RE: [U2] Time Travel
I've got absolutely nothing against Australians as a matter of fact I admire them. If the way they are presented to us back here is correct, they remind me of the way people were in this country fifth years ago but with some added technology. People that believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, are willing to die to defend it, and to defend their country. Not a bunch of complainers that can find nothing better to do than to complain about their email coming in an hour instead of minutes when it could have come from the other side of the world. Let the flames begin. Jerry -Original Message- From: Ross Ferris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel C'mmon Jerry ... what have you got against Australians and besides, if it WAS located on this side of the Pacific Ditch, based on current performance, you would see DAYS between posts, because it typically takes an hour or two before I see posts too Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Thanks for the donation, Don. It's easy to forget that these things cost $$$. Tom Derwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/26/07 7:55 PM Let me rephrase that. I donated the funds for the domain name and registered it. U2UG owns the domain in whole. I love whois..I should have paid for that privacy thingie too. Donald Verhagen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Chief Information Officer - Tandem Voice: 561.226.8261 - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Looks like Majordomo sorts the list by domain, then by user. That would put advantos at the beginning of the list with correspondingly fast turnaround. My former domain started with d; now it's l and takes about 30 minutes longer. Regards, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/26/07 10:35 PM Scott: I'm not sure what you mean. I usually get an email I post in about 10 minutes. Bill - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Maybe the US government isn't allowing the messages to process faster because they need to make sure they are safe for us to read. Because violating our freedoms is necessary to protect our freedom. I won't say anything else for fear of this ending up in my government file. 10:33am EST go! Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I've got absolutely nothing against Australians as a matter of fact I admire them. If the way they are presented to us back here is correct, they remind me of the way people were in this country fifth years ago but with some added technology. People that believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, are willing to die to defend it, and to defend their country. Not a bunch of complainers that can find nothing better to do than to complain about their email coming in an hour instead of minutes when it could have come from the other side of the world. Let the flames begin. Jerry -Original Message- From: Ross Ferris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:54 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel C'mmon Jerry ... what have you got against Australians and besides, if it WAS located on this side of the Pacific Ditch, based on current performance, you would see DAYS between posts, because it typically takes an hour or two before I see posts too Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Hrm... That makes me sad (zirmed.com) Perry Taylor Office (877) 494-7633 ext. 4392 Direct (502) 779-4392 Zirmed, Inc. 626 West Main St., 6th Floor Louisville, KY 40202 www.zirmed.com -Original Message- From: Thomas Derwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:39 AM Eastern Standard Time To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject:RE: [U2] Time Travel Looks like Majordomo sorts the list by domain, then by user. That would put advantos at the beginning of the list with correspondingly fast turnaround. My former domain started with d; now it's l and takes about 30 minutes longer. Regards, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/26/07 10:35 PM Scott: I'm not sure what you mean. I usually get an email I post in about 10 minutes. Bill - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel [not-secure]
snip I won't say anything else for fear of this ending up in my government file. /snip Too late ;) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
If a donation could be made with Pay-Pal, I've got some extra $. If it makes a difference. Thanks Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: Clifton Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Time Travel For the group's edification, at sending out 60,000+ e-mails on some days (more than that when people had nothing better to do at work than flame each other about coding styles), this was one of the problems I had when I hosted the lists. Larry is also being polite and not mentioning that he is footing the bill for this service and bandwidth. So when some people start in on this needs to be corrected, the list has to be faster, and so forth, I would suggest you show him the money. Not meaning to put words in your mouth, Larry. Most of us really (really, really!) appreciate your donation of time and money in support of these lists. Clif.button.push() On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote: b) I don't want to be blacklisted as a spammer. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I also experience the hour or so response time getting emails from this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
I have always presumed that *everyone* was subject to typically-at-least-one-hour delay. Is there anyone out there that gets emails from this list in near real time ? If so, what are you doing differently from the rest of us? /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Perry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also experience the hour or so response time getting emails from this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
I thought it depended on whether you were near the beginning or the end of the recipient list. Under my former e-mail address (imported from Clif's server), the turnaround was about 30 minutes. When the company changed our addresses, turnaround became an hour or so, which I presumed was because the new address was appended to the end of the recipient list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/26/07 4:23 PM I have always presumed that *everyone* was subject to typically-at-least-one-hour delay. Is there anyone out there that gets emails from this list in near real time ? If so, what are you doing differently from the rest of us? /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Perry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also experience the hour or so response time getting emails from this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. Perry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. ZirMed, Inc. has strict policies regarding the content of e-mail communications, specifically Protected Health Information, any communications containing such material will be returned to the originating party with such advisement noted. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
RE: [U2] Time Travel
C'mmon Jerry ... what have you got against Australians and besides, if it WAS located on this side of the Pacific Ditch, based on current performance, you would see DAYS between posts, because it typically takes an hour or two before I see posts too Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
The header for this message from Ross shows it was received by the listserver at 14:11:15 Pacific Standard Time (usa) and then received by my mailserver at 17:03:25 Central Standard Time (usa). So subtract 2 hours and it took about 52 minutes. It was virus scanned by AngelicHost and my internal mailserver before delivery. Maybe the scans are adding excess wait time to the process. Ron White Ross Ferris wrote: C'mmon Jerry ... what have you got against Australians and besides, if it WAS located on this side of the Pacific Ditch, based on current performance, you would see DAYS between posts, because it typically takes an hour or two before I see posts too Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 6:33 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
On Nov 26, 2007 3:29 PM, Ron White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The header for this message from Ross shows it was received by the listserver at 14:11:15 Pacific Standard Time (usa) and then received by my mailserver at 17:03:25 Central Standard Time (usa). So subtract 2 hours and it took about 52 minutes. It was virus scanned by AngelicHost and my internal mailserver before delivery. Maybe the scans are adding excess wait time to the process. What's also interesting in the headers is it seems the list host server time is off. your outbound server accepts your message to send: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:29:32 -0600 list server picks it up from your server: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:49:42 -0800 So, in fact, there is time travel involved! (And, yes, I see the time zone difference.) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
I own the domain. It's not hosted by myself here in the frigid 82F degree winter. Donald Verhagen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Chief Information Officer - Tandem Voice: 561.226.8261 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Let me rephrase that. I donated the funds for the domain name and registered it. U2UG owns the domain in whole. I love whois..I should have paid for that privacy thingie too. Donald Verhagen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Chief Information Officer - Tandem Voice: 561.226.8261 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Banker Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:33 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I thought that the list server was located in Australia but when I looked it up in whois it shows up in Florida and administered by Donald Verhagen!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Time Travel I have to add my two bits. Okay, I don't 'have' to... I use the exact same email group software (majordomo 1.94.5) on my 'home' system with over 7000 subscribers to over 180 different email groups. Our groups never see the delays the members of this group see, so with all due respect, there's something different happening that's causing the lags. We often see as many as 200 emails a second going out of our server, which is an 800mghz PIII with 120GB disk, no mirroring (I know, bad idea) and running fedora core 4 (old...). Our group members get their emails back within seconds, literally. I send an email to this group, and it sometimes takes an hour or so before I see it come back to me. I send an email to one of my groups at home, and I get it back within seconds. Now then, with that said, I've also added bulk_mailer to my email group server so maybe that speeds things up a great deal. I don't know. I did it so I would quit getting the annoying 'too many email connections from your server' errors I see from aol, hotmail, msn, yahoo, netscape, netzero, juno, gmail, . . . ad infinitum of the 'big' email hosts. My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... I don't know why, they just aren't the same. Karl quote who=Symeon Breen Or upgrade to a forum based group - just my standard gripe about email lists ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Moderator Sent: 26 November 2007 06:03 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Time Travel To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
Scott: I'm not sure what you mean. I usually get an email I post in about 10 minutes. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Ballinger Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:24 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Time Travel I have always presumed that *everyone* was subject to typically-at-least-one-hour delay. Is there anyone out there that gets emails from this list in near real time ? If so, what are you doing differently from the rest of us? /Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 On Nov 26, 2007 11:44 AM, Perry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also experience the hour or so response time getting emails from this list. I would love to see this situation remedied. Perry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
Karl, Maybe you and Larry should talk. Perhaps we need some sort of config correction? - Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Time Travel
No config changes necessary. Here's the skinny: The list is hosted on a shared server with other client websites. In order to ensure that everyone gets fair access to the SMTP server (and our clients' email delivery doesn't suffer), majordomo is throttled back to only allow a certain number of child processes to execute simultaneously. I don't WANT thousands of emails per minute going out because a) it's an unnecessary burden on the server; and b) I don't want to be blacklisted as a spammer. Add to this the fact that EVERY incoming and outgoing email on the server is scanned for virii, spam and other malware, and every incoming email to the lists are demimed and the delays are easily accounted for. Outgoing majordomo mail is sent with list priority (as opposed to bulk or first class), so busy mail servers may further delay processing of email from the lists. Majordomo's lists are also kept in alphabetical order, so if your email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED], you can expect to receive your emails sooner than [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps. Larry Hiscock Moderator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:57 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Time Travel Karl, Maybe you and Larry should talk. Perhaps we need some sort of config correction? - Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point? none really, other than to show that Charles' nice numerically explained _time travel_ doesn't match my real-life experience with my own majordomo server... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Time Travel
For the group's edification, at sending out 60,000+ e-mails on some days (more than that when people had nothing better to do at work than flame each other about coding styles), this was one of the problems I had when I hosted the lists. Larry is also being polite and not mentioning that he is footing the bill for this service and bandwidth. So when some people start in on this needs to be corrected, the list has to be faster, and so forth, I would suggest you show him the money. Not meaning to put words in your mouth, Larry. Most of us really (really, really!) appreciate your donation of time and money in support of these lists. Clif.button.push() On Nov 26, 2007, at 9:48 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote: b) I don't want to be blacklisted as a spammer. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Time Travel
All, When you receive posts out of sequence, or late, there's a reason. For example: 1. Bob sends an e-mail to U2-Users. 2. The system sends the mail out. 3. Sally gets her mail quickly and posts a response to U2-Users. 4. The system sends the mail out. 5. Since there is *nothing* direct about e-mail delivery over the internet, Sally's mail happens to arrive an hour before Bob's mail in Bob's own mailbox. 6. Jan, who got Bob's mail and then Sally's elects to respond. 7. Since there is *nothing* direct about e-mail delivery over the internet, the system receives Jan's mail two hours later than it was sent. 8. Mike, Jewel, and Anna all send mails after Jan's, all of which arrive in Bob's box before Jan's because of the delay in the system receiving Jan's mail. For those who understand UDP vs. TCP, you have to think of list mail as a form of UDP. The right stuff shows up in the right order often enough for the conversation to work. To fix this problem, you'd have to redesign the methods under which the internet manages and routes mail. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
