Re: [U2] Time Travel
For the group's edification, at sending out 60,000+ e-mails on some days (more than that when people had nothing better to do at work than flame each other about coding styles), this was one of the problems I had when I hosted the lists. Larry is also being polite and not mentioning that he is footing the bill for this service and bandwidth. So when some people start in on "this needs to be corrected," "the list has to be faster," and so forth, I would suggest you "show him the money." Not meaning to put words in your mouth, Larry. Most of us really (really, really!) appreciate your donation of time and money in support of these lists. Clif.button.push() On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote: b) I don't want to be blacklisted as a spammer. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers?
Be sure to make that one parameter "*some.subroutine". The subroutine needs to be UV globally cataloged, even if you are running in a Pick flavor account. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Nov 26, 2007, at 10:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try this: CREATE TRIGGER filename.trigger BEFORE INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON filename FOR EACH ROW CALLING "some.subroutine"; Note the semi-colon at the end (;). It is very important. Regards, Raul. "Keith Johnson (DSLWN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To o.nz> Sent by: cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] stserver.u2ug.org Subject [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers? 11/27/07 12:20 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Hi, I'm hoping someone can give me some help on triggers. I want to put a trigger on a file to datestamp address changes. The system manual (25119270.pdf) says that triggers aer set up by the command CREATE TRIGGER trigger.name [BEFORE|AFTER|UPDATE] But when I try that I get an SQL prompt. We don't use SQL at all - is there some way of setting up triggers without it? Is there another manual I should look at? Thanks, Keith. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers?
Try this: CREATE TRIGGER filename.trigger BEFORE INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON filename FOR EACH ROW CALLING "some.subroutine"; Note the semi-colon at the end (;). It is very important. Regards, Raul. "Keith Johnson (DSLWN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To o.nz> Sent by: cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] stserver.u2ug.org Subject [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers? 11/27/07 12:20 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Hi, I'm hoping someone can give me some help on triggers. I want to put a trigger on a file to datestamp address changes. The system manual (25119270.pdf) says that triggers aer set up by the command CREATE TRIGGER trigger.name [BEFORE|AFTER|UPDATE] But when I try that I get an SQL prompt. We don't use SQL at all - is there some way of setting up triggers without it? Is there another manual I should look at? Thanks, Keith. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers?
Keith SQL requires a ";" (semi-colon) character along with a 'carriage return' character to signify the end of the command input. There is no other way of creating or managing SQL triggers. Triggers require care in their design, so as not to impair your system performance. Forgetting to setting and release locks is a big no-no and isn't tolerated by a trigger. UV comes with a lot of UV/SQL documents: you need to read/study them a bit beforehand (or simply ask questions on this forum), at least review the "SQL User Guide" familarise yourself with the basics. "SQL Reference Guide" as all the info on trigger setup. Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson (DSLWN) Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers? Hi, I'm hoping someone can give me some help on triggers. I want to put a trigger on a file to datestamp address changes. The system manual (25119270.pdf) says that triggers aer set up by the command CREATE TRIGGER trigger.name [BEFORE|AFTER|UPDATE] But when I try that I get an SQL prompt. We don't use SQL at all - is there some way of setting up triggers without it? Is there another manual I should look at? Thanks, Keith. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers?
Yes. See Chapter 5 of the UV 10.2 SQL Reference. That's the documentation that works. Unfortunately, the triggers documentation in the non-SQL portions of the manuals is incorrect, and had been for some time. [AD] Watch for the next issue of International Spectrum magazine. Brian Leach has a good article on UniVerse file triggers in it. Also, International Spectrum is putting together a webinar on this topic. I'll announce it on this list when we have a schedule set. [/AD] -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Nov 26, 2007, at 8:38 PM, Keith Johnson (DSLWN) wrote: Hi, I'm hoping someone can give me some help on triggers. I want to put a trigger on a file to datestamp address changes. The system manual (25119270.pdf) says that triggers aer set up by the command CREATE TRIGGER trigger.name [BEFORE|AFTER|UPDATE] But when I try that I get an SQL prompt. We don't use SQL at all - is there some way of setting up triggers without it? Is there another manual I should look at? Thanks, Keith. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
No config changes necessary. Here's the skinny: The list is hosted on a shared server with other client websites. In order to ensure that everyone gets fair access to the SMTP server (and our clients' email delivery doesn't suffer), majordomo is throttled back to only allow a certain number of child processes to execute simultaneously. I don't WANT thousands of emails per minute going out because a) it's an unnecessary burden on the server; and b) I don't want to be blacklisted as a spammer. Add to this the fact that EVERY incoming and outgoing email on the server is scanned for virii, spam and other malware, and every incoming email to the lists are "demimed" and the delays are easily accounted for. Outgoing majordomo mail is sent with "list" priority (as opposed to bulk or first class), so busy mail servers may further delay processing of email from the lists. Majordomo's lists are also kept in alphabetical order, so if your email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], you can expect to receive your emails sooner than [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps. Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Time Travel Karl, Maybe you and Larry should talk. Perhaps we need some sort of config correction? - Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice > numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life > experience with my own majordomo server... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [UV] Can I get some advice on triggers?
Hi, I'm hoping someone can give me some help on triggers. I want to put a trigger on a file to datestamp address changes. The system manual (25119270.pdf) says that triggers aer set up by the command CREATE TRIGGER trigger.name [BEFORE|AFTER|UPDATE] But when I try that I get an SQL prompt. We don't use SQL at all - is there some way of setting up triggers without it? Is there another manual I should look at? Thanks, Keith. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] URGENT: BCI driver configuration / column binding issues
HP have a white page on migration... From PA-RISC to Itanium-based architectures http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/download/files/unprot/hpux/5981-7108en. pdf It basically says PA-RISC complied applications should work on Itanium-based platforms (but not necessarily always so). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Beahm Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:09 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] URGENT: BCI driver configuration / column binding issues We are upgrading from an HP-UX 64 bit PA-RISC server running UD 7.1 to an HP-UX 64-bit Itanium server, and are having serious issues with BCI. We use Easysoft ODBC-ODBC bridge, however we can connect properly and do not believe that is the problem. Specifically, I can CONNECT successfully, however when I type "exec sp_databases ;" (or anything else that returns data) and press enter, I get into trouble. Originally, we were getting SqlBindCol messages in place of data; I believe someone re-linked the libraries and restarted UD, and now we get column headers for DATABASE_NAME, DATABASE_SIZE, and REMARKS, followed by 21 blank rows, followed by "21 rows selected". Please let me know how we can troubleshoot this issue. It appears to be that the SQL Server drivers are not working correctly, but I did not set them up on the old server, and do not know what to do on the new one. Regards, David Beahm --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
Karl, Maybe you and Larry should talk. Perhaps we need some sort of config correction? - Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Good Practice?
Craig Bennett pointerd out that TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' IF INDEX(TEST,'\':F200.SCHEME.CODE:'\',1) THEN THAT = @FALSE *can* generate a false positive if F200.SCHEME.CODE contains an embedded slash. In this case it can't, because the F200.SCHEME.CODE is validated on entry against a list of codes (whew!) The super long string I started with is from a program to decide whether or not to show something on a printout. I suppose I could quibble and say it is actually a true positive... but no, Craig got me proper. My bad. However, this brings up a good practice thing to note. The seperator must not be 'enterable'. So that makes INPUT a bad idea. If you want to try out an alternative, I just put http://www.pickwiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=edit&id=GetKey up on the wiki. My problem was that the Asus eeePC does not seem to be a proper xterm, so I reproduced most of the functionality of QM's keycode() input. === Looking back, I feel I may have defended the INDEX function more than I wanted. My own code generally looks like this ENDWORDS = 'IF\OPEN\OPENSEQ\READNEXT\READ\READU\READV\READVU\' ENDWORDS = ENDWORDS:'MATREAD\MATREADU\LOCATE' CONVERT '\' TO AM IN ENDWORDS and I use the classic form LOCATE(WORD,ENDWORDS;POSN) THEN Regards, Keith PS: The extra line is solely to prevent wrapping on an eighty-column terminal. I value my concept of readability above efficiency. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Scott: I'm not sure what you mean. I usually get an email I post in about 10 minutes. Bill >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott >Ballinger >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:24 PM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: Re: [U2] Time Travel > >I have always presumed that *everyone* was subject to >typically-at-least-one-hour delay. Is there anyone out there that gets >emails from this list in near real time ? If so, what are you doing >differently from the rest of us? > >/Scott Ballinger >Pareto Corporation >Edmonds WA USA >206 713 6006 > >On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Perry Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I also experience the "hour or so" response time getting emails from >> this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. >> >> Perry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Good Practice?
Keith said: >> Then, to avoid the long setup string, one has to use CONVERT (or SWAP or CHANGE). You can always hard-code value-marks: TEST = "AF1}CK1}CK2}H}LHC}MP}NU1}NU2}TK1}TK2" Adrian DISCLAIMER: Disclaimer. This e-mail is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise us by return e-mail immediately, and delete the e-mail and any attachments without using or disclosing the contents in any way. The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the author, and do not represent those of this company unless this is clearly indicated. You should scan this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. This company accepts no liability for any direct or indirect damage or loss resulting from the use of any attachments to this e-mail. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Good Practice?
First, the value of F200.SCHEME.CODE of CK *cannot* trigger a false positive. TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' IF INDEX(TEST,'\':F200.SCHEME.CODE:'\',1) THEN THAT = @FALSE If can if F200.SCHEME.CODE contains an embedded slash eg: F200.SCHEME.CODE = "AF1\CK1" --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Good Practice?
Hi Mark, Just a couple of points. First, the value of F200.SCHEME.CODE of CK *cannot* trigger a false positive. TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' IF INDEX(TEST,'\':F200.SCHEME.CODE:'\',1) THEN THAT = @FALSE is fairly bulletproof because of the backslashes around both the string and the substring. Second, I wasn't concerned about LOCATE adding a cycle or two. It's just that one has to provide the SETTING variable which is then ignored. INDEX involves a string, a substring, and a start count - there's virtually nothing redundant. Using LOCATE involves a string, a substring, the position found as well as (possibly) a start position and a search sequence; so it can be regarded as a more complex function. Also, one can choose from three forms of LOCATE - Pick, Ideal/Reality, or Information. Then, to avoid the long setup string, one has to use CONVERT (or SWAP or CHANGE). Regards, Keith PS Good surname - mine's Norwegian in origin... great grandad jumped ship in Auckland. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Let me rephrase that. I donated the funds for the domain name and registered it. U2UG owns the domain in whole. I love whois..I should have paid for that privacy thingie too. Donald Verhagen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Chief Information Officer - Tandem Voice: 561.226.8261 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel > > I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... > > I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' > system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our > groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due > respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We > often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is > an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and > running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back > within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes > takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to > one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. > > Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group > server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it > so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your > server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, > juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. > > My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically > explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own > majordomo server... > > I don't know why, they just aren't the same. > > Karl > > > > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > > lists ;) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > > > -- > Karl Pearson > Director of I.T. > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.atsindustrial.com > 800-789-9300 x29 > Local: 801-978-4429 > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I own the domain. It's not hosted by myself here in the frigid 82F degree winter. Donald Verhagen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Chief Information Officer - Tandem Voice: 561.226.8261 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel > > I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... > > I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' > system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our > groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due > respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We > often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is > an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and > running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back > within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes > takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to > one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. > > Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group > server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it > so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your > server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, > juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. > > My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically > explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own > majordomo server... > > I don't know why, they just aren't the same. > > Karl > > > > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > > lists ;) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > > > -- > Karl Pearson > Director of I.T. > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.atsindustrial.com > 800-789-9300 x29 > Local: 801-978-4429 > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Wintegrate scripts
There is at least one (rather large) wIntegrate tech manual at the IBM U2 Family website. Consider printing the manual. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Larson, Eydie Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:10 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Wintegrate scripts Hello! I am trying to find out if something is possible, and if it is, how to write the script. I want to have an end user press a function key and have that function key run a Wintegrate script that prompts the user for 3 different options. I think this needs to be done using a dialogue box, but I'm not sure. I have never created a dialogue box. I know how to attach a script to a function key. Once the user responds to the 3 different options, I either need to launch Notepad, or an application screen. I also need to capture @LOGNAME from the Wintegrate session. I know I can save and then restore the end user's original Wintegrate session. Any direction that anyone can give me would be MUCH appreciated! Eydie Larson Vice President of Application Development Modular Information Systems 925.244.5930 ext 207 www.miscorp.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice
"Good" code. What (TF) is that and how does that relate to a statements inclusion in a manual or not? Explain yourself and - the rules for you are - don't peek in a dictionary or use an electronic grammar or spell checker. ;-) Stuart Boydell >-Original Message- >> Yeah - I remember thinking on some of those conversion questions that I >> did not really know what they did - when it comes to strange or complex >> conversions like that I just get the manual out. It is certainly not >> something one does every day. >Exactly the point I was making - if something you've written requires the >next person to get the manual out to understand it then it's not good code, >regardless of whether it's more efficient or not. Just because you *can* do >it doesn't mean you *should* do it! ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
On Nov 26, 2007 3:29 PM, Ron White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The header for this message from Ross shows it was received by the > listserver at 14:11:15 Pacific Standard Time (usa) and then received by > my mailserver at 17:03:25 Central Standard Time (usa). So subtract 2 > hours and it took about 52 minutes. It was virus scanned by AngelicHost > and my internal mailserver before delivery. Maybe the scans are adding > excess wait time to the process. What's also interesting in the headers is it seems the list host server time is off. your outbound server accepts your message to send: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:29:32 -0600 list server picks it up from your server: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:49:42 -0800 So, in fact, there is time travel involved! (And, yes, I see the time zone difference.) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Wintegrate scripts
Hello! I am trying to find out if something is possible, and if it is, how to write the script. I want to have an end user press a function key and have that function key run a Wintegrate script that prompts the user for 3 different options. I think this needs to be done using a dialogue box, but I'm not sure. I have never created a dialogue box. I know how to attach a script to a function key. Once the user responds to the 3 different options, I either need to launch Notepad, or an application screen. I also need to capture @LOGNAME from the Wintegrate session. I know I can save and then restore the end user's original Wintegrate session. Any direction that anyone can give me would be MUCH appreciated! Eydie Larson Vice President of Application Development Modular Information Systems 925.244.5930 ext 207 www.miscorp.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
The header for this message from Ross shows it was received by the listserver at 14:11:15 Pacific Standard Time (usa) and then received by my mailserver at 17:03:25 Central Standard Time (usa). So subtract 2 hours and it took about 52 minutes. It was virus scanned by AngelicHost and my internal mailserver before delivery. Maybe the scans are adding excess wait time to the process. Ron White Ross Ferris wrote: C'mmon Jerry ... what have you got against Australians and besides, if it WAS located on this side of the Pacific Ditch, based on current performance, you would see DAYS between posts, because it typically takes an hour or two before I see posts too Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage > Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Good Practice?
Again, your response is out of sequence as so is mine. I see the back slashes today but replied yesterday. Maybe the forum is a better idea. Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [U2] Good Practice? > In the case he used it will not show a false positive because he > enclosed the F200.SCHEME.CODE in "\". > > > -Original Message- > > From: MAJ Programming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:03 PM > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: Re: [U2] Good Practice? > > > > I find this kind of evolved junk a lot. There's one caveat that you > should > > include: > > > > TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' > > CONVERT "\" TO CHAR(254) IN TEST > > LOCATE F200.SCHEME.CODE IN TEST SETTING FOUND THEN ELSE > > > > While actual mileage may differ, when having a lookup table and using > INDEX, > > the value of F200.SCHEME.CODE of CK will trigger a false positive. > > > > I like to boil down complex boolean expressions into readable words as > well. > > Somehow causes clarity, especially with very verbose variable names. > > > > MJ > > - Original Message - > > From: "Keith Johnson (DSLWN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:52 PM > > Subject: [U2] Good Practice? > > > > > > > Here's an example of how I rewrote some code. > > > > > > Old version > > > 284: * IF F200.SCHEME.CODE = "CK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = > "CK2" > > > OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU2" OR > > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "TK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "TK2" OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE > > > = "GS1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "JM" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "MP3" OR > > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "LHC" OR F200.CALC.CODE = "H" OR > > F500.S91.ANNUITY.SEQ > > > + 0 >= 2 OR F500.S48.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 >= 2 OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = > "AF1" > > OR > > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "MP" THEN; *002 > > > 285: IF F200.SCHEME.CODE = "CK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = > "CK2" OR > > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU2" OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE > > > = "TK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "TK2" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "LHC" OR > > > F200.CALC.CODE = "H" OR F500.S91.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 >= 2 OR > > > F500.S48.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 >= 2 OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "MP" OR > > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "AF1" THEN ; *002*003 > > > > > > New version > > > 261: THAT = @TRUE > > > 262: *TEST = > > '\AF1\CK1\CK2\GS1\H\JM\LHC\MP\MP3\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' > > > 263: TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' > > > 264: IF INDEX(TEST,'\':F200.SCHEME.CODE:'\',1) THEN THAT = > > > @FALSE > > > 265: > > > 266: IF F500.S91.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 GE 2 THEN THAT = @FALSE > > > 267: IF F500.S48.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 GE 2 THEN THAT = @FALSE > > > > > > I think the new version is easier to maintain (well I would say > that), > > > but the code itself is more complex; which is rather interesting. > > > > > > > > > Regards, Keith > > > --- > > > u2-users mailing list > > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
C'mmon Jerry ... what have you got against Australians and besides, if it WAS located on this side of the Pacific Ditch, based on current performance, you would see DAYS between posts, because it typically takes an hour or two before I see posts too Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage > Better by Design! >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker >Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:33 AM >To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel > >I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I >looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald >Verhagen!? > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM >> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel >> >> I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... >> >> I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my >'home' >> system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. >Our >> groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all >due >> respect, there's something different happening that's causing the >lags. We >> often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, >which is >> an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and >> running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails >back >> within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it >sometimes >> takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email >to >> one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. >> >> Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email >group >> server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I >did it >> so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from >your >> server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, >> juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. >> >> My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice >numerically >> explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my >own >> majordomo server... >> >> I don't know why, they just aren't the same. >> >> Karl >> >> >> > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about >email >> > lists ;) >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator >> > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 >> > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > Subject: [U2] Time Travel >> > >> > To fix this problem, you'd have to >> > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes >mail. >> > >> > - Charles Barouch, Moderator >> > --- >> > u2-users mailing list >> > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ >> > --- >> > u2-users mailing list >> > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ >> > >> >> >> -- >> Karl Pearson >> Director of I.T. >> ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.atsindustrial.com >> 800-789-9300 x29 >> Local: 801-978-4429 >> Fax: 801-972-3888 >> >> "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; >> to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." >> --- >> u2-users mailing list >> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ >--- >u2-users mailing list >u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
I thought it depended on whether you were near the beginning or the end of the recipient list. Under my former e-mail address (imported from Clif's server), the turnaround was about 30 minutes. When the company changed our addresses, turnaround became an hour or so, which I presumed was because the new address was appended to the end of the recipient list. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/26/07 4:23 PM >>> I have always presumed that *everyone* was subject to typically-at-least-one-hour delay. Is there anyone out there that gets emails from this list in near real time ? If so, what are you doing differently from the rest of us? /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Perry Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also experience the "hour or so" response time getting emails from > this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. > > Perry > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:56 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel > > I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... > > I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my > 'home' > system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. > Our > groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all > due > respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. > We > often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which > is > an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and > running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back > within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it > sometimes > takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to > one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. > > Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group > server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did > it > so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from > your > server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, > juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. > > My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically > explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my > own > majordomo server... > > I don't know why, they just aren't the same. > > Karl > > > > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > > lists ;) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > > > -- > Karl Pearson > Director of I.T. > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.atsindustrial.com > 800-789-9300 x29 > Local: 801-978-4429 > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the > content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, > any communications containing such material will be returned to the > originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of the original message. > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTE
Re: [U2] Time Travel
I have always presumed that *everyone* was subject to typically-at-least-one-hour delay. Is there anyone out there that gets emails from this list in near real time ? If so, what are you doing differently from the rest of us? /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Perry Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also experience the "hour or so" response time getting emails from > this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. > > Perry > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:56 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel > > I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... > > I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my > 'home' > system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. > Our > groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all > due > respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. > We > often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which > is > an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and > running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back > within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it > sometimes > takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to > one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. > > Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group > server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did > it > so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from > your > server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, > juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. > > My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically > explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my > own > majordomo server... > > I don't know why, they just aren't the same. > > Karl > > > > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > > lists ;) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > > > -- > Karl Pearson > Director of I.T. > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.atsindustrial.com > 800-789-9300 x29 > Local: 801-978-4429 > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the > content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, > any communications containing such material will be returned to the > originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of the original message. > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Cool stuff for a Friday [not-secure]
Who, me? ;-) On Nov 26, 2007, at 5:43 AM, Hennessey, Mark F. wrote: Cliff - I'm willing to bet you do it because you CAN. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I also experience the "hour or so" response time getting emails from this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > lists ;) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel > > I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... > > I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' > system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our > groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due > respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We > often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is > an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and > running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back > within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes > takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to > one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. > > Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group > server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it > so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your > server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, > juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. > > My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically > explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own > majordomo server... > > I don't know why, they just aren't the same. > > Karl > > > > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > > lists ;) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > > > -- > Karl Pearson > Director of I.T. > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.atsindustrial.com > 800-789-9300 x29 > Local: 801-978-4429 > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl > Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email > lists ;) > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator > Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: [U2] Time Travel > > To fix this problem, you'd have to > redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. > > - Charles Barouch, Moderator > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UniData and separate email server
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sharcott > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:36 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: [U2] UniData and separate email server > > Here's the problem. We are expanding our communications system. Our > UniData is expected to be sending email to our clients and the volume > will grow as we take greater advantage of this feature. > > How do I off-load the emailing functions to a separate server? We > realize the DB will be creating the correspondence but we'd like to not > bog the system by sending email locally. It would be nice to move that > part of the process to a separate server and leave as much processing > power with the DB as possible. Not to mention its just outright bad to > expose the DB to the outside by allowing it to be a mail server on top > of regular business. > > Ideas? > > > Ron Sharcott (3635) This is normally handled by way of a transport mechanism. LMTP is an example protocol, but SMTP can also be used to "relay" mail from one MTA to another within the same domain for external delivery. This is very easy to configure with the Postfix MTA. If you can provide the O/S and mail server software that you are using, then it might be possible to come up with a solution. Glen Batchelor IT Director All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor
correct. If you don't have Recoverable File System (RFS) enabled, there are no archive/undo/redo logs for UniData. Of course - virtually all UniData data file i/o is essentially random i/o. You should tune your disk subsystem to accomodate this. Wally Terhune SWG Client Support - Information Management Software U2 Support Architect b IBM U2 Client Support Team 4700 S. Syracuse St., Denver, CO 80237 Tel: (303) 773-7969 T/L 656-7969 Mobile: (303) 807-6222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffrey Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED] e.edu> To Sent by: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc stserver.u2ug.org Subject [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor 11/26/2007 07:01 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org We've been having performance problems as of late which have been tracked down to disk IO. When I was talking with our hardware vendor, he had one of his Sun techs with him where we had the following exchange: Sun tech: Because of the inherent difference of random and sequential you want to ensure your archive/redo logs are on a different mount then your database files. Me: Oh - we're not on Oracle. Sun tech: Whatever the database, you've got archive/redo logs. If we're not using RFS, can someone confirm that Unidata really doesn't have archive/redo logs - or am I just clueless. I've been wrong before... -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-559-5556 "That's why you have two ears and one mouth - use them accordingly." Mike Golic --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 0C982879.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of graycol.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of pic18059.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of ecblank.gif] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor
We have a similar scenario on UV/AIX. Our unix tech was actually a bit more detailed. They're talking about the unix filesystem logs - in our case, JFS/JFS2 logs. If they're isolated to a different logical partition, the system is a little more efficient. I'm not sure if that applies to your system or not, but it sounds like the same 'tech suggestion'. Hope this helps! Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Butera Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:02 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor We've been having performance problems as of late which have been tracked down to disk IO. When I was talking with our hardware vendor, he had one of his Sun techs with him where we had the following exchange: Sun tech: Because of the inherent difference of random and sequential you want to ensure your archive/redo logs are on a different mount then your database files. Me: Oh - we're not on Oracle. Sun tech: Whatever the database, you've got archive/redo logs. If we're not using RFS, can someone confirm that Unidata really doesn't have archive/redo logs - or am I just clueless. I've been wrong before... -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-559-5556 "That's why you have two ears and one mouth - use them accordingly." Mike Golic --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material not intended for Public use. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete the material from any and all computers or devices. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor
Unless you are running RFS, no, there are not any. However if you are they should be on a separate mount. Some may think you need them but from my experience the database is so robust it has never been necessary. Of course I've never run the database on MS. Jerry > -Original Message- > From: Jeffrey Butera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:02 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor > > We've been having performance problems as of late which have been tracked down > to disk IO. When I was talking with our hardware vendor, he had one of his > Sun techs with him where we had the following exchange: > > Sun tech: Because of the inherent difference of random and sequential you want > to ensure your archive/redo logs are on a different mount then your database > files. > > Me: Oh - we're not on Oracle. > > Sun tech: Whatever the database, you've got archive/redo logs. > > If we're not using RFS, can someone confirm that Unidata really doesn't have > archive/redo logs - or am I just clueless. I've been wrong before... > > -- > Jeff Butera, Ph.D. > Administrative Systems > Hampshire College > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 413-559-5556 > > "That's why you have two ears and one mouth - >use them accordingly." Mike Golic > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
SV: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor
Never heard of any other logs than RFS. (The Sun tech lives in the new millenium.) Bad thing that RFS isn't mandatory when installing Unidata. Bjvrn Eklund -Ursprungligt meddelande- Fren: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffrey Butera Skickat: den 26 november 2007 15:02 Till: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Dmne: [U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor We've been having performance problems as of late which have been tracked down to disk IO. When I was talking with our hardware vendor, he had one of his Sun techs with him where we had the following exchange: Sun tech: Because of the inherent difference of random and sequential you want to ensure your archive/redo logs are on a different mount then your database files. Me: Oh - we're not on Oracle. Sun tech: Whatever the database, you've got archive/redo logs. If we're not using RFS, can someone confirm that Unidata really doesn't have archive/redo logs - or am I just clueless. I've been wrong before... -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-559-5556 "That's why you have two ears and one mouth - use them accordingly." Mike Golic --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] U2 Silliness from a vendor
We've been having performance problems as of late which have been tracked down to disk IO. When I was talking with our hardware vendor, he had one of his Sun techs with him where we had the following exchange: Sun tech: Because of the inherent difference of random and sequential you want to ensure your archive/redo logs are on a different mount then your database files. Me: Oh - we're not on Oracle. Sun tech: Whatever the database, you've got archive/redo logs. If we're not using RFS, can someone confirm that Unidata really doesn't have archive/redo logs - or am I just clueless. I've been wrong before... -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-559-5556 "That's why you have two ears and one mouth - use them accordingly." Mike Golic --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Good Practice?
I agree with the LOCATE and would also make the string of codes to be checked an item in a control file. That way the codes can change without modifying the program. Keith Johnson (DSLWN) wrote: > Neil suggested using LOCATE rather than INDEX in my example. > > [SNIP] > > TEST = > 'AF1':@AM:'CK1':@AM:'CK2':@AM:'GS1':@AM:'H':@AM:'JM':@AM:'LHC':@AM:'MP': > @AM:'MP3':@AM:'NU1':@AM:'NU2':@AM:'TK1':@AM:'TK2' > [SNIP AGAIN] > -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jeff at schasny dot com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Cool stuff for a Friday [not-secure]
Being a Unix dude, I open a local terminal and use command line at times--not that I have to. I just prefer a Road Less Pixeled for some things. All in all, I'm a fan. I'd be hard-pressed to switch back to Windows as a full-time system. Cliff - I'm willing to bet you do it because you CAN. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice
Surely getting the manual out to look up an obscure oconv is reasonable, and putting it in their not bad coding, it takes 20 seconds to look it up !! - I presume you guys donbt program in .net or java etc where looking up the help of some object you have never used before happens quite a lot - well there are thousands of them -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Jennings Sent: 26 November 2007 10:23 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice > Yeah - I remember thinking on some of those conversion questions that I > did not really know what they did - when it comes to strange or complex > conversions like that I just get the manual out. It is certainly not > something one does every day. > > > Symeon. Exactly the point I was making - if something you've written requires the next person to get the manual out to understand it then it's not good code, regardless of whether it's more efficient or not. Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should* do it! Col. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Good Practice?
In the case he used it will not show a false positive because he enclosed the F200.SCHEME.CODE in "\". > -Original Message- > From: MAJ Programming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 10:03 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] Good Practice? > > I find this kind of evolved junk a lot. There's one caveat that you should > include: > > TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' > CONVERT "\" TO CHAR(254) IN TEST > LOCATE F200.SCHEME.CODE IN TEST SETTING FOUND THEN ELSE > > While actual mileage may differ, when having a lookup table and using INDEX, > the value of F200.SCHEME.CODE of CK will trigger a false positive. > > I like to boil down complex boolean expressions into readable words as well. > Somehow causes clarity, especially with very verbose variable names. > > MJ > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Johnson (DSLWN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:52 PM > Subject: [U2] Good Practice? > > > > Here's an example of how I rewrote some code. > > > > Old version > > 284: * IF F200.SCHEME.CODE = "CK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "CK2" > > OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU2" OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "TK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "TK2" OR > F200.SCHEME.CODE > > = "GS1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "JM" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "MP3" OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "LHC" OR F200.CALC.CODE = "H" OR > F500.S91.ANNUITY.SEQ > > + 0 >= 2 OR F500.S48.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 >= 2 OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "AF1" > OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "MP" THEN; *002 > > 285: IF F200.SCHEME.CODE = "CK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "CK2" OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "NU2" OR > F200.SCHEME.CODE > > = "TK1" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "TK2" OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "LHC" OR > > F200.CALC.CODE = "H" OR F500.S91.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 >= 2 OR > > F500.S48.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 >= 2 OR F200.SCHEME.CODE = "MP" OR > > F200.SCHEME.CODE = "AF1" THEN ; *002*003 > > > > New version > > 261: THAT = @TRUE > > 262: *TEST = > '\AF1\CK1\CK2\GS1\H\JM\LHC\MP\MP3\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' > > 263: TEST = '\AF1\CK1\CK2\H\LHC\MP\NU1\NU2\TK1\TK2\' > > 264: IF INDEX(TEST,'\':F200.SCHEME.CODE:'\',1) THEN THAT = > > @FALSE > > 265: > > 266: IF F500.S91.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 GE 2 THEN THAT = @FALSE > > 267: IF F500.S48.ANNUITY.SEQ + 0 GE 2 THEN THAT = @FALSE > > > > I think the new version is easier to maintain (well I would say that), > > but the code itself is more complex; which is rather interesting. > > > > > > Regards, Keith > > --- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice
Yeah - I remember thinking on some of those conversion questions that I did not really know what they did - when it comes to strange or complex conversions like that I just get the manual out. It is certainly not something one does every day. Symeon. Exactly the point I was making - if something you've written requires the next person to get the manual out to understand it then it's not good code, regardless of whether it's more efficient or not. Just because you *can* do it doesn't mean you *should* do it! Col. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice
Yeah - I remember thinking on some of those conversion questions that I did not really know what they did - when it comes to strange or complex conversions like that I just get the manual out. It is certainly not something one does every day. Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: 23 November 2007 16:18 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice I felt the same way with that part of the test. I have never seen a need for some of the conversion codes described because there is usually something less obscure and more descriptive (English like) that can be used. Now for some programmers the formats and conversions in the test may be used but I have worked for companies in manufacturing, education, banking, and accounting and some of the conversions in the test I would never and have never used. Jerry > -Original Message- > From: Colin Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:01 AM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: RE: [U2] OCONV Extraction Question - Good Practice > > > Go to http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/tests/test_index_bd.shtml#0 > > > > If you look down the page you will see the list of certifications IBM > > has available for U2, just under the Informix certifications, there are > > 6, 5 for UniData and UniVerse Administration and 1 for U2 Family > > Application Development. The certification testing was free if you > > attended one of the U2 Universities and took the tests there. > > > > > > Brenda Price > > > I did the exams at the recent U2U in London and I have to say that the > conversions contained in the Family Application Development test were some > of the worst examples of code I have ever seen. Obviously they're possible, > but I think I'd consider sacking any programmer that used them!! > > Colin. > (well and truly certified) > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
