Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 05:07:37 Brian Fleeger wrote: Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger Until now the biggest problem with getting more pics in has been the size of the CD image. In Hardy we included one extra pic and I was hoping on including one or two more this time as well. I'd also like to go through the gnome themes and remove all the older, outdated ones and include some nicer, newer stuff...perhaps that would be a subject on which everyone could vote. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 18:26:17 Ashton wrote: I'll say it again, we are testing a dark theme to find out whether it is even possible to use one or not. Getting this message out before the alpha release would have been a good idea, in retrospect. I know there is no way to avoid TehMobMind over at Digg and the inevitable comments from people who hold a bizarre fascination with their own feces, the endlessly clever guesses about what the next build code name should be, etc...but some of the other comments might have been tempered if the writer at Ars was more informed (not that anyone at Digg would RTFA) about the goals of the dark theme. (Actually, I think the Ars piece was acceptable) To be quite honest, I mentioned in the changelog that this is just for testing and didn't realize how many non-developers would actually look at the alpha. Live and learn :-) My assumption now is that the normal human theme (the murrine version, hopefully) is what we will fall back to unless a decison can be reached to change that. Ken Alphas should absolutely be a place for playing around with ideas, testing concepts...I don't think Digg or even Ars should be given room to discourage experimentation. Some PlanetUbuntu posts might have helped. And I'm wondering about the feasibility of some kind of doc/readme, slide show, or even pre-loaded Tomboy note, that would pop up or sit on the desktop only in the alphas, which would explain some of these things as well as whatever other changes Ubuntu might be looking into. With this release we are exploring ... with this app, that app, and so on. Any constructive criticism should be left at such and such place...blah blah. If you have this hardware or that hardware we are particularly interested in your experiences with blah-de-blah...Thanks for trying this build and aiding in the growth of such and such. EveOnline and other endeavors suffer the same kind of ZOMG I'm not participating anymore because things have changed!!! and even when they try to be open and transparent by making use of dev blogs, audio interviews, video interviews, (and in EveOnline's case an oft ignored test server)...these reactions still exist. But at least they can point to some effort to keep users informed. Whether users chose to read, listen, or view the material is another matter. What you end up with are the informed vs the uninformed, and they can duke it out with each other. Seems like most of this info is out there in different places for each project. Having it gathered together and presented clearly and succinctly - not talking about pages of technical info here, thinking about the kind of thing displayed during an XP install...but more informative...um, and not during the install - would get a more useful response out of the community, instead of death threats, insults, and Mob fear reaction. NOW, for my question. :) If the dark theme is an experiment, what is the fallback? Is it unity? Something else entirely? Ashton On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:17 AM, SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see the comments Julian - but I have some expertize in design so I can recognize values on that kind of things - so if someone wrote something - must be true ..hmm, ...just because ???. for example if I remember well WE agreed on the past to not consider comments like : That theme is a show stopper. Eww.. OR Yeah. That theme makes me want to puke... I won't even give Ubuntu 8.10 a try if it ships with that crap as a default theme. OR We thought you were Cuckoo for Coco Puffs not Horny for Linux OR Jumping Jackrabbits! Is someone has something to say ..arguments please, ... else millions of other forums wait out somewhere. On other hands, Ibex internal GUI team make not just big - but a huge mistake - all that peoples who think that a dark theme will succeed for a distro who wants to touch the mainstream - public institutions, enterprises and in general a large scale public - they just wrong. I like the theme, it's ok - but my professional opinion vote down. Sorry. I dream for an ...every people Ubuntu. On his most generously shape. This theme is perfect suitable for artists or for Gnome fans with some free time. To have a dark theme ( being the theme about we talk one other one, is unproductive - think about to peoples which work with forms everyday... U see, I not agree with a dark default theme too - because I am from the Design / GUI design area ( I got my money doing that ) but I make the difference - I know such kind of themes will not become too popular for the masses - but particularly I like the theme ( for me ), except the dark scrollbars and the pressed gnome buttons that are not very clear defined, so I give just an advice to author. Back to the the living beans planet, in forums I like explain my points of view and to stay away from my primary impulses (
Re: [ubuntu-art] Liberation Fonts
On Monday 30 June 2008 23:21:55 Ashton wrote: I've loaded up Segoe and other fonts in the past. They look great, of course, but there are some areas where I try to stick with open, and um, tolerable solutions...When I first subbed Lib sans for Sans, I felt it was an improvement. I realize everyone is going to prefer one over another, though, and have no problem setting it up myself, until something better comes along. I believe Linux Mint uses Lib Sans as default sys font...or did at one point. Haven't checked Mint out in a long time. In addition to the look of the font it is also important that the font have as many characters as possible so that people who speak other languages also get all that goodness...let's not forget that aspect. Ken A bit hypocritical since I use plenty of other non-free solutions for various things...but yeah, who knows why we do the tings we do? Máirín Duffy, art dev at Fedora, has a study of fonts and licensing that someone might find interesting:http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/fonts/ I don't know what Fedora Sulphur is using as default sys font, though. Is it Liberation? Ashton On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will suggest using specifically any Humanist Sans Serif font for the system theme. I will be on the look out for an open source font that follows this description. Example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frutiger.svg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Myriadsp.svg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NewHuman feedback
On Tuesday 01 July 2008 20:26:46 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: Hi Kenneth and the rest of the list, A thread with a descriptive title for once. Sorry about that. I've now been dogfooding NewHuman on my Hardy box for a few days. Here's what I've gathered: Reactions - * My GMail in firefox does not look particularly good anymore. This goes for most web pages with native widgets in them. I don't see any easy solution to fix this in a dark theme. For Gmail atleast nudging the base brown color a tad towards the lighter gray makes it more in line with the GMail colors. Sorry to be so GMail centric, the same idea should apply to many other websites. I have started a wiki page in which you can list problem apps...check out: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/NewHumanTesting * The top line for the active window in the metacity theme is really cool and a clever idea. Disregarding that it does however get a little on my nerves when I read my window titles. I tried inversing the gradient in the attached screenshot. Now let's see how that fares for a few days :-) Hrm, that is interesting as well. I made the current verison based on mockups that I had made during the hardy cycle. All in all the biggest thing that bugs me about the window decoration is the fact that one doesn't know exactly where to click to move the window. The buttons need some work too though :-) * As noted elsewhere the scrollbar handles are too hard to see for my olde eyes * Ditto for tabs in firefox. All the backgrounded tabs appear as a black haze to me Indeed, both the scrollbars and the tabs need work. * The color of the menu highlight strikes me as especially pleasing each time I open a menu. Love it. * Curved highlights on menu items appear out of place compared to the über cool matte buttons Yeah, might be too much gloss there...easy to change as that is a simple theme option. Engine Ideas I have a few ideas that require changes in the engine. If I can get it working without to much hazzle I'll look at the following (having upstream as patch target - NOT a fork!): * Make tab highlights match the window border highlights That sounds very interesting. * Generally highlights everywhere to match window decoration in some way. Menu item, button hover, etc. * Any other ideas (that are likely to not require much work)? Conclusions -- * Solid start for venturing into dark-theme-territory. * I am still not convinced that all-out-dark themes are good on the whole. They strain my eyes in the long run, and many web sites look weird with dark controls. These are unfixable problems. Yes, and I am 99% sure that we will revert this before the beta. For now, it is just for testing (I know you probably have heard that by now but I just keep repeating it!). * I believe that the New Wave guys are on to something. A hybrid dark, gray, light theme with orange highlights can work very well. This makes it possible to loose the dark controls in web pages. Yes, it does look pretty interesting indeed! Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Hey. I've been looking around for some other fonts to try: *DejaVu Sans condensed, with slight or no hinting. IMO, just making the default font condensed makes it look better. *Droid Sans, http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender --I really like this one, but I'm not sure about licensing. *Aurulent Sans, http://www.geocities.com/hartke01/ --I'm not sure if this can handle international characters. :D -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about licensing ok? Salane [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Kido Mariano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey. I've been looking around for some other fonts to try: *DejaVu Sans condensed, with slight or no hinting. IMO, just making the default font condensed makes it look better. *Droid Sans, http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender--I really like this one, but I'm not sure about licensing. *Aurulent Sans, http://www.geocities.com/hartke01/ --I'm not sure if this can handle international characters. :D -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about licensing ok? Salane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a license in it: License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender Corporation and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. Except as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font software. If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you received with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. Contact Information: Ascender Corporation Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about licensing ok? Salane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a license in it: License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender Corporation and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. Except as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font software. If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you received with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. Contact Information: Ascender Corporation Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Since you have an official canonical email, would you do this Ken? Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about licensing ok? Salane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a license in it: License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender Corporation and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. Except as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font software. If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you received with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. Contact Information: Ascender Corporation Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you have an official canonical email, would you do this Ken? Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 14:43:21 Salane Ashcraft wrote: I am impressed... I especially like Droid Sans... lets find out about licensing ok? Salane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although it says it is under the apache license the download includes no license so it is not free at all. The font itself appears to have a license in it: License URL: http://ascendercorp.com/eula10.html License: This font software is the valuable property of Ascender Corporation and/or its suppliers and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. This font software is licensed to you by Ascender Corporation for your personal or business use on up to five personal computers. You may not use this font software on more than five personal computers unless you have obtained a license from Ascender to do so. Except as specifically permitted by the license, you may not copy this font software. If you have any questions, please review the license agreement you received with this font software, and/or contact Ascender Corporation. Contact Information: Ascender Corporation Web http://www.ascendercorp.com/ So it is not free and we cannot use it (yet). Btw, droid is made by the same company that made the liberation fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Bob Hope - Middle age is when your age starts to show around your middle. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc ender Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, but is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:33:09 Salane Ashcraft wrote: Since you have an official canonical email, would you do this Ken? Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really really like Droid... I think we should email the corporation and ask them if they would consider open sourcing it- its worth a try! Salane They are going to open source it (under the apache license) but it is not clear yet when. From what I understand, as soon as android is ready for the public it'll be officialy licensed. I've already asked around inside canonical to see if anyone has a contact person through which we can find out at least the release date, if not a special permission to use it already. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Ah. Didn't look deep enough to see which came first. (droid or android) I assumed they were paying for it though. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc ender Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, but is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Thanks Kenneth - I think if it will be open source, we should use it as the system font, and then use Liberation for the sans, serif, and mono fonts system wide. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah. Didn't look deep enough to see which came first. (droid or android) I assumed they were paying for it though. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 17:46:14 Ashton wrote: Droid is also being used in Google's Android project. http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-asc ender Hehe, droid gets it's name from android and is not just being used in it, but is being paid for by google specifically for this purpose. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for everything... Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and very condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use the liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity to the MS fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the importance/convenience. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for everything... Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and very condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use the liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity to the MS fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:18:06 Ashton wrote: So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the importance/convenience. From what I have read it is very good. Alas, I am also not an internationalization expert so I will refer this discussion to those in the company who are. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Erm, I suppose an easy test would be to open up OpenOffice, and compare two identical paragraphs using the two fonts to see if they break in the same place...in regard to the metrics...durf. Like I said, no font expert. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the importance/convenience. Ashton On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:04:37 Salane Ashcraft wrote: So I just looked at it again- we could possibly just use Droid fonts for everything... Right, I have been using them on my desktop and they are pretty nice (and very condensed). I think that OOo and other such office apps should still use the liberation fonts as document fonts (if possible) due to their similarity to the MS fonts. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Will Rogers - I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need gtkrc help. Panel effect for Studio theme.
Please Please Please, don't skin the panel, some (stupidly in my opinion) programs use it as a repeated background for some of their windows (such as the alacarte menu editor when you are editing the properties of a launcher), and it looks truly awful and incredibly unprofessional. I don't know this for sure but I assume this is why the gutsy ubuntu studio theme decided not to do this. Alternatively you could file this as a bug in alacarte and any other programs which do this and hopefully get it changed. Mick 2008/7/2 Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all. I'm tinkering with the Feisty Studio theme. Thinking of bringing it back with a facelift. I need help getting a look though. Studio always skins the panel in it's themes. But adding the background manually through the panel options gives a different effect that using the theme. I would like to get the look of adding it manually, but in the theme. Here's what I'm trying to do: http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6104/paneltestro0.png Now, since I also control all the settings for Studio I could set this with a gconf key but it would set the panel for any theme someone used. This is not ideal. So, is there a way to get the look of the top example *in* the theme? Links to themes that do this are appreciated as well. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need gtkrc help. Panel effect for Studio theme.
Michael Stephenson wrote: 2008/7/2 Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all. I'm tinkering with the Feisty Studio theme. Thinking of bringing it back with a facelift. I need help getting a look though. Studio always skins the panel in it's themes. But adding the background manually through the panel options gives a different effect that using the theme. I would like to get the look of adding it manually, but in the theme. Here's what I'm trying to do: http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6104/paneltestro0.png Now, since I also control all the settings for Studio I could set this with a gconf key but it would set the panel for any theme someone used. This is not ideal. So, is there a way to get the look of the top example *in* the theme? Links to themes that do this are appreciated as well. -Cory \m/ https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Please Please Please, don't skin the panel, some (stupidly in my opinion) programs use it as a repeated background for some of their windows (such as the alacarte menu editor when you are editing the properties of a launcher), and it looks truly awful and incredibly unprofessional. Not my problem. Apps need to do things right. *And* Studio's theme doesnt suffer from the issues you mention as we have work arounds. I don't know this for sure but I assume this is why the gutsy ubuntu studio theme decided not to do this. Studio's panels have been skinned since it's creation. Alternatively you could file this as a bug in alacarte and any other programs which do this and hopefully get it changed. Mick I do. And often. ;) Please Please Please don't give opinions like this to questions of a technical nature. I'm looking for tech answers. Not ascetic opinion. Things like this are reasons why I never *usually* ask on this list. No need to respond to this. I'm just looking for a clear answer to my query. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
For what it is worth, I have seen Android's simplified and traditional Chinese (Mandarin) fonts, and they were beautiful/extremely clear (I am a Mandarin linguist by profession). -Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 1:21:02 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:18:06 Ashton wrote: So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the importance/convenience. From what I have read it is very good. Alas, I am also not an internationalization expert so I will refer this discussion to those in the company who are. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Well, other than the outdated themes, there are two other major areas that I can recommend trimming some fat: the massive overstock of built-in screensavers; and the bloat of outdated games. Sorry to say it, but when was the last time anybody really needed to change their screensavers avery day for two years and never repeat? ;) But seriously, most of those screensavers and games are pretty ugly and/or not fun. I can't think the space might not be better used elsewhere, like including better wallpapers, which people do change frequently. Anybody else want to chime in on areas that could be trimmed? Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:44:41 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? On Wednesday 02 July 2008 05:07:37 Brian Fleeger wrote: Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger Until now the biggest problem with getting more pics in has been the size of the CD image. In Hardy we included one extra pic and I was hoping on including one or two more this time as well. I'd also like to go through the gnome themes and remove all the older, outdated ones and include some nicer, newer stuff...perhaps that would be a subject on which everyone could vote. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
These things are not art related... ou would have to bring this up with the other development teams if we decided to include more wallpapers. Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, other than the outdated themes, there are two other major areas that I can recommend trimming some fat: the massive overstock of built-in screensavers; and the bloat of outdated games. Sorry to say it, but when was the last time anybody really needed to change their screensavers avery day for two years and never repeat? ;) But seriously, most of those screensavers and games are pretty ugly and/or not fun. I can't think the space might not be better used elsewhere, like including better wallpapers, which people do change frequently. Anybody else want to chime in on areas that could be trimmed? Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:44:41 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? On Wednesday 02 July 2008 05:07:37 Brian Fleeger wrote: Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger Until now the biggest problem with getting more pics in has been the size of the CD image. In Hardy we included one extra pic and I was hoping on including one or two more this time as well. I'd also like to go through the gnome themes and remove all the older, outdated ones and include some nicer, newer stuff...perhaps that would be a subject on which everyone could vote. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Salene -- Thanks, you are right to point out it is not art related. However, the two areas I point out have been the object of many legitimate critiques in the past from many press reviews of Ubuntu and in many a forum. I do not think I am the first person to notice this. From a design perspective, sometimes what you leave out is more important than what you include. Ken -- you sit at many tables and wear many hats; is cleaning up excess material something you could/would pass on to relevent parties? If this in not within your range of authority, that is okay. My only intention is to make Ubuntu a better end product. Regards, Brian - Original Message From: Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 7:33:44 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? These things are not art related... ou would have to bring this up with the other development teams if we decided to include more wallpapers. Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, other than the outdated themes, there are two other major areas that I can recommend trimming some fat: the massive overstock of built-in screensavers; and the bloat of outdated games. Sorry to say it, but when was the last time anybody really needed to change their screensavers avery day for two years and never repeat? ;) But seriously, most of those screensavers and games are pretty ugly and/or not fun. I can't think the space might not be better used elsewhere, like including better wallpapers, which people do change frequently. Anybody else want to chime in on areas that could be trimmed? Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:44:41 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? On Wednesday 02 July 2008 05:07:37 Brian Fleeger wrote: Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the Desktop Background Submissions page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into edit mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger Until now the biggest problem with getting more pics in has been the size of the CD image. In Hardy we included one extra pic and I was hoping on including one or two more this time as well. I'd also like to go through the gnome themes and remove all the older, outdated ones and include some nicer, newer stuff...perhaps that would be a subject on which everyone could vote. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Brian Fleeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it is worth, I have seen Android's simplified and traditional Chinese (Mandarin) fonts, and they were beautiful/extremely clear (I am a Mandarin linguist by profession). That's great! Ubuntu is all about having everyone being able to use it, and this might help push ubuntu onto shelves! -- Will Rogers - I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
