[ubuntu-art] I will make a wiki page
Tomorrow or Tonight I will make the wiki talking about gFlat human dapper at gnome look.Now I have to go to University.Regards,lizardking-- iAc http://www.iacopomasi.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] can't edit wiki
On Wed, 2006-05-31 at 00:15 -0400, j Mak wrote: Billy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/DapperThemes?action=""> This was the page that was moved and renamed to something out of the ordinary. I suspect that is why I can't edit it. I was trying to change Dapper-Drake to Outdoors and update the links. http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/pre/Outdoors.jpg http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/pre/Outdoors-pre.png http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/Outdoors.tar.gz Can anyone else do it? I can edit any other normal page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperArtVoteResults -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art [Sorry, the first one went to the wrong place] I like this theme. Elegant. I just wonder how it would look with a slider having the same or similar color like the togglebutton1. J. Mak Thanks for the compliments! Changing the color of the slider troughs, makes the progressbar lonely, if you mean the range slider (volume control). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Default Background for Dapper
I'm new to the list so I searched but didn't find anything on this topic: Is "Ubuntu Sparkle" going to be the final default background? IMHO it's terribly dark and depressing and "Simple Human" makes me feel better :) I apologise if this matter has been discussed before (highly likely, but I like being a last minute devil's advocate)! Cheers, Jimmy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] can't edit wiki
Billy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/DapperThemes?action=""> This was the page that was moved and renamed to something out of the ordinary. I suspect that is why I can't edit it. I was trying to change Dapper-Drake to Outdoors and update the links. http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/pre/Outdoors.jpg http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/pre/Outdoors-pre.png http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/Outdoors.tar.gz Can anyone else do it? I can edit any other normal page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperArtVoteResults -- ubuntu-art mailing listubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art[Sorry, the first one went to the wrong place]I like this theme. Elegant. I just wonder how it would look with a slider having the same or similar color like the togglebutton1.J. Mak http://jozmak.googlepages.com All new Yahoo! Mail Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page.-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
On Tue, 2006-30-05 at 10:04 +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: > Please have a look at > http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether > such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open > usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have > planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. > > I can't give you the code yet as it depends on a few usplash patchs of > mine (filed as wishlist bug in LP), but the teaser screenshot should be > enough to get an impression. Dennis you are a genius! I think that your efforts are really going to help out the overall motion of Ubuntu artwork. The little details like this really help let a whole section of people contribute to Ubuntu. Amazing stuff! PS: How's that package gathering going regarding artwork related bunches? ;) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] can't edit wiki
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/DapperThemes?action=""> This was the page that was moved and renamed to something out of the ordinary. I suspect that is why I can't edit it. I was trying to change Dapper-Drake to Outdoors and update the links. http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/pre/Outdoors.jpg http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/pre/Outdoors-pre.png http://kwh.kernow-gb.com/~bvc/dapper-xubu/themes/external/Outdoors.tar.gz Can anyone else do it? I can edit any other normal page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperArtVoteResults -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
until then it may be good to start a "ubuntu art crit" wiki page and isolate key areas we're interested in getting feedback on, while leaving room for people's wider opinions to be voiced. Perhaps this should be done in tandem with a template for Ubuntu users who are feeling friendly to give us feedback - some kind of art-crit form template that we can post on the forums and get people to fill in. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] comments?
On 5/30/06, j Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It's a pity that nobody comments on the great stuff lizardking is working on. http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=40011 I think it is because many of the members of the group are focussed on building a structure for ubuntu-art, and more specifically to planning how we will organise the decisions related to Edgy artwork to allow this kind of idea to be formalised and realised. I feel we've had a general concensus that detailed discussion of what Edgy will look like should wait until this structure is clearer and how revo/evolutionary the theme will be is more certain. I think it would be a real shame if any of the great ideas we are having now 'go under' due to percieved lack of interest because their proposal hasn't come at the right time! Keep working on it, but be aware that the aims for Edgy are still to be defined! Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Gray fix
On 5/30/06, Lapo Calamandrei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi people, here's a quick fix to make the panel menu bar looks better using gray theme, see the screenshot attached: --- /usr/share/themes/Gray/gtk-2.0/gtkrc2006-05-30 10:48:40.0 +0200 +++ gtkrc2006-05-30 22:43: 01.0 +0200 @@ -1763,3 +1763,5 @@ # prevent Sodipodi from crashing class "SPColorSlider" style "unstyle" + +class "PanelMenuBar" style "unstyle" Something simila could be done for Resilience. Ciao Lapo I _think_ the way they look is intentional (at least I like it), I would call this more a style suggestion than a bug (if it is what I think it is, the colouration of the menus on the panel). Thanks for the fix - I'm very close to certain it's too late for Dapper even if it wasn't deateable - I'd like to see it considered as part of the Dapper evaluation :) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Gray fix
Hi people, here's a quick fix to make the panel menu bar looks better using gray theme, see the screenshot attached:--- /usr/share/themes/Gray/gtk-2.0/gtkrc 2006-05-30 10:48:40.0 +0200+++ gtkrc 2006-05-30 22:43: 01.0 +0200@@ -1763,3 +1763,5 @@ # prevent Sodipodi from crashing class "SPColorSlider" style "unstyle"++class "PanelMenuBar" style "unstyle" Something simila could be done for Resilience.CiaoLapo Gray.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] New themes are working fine
ubuntu-artwork_28 is out and incorporates the (now) working and newly revised themes. Chuck -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Firefox, Thunderbird theming?
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Jimmy Angelakos wrote: >> I know this is a very busy time, but I was wondering, would you >> consider it to be a good or bad idea to include Human themes for >> Firefox and Thunderbird in Ubuntu (and perhaps install them by default >> with the application)? As we're striving to identify Ubuntu with the >> Human theme, consider it a form of branding. > At this stage it looks like we were unable to get Frank Schoep's Human > theme installed in time for release, but it might go in as an update > post-release. That would be a great idea IMHO, especially if Frank or someone else makes a Thunderbird theme (yes, I know it's not the default client ;)) Cheers, Jimmy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] comments?
It's a pity that nobody comments on the great stuff lizardking is working on.http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=40011J. Mak http://jozmak.googlepages.com Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] realized edgy starter point
Hello, > Should I make a wiki page on ubuntu.com? Yes, create http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Drafts/YouArtwork using ArtworkTeam/PageTemplate . Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] realized edgy starter point
hello everybody,as said in the previous mail reflection, now I have worked hard con gflat engines like a starter point proposal to develop the next artwork. I have mixed the "one "color of dapper and the result are 2 major color: graphite black and light orange. The minor color is strong orange used for progressbar, tab selection and sliders. I give the theme a art touch by the gFlat engines in particular the "arrowed" progress bar and the lizard (eft) skin scrollbar. I have to combined the ubutulooks to use the checkbox, radio and similar beacuse I think are better. Someone could help me in this?Another improve is the arrow in the down menu. Image are more eloquent than 1000 words: - Now- Mockup improvment (I know is not a perfect mockup but I hope render the idea) So I improved color scheme from one to 2 +1 colors. I also Improvemento the frame and panel by the unification of the color. Moreover the buttons now are more like Lipstik kde-ish.Screenshots:- buttons , radio and checkbox - scroolbar and progressar and slider- selectionsDownload is hereAll is hosted at gnome-look.Should I make a wiki page on ubuntu.com?-- iAchttp://www.iacopomasi.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
..on Tue, May 30, 2006 at 02:51:45PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Julian Oliver wrote: > > i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, > > but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. > > if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head and > > plan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - both > > play with and critique a whole new OS for a day. > > > > I think this group would very much appreciate that sort of analysis, > especially if it could be folded into a single top down review of Human > as part of the Edgy planning process. ok great, i'll make it a priority to get in contact with a few design schools i am involved with (or have contacts within) and let you all know how i get on. if anyone else has any contacts within an academy in their area (even via a friend) let us know about it in this thread. until then it may be good to start a "ubuntu art crit" wiki page and isolate key areas we're interested in getting feedback on, while leaving room for people's wider opinions to be voiced. cheers, julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
That would be great! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
..on Wed, May 31, 2006 at 12:38:13AM +1000, Pascal Klein wrote: > > I'd like add that perhaps it would be useful, especially as a > comparison, to do a similar things to people who are new to Ubuntu and > do not have any design training ie. an average end-user. there's a good idea.. > > I think that asking end-users what they think of various design > elements, without describing the reasons for the interfaces and artwork > being done in the particular way done and noting the feedback and > comments would be good. > true, this would incorporate user feedback directly into the design process. keeping it real so to speak ;) > For example take a 50 year old person who uses computers to remain in > touch with his or her younger relatives via email and does online > browsing work such as banking or reading. Asking them about: > > * the artwork they like the most (icon set, metacity theme and so forth) > and why > * the way the menus are done and their contents > * names for features and functions > * colouration > * accessibility > > and so forth could be integrated here. > > Of course, I suppose such ventures have probably already been > undertaken, however I want to differ somewhat by suggesting asking them > [the user] about the artwork is just as important as asking them about > such issues as the accessibility. > true. i saw a clip a while back that i think Novell put together to document useability analysis sessions with people that had actually never touched Linux at all. it was truly cringe-worthy at times, but only because it revealed the extent of what any Linux user takes for granted. interestingly observing newbies often reveals alot of positive surprises. a member of my family that doesn't like computers at all found some peace with Ubuntu 6 months ago. when i asked her what she liked about it her first comment was "I like that I don't have to go to websites to install software". package managment cherished by the n00b? shock horror ;) julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
Julian Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi list,i think it may be useful to produce some objectivity on the state of theart at this stage. by this i mean offering Ubuntu art up for some rigorous external critique! as it stands the only feedback we get is from forum rants, the occassional article and friends. alot of this feedback is unspecific and lacking the kind of trained description.that is useful to the Ubuntu artists themselves.one context for doing this would be to introduce Ubuntu as the subjectof a design crit at a Design academy, where a big class of studentswould spend a day on the Live CD going through the art with afine-tooth-comb covering everything from colour palettes, icon design and distribution, overall continuity, interface semiotics - from boot to shutdown.perhaps we could open up a page on a wiki for them to edit directly,and provide topics with which to comment and grade aspects of the artwe're interested in hearing about. we could share this output withubuntu-desktop simultaneously.i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head andplan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - bothplay with and critique a whole new OS for a day.ideally we'd do this with a few schools at the same time. Great idea.J. Mak http://jozmak.googlepages.com Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 13:39 +0200, Julian Oliver wrote: > hi list, > > i think it may be useful to produce some objectivity on the state of the > art at this stage. by this i mean offering Ubuntu art up for some rigorous > external > critique! as it stands the only feedback we get is from forum rants, the > occassional article > and friends. alot of this feedback is unspecific and lacking the kind of > trained description. > that is useful to the Ubuntu artists themselves. > > one context for doing this would be to introduce Ubuntu as the subject > of a design crit at a Design academy, where a big class of students > would spend a day on the Live CD going through the art with a > fine-tooth-comb covering everything from colour palettes, icon design and > distribution, overall continuity, interface semiotics - from boot to shutdown. > > perhaps we could open up a page on a wiki for them to edit directly, > and provide topics with which to comment and grade aspects of the art > we're interested in hearing about. we could share this output with > ubuntu-desktop simultaneously. > > i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, > but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. > if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head and > plan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - both > play with and critique a whole new OS for a day. > > ideally we'd do this with a few schools at the same time. I think this is an excellent idea. I'd like add that perhaps it would be useful, especially as a comparison, to do a similar things to people who are new to Ubuntu and do not have any design training ie. an average end-user. I think that asking end-users what they think of various design elements, without describing the reasons for the interfaces and artwork being done in the particular way done and noting the feedback and comments would be good. For example take a 50 year old person who uses computers to remain in touch with his or her younger relatives via email and does online browsing work such as banking or reading. Asking them about: * the artwork they like the most (icon set, metacity theme and so forth) and why * the way the menus are done and their contents * names for features and functions * colouration * accessibility and so forth could be integrated here. Of course, I suppose such ventures have probably already been undertaken, however I want to differ somewhat by suggesting asking them [the user] about the artwork is just as important as asking them about such issues as the accessibility. > julian > Cheers and awesome idea. Pascal signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
Julian Oliver wrote: i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head and plan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - both play with and critique a whole new OS for a day. I think this group would very much appreciate that sort of analysis, especially if it could be folded into a single top down review of Human as part of the Edgy planning process. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
On di, 2006-05-30 at 14:09 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > hi, > Am Dienstag, den 30.05.2006, 13:44 +0200 schrieb Étienne Bersac: > > I know those limitation, but how does Red Hat and Apple to have > > translated boot texts ? My purpose is to improve software, because we > > are near the technical limit of used solutions. > > > > However, that will be discussed at Paris. > the boot texts come directly from the initscripts of the packages, in > case you want to translate them, you will need to touch some 100 > packages that have an initscript and make them transalatable. > i think the approach to show no text at all is a bit easier to achieve > for edgy, adding translatability here will likely take more than one > release unless we get a big bump in developer power :) I was thinking: why not do what gnome-app-install does. Collect information from other packages and put it in an usplash-data package, which can be easier translated. -- Dennis K. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
hi, Am Dienstag, den 30.05.2006, 13:44 +0200 schrieb Étienne Bersac: > I know those limitation, but how does Red Hat and Apple to have > translated boot texts ? My purpose is to improve software, because we > are near the technical limit of used solutions. > > However, that will be discussed at Paris. the boot texts come directly from the initscripts of the packages, in case you want to translate them, you will need to touch some 100 packages that have an initscript and make them transalatable. i think the approach to show no text at all is a bit easier to achieve for edgy, adding translatability here will likely take more than one release unless we get a big bump in developer power :) ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Hello, > The colors will be limited to the palette used in the png picture that > is the source for the theme. This is a limitation of vga16fb/bogl. > Currently the palette index of the used colors is hardcoded. My proposed > patches change that. Fancier progress bars require another patch. > > Hidden text is possible by setting the size of the text area to 0, > translation is not possible, this is a limitation of the > initscripts/sysvinit system. I know those limitation, but how does Red Hat and Apple to have translated boot texts ? My purpose is to improve software, because we are near the technical limit of used solutions. However, that will be discussed at Paris. Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] De Edgy Artwork reflection
Ben Pygall a écrit : > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 01:41 -0500, Billy wrote: >> On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 01:51 +0200, iacopo masi wrote: >>> I'm thinking about Edgy future artwork and Dapper has close the >>> Human theme cyles. >>> With edgy there will be a new reinvented from skratch artwork. >>> I like very much the new Orange Human expecilly the wallpaper and >>> the icons (both Human and Tangerine). >>> I put my opinion,my reflection in the next artwork. >>> Starting from other concorrential no open OS like Xp (Microsoft) and >>> Osx (Apple) we see that there is a big work on artwork. :D >>> Xp is tasted with a blue and green theme with yellow folder. Os x >>> with a light cyan, white and gray color scheme. >>> In this schemas there was not only a predominant color in the theme. >>> So the reproach to Human theme is "when a person looks ubuntu after >>> 2 minutes says: >>> ohh too much Brown (Breezy: wallpaper dark brow and brown gtk and >>> brown metacity) or Too orange (dapper: orange icons,gtk and >>> metacity) " >>> So do you consider that for edgy it will be better if there will be >>> like 2 or 3 color: like 2 major colors and 1 minor. It will be >>> beautiful to think at ubuntu and remember nature: so blue (sky), >>> green (grass), brown (tree). If this is too xp-ish it can be taken a >>> lot of color scheme. For example thinking at dapper, >>> my thought is that it was better if the metacity was of another >>> color than the orange. In this way the eye could rest and than all >>> theme could be less boring and heavy. Ispirating by Ubuntu logo it >>> is possibile to make the metacity of a black color and mixing the >>> black color also in the wallpaper. for dapper we could have mix >>> orange, black and sand begie. So I hope in edgy will be not only a >>> predomint color but at lease two with variations. >>> About the gtk I consider that we must continue to work with engines >>> doing a synthesis of all best: I will take checkbox and V check form >>> ubuntulooks, scrollbar and progress bar form gFlat engines (rezlooks >>> modified) and tab and panel from Clearlooks. However a lot of good >>> work has been done with wonderful ubuntulooks. >>> So at the end I consider that we can make a personal ,special, >>> recognizable and enviable look and feel mixing cairo animation >>> taking the best from various engines, innvoative (not blue) colore >>> schema but not boring and a touch of art. >>> >>> Regards, >>> lizardking > > Another vote for more than one desktop theme. Given the number of people > who like to contribute art and the time available, it makes sense to me > if possible to give people a choice. After all, is this not partly what > the free software movement is all about. I support this idea too, since iacopo masi has written here what I had in mind for the last two months without being able to formulate it: too much of one color-orange (although a lovely orange). As an example of plural-color GUI, one could have a look to Charamel theme for firefox/thunderbird. With two main colors (white and beige) and one secondary blue-and smooth shadows- the GUI looks professionnal and is actually very usable. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] // External opinions on Ubuntu Art //
hi list, i think it may be useful to produce some objectivity on the state of the art at this stage. by this i mean offering Ubuntu art up for some rigorous external critique! as it stands the only feedback we get is from forum rants, the occassional article and friends. alot of this feedback is unspecific and lacking the kind of trained description. that is useful to the Ubuntu artists themselves. one context for doing this would be to introduce Ubuntu as the subject of a design crit at a Design academy, where a big class of students would spend a day on the Live CD going through the art with a fine-tooth-comb covering everything from colour palettes, icon design and distribution, overall continuity, interface semiotics - from boot to shutdown. perhaps we could open up a page on a wiki for them to edit directly, and provide topics with which to comment and grade aspects of the art we're interested in hearing about. we could share this output with ubuntu-desktop simultaneously. i lecture and give workshops at a few Design academies around the EU, but focus more on interactive art and game development using FOSS. if there was interest, i could talk it over with a department head and plan a day-long class excercise. i think students would love it - both play with and critique a whole new OS for a day. ideally we'd do this with a few schools at the same time. julian -- __ _ ___ ___| |___ __| |_ _ __ __ _ _ _| |__ ___ (_-http://selectparks.net/~julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
On di, 2006-05-30 at 12:52 +0200, Étienne Bersac wrote: > Hello, > > > Please have a look at > > http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether > > such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open > > usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have > > planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. > > That's very good. But is it possible to improve usplash theme format ? > especially to had fancy effect such as mng, theme progress bar, define > colors not using a convention of palette order, translation, hidden > text, etc. ? The colors will be limited to the palette used in the png picture that is the source for the theme. This is a limitation of vga16fb/bogl. Currently the palette index of the used colors is hardcoded. My proposed patches change that. Fancier progress bars require another patch. Hidden text is possible by setting the size of the text area to 0, translation is not possible, this is a limitation of the initscripts/sysvinit system. -- Dennis K. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Hello, > Please have a look at > http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether > such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open > usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have > planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. That's very good. But is it possible to improve usplash theme format ? especially to had fancy effect such as mng, theme progress bar, define colors not using a convention of palette order, translation, hidden text, etc. ? Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Op 30-mei-2006, om 11:14 heeft Gossler Karoly het volgende geschreven: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts.tar.gz Can you use this? connor ps: sorry. My previous msg goes to private. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm at work right now, unfortunately, but I'll definitely look into it tonight. Seems like that tarball has a LOT of fonts. I'll see if xmbdfed can merge those files so that we can provide all necessary glyphs. Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Michiel Sikma írta: > > Op 30-mei-2006, om 10:49 heeft Gossler Karoly het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi, >> >> >>> P.S.: like I've talked about earlier, both here and in the >>> Ubuntu-devel list, I really think that we should replace the current >>> usplash BDF font with a new one. I already created one a while back >>> which was monospaced. It was too late to get one in for Dapper, but >>> is it possible to sneak in something like that in a Dapper update, or >>> would this be considered to be too big of a change; something an >>> update should not do? >> >> I should be glad if the new font will be an utf8 BDF font. >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalizedStartup >> >> I made this feature, but the utf isn't supported yet. :( >> >> --connor >> >> > > BDF fonts are pixel fonts, and it would take an unearthly amount of time > to make glyphs for all required characters. Maybe someone could make a > pixel dump of FreeSans at the same size as whatever font we will use for > usplash and then merge it with a manually remastered version of the most > used glyphs? http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts.tar.gz Can you use this? connor ps: sorry. My previous msg goes to private. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Op 30-mei-2006, om 10:23 heeft Dennis Kaarsemaker het volgende geschreven: The thing is, though, that I feel most people would rather work on doing more revisions to the usplash appearance rather than just a new image for the next release cycle. I too have plans, though not as radically new as some other people's plans, but they involve more things that just changes within the currently existing frame. Could you tell me more? Well, I have still to think about exactly what I'd like to get done for Edgy, but I think that it would be a good idea to get a more graphically interesting progress bar in, ditch most of the text that's in there right now since I believe that the end user would not like seeing that sort of thing. Of course, this is all very preliminary and uncertain. But I do think that some of such things are likely to be proposed by the art team in the future. P.S.: like I've talked about earlier, both here and in the Ubuntu- devel list, I really think that we should replace the current usplash BDF font with a new one. I already created one a while back which was monospaced. It was too late to get one in for Dapper, but is it possible to sneak in something like that in a Dapper update, or would this be considered to be too big of a change; something an update should not do? Maybe in backports. Could you send me the font so I can experiment a bit with it (and add it to my patches to make the life of usplash maintainers easier since they were planning to integrate it in edgy). -- Dennis K. The font can be found here: http://omega.avalanchestudios.net/ personal/dropbox/usplash/new/Usplash_Mono.bdf If it's possible that it can be included in a later update, I would prefer adding some more characters and doing some minor fixes for it first, though. Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
On di, 2006-05-30 at 10:11 +0200, Michiel Sikma wrote: > That looks really cool. I, for one, would have totally liked being > able to preview my usplash like that and also convert it to a package > with a single click. Great job! It converts to code-to-integrate-into-a-package, not a standalone package. > The thing is, though, that I feel most people would rather work on > doing more revisions to the usplash appearance rather than just a new > image for the next release cycle. I too have plans, though not as > radically new as some other people's plans, but they involve more > things that just changes within the currently existing frame. Could you tell me more? > It still looks like an awesome piece of software, though, and it will > be very useful in the future, without a doubt. Does it also fix > palettes? That in particular is a tedious task. No, as input it currently takes either .so files or png images of correct size and number of colors. It is not an image editor, there are much better tools for that than a simple few-hundred lines of python :) > P.S.: like I've talked about earlier, both here and in the Ubuntu- > devel list, I really think that we should replace the current usplash > BDF font with a new one. I already created one a while back which was > monospaced. It was too late to get one in for Dapper, but is it > possible to sneak in something like that in a Dapper update, or would > this be considered to be too big of a change; something an update > should not do? Maybe in backports. Could you send me the font so I can experiment a bit with it (and add it to my patches to make the life of usplash maintainers easier since they were planning to integrate it in edgy). -- Dennis K. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
On di, 2006-05-30 at 09:11 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: > > Please have a look at > > http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether > > such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open > > usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have > > planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. > > > > That looks fantastic! Thanks :) Please help me push my theming patches into edgy (and for the artists breezy-backports wil be useful too) then ;) -- Dennis K. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Op 30-mei-2006, om 10:04 heeft Dennis Kaarsemaker het volgende geschreven: Hi all, Please have a look at http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. I can't give you the code yet as it depends on a few usplash patchs of mine (filed as wishlist bug in LP), but the teaser screenshot should be enough to get an impression. -- Dennis K. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey Dennis, That looks really cool. I, for one, would have totally liked being able to preview my usplash like that and also convert it to a package with a single click. Great job! The thing is, though, that I feel most people would rather work on doing more revisions to the usplash appearance rather than just a new image for the next release cycle. I too have plans, though not as radically new as some other people's plans, but they involve more things that just changes within the currently existing frame. It still looks like an awesome piece of software, though, and it will be very useful in the future, without a doubt. Does it also fix palettes? That in particular is a tedious task. Michiel P.S.: like I've talked about earlier, both here and in the Ubuntu- devel list, I really think that we should replace the current usplash BDF font with a new one. I already created one a while back which was monospaced. It was too late to get one in for Dapper, but is it possible to sneak in something like that in a Dapper update, or would this be considered to be too big of a change; something an update should not do? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote: Please have a look at http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. That looks fantastic! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] On the art of creating usplash images
Hi all, Please have a look at http://www.kaarsemaker.net/images/usplash-viewer.png and tell me whether such an application would be useful to you. Currently it can open usplash .so files, display them and change paameters. What I have planned is a big 'convert this png into an usplash library' button. I can't give you the code yet as it depends on a few usplash patchs of mine (filed as wishlist bug in LP), but the teaser screenshot should be enough to get an impression. -- Dennis K. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] usplash came out great
Op 30-mei-2006, om 9:02 heeft Chuck Huber het volgende geschreven: Booting up this morning I noticed the usplash is looking sexy with it's new tangerine color. I can't recall the artist offhand, but nice work. Chuck -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art That would be me. Thanks! I'm very flattered. :) Hopefully I'll get more neat stuff in for the next cycle. Michiel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] usplash came out great
Booting up this morning I noticed the usplash is looking sexy with it's new tangerine color. I can't recall the artist offhand, but nice work. Chuck -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
