Re: [U2] Graph DataBase
Hi, On the nosql website MultiValue is classed as Soft NoSQL because it did not rise out of a web 2.0 need. Perhaps if people working on web 2.0 technologies had heard of U2 at the time, U2 would now already be the primary web 2.0 backend and few of these newer databases would have arisen. (Apologies for fantasizing!). For reasons discussed n times on these forums, we know why the above didn't happen. People thought this model did not exist, because they had never heard of Pick, U2, MV call it what you will. There are ample opportunities for the vendors and vars to spread the word about U2 in the NoSQL world, but to do this I think they need to be willing to go out to the conferences and make presentations on U2 and where possible supply the audience with real world examples of websites (and where possible web 2.0) websites running on a U2 backend. Also if anyone would like to share references to any websites with me I would be happy to pass them on to my NoSQL contacts here in Germany. There is nothing better than real world examples! The question is, which multivalue vendors are even interested or willing to attend the NoSQL conferences. There are numerous conferences taking place in 2012 which someone from Rocket or one of the VAR's could attend to share the message about U2. If you want to be heard of you need to get out to these events and tell people about U2. Even if vendors or vars do not want to present at these events then we as individuals can attend and chat with people on an informal basis about U2. But I really want to see Rocket representatives at these events presenting U2. I already know when and where some of these events will be taking place (at least on the europe side of the water) so if anyone from Rocket is reading, get in touch with me for more info. Regards Glenn Am 18.12.2011 00:17, schrieb Tony Gravagno: From: Laura Hirsh ... Most importantly, does i model allow a company to focus on, and increase the bottom line of their business. It really shouldn't be about one technology vs another. Laura hit it on the head. There's all of this rhetoric about where MV is best positioned. But even outside of the NoSQL ecosystem, other databases are just out there evangelizing their platform. While people in the MV market try to figure out if MV fits a specific NoSQL niche definition, there's still no marketing outside of the already established base. If people don't see MV anywhere but on a NoSQL web page, it's going to be regarded as just another unworthy curiosity - the way any of us would gloss over a NoSQL database that we've never heard of. If the MV DBMS vendors just put the platform out there, we won't need to worry about where it fits; people will categorize it where they see fit. That's the way real grassroots movements like NoSQL work, a concept largely forgotten in this community. And while I give the DBMS vendors grief about lack of marketing, this community is as guilty of it as they are. "Grassroots", a concept that used to be closely associated with us, means it comes from the community, not just the vendor upline. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Graph DataBase
Hi
One MV vendor suggested that we collectively try to "occupy NoSQL" and see
if we can make a place for MV within the greater NoSQL ("Not Only SQL")
community. Most of the MV DBMS vendors are on the list at nosql-database.org.
Whilst there would appear to be some similarities with NoSQL databases,
I think it is important that the MV community does not appear to be be a
desperate hanger-on to this movement, in the hope of gaining some
attention and coverage otherwise we won't be taken seriously. Statements
like "We have been doing this since the 70's" (not sure where I have
heard this, but I have) isn't going to win any credo really, other than
making us look desperate for recoginition.
MV is not mentioned in any of the NoSQL books out there because it is
not a "non-relational Web 2.0" database. It is a relational (tables have
relationships with one-another) non-normalised database.
Of course, there are structural similarities, so I suppose they can be
described as "soft" NoSQL databases at a push.
As frustrating as it is, if the vendors aren't going to market their
products and shout out to the industry about how fantastic their
products are then it will be difficult to convince people at a NoSQL
meeting about something they have never heard of. Very, very frustrating
I know.
Glenn
Am 16.12.2011 02:13, schrieb Dawn Wolthuis:
Good idea to attend.
Although I have some probably-not-great reasons (so I'll keep them to
myself) for not having a lot of respect for Neo4J even without touching it,
I think it is a really good idea to visit some of the many various NoSQL
events when they are in your neck of the woods (they are unlikely to be in
my area).
One MV vendor suggested that we collectively try to "occupy NoSQL" and see
if we can make a place for MV within the greater NoSQL ("Not Only SQL")
community. Most of the MV DBMS vendors are on the list at nosql-database.org
.
Have fun, Bill, and let us know what you think. --dawn
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Bill Brutzmanwrote:
I expect that the topic is of interest to U2 programmers. I plan to
attend.
NYJavaSIG,
What: "Neo4J - High Performance NoSQL Graph Database"
Who: Peter Bell - CTO - Skinnio
When: WEDNESDAY, Dec 21, 2011 - 6:30pm-8:00pm (refreshments
6:00-6:30pm)
Where: Credit Suisse
1 Madison Ave (bet 23rd/24th St), Main Floor (
http://g.co/maps/dxpnf)
REGISTER: http://www.javasig.com/meeting/show/57<--- YOU
MUST REGISTER!
or
http://www.meetup.com/JavaSIG/events/44515732/< YOU MUST
REGISTER!
The world is a graph - and Neo4J can help you to interact with it.
In this presentation we'll look at the strengths and weaknesses of
graph
databases and the kinds of use cases that they fit for. We'll then
briefly
look at graph based queries and how to get the best of both world
using
the cross store persistence capabilities of Spring Data.
Neo4J is an open source project available from neo4j.org and
available as an AMI on AWS.
Thanks to Credit Suisse for hosting *and* the food and refreshments!
Thanks to JetBrains for Two Free IntelliJ licenses to give away!
See everyone on Wed night for our last monthly meeting of the year.
Happy Holidays!
Frank G.
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Re: [U2] 64-bit ODBC driver for win 7
Hi Chris, I suggest you download the latest client software package from the Rocket site. The latest release is 11.1A which should be 64 bit windows compatible. https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/u2bcesdinternal.asp?pid=10037293&product=UVCLIENT <https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/u2bcesdinternal.asp?pid=10037293&product=UVCLIENT> Kind regards Glenn Sallis Am 13.09.2011 23:17, schrieb Chris Austin: I'm running a 64-bit version of Windows 7 and trying to install the ODBC driver that came with the UniVerse 10.1 client disk but I keep getting a message when I run the INSTALL application. The error states: 'The version of this file is not compatible with the version of windows you're running. Check your computers system information to see whether you need a 32-bit or 64-bit version of the program' Where can I download the 64-bit version of the UniVerse ODBC drivers? Thanks, Chris ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Job scheduling in UniVerse
Hi Martin, In this situation I would create a phantom process, presuming you have enough free user licences available, as a phantom process will consume one user licence. This is a UniVerse Basic program which runs in the background and perform the actions or processes that you need to take place, every fifteen minutes. Start the program as a phantom process with the following command at TCL: PHANTOM MYPROG In the program you can make it sleep until 00, 15, 30 and 45 minutes past the hour are reached. I am also going on the assumption that your process will take less than 15 minutes to run. If you need to reboot your server at any time, you will need to manually restart the phantom or you can add it to the uv.rc script (making a bold assumption you are on Linux or Unix) with uv "PHANTOM MYPROG" Make sure there are no INPUT statements in your program. Kind regards Glenn Sallis Germany Am 13.09.2011 08:25, schrieb Martin Hlasensky: Hello, I need help with UniVerse and job scheduling. Now we have UniVerse 9.5 and System Builder 3.3.2 (SB) and I want to run process every 15 minutes. I am able schedule job once only in SB. How can I schedule periodically recurring job in UniVerse or SB? Thanks for answer Martin Hlasensky Czech republic ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
I started out with Reality and remember the first training courses well. During the four day slog when the trainer reached the section on PROC he just said "PQN, thats all you need to know about proc" and we moved onto the next topic! Still I can understand and write PROC, it is a necessity when you have customers whose systems have been written to rely so heavily on it. Have a great weekend folks. Glenn Am 09.09.2011 22:39, schrieb Charlie Noah: I can still read and write both PQ and PQN (OK, I'm old). In eons past it was possible on Microdata to write an entire database app, with file reads and writes - not that I would want to (I'm cantankerous, not masochistic, suicidal or stupid). I wouldn't even want to convert one to Basic anymore, too much head scratching and I don't have all that much hair left. Gotta love paragraphs - there's a lot of power there and they're much easier to understand and maintain. Charlie Noah On 09-09-2011 3:15 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote: Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Free Software for DataBasic
All, If anyone does have code samples (other than games!) of how to achieve specific tasks that they would like to share, please do so at the U2UG website: www.u2ug.org by following the wiki link. This is your resource provided to you by the U2UG Board for everything U2 related. Please use it and contribute to it, as it will only be active if you do contribute to it. Kind regards Glenn Sallis Am 08.09.2011 17:21, schrieb DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com): Over the last weekend, I noticed that the pickwiki.com (the common mv code website) does not have any games programmes. I can remember playing the star-trek and adventure games on a Ultimate (or Altos I think), many years ago. Does anyone have any remnant or complete code that they can (legally) and would be willing to contribute to pickwiki.com? - Learn and Do Excel and Share http://mvdbs.com http://mvdbs.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Catalog In Place
Hi Will, Everything is possible! Your friend in this case is the VCATALOG (verify catalog) command. If you want to do it all in one routine, execute the VCATALOG command from your program, capture and do a check on the output which should indicate how the program was cataloged.Then you could do a CASE statement to choose how you want to catalog it this time depending on your specific criteria. Be careful though, I don't know how complex your application is, so you may be playing with fire. You don't want to get into a situation where different accounts are using different versions of object code and your programs get out of sync. My advice, make sure you catalog correctly the first time! Grüße Glenn Am 08.09.2011 00:24, schrieb Wjhonson: Task: Write a BASIC helper program that will, figure out whether or not this routine was previously catalogued locally, normally or globally and then, automatically, after executing a BASIC on it, execute the appropriate CATALOG on it as well. Possible? Useful? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Not if the server is running Linux or Unix. As for a Windows server, I really don't know and I cannot imagine it is worth the effort finding out. The UniObjects libraries are an indispensible set of libraries, in fact, absolutely necessary, to have on your machine if you are doing anything other than green-screen development. Together with the fact that mvDeveloper is very lightweight, I don't see any reason why you would not want to run it on your local machine. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 19:01, schrieb Wjhonson: Well then could MVDeveloper be installed on the same server as Universe and just launched via a shortcut link. -Original Message----- From: Glenn Sallis To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 9:59 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Will, In my original email, I already stated: "It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs o be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the erver." Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper n, to which the keyboard is connected on which you are typing. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson: Slight amplification. You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY. We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as niverse. Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC onnecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is unning I suppose. Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, "Gee is Uniobjects unning anywhere I can sense"? "Or anywhere you can *tell* me?" Or is that a silly question? Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling niobjects which is running on server y. So it seems possible -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the nidk ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anyway Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonson wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. hould it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work ith locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Will, In my original email, I already stated: "It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs to be on *your local machine* in order to expedite the connection to the server." Here, your local machine = the machine you have installed mvDeveloper on, to which the keyboard is connected on which you are typing. Glenn Am 02.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Wjhonson: Slight amplification. You need to install UniObjects LOCALLY. We have uniobjects installed, but it runs on the same network server as Universe. Since I don't type my keystrokes on the network server (but on my own PC connecting through an Accuterm telnet window) it can't see that UniObjects is running I suppose. Is it even a possibillity, that the software can say, "Gee is Uniobjects running anywhere I can sense"? "Or anywhere you can *tell* me?" Or is that a silly question? Funny thing is, we have scripts sitting on server x that are calling uniobjects which is running on server y. So it seems possible -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: U2 Users List Sent: Fri, Sep 2, 2011 12:45 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Hi Will You do need to install UniObjects - I don't include it as early on there were ome version incompatibilities so it was important to have a version that atched the database. Nowadays you can just use the version that comes with the ree client package that accompanies the personal editions of U2 - its the unidk ibrary which as U2 developers everyone should install anyway Brian Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Wjhonson wrote: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did eemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. he first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. hould it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work ith locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 64 bit and Universe 11.1.4 - Experiences?
Hi John, I think you will find it to be a positive move, both technically and financially! Recently I have done a fair bit of testing for a customer who are going to be migrating to 64 Bit Red Hat from a non-AIX variant of Unix and I cannot say I stumbled across any big issues. I was using previous versions of 11.1 for the tests. Do plenty of trials and tests to identify any potential issues, and I am pretty confident you will report back with positive news. Regards Glenn Am 02.09.2011 00:02, schrieb John Thompson: I'm looking to migrate from AIX 5.3 to RHEL. Basically because IBM is putting the hatchet to "regular" support on AIX 5.3 in May 2012. Has anyone had any experiences/challenges running Universe 11.1.4 on Red Hat Enterprise 6 - 64bit? I'm guessing I may get crickets on this one, since accroding to U2 Techconnect, 11.1.4 has only been out about a week... https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/buildmatrix.asp Kudos to Rocket for getting it to run on RHEL 6. I'm just scared if I go with RHEL 5, then I'll be in the "obsolescence" boat two years from now. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Doug, The notion of lines of code being a measure of productivity makes me uneasy. It is possible for someone to write 500 lines of efficient code using ED which solve the problem at hand, in half the time than another developer who writes 1000 lines of badly structured code to solve the same problem using "GUI Editor X". So yes, to a certain extent the tool you use can help, but whether money is saved or not depends heavily on the mind and skills of the person using the tool. As for me, I am still writing my code using Quills and Parchment, and still have a solution faster than using other mainstream technologies, although I do plan to upgrade to vi or ED at some point ;-) Glenn Am 01.09.2011 22:36, schrieb Doug Averch: Hi Mecki: Let us say, for example, that you can produce 60 lines of debugged code per hour. You cost the company $60.00 per hour including benefits. So the cost of each line of code is $1.00. You will produce in theory (160/hrs*60) 9600 lines of code per month for a cost of $9600.00. This amazing tool from U2logic comes along and you produce a extra 10 lines of code per hour. You will produce in theory 160/hrs*70) 9670 line of code for the same cost of 9600.00 saving the company $70.00. So the $49.00 you pay U2logic, pays for itself in about a month in this scenario. This math works if you productivity is only increase by one line per hour. You only have to have 49 programming hours in this Eclipse based tool to pay for it, or about a week and two days. We use this tool everyday and so does many U2 programmers throughout the world. We know I'm more productive than I was using any of my former tools: VI, or EMACS, or Notepad, or AE, or ED. If you are not a programmer, then this, or any tool, as limited value. But for the rest of us and our boss, they want us productive and our code clean. After being at Fortune 1000 companies and showing our software applications, we would not dare to show anyone how we have to edit program using the built-in editors in Unidata and Universe. Before we developed our Eclipse based editor, every CIO or CTO or CEO or just middle management asked us all of the time: Is this a DOS tool? Of course not we would answer and not get the sale! Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "XLr8Editor for real U2 programmers" On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: Doug, How does my company save money if they have to buy and pay an annual license fee for an editor? They might as well ban going to the toilet or making and drinking coffee during working hours. I probably could be even more productive if the company would pay ME more and not you. I can understand that it must be frustrating for you having spent a lot of time developing a piece of software that nobody wants to buy. But threatening that we will all loose our jobs and be replaced by 25 year old kids with no clue if we don't convince our boss to buy your tool won't change that. Writing code is time wise the least of my daily tasks. And I guess like me most of us here are analysts first and coders last. Mecki ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Will, You should be able to connect to a UV machine anywhere on planet earth using mvDeveloper. It sounds to me like you are missing the UODOTNET library, which needs to be on your local machine in order to expedite the connection to the server. One way to get this on your machine is to download the UniVerse Clients software package from the Rocket Website and install the UniDK, which will show as one of the items to install on the installation screen. http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-universe.html After you have installed this you should find the UODOTNET in the following folder on your C: drive: C:\U2\UniDK\uonet\bin Then I am presuming your connection from mvDeveloper to any UV database, irrelevant of location or OS should work. Grüße Glenn Am 01.09.2011 21:44, schrieb Wjhonson: I like Brian that you have a Windows installer for your software, which it did seemlessly, it was beautiful -- it made me cry. And I like that it's only 5 Meg. But my host is a remote system, not local. The first thing your software does is complain that it can't find Uniobjects. Should it be able to find it over a network connection? Or does this only work with locally installed Universe systems. Will -Original Message- From: Brian Leach To: 'U2 Users List' Sent: Thu, Sep 1, 2011 6:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS Let alone one, whose sole purpose for us (U2) is to highlight code. Well a good program editor - like mvDeveloper (grin) or Doug's U2 Editor - oes a lot more than just highlight. It's about ease of navigation and assisting developers to work faster and ore efficiently. Doug and I have taken different routes to that - Doug's ditor is arguably more powerful, mine is arguably lighter - but where they oth score over general editors is in understanding the code they are ealing with. That manifests in all kinds of ways. In mvDeveloper, for example, you can ight click to open a called subroutine or include file, can jump to a label n a program, can quickly navigate a program by label (Ctl-U move to revious label, Ctl-D down to the next label), can comment in and out (even or PROC), can perform a quick conversion on an internal date and time, can dit associated multivalues in a grid, pull up keyword help .. In short, lots of things that are specific to the platform and to the people ho use it. Brian __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
Hi Wyatt Rocket have supplied Editor software which is downloadable for free from their website called the Basic Developer Toolkit. Which as the name indicates, it offers more than just an editor. You can download this here: http://www.rocketsoftware.com/u2/downloads/register-basic.html Another good free Editor that I can recommend is called mvDeveloper from Brian Leach Consulting. I use this often for UniVerse development due to its being much more lightweight than the BDT. You can download this here: http://www.brianleach.co.uk/pages/mvdeveloper.htm When I am doing work for customers with other MultiValue flavours I tend to use WED which ships with AccuTerm. As to whether they are 64 bit compatible I do not know. You will have to test and see. Regards Glenn Am 31.08.2011 20:03, schrieb Buffington, Wyatt: Can anyone suggest a good editor for 64 bit OS systems that allows people to edit UniBasic programs? I was using HyperEdit by Sunergos Software for many years but I have upgraded my laptop and it will not run. Must have color coded of reserved words if at all possible. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Wyatt ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] callHTTP creating Header
Hello Karl-Heinz, It could be that the issue is not with UniVerse, rather at the web server end. If you can share the source code with us which you are using to build up the request this may help us to trace the problem. Also, are you running UniVerse or UniData and on which OS? I would suggest turning on protocol logging which should help in locating the cause of the problem. To do this use the protocolLogging() function which requires three parameters 1. The name of the file to which you want to save the logs. 2. ON 3. 10 (level 10 should give you enough info to help you with debugging). The function returns true or false depending on whether or not logging has started successfully. Other than that, try searching the mailing list. I would bet that you are not the only one who has had this problem. Otherwise check the BASIC Extensions documentation at the Rocket website. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Glenn Sallis Glenn Sallis Softwareentwicklung und Beratung Am 23.08.2011 21:03, schrieb Karl-Heinz Winter: in a header with post-data I have to create the header-information like this: Content-type: text/xml;charset="UTF-8" Accept: text/xml, multipart/related, text/html, image/gif, image/jpeg, *; q=.2, */*; q=.2 When creating it with "setRequestHeader" or with "addRequestParamete" I will receive the error 415 (Unsupported media type) from the server. How can I create the correct header? Thanks in advance Karl-Heinz ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Strange CASE Statement behavior
Sorry, the fourth line of my email should read: "The subsequent conditions" Glenn Am 05.08.2011 16:59, schrieb Glenn Sallis: Hi John Based on the values of your variables, your CASE construct is behaving perfectly! As far as I can tell, the reason partial_names_found never executes is because the preceding clause in your CASE statement evaluates to /true/. In a CASE block, each clause is checked until a clause is found which evaluates to /true. /The preceding conditions in the CASE are not checked. If you really do need to know the results of all conditions, you may be better of with using multiple IF clauses. Regards */Glenn Sallis /**Glenn Sallis Softwareentwicklung und Beratung *47608 Geldern·Deutschland Tel: + 49 2831 9104220 Mob: +49 151 55714743· Email:_gl...@glennsallis.de <mailto:gl...@glennsallis.de>___ Web: www.glennsallis.de <http://www.glennsallis.de/> /Ihr "Zuhause" für unabhängige MultiValue Beratung in Deutschland und Benelux/ Am 05.08.2011 16:57, schrieb John Thompson: I'm running on Universe 10.3.4 on AIX 5.3 on a PICK flavor account. I ran into some really weird behavior with a CASE statement this morning, or at least what I deem to be strange. I won't post the entire program... yet Basically I have some boolean variables that get set earlier in the program to the following values. exact_alpha1_found= @FALSE partial_alpha1s_found = @TRUE partial_names_found = @TRUE Then the CASE statement does its checks... BEGIN CASE CASE exact_alpha1_found ...do something... CASE (partial_alpha1s_found AND partial_names_found) ...do something... CASE partial_names_found ...do something... END CASE However, the CASE partial_names_found never executes. It fails!!! Is it only allowed to check these once, and thats it? In the debugger the value of partial_names_found is still a 1, even after the check fails. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Strange CASE Statement behavior
Hi John Based on the values of your variables, your CASE construct is behaving perfectly! As far as I can tell, the reason partial_names_found never executes is because the preceding clause in your CASE statement evaluates to /true/. In a CASE block, each clause is checked until a clause is found which evaluates to /true. /The preceding conditions in the CASE are not checked. If you really do need to know the results of all conditions, you may be better of with using multiple IF clauses. Regards */Glenn Sallis /**Glenn Sallis Softwareentwicklung und Beratung *47608 Geldern·Deutschland Tel: + 49 2831 9104220 Mob: +49 151 55714743· Email:_gl...@glennsallis.de <mailto:gl...@glennsallis.de>___ Web: www.glennsallis.de <http://www.glennsallis.de/> /Ihr "Zuhause" für unabhängige MultiValue Beratung in Deutschland und Benelux/ Am 05.08.2011 16:57, schrieb John Thompson: I'm running on Universe 10.3.4 on AIX 5.3 on a PICK flavor account. I ran into some really weird behavior with a CASE statement this morning, or at least what I deem to be strange. I won't post the entire program... yet Basically I have some boolean variables that get set earlier in the program to the following values. exact_alpha1_found= @FALSE partial_alpha1s_found = @TRUE partial_names_found = @TRUE Then the CASE statement does its checks... BEGIN CASE CASE exact_alpha1_found ...do something... CASE (partial_alpha1s_found AND partial_names_found) ...do something... CASE partial_names_found ...do something... END CASE However, the CASE partial_names_found never executes. It fails!!! Is it only allowed to check these once, and thats it? In the debugger the value of partial_names_found is still a 1, even after the check fails. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BDT is anyone using it?
Doug, The tools which I already have at my disposal are excellent and I am actually not even looking for a new editor. All I did was respond to an email about whether or not I use the BDT, however I wish you success with your product. Glenn -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org im Auftrag von Doug Gesendet: Mo 05.04.2010 23:25 An: 'U2 Users List' Betreff: Re: [U2] BDT is anyone using it? Hi Brian: We are talking an apple and oranges here. Your "free" editor is just that. Been there and done that. We don't need to do feature comparison. We started out with the Eclipse IDE that does thousands of things before we wrote a lick of code. My point was is Glenn going to buy our XLr8Editor for $49.00 or complain we don't have locking. That complaint is null and void. But will he buy or just be whining. Time will tell. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:40 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] BDT is anyone using it? > You will never get this kind of response from any of the other developer you mentioned below Er.. because mvDeveloper already had locking in the first place?... Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of D Averch Sent: 05 April 2010 2:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] BDT is anyone using it? Hi Glenn: I have changed our XLr8Editor today to lock UniBasic code while you edit. You will never get this kind of response from any of the other developer you mentioned below or Rocket Software for a feature you got to have. Are you going to put money where you mouth is and buy XLr8Editor for $49.00? Regards, Doug http://www.u2logic.com/tools.html ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] BDT is anyone using it?
Hi Doug, The BDT certainly seems like the basis of what could become an excellent tool, however, I am not willing to edit programs without locking in place, and as far as I can tell the BDT does not lock the program for editing, which is asking for trouble. I find a mixture of ED and mvDeveloper provide me with the ammunition I need, although I am also enjoying playing with Accuterm and WED at present. Regards Glenn -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org im Auftrag von Doug Gesendet: Fr 02.04.2010 21:46 An: 'U2 Users List' Betreff: [U2] BDT is anyone using it? Being a VAR for Rocket Software, we support BDT. We have this Universe customer that tells us about this new BDT release that got of the download site. Oops, we did not know there was a new release. This release does not match the one that we gave them. Anyways, they have this multilevel file the wanted to see if it displayed on BDT. Of course it did not work. After spending time in the Universe documentation I found what the structure of VOC item should be. Oh, the VOC was correct. We checked Unidata "LF" and "LD". BDT worked on one and failed on the other. This was not looking good. Just for grins, we tested our product XLr8Editor. XLr8Editor failed on both Unidata and Universe. Not good either. Together with my Java programmer two days ago we issued a Bugzilla to fix this. The code was fixed today. So we have updated our download site with the new code. XLr8Editor allows editing of data and programs, so this fix had to be done. 1. BDT does not allow editing of data files so why should we care? 2. We got one client with one programmer trying BDT that seems to be on the fringe? 3. Does anyone use this product except for my one obscure client? Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Hi, I couldn't agree more. It seems to me like the vendors "deaf ears" are their own worst enemy - each one clinging onto their own uniqueness, all be it by name. It would probably help if any of them actually appeared to market their products outside of Spectrumhaving said that, I do not read much trade press so I may be missing something. But my general assumption is that most of their business comes from word of mouth. I also find the naming and terminology a nightmare. It is not a problem anymore as I don't have to deal with unknowledgeable agents much, but years ago I remember having to engage in long discussions with agents, explaining to them what the term "Pick" or "Multivalue" generally refers to in order to even get them to submit my CV to their client. Maybe they were looking for a "pick" developer but at the time my CV mentioned Reality or UniVerse - agents question - do you have any Pick experience? Here in Germany, there is no point in even mentioning Pick or Multivalue. You won't get anywhere. The terms "Multidimensional", "Extended Relational" and "Nested Relational" are the only terms which will take the conversation anywhere useful over here; otherwise they will probably just think you are part of a strange cult (grin). Either we can sit here and moan about the vendors, or we can take action ourselves, as we clearly care about this topic more than the vendors do. Schöne Grüße Glenn -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: Dienstag, 23. März 2010 10:34 To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide Lloyd Thanks! Yes, I use Lulu because the volumes are so small and since they are US based - as is most of the readership - they can dispatch directly to the client rather than my having to dispatch them from here. The downside is the lead time for production. But 'windbag' or not Tony [grin], don't underestimate the amount of work required to create these - they take literally months of effort and if I were looking on a purely commercial basis they would be a non-starter for that reason. I write the books because I enjoy it, and I because I love this technology. The sales are a bonus. BUT it does lead into another soap box of mine: if you were searching for a book on this technology, what do you search under? The fact that there are no generic names for this market space, other than the 'multivalue' name that only participants understand, is one of my pet hates. Everyone understands the name SQL even though different variants are largely incompatible. Yet we can't even agree on one, single, sensible name for our query language: it's even different between the two U2 products! So if, for example, you wanted a book on the query language, are you looking under: Retrieve, UniQuery, AQL, ACCESS, ENGLISH, INFORM, JQL ... Yes it's fine to have all these trademarked variants - just like TSQL and SQL*PLUS - but the fact that after all these years the vendors still cannot bash their heads together to come up with a single, overarching and generic term just frustrates the h*ll of out me. And the other pieces are no better (BASIC, UniBasic, UniVerse Basic, DATABASIC, DATA/BASIC, PROC or PROVERB ...) I've raised this with the various vendors several times over the years, and it has always falled on deaf ears. But until we can start to just refer to our technology sensibly, it is always going to be an uphill struggle reaching beyond our community boundaries. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Cottrell Sent: 23 March 2010 3:01 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide I would talk to Brian Leach about how he publishes his. If I'm not mistaken they are printed on demand. I have bought a few from him, and they are very good quality. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/22/10 07:33:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Use
Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide
Hi Folks There were two available via Amazon.de. I have snapped one of them up, the other one is available for 21.33 Euros. Liaise with me directly if you want it and need help getting it, as it doesn't appear to be available via .com or .co.uk. Kind regards Glenn Sallis -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne Ackerman Sent: Montag, 22. März 2010 13:59 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Pick Pocket Guide I will NEVER give mine up, even though it is held together with rubber bands now! :) -Dianne MAJ Programming wrote: > My briefcase was stolen and in it was one of these small JES Pick Pocket > Guides. > > While I have access to all of the docs I need via the internet, I still refer > to this for some efforts. > > With no distraction, could anyone donate or offer to sell me one of these. I > don't recall the vintage of the one I had but it wasn't Microdata (or another > flavor) specific. Probably good old solid R90. > > Thanks in advance, > Mark Johnson > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] create.index and numeric dict names
Hi Symeon This works fine and creates the index with no problems on Universe. Unfortunately I don't have UD at hand. Have you tried putting the dictionary name in quotation marks? Maybe then it might treat it differently? CREATE.INDEX TEMP "1019" Just a stab in the dark! Regards Glenn -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2010 23:29 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] create.index and numeric dict names A funny on unidata 7.1 on linux - For a particular reason (don't ask why) i wanted to create an index on an attribute in a file, the dict name for this attribute is actually a number (1019) - but the command comes back :CREATE.INDEX TEMP 1019 -^ syntax error It does not like numeric dict names - anyone know if there is an option to get around this at all ?? Thanks Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
Hi Marinko
It depends on whether you are executing a TCL command or a Query within
the EXECUTE statement.
For a TCL command, if the RETURNING or SETTING variable returns 0 then I
believe the command was successful, if however -1 is returned, the
command did fail.
However, if you are performing a SELECT query within the EXECUTE
statement, the RETURNING or SETTING variable has a different purpose and
returns the number of records selected. If you want to, instead of
creating a RETURNING variable, you can access @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
directly depending on your needs. However, I suspect the reason this
doesn't appear in the documentation is that possibly the documentation
authors expected developers to use RETURNING or SETTING rather than
@SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE directly.
Hope that helps!
Regards
Glenn Sallis
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Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 15:25
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Subject: [U2] SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE
EXECUTE commands [CAPTURING variable] [PASSLIST [dynamic.array] ]
[RTNLIST [variable] ] [ {SETTING | RETURNING} variable]
Using the SETTING or RETURNING clause causes the @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODE of
the last executed command to be placed in variable.
Does that mean, that if the value of the RETURNING variable is not equal
to 0, the EXECUTE command failed?
Where are the @SYSTEM.RETURN.CODES documented or are these always os
specific? Actually I have a value 0f 1478 on a AIX machine.
Kind regards,
Marinko
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Re: [U2] Basic Developer Toolkit - Eclipse SDK
Hi Baker You can use this for your everyday BASIC developments. I believe it only works perfectly on UV version 10.3. So if you are lucky enough to be running 10.3 already then it's probably a good reason to finally cast Unidebugger into that great screen editor in the sky You can download the document related to this at: http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/22922010.pdf Regards - glenn -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Baker Hughes Sent: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2009 14:53 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] Basic Developer Toolkit - Eclipse SDK Is anyone using the Eclipse SDK that was released recently (I think part of the UV 10.2 rollout pkg)? I don't remember seeing any threads regarding it so I'm wondering if folks are just working away with it with no issues or questions, or if most haven't found a use for it, or haven't discovered it. I haven't had a project yet 'in my day job' that calls for it, but am thinking about other projects. Does anyone know of a fast-start guide? The look and feel is a lot like visual studio, but it's been a couple of years since I dabbled in that either. If Nathan R. or Marcie G. are listening, this could be an opportunity for a webinar. -Baker This communication, its contents and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] POS System
Hi Norman Check the following list on the IBM website: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/u2/solutions/find.html There are a number of references to point-of-sale systems there which probably use UV or UD. Regards Glenn From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer Sent: Mittwoch, 10. Juni 2009 14:32 To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] POS System Does anyone know of a point-of-sale system that uses UniVerse? Thanks, Norm Legal Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. It is intended to be read only by the individual or entity to whom it is addressed or by their designee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are on notice that any distribution of this message, in any form, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete or destroy any copy of this message ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster
It's yet another story that makes people who know and understand the multivalue database model cringe. Often one of the reasons for migrating seems to be due to decisions being made upstairs by people who have not bothered to consult the people with the knowledge to inform of the technical realities and work involved in such a major change. I have noticed over the years that SAP has been very heavily marketed. There is usually a reason for a product needing to be advertised ;-). Just because a product has massive marketing muscle behind it doesn't mean it's the bee's knees. I'm sure this story won't be the last expensive disaster! Glenn Sallis Software Developer Flextronics Logistics B.V -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: Montag, 20. April 2009 14:44 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster Hear hear. And now that this Microsoft-centric mentality has spread to management, I am concerned that there will be serious consequences down the road. I just heard that the US power grid control systems have been hacked. Imagine if the US were invaded and the power grid was taken down at the same time. I am only guessing but the fact that the system was compromised makes me think two things. 1. It is physically contected to the Internet. (Bad idea #1). 2. It was Windows-based. (Bad idea #2) Can an easy to access system be secure? Isn't that an oxymoron? Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation "JPB-U2UG" Sent by: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org 04/18/2009 05:53 PM Please respond to u2-users To: cc: Subject:Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster I can't speak for everyone but if it's anything like at our place, it's due to lack of education. UniVerse is contains all of our business logic and Microsoft is used for our presentation layer, desktop and web. We have 3 programmers working on UniVerse with an average age of 55. In our windows area we have 10 programmers with an average age of 25. Most of the people coming out of the colleges and universities only know one platform Microsoft. They are taught nothing about processing data, database structure, proper logic, or problem solving. They are not even being taught Unix anymore. I think the colleges are doing their students a disservice because most businesses are still running other platforms for their business logic and only have windows as the presentation layer. This causes a problem because when the business wants to hire someone they don't have anything except these 90 day wonders to choose from. The candidate has problems because they have never been taught how to use anything other than the windows tools. This isn't exclusive to U2, it's a problem with any of the proprietary operating systems/products and anything on Unix/Linux. This gives the PHB's the mistaken impression that anything not windows is obsolete and they should scrap what they have and go towards all MS or anything else that looks pretty. The new programmers are more than happy to get on board with the idea because most of them want to be working in what they are taught. They don't know what business logic is and they think it would be a walk in the park to switch. After all they were able to build that web page, right? They, of course, forget that the data had to be there before they could present it. The PHB's find that there is a bigger pool of willing low cost employees to choose from and force all of their people that actually know the business logic off the payroll. Then the nail is in the coffin. The new programmers all of a sudden discover that there is something happening in the background that they were not aware of, they try to reproduce it but nothing seems to work the same as it use to. Pride takes over and nobody wants to admit that they may have made a mistake. They don't notify the PHB's that there is a problem, they start panicking, they don't want to rehire the employees they got rid of, so they hire some consultants that don't know the business logic any more than the people that are there. It's not the consultants fault they were expecting that someone at the company knew something about how the company operates. By the time all of the problems come to light the company is on the brink of bankruptcy. Where does the blame go, the people that left were at fault for not giving the youngsters all of the information they needed. -- From: "Rex Gozar" Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 4:38 PM To: Subject: Re: [U2] UV to SAP migration disaster > I've been wondering why the Shane Co. felt the need to migrat
[U2] RE: U2 Users Digest V1 #1760
Hi Jeff If you go to the following link: http://www14.software.ibm.com/download/data/web/en_US/trialprograms/Z955 364D40826J60.html?S_TACT=104CBW71 and select UniData Clients this will download UniODBC etc. You can use these for all your needs and I don't believe they will expire. Good luck! Glenn Sallis Systems Developer Insurance Company Limited Insurance with a different perspective Telephone: +44 (0) 115 934 8990 Fax: +44 (0) 115 941 1316 Website: www.igi.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 July 2007 14:09 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: U2 Users Digest V1 #1760 U2 Users Digest Friday, July 13 2007 Volume 01 : Number 1760 In this issue: [U2] Unidata ODBC [U2] RE: [ID] Copying from AIX box to Linux box RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance Re: [U2] Tracking Disk Writes - AIX, Unidata -- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:30:05 -0400 From: Jeffrey Butera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [U2] Unidata ODBC We may embark down the ODBC connectivity path with Unidata (7.1.8 on solaris 9). My understanding is that I need to get the UniData clients toolkit and, in particular: UniODBC, the UniDK developer's Toolkit, and the Visual Schema Generator. Can anyone confirm this, and how/where I obtain these downloads if I already have a licensed Unidata product (yes, I have serial number, etc). All I've found on the IBM website is trials/demos. Thanks, - -- Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 413-559-5556 "Daddy - did you lose your mind?" Catherine Butera -- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:57:41 -0500 From: Jon Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [U2] RE: [ID] Copying from AIX box to Linux box You guys were on the right track. My Sys. Admin. traced her connection to the network and found she was on the wrong kind of port. After switching that around, "scp" works much much faster. Now I'm going to look into this rsync folks have been talking about. THANKS, Jon Wells At 04:55 PM 7/12/2007, Matthew E. Lauterbach wrote: >I agree with Clayton. Sounds like a duplex issue. It sounds like the >port on the switch is erroring (<- is that even a word?) out. > > >Matthew E. Lauterbach >Programming/Systems Administration Support Specialist >Academic and Information Services >West Texas A&M University >8066512177 > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton >Burton >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:40 PM >To: Jon Wells; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [ID] Copying from AIX box to Linux box > >That ought to be a pretty fast process. >Are either of these boxes new to the network? >Are the duplex/simplex and network speeds set appropiately on the boxes >and on the routers/switches? > >--Clayton -- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:11:13 -0400 From: "Nick Cipollina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance I agree. Trying to compare a relational database (such as SQL Server) and a post-relational database (such as UniData) is like trying to compare apples and oranges. Your best bet is to analyze how you are going to use the data, and pick the database that can handle those needs. Thanks, Nick Cipollina - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance Hi Robert Performance Benchmarking needs to be aligned with a business measure. Most performance benchmarks are done on the basis of Simple transactions per second. However where U2 realy bolts ahead is in complex transactions per second. In the realworld we have complex transactions, not always the simple Dr,Cr of a general ledger. A transaction will often involve various business rules and accessing multiple files for checks and process tables. With most RDBMS as the complexity increases, the more likely they will have to resort to processing outside of the database which causes a performance hit. With U2, the processing remains inside the database where basic code resides. Hence before doing performance benchmarking, make sure that the benchmarking represents the business process. It is like using a ferrari to delive furniture, it may be fast but it is the wrong vehicle for the job. Regards David Jordan > Is anyone aware of any performance benchmarks for UniData 7.1? How does > it stack up against SQL 2005? > > > Robert K. Kubarych > Network Services > Bergen Community College > --- > u2-users mailing list >
