[U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Mac Bhyat
Hi,
 
Has anyone had any experience with the open source mv database maverick.
What were your impressions, experiences etc.
 
I am evaluating it as an alternative to Universe, specifically looking at
converting our BASIC code to Java. Is this possible ?, or does maverick just
put a wrapper around by BASIC code so that it acts like a Java Class
 
Any information would be helpful
 
Thanks 
 
Mac Bhyat
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Re: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Martin Phillips

Hi Mac,

Apologies if this is partially a product advert but you did ask the 
question


As far as I know, Maverick has quietly died. I may be completely wrong.

Even though we have an open source version of our own OpenQM product, I 
would not recommend use of open source for a commercial development as it 
has no warranty or support. You could be dead in the water for a 
considerable time while trying to fix problems. This seems to be a difficult 
approach to sell to management.


Open source is fine for those who want to develop some nifty new feature 
that the product developers would never have thought of but for a fully 
supported business system you really need a commercial licence. Also, as is 
beginning to happen in OpenQM and probably applies to other products too, 
the more advanced features may not be in the open source.


From listening to users who have gone the open source route, I think that 
they often end up spending more getting the system up and running than they 
would have spent for a commercial licence.




I am evaluating it as an alternative to Universe, specifically looking at
converting our BASIC code to Java. Is this possible ?


Why would you want to do this? The very nature of both multivalue Basic and 
Java suggests that this will cost you heavily in performance. If there are 
things that you want to do that can only be done in Java, it should be 
possible to escape from Basic out into Java or the reverse.



Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems Ltd
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton, NN4 6DB
+44-(0)1604-709200
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RE: [U2] SB+ Output Redirection

2007-03-20 Thread Dave Davis
No, I've got that.  The documentation doesn't go into enough detail.

I want to mimic what SB+ is doing with output redirection by calling
OUTPUT.SELECT with the same parameters for each case, and then add my
own code for SB+ reports and queries.  I don't want untakeable options
for a report type to show up, which is what will happen if I just use
OUTPUT.SELECT,SBXDFHB for everything else, and I don't want to miss the
extra options some report types have.

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I think he's wanting a pointer to the online documentation.  Maybe?

BobW
 
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...I would like a comprehensive list of what options should be passed 
to OUTPUT.SELECT for each situation (for example, reports, queries, 
output from tool definitions).

Not following the question.  Could you elaborate please?
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RE: [U2] SB+ Output Redirection

2007-03-20 Thread Dave Davis
For example, when a PD.R process is called where output destination is
Ask, SB+ calls OUTPUT.SELECT,SBXDFHB.
When a PD.E process is called, OUTPUT.SELECT,SBXFGE1WB,SQ
When /XP is called, it looks like it's doing its own thing (untraceable)
When you run the print option from a screen definition to print out
the definition, that's another set of options.

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...I would like a comprehensive list of what options should be passed 
to OUTPUT.SELECT for each situation (for example, reports, queries, 
output from tool definitions).

Not following the question.  Could you elaborate please?
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RE: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread george r smith
I looked at Maverick along time ago. Yes it was written in Java but unless
my memory is totatly gone the datastore was one of the open-source databases
(MySQL ??).

I just could not grasp how his was a help - now you have not only Java to
worry about you have another database to hold your pick data.

Martin is correct in my opinion - one spends too much time in getting the
database to compile, to run etc - and you can not concentrate on
programming. If you have a commercial use a commercial database.

I am sure you are aware you can use Java with U2 products - get the
best of both words. Don't know about Martin's but I would bet he has a Java
interface also. I have friends that us QM and they love it.

good luck
grs

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 Subject: [U2] Maverick DBMS
 
 Hi,
 
 Has anyone had any experience with the open source mv database maverick.
 What were your impressions, experiences etc.
 
 I am evaluating it as an alternative to Universe, specifically looking at
 converting our BASIC code to Java. Is this possible ?, or does maverick
 just
 put a wrapper around by BASIC code so that it acts like a Java Class
 
 Any information would be helpful
 
 Thanks
 
 Mac Bhyat
 Software Engineer - Special Projects
 Unibase Solutions (Pty) Ltd.
 
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 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Charles Barouch

Mac,
If the goal is to Java program with mv data, you don't need to 
leave UniVerse. There are documented Java-accessible UniVerse connectors 
where you can keep the data in UniVerse and still do the bulk of the 
coding in Java. Look at UOJ (UniVerse Objects For Java) for a start.


- Chuck Java-Jolted Barouch

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[U2] UniObjects Issue

2007-03-20 Thread Chandrika Padaki
Is there anyone out there who can help me with an Unibjects issue I am
facing. We currently are working with Universe 9.6 and I am using
Uniobjects to retrieve the information. I have successfully used
ReadNamedField method to do that. We will be moving to Universe 10.1.17.
I am unable to use the ReadNamedField method available in the newer
releases of Uniobjects anymore. Are there any known issues or
whitepapers I can use. I have been searching the IBM site and have found
no reference to any change in functionality. Any help I can get will be
well appreciated. 

Thanks in advance.
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RE: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

2007-03-20 Thread Symeon Breen
Hi Sanjeeb - as Phil states these are simple questions - I think it worries
some people that you may be coding systems with little knowledge. This is
not just a programming language it is a whole DBMS and application
environment.

The answer to the -1 question is that it appends to the dynamic array.
However care must be taken as depending on type and setup of u2 system a
null value will not be appended.

The conversion code d2/ means the year is in 2 digits and that the date is /
delimited i.e. dd/mm/yy or mm/dd/yy depending on your DATE.FORMAT settings.

There are a whole host of conversion codes documented in the U2
documentation. As suggested, I would recommend some form of training as well
!

Regards
Symeon.


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Hi Sanjeeb,

If you have not already attended the base U2 training courses I would
suggest that you convince your employers to arrange for you to do so. To
be able to offer outsourcing to a company using U2 it is usually
necessary for the outsourcing companies staff to be conversant in the
environment. There are a couple of people on this list, most notably Ray
Wurlod and Brian Leach who offer training. As do IBM. Most of these
simple questions would be able to be answered in that forum and then you
would be able to fully support your clients.

Regards,

Phil

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Sarangi
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 6:01 a.m.
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

Hi,
 What does a negative index mean in an array .If LIST-1=ID is a
segment
of the code what does this -ve  number mean is it by default the first
element.

If we do a external conversion usng OCONV(sysdate,'D2/'),the D indicates
the date conversion specification but why is the 2/ being used
here...what
can be the change in the conversion?

Thanks
Sanjeeb
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RE: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

2007-03-20 Thread Allen E. Elwood
There is always the self taught method as well.  I read Jonathan Sisk's PICK
basic book 19 years ago and learn PICK while slaving for the man who would
*NOT* pay for me to convert my DG Business basic skills to PICK basic.

http://www.databasecorner.com/resource,1962.aspx

This is not an [AD], but a recommendation to Sanjeebkumar so he can get his
own answers and progress more rapidly.

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Hi Sanjeeb,

If you have not already attended the base U2 training courses I would
suggest that you convince your employers to arrange for you to do so. To
be able to offer outsourcing to a company using U2 it is usually
necessary for the outsourcing companies staff to be conversant in the
environment. There are a couple of people on this list, most notably Ray
Wurlod and Brian Leach who offer training. As do IBM. Most of these
simple questions would be able to be answered in that forum and then you
would be able to fully support your clients.

Regards,

Phil

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Sarangi
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 6:01 a.m.
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

Hi,
 What does a negative index mean in an array .If LIST-1=ID is a
segment
of the code what does this -ve  number mean is it by default the first
element.

If we do a external conversion usng OCONV(sysdate,'D2/'),the D indicates
the date conversion specification but why is the 2/ being used
here...what
can be the change in the conversion?

Thanks
Sanjeeb
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RE: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

2007-03-20 Thread Allen E. Elwood
p.s. oops sent the wrong linkdoh

And now I find the book is out of print

Hey, give me a break it's my 51st birthday, I'm signing off and going to the
back room to play some guitar.

http://jes.com/picklist.html

There are, however, some books that Jonathan mentions here:

http://jes.com/picklist.html
Breaking News!
While cleaning up our warehouse recently, we discovered a cache of some of
the titles below. This is a very rare (and final) chance to purchase copies
of these books long out of print in brand-new condition, optionally signed
by the author, if you desire.


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Hi Sanjeeb,

If you have not already attended the base U2 training courses I would
suggest that you convince your employers to arrange for you to do so. To
be able to offer outsourcing to a company using U2 it is usually
necessary for the outsourcing companies staff to be conversant in the
environment. There are a couple of people on this list, most notably Ray
Wurlod and Brian Leach who offer training. As do IBM. Most of these
simple questions would be able to be answered in that forum and then you
would be able to fully support your clients.

Regards,

Phil

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Sarangi
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 6:01 a.m.
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Subject: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

Hi,
 What does a negative index mean in an array .If LIST-1=ID is a
segment
of the code what does this -ve  number mean is it by default the first
element.

If we do a external conversion usng OCONV(sysdate,'D2/'),the D indicates
the date conversion specification but why is the 2/ being used
here...what
can be the change in the conversion?

Thanks
Sanjeeb
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RE: Spam:RE: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

2007-03-20 Thread leslie chamberlin
Happy Birthday!

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p.s. oops sent the wrong linkdoh

And now I find the book is out of print

Hey, give me a break it's my 51st birthday, I'm signing off and going to
the
back room to play some guitar.

http://jes.com/picklist.html

There are, however, some books that Jonathan mentions here:

http://jes.com/picklist.html
Breaking News!
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of
the titles below. This is a very rare (and final) chance to purchase
copies
of these books long out of print in brand-new condition, optionally
signed
by the author, if you desire.


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Hi Sanjeeb,

If you have not already attended the base U2 training courses I would
suggest that you convince your employers to arrange for you to do so. To
be able to offer outsourcing to a company using U2 it is usually
necessary for the outsourcing companies staff to be conversant in the
environment. There are a couple of people on this list, most notably Ray
Wurlod and Brian Leach who offer training. As do IBM. Most of these
simple questions would be able to be answered in that forum and then you
would be able to fully support your clients.

Regards,

Phil

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Sarangi
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2007 6:01 a.m.
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Subject: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

Hi,
 What does a negative index mean in an array .If LIST-1=ID is a
segment
of the code what does this -ve  number mean is it by default the first
element.

If we do a external conversion usng OCONV(sysdate,'D2/'),the D indicates
the date conversion specification but why is the 2/ being used
here...what
can be the change in the conversion?

Thanks
Sanjeeb
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RE: [U2] -ve INDEX,OCONV

2007-03-20 Thread James Canale, Jr.
I may be wrong but I don't think that Sanjeeb wants to learn anything more
than what is necessary to export data from a U2 system as part of a system
migration.  This is an effort to get off of a U2 system, not embrace it.


[snip]
Hi Sanjeeb - as Phil states these are simple questions - I think it worries
some people that you may be coding systems with little knowledge. This is
not just a programming language it is a whole DBMS and application
environment.
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Re: [U2] UniObjects Issue

2007-03-20 Thread Daniel
Hi Chandrika,
We've also experienced some issues with ReadNameField method on
Uniobjects for Java ( on Unidata 7.1)
The issue was that after executing the
method, when we called a subroutine , we got UniSubroutine Exception (Error
number 30102), almost every time we try.

We changed our way of getting named
fields by creating a subroutine on Unidata that made the work for us. I don't
know if maybe that problem with the ReadNameField method is the reason you
can't make it work.

Let me know if you get more lights on this problem
Daniel


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Subject: [U2] UniObjects Issue

Is there
anyone out there who can help me with an Unibjects issue I am
facing. We
currently are working with Universe 9.6 and I am using
Uniobjects to retrieve
the information. I have successfully used
ReadNamedField method to do that. We
will be moving to Universe 10.1.17.
I am unable to use the ReadNamedField
method available in the newer
releases of Uniobjects anymore. Are there any
known issues or
whitepapers I can use. I have been searching the IBM site and
have found
no reference to any change in functionality. Any help I can get
will be
well appreciated. 

Thanks in advance.
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RE: [U2] UniObjects Issue

2007-03-20 Thread Chandrika Padaki
Daniel,
I will, we are currently working with IBM on this issue. What version of 
Uniobjects are you working on?
Chandrika

 


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Hi Chandrika,
We've also experienced some issues with ReadNameField method on
Uniobjects for Java ( on Unidata 7.1)
The issue was that after executing the
method, when we called a subroutine , we got UniSubroutine Exception (Error
number 30102), almost every time we try.

We changed our way of getting named
fields by creating a subroutine on Unidata that made the work for us. I don't
know if maybe that problem with the ReadNameField method is the reason you
can't make it work.

Let me know if you get more lights on this problem
Daniel


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From: Chandrika Padaki
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Sent:
Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:23:02 AM
Subject: [U2] UniObjects Issue

Is there
anyone out there who can help me with an Unibjects issue I am
facing. We
currently are working with Universe 9.6 and I am using
Uniobjects to retrieve
the information. I have successfully used
ReadNamedField method to do that. We
will be moving to Universe 10.1.17.
I am unable to use the ReadNamedField
method available in the newer
releases of Uniobjects anymore. Are there any
known issues or
whitepapers I can use. I have been searching the IBM site and
have found
no reference to any change in functionality. Any help I can get
will be
well appreciated. 

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Robert Colquhoun

Hello Mac,

On 3/20/07, Mac Bhyat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Has anyone had any experience with the open source mv database maverick.
What were your impressions, experiences etc.


Yes some experience ;-)


I am evaluating it as an alternative to Universe, specifically looking at
converting our BASIC code to Java. Is this possible ?, or does maverick just
put a wrapper around by BASIC code so that it acts like a Java Class


The maverick basic compiler compiles basic into either java source
code or directly into java byte code(a class file).

Today compiling directly to bytecode is preferred method, the java
source code generator hasnt been as well maintained lately(my fault).
The resulting classfiles run in a JVM the same as any classfile
compiled from java source.  They are freely callable to and from java
routines.  Also the large body of third party java libraries can be
easily integrated with the basic code.

This is a list for u2 users, probably better to ask further questions
on the maverick-devel mailing list.

- Robert
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Re: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Robert Colquhoun

Hello,

On 3/21/07, george r smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I looked at Maverick along time ago. Yes it was written in Java but unless
my memory is totatly gone the datastore was one of the open-source databases
(MySQL ??).


Currently available(For the last 5 years at least): Berkeley DB,
Linear Hash(Same as ARev, very similar u2 dynamic files), DIR/Type 19,
MySql, Postgres and U2 via Uniobjects.


I just could not grasp how his was a help - now you have not only Java to
worry about you have another database to hold your pick data.


Without writing out a treatise, the idea was prevent your data from
being trapped within an obscure data format.  Managers hate that, they
know it implies paying ever increasing maintenance on the DB itself
and greater and greater difficulty and thus expense finding staff
competent in managing it.

- Robert
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Re: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Robert Colquhoun

Hello Martin,

On 3/20/07, Martin Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

As far as I know, Maverick has quietly died. I may be completely wrong.


Have been a bit slack adding new code lately but i am still breathing
at this moment!


Why would you want to do this? The very nature of both multivalue Basic and
Java suggests that this will cost you heavily in performance.


Just for reference have worked really hard on the basic programs
runtime library to get the performance close to the commercial mv
variants.  From actually doing it there is really *no* significant
penalty in executing your basic code in a JVM(which is JIT compiled)
relative to the homespun VM's in other mv platforms or the C
translated code jbase produces.

The problems have all being due to the library implementation(ie wrong
algorithm chosen) not the actual underlying platform.

For example last week the debate over using -1 vs X++ type
addressing runs pretty much the same under maverick, you can use
either without penalty.

- Robert
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RE: [U2] Maverick DBMS

2007-03-20 Thread Ross Ferris
Martin,

I believe MaVerick is still alive  kicking (Robert Colquhoun has just
released a stack of fixes/changes in the past week)

Also, reading between the lines of the OP, I think the interest was more
in terms of converting Basic Code to Java, rather than necessarily
looking for a DBMS replacement (could be totally wrong - that would mean
twice in the last 5 minutes :-)

Have you mentioned the fact that you can now run QM on a PDA on this
forum? May be a few problems in this group that this solution could be
applied to :-)



Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage  Better by Design!

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Hi Mac,

As far as I know, Maverick has quietly died. I may be completely wrong.
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RE: [U2] Universe/UniObjects and Visual Studio

2007-03-20 Thread Mike Pflugfelder
I downloaded the tutorial and I like it so far but it seems to refer to the 
Wychwood Audio Books demonstration database.  Where could I find this 
database?  I can't seem to find it on www.mvopen.org/cms.

Thanks,
-Mike

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:42 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Universe/UniObjects and Visual Studio

Anthony

there is a tutorial on using UniObjects with VB Express on the U2UG Knowledge 
Base.

Check out : www.mvopen.org/cms and click the Knowledge Base link.

Regards,

Brian

Hi guys,

I am messing with Visual Basic Express edition.  I was hoping to use
UniObjects against my Universe Database.  The examples in the UniObjects
Developers Guide are a little outdated.  How do I get the UniObjects to
appear in the toolbar (if you can do this) ? They refer to Sub
Form_Load, which I have seen in older versions of VB, but not VB 2005.
Basically what I am looking for is a 'quick fix' for the 5 minute
program example in the Developers Guide that has already taken me beyond
that time frame.

Thanks
Anthony

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