RE: [U2] IDE
snip brains post (Most of .Net was modelled on Delphi anyway grin) /snip Ha Ha i have heard that many a time - actually Delphi was an influence on .net, a big one maybe, but so was j2ee and c++ amongst other things. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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1. Rudy is in search of a technology religion. How about, Use the right tool for the right job? Seriously, if you choose the technology platforms carefully, you should be able to interoperate between them. Right now I'm working on a new product with Delphi as the engine (for sheer performance), C#/Net services as the link (better at talking to the outside world), and front ends in .Net WinForms and Silverlight. I may also be adding some PHP into the mix, depending on time. All backed by Basic subroutines, of course. Often there is no single answer: learning to mix and match requires a steeper learning curve, but it can open up more opportunities and hey, it keeps things interesting. PS: On the subject of technology religions, is Scott Guthrie the subject of an official religion yet? If not, he should be. Sign me up as a confirmed Guthrite. 2. Religions have tradeoffs, evangelists, collection baskets, and long-term implications. If I had a dollar for everyone who said I would go for Delphi but I'm going for VB because it will always be there I would be a rich man. Sadly, I have to be content with just being right instead of being rich. Maybe that goes along with being an MV consultant anyway. Delphi is still here, VB isn't. (No VB.Net is not VB, it's a completely different technology with the some of the same keywords. Most of .Net was modelled on Delphi anyway grin) 3. Rudy probably does not want surprises. So I'll put in a very very small [ad] for mvScript. It builds dynamic web pages with a scripting language modelled after UniVerse Basic. So he can feel at home. It's fast, cheap and it works. And designed to be very easy to use. 4. Will it take Rudy longer to get to technology heaven if he is surrounded by agnostics? Or if people keep putting words into his mouth.? Brian --Bill Subject: RE: [U2] IDE From: Tony G IE has had issues for years with stability and standards. But technical or political aversion (or --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Delphi is still here, VB isn't. (No VB.Net is not VB, it's a completely different technology with the some of the same keywords. Most of .Net was modelled on Delphi anyway grin) VB.NET was for people familiar with VB or Basic, C#, J# for people familiar with Java. There is a Cobol .NET. For people familiar with Delphi, Pascal, Modula2, Oberon, Ada and there are versions of those for .NET also: http://www.dotnetpowered.com/languages.aspx Having these languages available helps lessen the learning curve. The .NET framework is also being cloned for Linux as a open-source project so the platform may be less important in the future. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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To add to this.. .Net also doesn't mean necessarily using web pages. If you're developing for intranet use, consider using windows forms with click-once deployment or sandbox mode. A lot of companies go the web page route because of the cost/hassle of deploying desktop apps and keeping them up to date, or the security concerns about installing software. They also equate web pages with stateless and windows forms with stateful. Neither of these is really revelant today. With ClickOnce deployment, the software is automatically published to a web server and installed from a web page. Subsequently it will automatically check for updates. No need to do a rollout: just give the user the installation link for the first time. With sandbox deployment it gets even easier. The software is downloaded automatically and run from the web page, but is not installed and cannot access any local system resources (e.g. file system) making it safe. I've used ClickOnce successfully, in particular for a site that was geographically dispersed and had frequent updates. It works well. OF course, now you also have Silverlight to add to the potential mix. So don't automatically think web when you think of .Net. The advantage of .Net is that you can use it for pretty much any sort of application once you have learned the language(s) and the framework. Brian -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 17 March 2009 22:17 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] IDE Off topic, but in reply - I develop all my web pages (asp.net and others) using firefox as the browser - i then tweak the stylesheets to cater for the bugs in ie6. Ie7 and 8 are much better. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: 17 March 2009 21:24 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] IDE Using .NET doesn't mean you're stuck with IE. The webpages which make use of dot.net services can be any webserver. You'd just have to develop with your customer's browser to make sure it displays correctly. - Original Message From: Brutzman, Bill bi...@hkmetalcraft.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:35:04 PM Subject: RE: [U2] IDE Here is another design angle... Although we use MS Exchange and Outlook, Excel, and Word, my boss eschews Microsoft IE. As I am not looking to talk myself out of my job, I am not looking to force .net on him. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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1. To me, it is a given that Microsoft encourages users to run the .net web apps on IE. 2. Much as I like Microsoft, the MS equivalent of JEE, BizTalk server, is rather expensive. WCF (Windows Communications Foundation) has a lot of beautiful features yet it has some major scaling limitations. IBM WebSphere has a lot of advantages in this space. --Bill -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony G Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] IDE Yeah, that was a funny statement. Sorry Bill. IE isn't .NET. I wish it were, and MS Office too because there would be a lot less problems. Many of the security issues are precisely due to the fact that IE doesn't employ the .NET security model which authenticates and authorizes code. After all of this time, Microsoft still hasn't delivered fully managed applications based on their own framework. I won't argue with the general sentiment. IE has had issues for years with stability and standards. But technical or political aversion (or attraction) to .NET needs to be based on .NET and not on applications that don't even use it. T --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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From: Tony G IE has had issues for years with stability and standards. But technical or political aversion (or attraction) to .NET needs to be based on .NET and not on applications that don't even use it. From: Brutzman, Bill 1. To me, it is a given that Microsoft encourages users to run the .net web apps on IE. That's not accurate. ASP.NET itself is browser/device independent - when the browser connects to the server, the appropriate code/controls are returned for the specific client. The tables that determine the code that gets pushed out are open for anyone to maintain, though I know of very few instances where this required, desirable, or even discussed. Further, .NET is not limited to ASP.NET. Therefore, as I said, you can use it as the communications pipe from Adobe Flex, PHP and other completely non-.NET clients. I'm sorry to turn people's notions of .NET upside down, but someone has to because obviously Microsoft hasn't done a great job of explaining .NET to a large number of people who still believe many of the myths. As just a couple examples: - I read recently a statement that .NET is expensive. That's not correct - it's completely free for development and use. - People tell me they don't use web services because they don't like IIS. .NET web services are not dependent on IIS or any other web server. 2. Much as I like Microsoft, the MS equivalent of JEE, BizTalk server, is rather expensive. This isn't related to .NET or IDEs, so while it may be true (no clue) it's not a valid point for this discussion. WCF (Windows Communications Foundation) has a lot of beautiful features yet it has some major scaling limitations. IBM WebSphere has a lot of advantages in this space. That's sort of apples and oranges too. Yes, WCF has scalability issues and I won't argue for or against it. But as a minimal definition, WCF is a free component of the .NET Framework which can allows inter-process communications with a few lines of code, and WebSphere is a large commercial offering with a large set of implementation details. With reference back to my original statement a the top of this posting, we can't properly discuss solutions when there is so much mis-information in circulation. I don't care particularly whether someone likes or doesn't like .NET, Java, PHP, or the MV DBMS model. But when we assert whether some technology is good or bad, or right or wrong for some task, we really need to make sure it's for verifiable and context-specific reasons. You won't get a comment from me, for example if you say WCF is inappropriate for internet usage as an inter-process communications mechanism - that's what it was designed for, but your opinion and experience about how it does the job are your own. You will get a comment from me if you say cars aren't as good as unicycles because unicycles consume too much electricity. Yeah, I know, that makes no sense for many reasons because we all understand cars and unicycles and how they're intended for different purposes. When we're on the same page with .NET we can have the same discussions. When we're not on the same page about the facts, it doesn't matter what anyone says because pre-conceptions and mis-information preclude any point as being compelling in any direction. Sorry for the digression. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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1. Rudy is in search of a technology religion. 2. Religions have tradeoffs, evangelists, collection baskets, and long-term implications. 3. Rudy probably does not want surprises. 4. Will it take Rudy longer to get to technology heaven if he is surrounded by agnostics? 5. Was that a rhetorical question? --Bill Subject: RE: [U2] IDE From: Tony G IE has had issues for years with stability and standards. But technical or political aversion (or --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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From: Brutzman, Bill 1. Rudy is in search of a technology religion. 2. Religions have tradeoffs, evangelists, collection baskets, and long-term implications. 3. Rudy probably does not want surprises. 4. Will it take Rudy longer to get to technology heaven if he is surrounded by agnostics? 5. Was that a rhetorical question? Whoe. There are lines between preferences, business choices, and techno-religion. I'm sorry, but I discourage against making technical and business decisions based on religion. I won't even try to sell software or services to a company that precludes solutions to the problems they present based on their techno-religion being pre-disposed against it. If that's what this is about then I'll be happy to exit the discussion. If not then I'd like to see other comments here that help Rudy on his way, and if I can I'll try to help as well. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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I'll chime in that I use Emacs with UniBasic.elhttp://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UniBasic.elfor basic code. Norm On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Cooper, Rudy rudy.coo...@sagepub.comwrote: Hi List, I need some recommendations. We've been coding using our UV text editor. You know the routine, copy and paste from 1 program to another. I have finally been given the green light to get pricing on a tool for development, creating forms (screens), document as you go, reusability, gui-izing, etc. Any recommendations? I was thinking of SB+, Redback, and even U2.NET (Since we have access to visual studio). We're a development team of 3 for about 100 UV users. If your using any of the newer development tools, I'd really like your opinion, good or bad. thx, rudy Rudy Cooper Technical Project Lead Sage Publications Inc. 2455 Teller Road Thousand Oaks, CA. 91320 USA T: 805.410.7724 www.sagepub.com Los Angeles | London | New Delhi Singapore | Washington DC The natural home for authors, editors societies Please consider the environment before printing this email --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Geeky sorcery at My website http://normanbauer.info Facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=561250983 Twitter http://twitter.com/simulacra10 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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As for tools for development use the new u2 IDE that runs on eclipse - it carries on from the old unidebugger and ads more functionality. As for gui-izing I can recommend designbais for quick authoring of web forms and more. Or if you want to do it all yourself I would recommend asp.net with uniobjects.net, maybe even go down the silverlight route if you want a rich UI distributed via the browser. Personnaly I did j2ee for 5 years at the beginning of the century and am not looking back Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Cooper, Rudy Sent: 16 March 2009 20:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] IDE Hi List, I need some recommendations. We've been coding using our UV text editor. You know the routine, copy and paste from 1 program to another. I have finally been given the green light to get pricing on a tool for development, creating forms (screens), document as you go, reusability, gui-izing, etc. Any recommendations? I was thinking of SB+, Redback, and even U2.NET (Since we have access to visual studio). We're a development team of 3 for about 100 UV users. If your using any of the newer development tools, I'd really like your opinion, good or bad. thx, rudy Rudy Cooper Technical Project Lead Sage Publications Inc. 2455 Teller Road Thousand Oaks, CA. 91320 USA T: 805.410.7724 www.sagepub.com Los Angeles | London | New Delhi Singapore | Washington DC The natural home for authors, editors societies Please consider the environment before printing this email --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Norman Bauer wrote: I'll chime in that I use Emacs with UniBasic.elhttp://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UniBasic.elfor basic code. Well if someone is going to make claim to Emacs, I'll have to point out how great Vim with the mvbasic syntax file is for basic code ... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Hi Rudy First, for a Windows based editor download the free mvDeveloper from my website. It's written in Delphi, uses UniObjects and it's lean and quick. And free, or did I say that? Second, download my primer on 'writing your first universe application' from the U2UG site. I know you're not new to UniVerse, but it is really a primer for using UniObjects.Net with VB.Net. That might give you some insight. Using .Net for developing screens is fine so long as you have a sensible grounding. For fun take a look at SilverLight - it's easier than Adobe Flex since it has a sensible programming language behind it (C# not actionscript) or otherwise regular Windows forms will do the job - much easier if you can use permanent sessions (like telnet) rather than web apps, especially since you can use regular locking and should be able to reuse much of your existing code. But read my articles on data binding to objects (not to datasets) and using LINQ with UniVerse XML, in the latest Spectrums before going down that route. Regards Brian Hi List, I need some recommendations. We've been coding using our UV text editor. You know the routine, copy and paste from 1 program to another. I have finally been given the green light to get pricing on a tool for development, creating forms (screens), document as you go, reusability, gui-izing, etc. Any recommendations? I was thinking of SB+, Redback, and even U2.NET (Since we have access to visual studio). We're a development team of 3 for about 100 UV users. If your using any of the newer development tools, I'd really like your opinion, good or bad. thx, rudy Rudy Cooper Technical Project Lead Sage Publications Inc. 2455 Teller Road Thousand Oaks, CA. 91320 USA T: 805.410.7724 www.sagepub.com Los Angeles | London | New Delhi Singapore | Washington DC The natural home for authors, editors societies Please consider the environment before printing this email --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Rudy, The problem with all of these suggestions by our fellow programmers is that they are piece meal. Get this tool for editing programs. Get this tool for gui-izing forms. Get this tool to from Microsoft to do this or that. Why not go with one built-in set of tools? You can edit your programs or dictionaries, you can develop Web based forms all from one platform, you can edit your web objects, you can use CVS or Subversion for source control, and you can install all of this software from the same tool. What is this amazing tool, you ask? ad XLr8 was the first tool built on the Eclipse.org open source framework from an independent company. XLr8 encompasses XLr8Editor, XLr8ObjectEditor, XLr8WebDeveloper, XLr8Installer, XLr8Replicator, and XLr8Resizer. Your web applications run on open source Apache Tomcat in either JSP or HTML. We support the most popular browsers: IE, FireFox, Chrome, and Safari. U2WebLink is our middleware and it uses open source jabsorb.org to handle these simple and lightweight AJAX framework that allows access to Java methods using JavaScript. This technology uses open source json.org as the data interchange format instead of the heavyweight format XML. This middleware is much much faster than all competing products out there today. XLr8 has built-in menuing, grid entry, login security, prompt level security, job scheduling, auditing, replication, user tracking, logging, and debugging. Why reinvent the wheel? /ad Call me for a demonstration of this amazing tool set. Regards, Doug 303-768-9601 x31 www.u2logic.com _ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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From: Doug Averch The problem with all of these suggestions by our fellow programmers is that they are piece meal. Get this tool for editing programs. Get this tool for gui-izing forms. Get this tool to from Microsoft to do this or that. I've been watching the frenzy with interest as well. I've spoken with Rudy about development in the past so I won't place an ad here. The problem with answering a question like this is that other questions and answers preclude coming up with a right answer to this one. Rudy likes the elegance of working within Visual Studio. Does that mean he's inclined toward .NET development? If so then we should stick to solutions that facilitate .NET development with MV. I recently published a blog discussing Flex and Silverlight development, and how they both respond in different ways to the frequent requests we see in these forums (low-cost, platform independent, well documented, well supported, easy to get developers, etc). But unless someone has made a decision about what technology they want to use, it doesn't make a lot of sense to propose tools. Heck what about tools for Ruby, PHP, or Java? Rudy asked about SB+. I'm guessing he wants to do web development but maybe thick-client is a possibility. That would prompt mention of some tools in our industry and not others. I've been using NetBeans for PHP here. It's free and quite popular but it's not integrated with MV, and that's the next point: Rudy asked for an Integrated Development Environment. That precludes text editors. In addition to something more firm about what technology is preferred, the next questions should really be: - What do you mean by IDE? - What features do you find attractive? - What are your real requirements? I have lots of answers, so the next post will probably be an ad, but I prefer to understand the problem better before proposing solutions. :) Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Here is another design angle... Although we use MS Exchange and Outlook, Excel, and Word, my boss eschews Microsoft IE. As I am not looking to talk myself out of my job, I am not looking to force .net on him. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Using .NET doesn't mean you're stuck with IE. The webpages which make use of dot.net services can be any webserver. You'd just have to develop with your customer's browser to make sure it displays correctly. - Original Message From: Brutzman, Bill bi...@hkmetalcraft.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:35:04 PM Subject: RE: [U2] IDE Here is another design angle... Although we use MS Exchange and Outlook, Excel, and Word, my boss eschews Microsoft IE. As I am not looking to talk myself out of my job, I am not looking to force .net on him. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Off topic, but in reply - I develop all my web pages (asp.net and others) using firefox as the browser - i then tweak the stylesheets to cater for the bugs in ie6. Ie7 and 8 are much better. -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jacques G. Sent: 17 March 2009 21:24 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] IDE Using .NET doesn't mean you're stuck with IE. The webpages which make use of dot.net services can be any webserver. You'd just have to develop with your customer's browser to make sure it displays correctly. - Original Message From: Brutzman, Bill bi...@hkmetalcraft.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:35:04 PM Subject: RE: [U2] IDE Here is another design angle... Although we use MS Exchange and Outlook, Excel, and Word, my boss eschews Microsoft IE. As I am not looking to talk myself out of my job, I am not looking to force .net on him. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Yeah, that was a funny statement. Sorry Bill. IE isn't .NET. I wish it were, and MS Office too because there would be a lot less problems. Many of the security issues are precisely due to the fact that IE doesn't employ the .NET security model which authenticates and authorizes code. After all of this time, Microsoft still hasn't delivered fully managed applications based on their own framework. I won't argue with the general sentiment. IE has had issues for years with stability and standards. But technical or political aversion (or attraction) to .NET needs to be based on .NET and not on applications that don't even use it. T From: Symeon Breen Off topic, but in reply - I develop all my web pages (asp.net and others) using firefox as the browser - i then tweak the stylesheets to cater for the bugs in ie6. Ie7 and 8 are much better. From: Jacques G. Using .NET doesn't mean you're stuck with IE. The webpages which make use of dot.net services can be any webserver. You'd just have to develop with your customer's browser to make sure it displays correctly. From: Brutzman, Bill Although we use MS Exchange and Outlook, Excel, and Word, my boss eschews Microsoft IE. As I am not looking to talk myself out of my job, I am not looking to force .net on him. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] IDE ADADADAD
AD ALERT In case you are in any doubt, I'm going to talk about VISAGE/AD ALERT Hi Rudy, You should consider our Visage product (http://www.stamina.com.au/Visage/visage.htm) if you are seeking an enterprise class IDE that is fully aware of your UV environment, and has been designed from the ground up to leverage the strengths of multi-value, AND your existing skill set, you will be hard pressed to find a better candidate. In terms of simple code editing you get a syntax highlighting editor with auto-completion, even for your own subroutine libraries. As well as normal code, Visage also includes our Snippet Technology, which allows you to build your own extensible macro notation to drastically reduce the keystrokes required to incorporate custom code that conforms to your site standards. In terms of gui-izing and screen/form design, the Visage.Designer lets you simply drag drop dictionary (and non-data bound) elements onto a blank canvas and attach code as necessary (which can also be inherited from our extended dictionaries) which can execute business rules on either the UV or client end of the equation. You can also easily construct your own re-usable UI components that can be dropped on forms to give a consistent look feel, and avoid replicated effort, and forms can also be re-used across multiple processes Simple enquiry maintenance screens typically require no code, and Visage screens can operate alongside green screen counterparts without having to change ANY code (important if you use READU locks currently), so you can migrate at your own pace, rather than having to adopt a BIG BANG approach to migration You can also design printer forms with the same drag drop interface to your dictionaries, and reports/forms can be previewed onscreen, delivered via email, fax, sent to a file -- heck, if you want you can even send them to an actual printer! Importantly, you can also generate Visage.ReportServer documents from your green screen applications via a simple EXECUTE statement! If part of your (re-)development includes facilities like Business Intelligence/Data Warehousing, or even if you want to deploy BI facilities with your current Green Screen apps NOW, then you should check out Visage.BIT The Visage suite of products is an integrated toolset that provides all of the features required to quickly easily deliver a 21st Century solution that leverages your existing business assets. You can deploy just those facilities you need today, and add the extra pieces of the puzzle as your needs dictate in the future. It may also be comforting for you to know that our largest VAR now has over 16,000 Visage licenses issued, and our largest single site tips in at 1,000 users If you would like more details, contact Drew Conboy Drexel Management Services, Inc. Suite 301 1010 West Chester Pike Havertown, Pa. 19083 Voice 610.924.9290 * Fax 610.924.9293 Email dcon...@drexelmgt.com Drexel also have people on the west coast :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2- us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony G SNIP I have lots of answers, so the next post will probably be an ad, --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] IDE
Hi List, I need some recommendations. We've been coding using our UV text editor. You know the routine, copy and paste from 1 program to another. I have finally been given the green light to get pricing on a tool for development, creating forms (screens), document as you go, reusability, gui-izing, etc. Any recommendations? I was thinking of SB+, Redback, and even U2.NET (Since we have access to visual studio). We're a development team of 3 for about 100 UV users. If your using any of the newer development tools, I'd really like your opinion, good or bad. thx, rudy Rudy Cooper Technical Project Lead Sage Publications Inc. 2455 Teller Road Thousand Oaks, CA. 91320 USA T: 805.410.7724 www.sagepub.com Los Angeles | London | New Delhi Singapore | Washington DC The natural home for authors, editors societies Please consider the environment before printing this email --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] IDE
1. IBM has done a lot of work recently with U2 Web Development Environment (formerly called RedBack). I like the idea using JEE with U2. There is the new IBM WebSphere DataStage Server for U2. 2. Consider using Adobe Flex as a front-end with UniObjects for Java. It is noteworthy that IBM recently bought ILOG, a company that sells Elixer, an RIA Flex add-on tool. --Bill -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Cooper, Rudy Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:55 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] IDE Hi List, I need some recommendations. We've been coding using our UV text editor. You know the routine, copy and paste from 1 program to another. I have finally been given the green light to get pricing on a tool for development, creating forms (screens), document as you go, reusability, gui-izing, etc. Any recommendations? I was thinking of SB+, Redback, and even U2.NET (Since we have access to visual studio). We're a development team of 3 for about 100 UV users. If your using any of the newer development tools, I'd really like your opinion, good or bad. thx, Rudy Cooper Technical Project Lead Sage Publications Inc. 2455 Teller Road Thousand Oaks, CA. 91320 USA T: 805.410.7724 www.sagepub.com Los Angeles | London | New Delhi Singapore | Washington DC The natural home for authors, editors societies Please consider the environment before printing this email --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] IDE
Try UniVerse 10.3 and the new and free 'Basic Developer Toolkit' using Eclipse... cheers, David -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Cooper, Rudy Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2009 7:55 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] IDE Hi List, I need some recommendations. We've been coding using our UV text editor. You know the routine, copy and paste from 1 program to another. I have finally been given the green light to get pricing on a tool for development, creating forms (screens), document as you go, reusability, gui-izing, etc. Any recommendations? I was thinking of SB+, Redback, and even U2.NET (Since we have access to visual studio). We're a development team of 3 for about 100 UV users. If your using any of the newer development tools, I'd really like your opinion, good or bad. thx, rudy Rudy Cooper Technical Project Lead Sage Publications Inc. 2455 Teller Road Thousand Oaks, CA. 91320 USA T: 805.410.7724 www.sagepub.com Los Angeles | London | New Delhi Singapore | Washington DC The natural home for authors, editors societies Please consider the environment before printing this email --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ Disclaimer Notice This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action or place any reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Ultradata immediately on +61 3 9291 1600. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ultradata Australia Pty. Ltd. To unsubscribe from receiving commercial electronic messages from Ultradata Australia please email unsubscr...@ultradata.com.au with the subject heading Unsubscribe. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
