Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two cents. There is a fundamental choice, if the group wants and expects any support from Rocket then it needs to be a U2 group. If the group wants to embrace a wider audience/membership then it needs to be an MV group and have no greater expectation of support from Rocket than from any other supplier. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote in message news:9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net... Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Oh yeah! Right! But not commonly considered when thinking of second person pronouns. It's more of a person-irrelevant pronoun (it can be used to include ones-self - there it is, again!) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Callacher Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote in message news:9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net... Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
That's not English, it's Texan. On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 11:35 +, Brett Callacher wrote: Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote in message news:9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net... Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Ben Souther Manager, Web and Web Service Development bsout...@fwdco.com | 508.927.8147 FWDavison Company, Inc. 10 Cordage Park Circle, Suite 200 Plymouth, MA 02360-7318 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, and any accompanying documents, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution or copying is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact our office by e-mail or by telephone at (508) 747-7261 and immediately destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 3:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Here's twelve hundred and thirty google pages, to tell you who I am http://www.google.com/search?hl=q=fft2001%40aol.com The focus on money is not pointless. Here's an idea (which costs money), send a postcard to EVERY person on Rocket's tickler file. And when I say every, I do mean every, saying Please join U2UG and we'll send you a free skateboard... or whatever. I got a skateboard from a vendor with whom I *don't even do business*. No business with this vendor, ever. From Rocket I don't even get a phone call. AND I PROMOTE THEM! :)~~~ so there. That will grow the business by not shrinking the business. I just had another encounter, with *yet another* Mv prospect who is completely disconnected from the mv world except through their VAR. What that means is that if the VAR pisses them off, they will be completely disconnected. That means, the executive level will then say, Oh this system is old, nobody uses it, lets get something bright and shiny... and off we go. The board has racked their brains... how about an actual phone call from an actual Rocket salesperson? The last time anyone from universe under Ardent or under IBM or under Rocket has even *called* me was probably back in 2001. The internet makes people foolish, thinking that they can continue to do business, easier now all by email. What happened to the days when salespeople actually visited sites? Anyway to what kind of outreach are you actually referring here? Throwing money at a problem *does* solve the problem, if the problem requires money in order to make it happen. Not everything is free. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 4:53:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: No, this whole thing has got well beyond tedious now, if you haven't got the point yet that Rocket spend money on U2UG rather than give money to it - and that the board want is this way - you never will. I believe George that Laura Hirsch stated that money would help. And I'm sorry, yet again, you *stating* that they spend money on U2UG is not the same at all, in my mind, with someone like Susie detailing exactly what they are spending on U2UG and what it buys or covers. Can you understand this? More words don't move me at all. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:13:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: Members particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase or Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are clears the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. Too long being a member of Wikipedia has numbed me to the weight of position and authority. I suspect everyone of speaking extemporaneously and being off the reservation. I'm not working for Intersystems. I told them I wanted $250,000, a corner office, a view of the ocean, and three months vacation each year, and they hung up on me. Go figure. Dubya The artist formerly known as W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Could we make it a hover-board rather than a skateboard :-) My 16 year old son has just come up with a working design . just very unfortunate that it only works with super conductors cooled to around absolute zero, so better throw in a pair of socks! I've always liked the idea of socks as a gimmick (here is a pair of socks you'll need them after we knock your socks off when you see what we can do), but Rocket Socks work just as well :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 23 March 2011 5:39 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment In a message dated 3/21/2011 3:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Here's twelve hundred and thirty google pages, to tell you who I am http://www.google.com/search?hl=q=fft2001%40aol.com The focus on money is not pointless. Here's an idea (which costs money), send a postcard to EVERY person on Rocket's tickler file. And when I say every, I do mean every, saying Please join U2UG and we'll send you a free skateboard... or whatever. I got a skateboard from a vendor with whom I *don't even do business*. No business with this vendor, ever. From Rocket I don't even get a phone call. AND I PROMOTE THEM! :)~~~ so there. That will grow the business by not shrinking the business. I just had another encounter, with *yet another* Mv prospect who is completely disconnected from the mv world except through their VAR. What that means is that if the VAR pisses them off, they will be completely disconnected. That means, the executive level will then say, Oh this system is old, nobody uses it, lets get something bright and shiny... and off we go. The board has racked their brains... how about an actual phone call from an actual Rocket salesperson? The last time anyone from universe under Ardent or under IBM or under Rocket has even *called* me was probably back in 2001. The internet makes people foolish, thinking that they can continue to do business, easier now all by email. What happened to the days when salespeople actually visited sites? Anyway to what kind of outreach are you actually referring here? Throwing money at a problem *does* solve the problem, if the problem requires money in order to make it happen. Not everything is free. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Got it. I understand now. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:12 PM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: Hi Dawn I was raising an issue of etiquette to put names to emails so that everyone knows who they are dealing with and it is transparent that there are no hidden agendas. Not everyone knows who Will is as he has a meaningless email and he signs off with W. George would not know that Will was on the board of U2UG. I was trying to raise a perspective, that not knowing who you are dealing with raises questions about what are the motives. Members particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase or Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are clears the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
