Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Ed Clark]

could be someone who learned on unidata too. unidata supports proc, but there 
doesn't appear to be a manual for it (If anyone has one, can I get a copy?). If 
you were doing new development on unidata, you may easily never have seen a 
proc.

On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Wols Lists wrote:

> On 09/09/11 20:53, Wjhonson wrote:
>> 
>> By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned 
>> Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what 
>> Proc was.  Never heard of it.
>> 
> That could easily be true of any BASIC programmer who learnt on Primes.
> Actually, that sounds almost certainly like that's the case, seeing as
> PAragraphs first appeared on Prime, specifically as the replacement for
> PROC.
> 
> INFORMATION only (officially) got PROC when it was already on its death
> bed ... iirc the last version ever released was 8.1, and the first
> version with PROC was 8.0.
> 
> Certainly I've never been near the thing - never really encountered it
> although I did know of its existence.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wols Lists]

On 09/09/11 20:53, Wjhonson wrote:
> 
> By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned 
> Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what 
> Proc was.  Never heard of it.
> 
That could easily be true of any BASIC programmer who learnt on Primes.
Actually, that sounds almost certainly like that's the case, seeing as
PAragraphs first appeared on Prime, specifically as the replacement for
PROC.

INFORMATION only (officially) got PROC when it was already on its death
bed ... iirc the last version ever released was 8.1, and the first
version with PROC was 8.0.

Certainly I've never been near the thing - never really encountered it
although I did know of its existence.

Cheers,
Wol
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Tony Gravagno]

> From: Wjhonson
> http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/...

That page misses the important facts that RPL is still actively
sold, maintained, and used today in active application
development.

> RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)

For historical reference, that was RPL+ licensed by R-Computer.


From: Charles Shaffer
> ...Padding the code with no ops to avoid crossing a 
> page boundary.

LOL again today - Charles you may be interested to hear that the
exact same fix was re-implemented within the last few weeks.
Some software bugs are like cicada bugs, they come back every 17
years or so.

T

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

And then at some point, when a part fails, it tries to call Sequoia to send a 
tech to fix itself.
It doesn't know how to handle the message "The phone number you've reached has 
been disconnected"

All sad face.






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mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs.
On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote:
>> From: Wjhonson
> I mean there's no reason to try to "distinguish" 
> mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into 
> a single company right?
 
 mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia.
 mvBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS.
 They're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83.
 
 Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early
 concerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms
 have been well supported for more than 10 years since the
 acquisition from General Automation.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Ed Clark]

yes Include Cache. And Stratus too please, though I think I may have been 
one of only 5 or 6 people who actually used it.

On Sep 9, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:

> Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows
> into TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there
> was likely a better way to show this.  Thanks for any tips on anything
> either inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is
> now a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product
> I'm using!  --dawn
> 
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I just don't think "Sequoia" ever called it "mvEnterprise"
>> That was my point :)
>> That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
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>> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>> 
>> 
>> I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
>> vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word.  --dawn
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>>> 
>> Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
>> 
>> They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
>> something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
>> license scheme to other vendors.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Ed Clark]

mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs.

On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote:

>> From: Wjhonson
>> I mean there's no reason to try to "distinguish" 
>> mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into 
>> a single company right?
> 
> mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia.
> mvBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS.
> They're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83.
> 
> Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early
> concerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms
> have been well supported for more than 10 years since the
> acquisition from General Automation.

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Ed Clark]

Both Sequoia and Stratus licensed Pick OA to sell on their fault-tolerant 
systems and ran with it in different directions. Sequoia ran a little farther 
:) Sequoia ran their pick on top of their proprietary TOPIX operating system 
and Stratus ran theirs on top of their VOS os. Sequoia eventually sold to GA 
but Stratus abandoned their pick around 1995 and started selling their 
fault-tolerant hardware with HP/UX and universe.

Pick 64 was a native pick from Alpha Microsystems. Sequoia may have bought 
it--I don't know. There was a Sequoia Pro product. 

The first time I heard the mvEnterprise name was in 1997. At that point GA had 
rebranded Sequoia (now running on AIX) as mvEnterprise, and the ADDS Mentor 
successor running on windows nt as mvBase, and Pick 64 as mvPro. I think the 
mvBase name may have existed before GA bought the database from Sun River (who 
bought ADDS from NCR I think, and kept the terminal business but didn't want 
the database). The rebranding didn't include their Power95 database (also 
running on AIX) and I had the impression that they were phasing it out (though 
there are still power95 users out there).

GA also has a hardware line named mv.ES (Enterprise Server)

On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Wjhonson wrote:

> 
> Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
> 
> They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market 
> something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub 
> license scheme to other vendors.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Yeah man, of course. I'm working a few projects, moving slower than
molasses, happy to take in info for an update but it it not yet to top of
priorities.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

>
> Extend it into the 2000s!
> That's what's missing.  The great mergers
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dawn Wolthuis 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
>
> Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows
> nto TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there
> as likely a better way to show this.  Thanks for any tips on anything
> ither inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is
> ow a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product
> 'm using!  --dawn
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
> >
>  I just don't think "Sequoia" ever called it "mvEnterprise"
>  That was my point :)
>  That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Dawn Wolthuis 
>  To: U2 Users List 
>  Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm
>  Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
>
>  I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
>  vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word.  --dawn
>  On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>  >
>  Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
>
>  They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
>  something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
>  license scheme to other vendors.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

Extend it into the 2000s!
That's what's missing.  The great mergers






-Original Message-
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To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers


Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows
nto TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there
as likely a better way to show this.  Thanks for any tips on anything
ither inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is
ow a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product
'm using!  --dawn
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
 I just don't think "Sequoia" ever called it "mvEnterprise"
 That was my point :)
 That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta.






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 Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm
 Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers


 I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
 vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word.  --dawn
 On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
 >
  Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.

  They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
  something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
  license scheme to other vendors.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows
into TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there
was likely a better way to show this.  Thanks for any tips on anything
either inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is
now a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product
I'm using!  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

>
> I just don't think "Sequoia" ever called it "mvEnterprise"
> That was my point :)
> That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dawn Wolthuis 
> To: U2 Users List 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
>
> I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
> vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word.  --dawn
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
> >
>  Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
>
>  They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
>  something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
>  license scheme to other vendors.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Glenn Sallis]

I started out with Reality and remember the first training courses well. 
During the four day slog when the trainer reached the section on PROC he 
just said "PQN, thats all you need to know about proc" and we moved onto 
the next topic!


Still I can understand and write PROC, it is a necessity when you have 
customers whose systems have been written to rely so heavily on it.


Have a great weekend folks.
Glenn

Am 09.09.2011 22:39, schrieb Charlie Noah:
I can still read and write both PQ and PQN (OK, I'm old). In eons past 
it was possible on Microdata to write an entire database app, with 
file reads and writes - not that I would want to (I'm cantankerous, 
not masochistic, suicidal or stupid). I wouldn't even want to convert 
one to Basic anymore, too much head scratching and I don't have all 
that much hair left.


Gotta love paragraphs - there's a lot of power there and they're much 
easier to understand and maintain.


Charlie Noah

On 09-09-2011 3:15 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote:

Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs  ;-)

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By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a 
seasoned
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not 
know what

Proc was.  Never heard of it.

It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Charles_Shaffer]

>>> I really don't know what you guys are complaining about.
>>> My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system 
written entirely in  RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)

>>> Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL.

My first PICK environment used RPL on a Vax with the add-in board.  Ahh, 
just thinking about it makes me break out in a cold sweat.  Padding the 
code with no ops to avoid crossing a page boundary. The equates didn't 
work quite right, so you were stuck with the %1, &1 variables.  Assembly 
language looked real good after that.

Charles Shaffer
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation




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I really don't know what you guys are complaining about.
My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written 
entirely in  RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)

Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL.


http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/rpl-computer-language-by-smi/4hmquk6fx4gu/715#



No it's not the third buffer position of stack 6 it's the sixth buffer 
position of stack 3 !!
Push push push pop add one switch push pop take three chars copy copy push 
pop 

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

I just don't think "Sequoia" ever called it "mvEnterprise"
That was my point :)
That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta.






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I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word.  --dawn
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
 Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.

 They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
 something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
mvEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

>
> Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
>
> They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
> something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Love it -- I could have used this story last year, but I'm guessing there
will be another occasion.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Charlie Noah  wrote:

> Wasn't Spirit the one with a natural language query processor? I remember a
> friend who was testing natural language and asked "What are the wages of
> sin?", to which the computer promptly responded "$46.50 per hour". It turns
> out there was an employee named John Sinn who earned, you guessed it, $46.50
> per hour. I may have gotten the amount wrong, but you get the idea. Memory
> is the first thing to go!
>
> Charlie Noah
>
>
> On 09-09-2011 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote:
>
>> I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also
>> software?
>> Nice little machine...
>>
>> I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!
>>
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>> pulling
>> in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

Here it is.  Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.

They heavily modified it.  I think they did, or at least TRIED to market 
something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub 
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Charlie Noah]

This explains a lot, my friend!  ;^)

On 09-09-2011 3:29 PM, Wjhonson wrote:

I really don't know what you guys are complaining about.
My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written 
entirely in  RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)

Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL.


http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/rpl-computer-language-by-smi/4hmquk6fx4gu/715#


No it's not the third buffer position of stack 6 it's the sixth buffer position 
of stack 3 !!
Push push push pop add one switch push pop take three chars copy copy push pop 


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Charlie Noah]

I can still read and write both PQ and PQN (OK, I'm old). In eons past 
it was possible on Microdata to write an entire database app, with file 
reads and writes - not that I would want to (I'm cantankerous, not 
masochistic, suicidal or stupid). I wouldn't even want to convert one to 
Basic anymore, too much head scratching and I don't have all that much 
hair left.


Gotta love paragraphs - there's a lot of power there and they're much 
easier to understand and maintain.


Charlie Noah

On 09-09-2011 3:15 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote:

Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs  ;-)

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By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what
Proc was.  Never heard of it.

It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

That's right Tony, but my point was only that it was not *called* mvEnterprise 
in the mid 90s like Dawn's chart would imply.  (Where it's just called 
mvEnterprise with no predecessor name.)





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To: u2-users 
Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers


> From: Wjhonson
 I mean there's no reason to try to "distinguish" 
 mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into 
 a single company right?
mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia.
vBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS.
hey're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83.
Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early
oncerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms
ave been well supported for more than 10 years since the
cquisition from General Automation.
As an aside, I've been LOLing at the lighter notes in this
hread. Thanks folks.
Final Note: my recent blogs discuss retrofitting code for GUI,
ndroid development, advanced Excel reporting, and more.  See
ink below.  Thanks.
Tony Gravagno
ebula Research and Development
G@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

The simple stuff wasn't badit was when you had to involve the correlatives 
where
   It started to get cryptic. I started with PQN level. 

I equated Procs to MSDOS batch files.


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George
>> Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?

I thought it was short for Proctology.

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Tony Gravagno]

> From: Wjhonson
> I mean there's no reason to try to "distinguish" 
> mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into 
> a single company right?

mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia.
mvBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS.
They're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83.

Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early
concerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms
have been well supported for more than 10 years since the
acquisition from General Automation.

As an aside, I've been LOLing at the lighter notes in this
thread. Thanks folks.

Final Note: my recent blogs discuss retrofitting code for GUI,
Android development, advanced Excel reporting, and more.  See
link below.  Thanks.

Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com
Nebula R&D sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

I really don't know what you guys are complaining about.
My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written 
entirely in  RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)

Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL.


http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/rpl-computer-language-by-smi/4hmquk6fx4gu/715#


No it's not the third buffer position of stack 6 it's the sixth buffer position 
of stack 3 !!
Push push push pop add one switch push pop take three chars copy copy push pop 


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Larry Hiscock]

It's no coincidence that proctology starts with PROC  ;-)

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Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?

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You haven't missed much.  Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:

> Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did
> not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even
> now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc.  --dawn
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> >
> > By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a
> > seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did
> not
> > know what Proc was.  Never heard of it.
> >
> > It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)
> >
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

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George
>> Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?

I thought it was short for Proctology.

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:14 PM
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You haven't missed much.  Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:

> Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did
> not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even
> now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc.  --dawn
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> >
> > By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a
> > seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did
> not
> > know what Proc was.  Never heard of it.
> >
> > It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)
> >
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Larry Hiscock]

Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs  ;-)

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By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what
Proc was.  Never heard of it.

It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[John Thompson]

You haven't missed much.  Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC.

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote:

> Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did
> not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even
> now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc.  --dawn
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:
>
> >
> > By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a
> > seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did
> not
> > know what Proc was.  Never heard of it.
> >
> > It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)
> >
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did
not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even
now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

>
> By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a
> seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not
> know what Proc was.  Never heard of it.
>
> It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

Gotta luv correlatives!

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By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned 
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what 
Proc was.  Never heard of it.

It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned 
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what 
Proc was.  Never heard of it.

It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)


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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Good questions Will. When I moved 8 years ago, I had one of these posters
with all of the very detailed tidbits that people gave me to correct it. I
lost that in the move and haven't dived back into it -- too many projects
going!

Yes, I think I recall thinking that DG was later but that there was no way
to show it as a port without putting it in this list that did not really
conform to my initial purpose of tracing the mv query language from origin
through to today.
--dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Wjhonson  wrote:

>
> By the way, the Sequoia system wasn't quite called mvEnterprise quite so
> early as you're showing (seems to be 1995 ish).
> It was still being called just Sequoia.  I'm wondering if the odd
> name-change didn't occur until the company collapsed ?
> I mean there's no reason to try to "distinguish" mvEnterprise from mvBase
> until you're all folded into a single company right?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Wjhonson 
> To: u2-users 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
>
>
> he Sequel was followed by the "Super" Sequel which tested, at the time, the
> oundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users.
> he Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for
> those
> ho didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel.
> t wasn't a viable option for Sequel users to move to the Spirit, it was
> more
> he attempt to get into the "smaller" marketplace where you only needed 24
> ports
> r thereabouts.
> By the way the Super Sequel was three refrigerators, side by side.
> DP sold-in the Sequel, super Sequel and Spirit all three.  I don't really
> know
> hat kind of traction they got with the Spirit.
> hat was right about the time when they *suddenly* had 20 competitors in the
> ame space.
> Is there a way to make your picture bigger?
> y the way I don't think Data General ever installed software from Pick and
> ompany, but they did load Universe on several boxes.
>  wonder if there's a way to indicate that sort of distinction in your map?
> I want to say that DG didn't get into Pick until around 1990, but I'm not
> ertain of exactly the year.
> o if I'm right, they didn't come in with the hyenas under R83
>
>
> -Original Message-
> rom: Dawn Wolthuis 
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> ent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58 am
> ubject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
> ou are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in
>  diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so
> al at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream
> re were what folks at Microdata called the software or were "just"
> rdware?
> ttp://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf
> hanks.  --dawn
> n Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen  >wrote:
>  I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also
> software?
> Nice little machine...
>  I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!
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>  Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but
> pulling
> in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
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By the way, the Sequoia system wasn't quite called mvEnterprise quite so early 
as you're showing (seems to be 1995 ish).
It was still being called just Sequoia.  I'm wondering if the odd name-change 
didn't occur until the company collapsed ?
I mean there's no reason to try to "distinguish" mvEnterprise from mvBase until 
you're all folded into a single company right?






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he Sequel was followed by the "Super" Sequel which tested, at the time, the 
oundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users.
he Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for those 
ho didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel.
t wasn't a viable option for Sequel users to move to the Spirit, it was more 
he attempt to get into the "smaller" marketplace where you only needed 24 ports 
r thereabouts.
By the way the Super Sequel was three refrigerators, side by side.
DP sold-in the Sequel, super Sequel and Spirit all three.  I don't really know 
hat kind of traction they got with the Spirit.
hat was right about the time when they *suddenly* had 20 competitors in the 
ame space.
Is there a way to make your picture bigger?
y the way I don't think Data General ever installed software from Pick and 
ompany, but they did load Universe on several boxes.
 wonder if there's a way to indicate that sort of distinction in your map?
I want to say that DG didn't get into Pick until around 1990, but I'm not 
ertain of exactly the year.
o if I'm right, they didn't come in with the hyenas under R83


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ou are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in
 diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so
al at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream
re were what folks at Microdata called the software or were "just"
rdware?
ttp://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf
hanks.  --dawn
n Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote:
 I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also
software?
Nice little machine...
 I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!
 -Original Message-
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u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM
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 Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

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The Sequel was followed by the "Super" Sequel which tested, at the time, the 
boundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users.
The Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for those 
who didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel.
It wasn't a viable option for Sequel users to move to the Spirit, it was more 
the attempt to get into the "smaller" marketplace where you only needed 24 
ports or thereabouts.

By the way the Super Sequel was three refrigerators, side by side.
ADP sold-in the Sequel, super Sequel and Spirit all three.  I don't really know 
what kind of traction they got with the Spirit.
That was right about the time when they *suddenly* had 20 competitors in the 
same space.

Is there a way to make your picture bigger?
By the way I don't think Data General ever installed software from Pick and 
Company, but they did load Universe on several boxes.
I wonder if there's a way to indicate that sort of distinction in your map?

I want to say that DG didn't get into Pick until around 1990, but I'm not 
certain of exactly the year.
So if I'm right, they didn't come in with the hyenas under R83





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Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers


You are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in
y diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so
nal at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream
ere were what folks at Microdata called the software or were "just"
ardware?
http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf
Thanks.  --dawn
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote:
> I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also
 software?
 Nice little machine...

 I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!

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 Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
 in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

You are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in
my diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so
anal at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream
here were what folks at Microdata called the software or were "just"
hardware?

http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf

Thanks.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote:

> I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also
> software?
> Nice little machine...
>
> I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
> Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
> in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
> cheers!  --dawn
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Charles Stevenson]

That latest visit I mentioned was all about addressing the GOTO problem.
The updated manual has the vendor-authorized method of avoiding GOTOs.

On 9/9/2011 10:09 AM, George Gallen wrote:

He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment
Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor)

-Original Message-
From: Charles Stevenson

I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.

On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:

I guess he must be freelance.

Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:

That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!

-Original Message-
From:  Phil Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM

PVW is me Phil  Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

Not only did he use the first Go To, but also the first Return To
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Charlie Noah]

Wasn't Spirit the one with a natural language query processor? I 
remember a friend who was testing natural language and asked "What are 
the wages of sin?", to which the computer promptly responded "$46.50 per 
hour". It turns out there was an employee named John Sinn who earned, 
you guessed it, $46.50 per hour. I may have gotten the amount wrong, but 
you get the idea. Memory is the first thing to go!


Charlie Noah

On 09-09-2011 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote:

I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also 
software?
Nice little machine...

I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
cheers!  --dawn

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[John Thompson]

Slow or tired of striving, one of the two...

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM, George Gallen wrote:

> I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also
> software?
> Nice little machine...
>
> I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
> Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
> in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
> cheers!  --dawn
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also 
software?
Nice little machine...

I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday!

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
cheers!  --dawn

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
in some hardware would give us more terrific words, Prime (Pr1me) being near
and dear to my heart. Other words from the Family Tree poster are Climax,
GIRLS, ... so I can see this deteriorating if we expand the VOC (rhymes with
folk ;-) too much.
cheers!  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, George Gallen wrote:

> See added text at the end (...)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:
> u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
>
> Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
> must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
> Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
> must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could
> use
> the Information for my own Spirit as well, (while I'm still in my Prime).
>  --dawn
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Israel, John R.]

That was pretty good, Dawn!


John Israel
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Dayton Superior Corporation
1125 Byers Road
Miamisburg, OH  45342

-Original Message-
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use
the Information for my own Spirit as well.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Charles Stevenson  wrote:

> I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
> He left a rather hefty manual.
> It was updated after his last visit.
>
>
> On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
>
>> I guess he must be freelance.
>>
>> Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
>>
>>> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
>>> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Phil Walker
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
>>>
>>> PVW is me Phil  Walker
>>> DSM might be David Meeks
>>> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
>>> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
>>>
>>> Others cannot remember
>>>
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

See added text at the end (...)

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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use
the Information for my own Spirit as well, (while I'm still in my Prime).  
--dawn

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Bob Woodward]

AMEN

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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:01 AM
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Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos?
He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the
Universe
must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could
use
the Information for my own Spirit as well.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Charles Stevenson
 wrote:

> I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
> He left a rather hefty manual.
> It was updated after his last visit.
>
>
> On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
>
>> I guess he must be freelance.
>>
>> Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
>>
>>> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear
lot's
>>> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Phil Walker
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
>>>
>>> PVW is me Phil  Walker
>>> DSM might be David Meeks
>>> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
>>> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
>>>
>>> Others cannot remember
>>>
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

:)

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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use
the Information for my own Spirit as well.  --dawn

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dawn Wolthuis]

Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use
the Information for my own Spirit as well.  --dawn

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Charles Stevenson  wrote:

> I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
> He left a rather hefty manual.
> It was updated after his last visit.
>
>
> On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
>
>> I guess he must be freelance.
>>
>> Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
>>
>>> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
>>> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Phil Walker
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
>>>
>>> PVW is me Phil  Walker
>>> DSM might be David Meeks
>>> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
>>> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
>>>
>>> Others cannot remember
>>>
>>
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Bob Woodward]

"Read The Father's Manual?"

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:09 AM
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I heard he was the first to use "RTFM!".
 


>>> Charles Stevenson  9/9/2011 10:07 AM >>>
I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.

On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
> I guess he must be freelance.
>
> Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
>> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear
lot's
>> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Phil Walker
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
>>
>> PVW is me Phil  Walker
>> DSM might be David Meeks
>> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
>> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
>>
>> Others cannot remember

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Dan Fitzgerald]

If he used a GOTO, he got off easy...
 

> From: ggal...@wyanokegroup.com
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:09:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
> 
> He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment
> Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:07 AM
> To: U2 Users List
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
> 
> I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
> He left a rather hefty manual.
> It was updated after his last visit.
> 
> On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
> > I guess he must be freelance.
> >
> > Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
> >> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
> >> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Phil Walker
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
> >>
> >> PVW is me Phil Walker
> >> DSM might be David Meeks
> >> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
> >> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
> >>
> >> Others cannot remember
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment
   Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor)

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Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.

On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
> I guess he must be freelance.
>
> Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
>> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
>> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Phil Walker
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
>>
>> PVW is me Phil  Walker
>> DSM might be David Meeks
>> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
>> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
>>
>> Others cannot remember

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Robert Porter]

I heard he was the first to use "RTFM!".
 


>>> Charles Stevenson  9/9/2011 10:07 AM >>>
I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.

On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
> I guess he must be freelance.
>
> Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
>> That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
>> Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Phil Walker
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
>>
>> PVW is me Phil  Walker
>> DSM might be David Meeks
>> WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
>> JC Jesus Christ ;-)
>>
>> Others cannot remember

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Charles Stevenson]

I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.

On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:

I guess he must be freelance.

Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:

That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!

-Original Message-
From:  Phil Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM

PVW is me Phil  Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)

Others cannot remember


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[Glenn Sallis]

I guess he must be freelance.

Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:

That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
To: U2 Users List
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PVW is me Phil  Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[George Gallen]

That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's
Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

PVW is me Phil  Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)

Others cannot remember

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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Phil Walker]

PVW is me Phil  Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)

Others cannot remember

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Friday, 9 September 2011 12:26 p.m.
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
> 
> 
> In my copy of Acct.Stat.B the following programmer initials dating from 1992
> to 2000
> 
> PVW, WLC, AGM, JC, DJD, PEJ, SAP, DSM, LKS
> 
> anyone have long names ?
> 
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Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

[Wjhonson]

In my copy of Acct.Stat.B the following programmer initials dating from 1992 to 
2000

PVW, WLC, AGM, JC, DJD, PEJ, SAP, DSM, LKS

anyone have long names ?


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