[ubuntu-art] Themers wanted for Long Term Vision in Launchpad

2008-07-03 Thread Brian Fleeger
Hi all,

I just made launchpad team and project sites for the Long Term Vision concept 
submission.  

Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Long_Term_Vision 
Launchpad Team:https://edge.launchpad.net/~long-term-vision-theme-team
Launchpad Project:https://launchpad.net/long-term-vision

I would like one or more (experienced) theme artists to collaborate in 
developing this concept.  I am a linguist by trade and an artist by hobby, but 
have no skills in programming and/or theming.   I am very flexible in terms of 
accepting new direction if I think something is a good idea, so anybody that is 
interested would have quite a bit of influence in the final look and feel of 
the product.  Nothing in LTV is written in stone, not even if it is to be a 
light or dark theme.

Even if you do not wish to contribute to the team directly, all are welcome to 
join the team just to take part in any polls we conduct.  After all, the larger 
the sample, the closer to the general population when it comes to judging 
consumer taste.  The group's list-serve email should be approved and up and 
running shortly.

Also, if anyone looks at the project's Blueprints page and can recommend 
someone else to fill some needed roles, please do a guy a favor and pass the 
word! ;)

Best,
Brian Fleeger



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread shadowh511
I agree with the screensavers, half of them just fail
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread Brian Fleeger
>Actually, I can look into removing some screensavers and stuff. I'll talk to 
>some people and see what the possiblities are.

That's great!  I have a theory that so many screensavers are included by 
default not because there is an army of ardent supporters advocating their 
inclusion, but because they are part of some upstream programs that nobody has 
thought to remove yet.  Swapping them out for some more included wallpapers 
will really improve the user experience.  The first act of personalization for 
most users is to change the wallpapers, and the first place most users go to do 
that is the included alternate wallpaper folder.

Thanks, 
Brian



- Original Message 
From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork 
Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 5:31:34 AM
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with 
This?

On Thursday 03 July 2008 03:16:33 Brian Fleeger wrote:
> Salene -- Thanks, you are right to point out it is not art related.
>
> However, the two areas I point out have been the object of many legitimate
> critiques in the past from many press reviews of Ubuntu and in many a
> forum.  I do not think I am the first person to notice this.  From a design
> perspective, sometimes what you leave out is more important than what you
> include.
>
>
> Ken -- you sit at many tables and wear many hats; is cleaning up excess
> material something you could/would pass on to relevent parties?  If this in
> not within your range of authority, that is okay.  My only intention is to
> make Ubuntu a better end product.
>

Actually, I can look into removing some screensavers and stuff. I'll talk to 
some people and see what the possiblities are.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread David
Well, if coding it is the issue, there's not really that much to do. I
realize we can't put the buttons at the bottom, but a significant portion of
that screenshot is doable. The colors scheme and the emerald theme are what
I'm talking about.

http://cookieofdoom.com/images/kith_ibex_working_sorta.png

In that screenshot I've got Hardy running with a modified version of the
Human-Murrine theme in place. I'm using a custom panel background (I don't
really like it, but if anyone wants it, just let me know), the wallpaper
from the wiki page, and an emerald theme I found on Gnome-look, and the
orange oxygen refit 2 from Gnome-look. The only problem I have with it is
that the buttons don't look quite right in Gmail (which is why I usually use
human-clearlooks, I just wanted to show that murrine supported it as well).
That's not just a mockup, it's what's currently running on my laptop.

I think most of the theme is doable without too much work, which is good
since we seem to be running out of time. The Artwork deadline is 2 months
away, I believe.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:46 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If we go orange again, I think that Kith Intrepid is probably the best one
>> out there. The only trouble is that it might be a bit loud for some people.
>> I personally love it, and have been using a setup very close to it on my own
>> computer. If something like this could be coded in such a way as to allow
>> the user to change colors at will (effecting the panels, gtk theme, and
>> emerald theme), I think this could really be the best option. I'd suggest
>> using Murrine as it seems to be the most customizable (though I'm no
>> expert), and it will support ARGB for future releases (or this one if it
>> proves stable).
>
>
> Kith Intrepid is an interesting concept, but that's the problem - it's a
> concept. It has not developed beyond the mockup stage, and the actual
> mockups focus more on what would be coded in Metacity rather than GTK! We
> would need to see a sample application with actual widgets visible such as
> "The Widget Factory" to really know the style and intent of "Kith".
>
> As for the buttons at the bottom of windows - it's not possible with GTK,
> as that area is reserved in applications (GtkStatusbar). This is another
> mockup that requires a major architectural change to GTK (and many
> applications) - and while it may be worth persuing, it's not likely to
> happen.
>
> Having said all that, I somewhat like the colour scheme :).
>
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[ubuntu-art] Being Loud

2008-07-03 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If we go orange again, I think that Kith Intrepid is probably the best one
> out there. The only trouble is that it might be a bit loud for some people.
> I personally love it, and have been using a setup very close to it on my own
> computer.

After dapper was Edgy and I remember Mark's announcement describing it
as a release that was going to be very cutting edge, both visually and
in the technologies it incorporated. I personally applaud this
attitude.

I vote for being bold and toning things down as the next LTS approaches.

>From http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy:
Intrepid means: Audacious, invulnerable to fear or intimidation

I can see the box now:

WARNING: Not for the faint of heart!
OPEN AT YOUR OWN RISK

p.s. My current views could be due to the fact that I'm only two hours
from a three day weekend, so maybe my opinion will be different on
Monday. :-)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread Conn
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:46 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If we go orange again, I think that Kith Intrepid is probably the best one
> out there. The only trouble is that it might be a bit loud for some people.
> I personally love it, and have been using a setup very close to it on my own
> computer. If something like this could be coded in such a way as to allow
> the user to change colors at will (effecting the panels, gtk theme, and
> emerald theme), I think this could really be the best option. I'd suggest
> using Murrine as it seems to be the most customizable (though I'm no
> expert), and it will support ARGB for future releases (or this one if it
> proves stable).


Kith Intrepid is an interesting concept, but that's the problem - it's a
concept. It has not developed beyond the mockup stage, and the actual
mockups focus more on what would be coded in Metacity rather than GTK! We
would need to see a sample application with actual widgets visible such as
"The Widget Factory" to really know the style and intent of "Kith".

As for the buttons at the bottom of windows - it's not possible with GTK, as
that area is reserved in applications (GtkStatusbar). This is another mockup
that requires a major architectural change to GTK (and many applications) -
and while it may be worth persuing, it's not likely to happen.

Having said all that, I somewhat like the colour scheme :).
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread David
If we go orange again, I think that Kith Intrepid is probably the best one
out there. The only trouble is that it might be a bit loud for some people.
I personally love it, and have been using a setup very close to it on my own
computer. If something like this could be coded in such a way as to allow
the user to change colors at will (effecting the panels, gtk theme, and
emerald theme), I think this could really be the best option. I'd suggest
using Murrine as it seems to be the most customizable (though I'm no
expert), and it will support ARGB for future releases (or this one if it
proves stable).

I think the best thing about this is its originality. There is no other
operating system that looks anything like this, but it's still extremely
usable. My vote probably doesn't count for much, but I'd definitely like to
give this a +1.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Vincent Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone, my first post here :)
>
> I think this is definitely the kind of colors that would suit the ubuntu
> desktop.
>
> Have you looked at Kith Intrepid?
> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid )
>
> It is in the same tones but looks more polished and modern; nothing has
> been done except mockups, but the work on the gtk/metacity(emerald?)
> theme is about to begin in a week or two.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread Christina Eater
I love that ibex wallpaper! Nice lines.

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On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Vincent Moulin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone, my first post here :)
>
> I think this is definitely the kind of colors that would suit the ubuntu
> desktop.
>
> Have you looked at Kith Intrepid?
> ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid )
>
> It is in the same tones but looks more polished and modern; nothing has
> been done except mockups, but the work on the gtk/metacity(emerald?)
> theme is about to begin in a week or two.
>
>
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[ubuntu-art] Vote for new functionality at www.hackontest.org

2008-07-03 Thread Kenneth Wimer
Hi all, 

This just in from the inkscape development team:

A 24-hour contest to program new functionality into an opensource program? => 
www.hackontest.org

Inkscape has registered for participation in Hackontest.org!
http://www.hackontest.org/index.php?action=Root-projectDetail(97)

This means we need your votes to find out which new functionality you'd like 
to see us code as quick as we can.

Also, we need a lot of votes just to let the Hackontest organization know 
Inkscape makes you happy ;-)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread Vincent Moulin
Hi everyone, my first post here :)

I think this is definitely the kind of colors that would suit the ubuntu
desktop.

Have you looked at Kith Intrepid?
( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid )

It is in the same tones but looks more polished and modern; nothing has
been done except mockups, but the work on the gtk/metacity(emerald?)
theme is about to begin in a week or two.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?

2008-07-03 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Thursday 03 July 2008 03:16:33 Brian Fleeger wrote:
> Salene -- Thanks, you are right to point out it is not art related.
>
> However, the two areas I point out have been the object of many legitimate
> critiques in the past from many press reviews of Ubuntu and in many a
> forum.  I do not think I am the first person to notice this.  From a design
> perspective, sometimes what you leave out is more important than what you
> include.
>
>
> Ken -- you sit at many tables and wear many hats; is cleaning up excess
> material something you could/would pass on to relevent parties?  If this in
> not within your range of authority, that is okay.  My only intention is to
> make Ubuntu a better end product.
>

Actually, I can look into removing some screensavers and stuff. I'll talk to 
some people and see what the possiblities are.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Need gtkrc help. Panel effect for Studio theme.

2008-07-03 Thread Who
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all. I'm tinkering with the Feisty Studio theme. Thinking of bringing
> it back with a facelift. I need help getting a look though.

Hey Cory,

I assume you've tried editing the same styles that you're applying to
the panel elements to get the background to also draw button
backgrounds that will blend in seamlessly? I don't think this is a
very nice answer, but I think it could be kludged  with the pixmap
engine if you were really keen. (i.e just make the look for inactive
buttons on the panel the same as the panel background, + some trickery
to make it look 'right' - potentially you open a 'scaling' can of
worms here - I don't know - sorry)

By the looks of things, this theme does that (look at the end of the
email. in an addendum effraie noted that the gtkrc was from the Linsta
theme.)
http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ubuntu.artwork/2006-10/msg00049.html


Two questions:
1. If you drag those panels on to the side of the screen, how does the
image respond? When I last tried this, if you had applied the image to
the panel using the panel confuiguration UI then putting the panel
side on broke it (eg it didn't rotate it) - which would make using
this as a technique less desirable...

2. How do you currently theme the panel - like
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-September/003203.html
?

I still think there's a strong argument that a panel image should be
able to be 'suggested' in a theme just like a background or font can
be (http://orford.org/gtk/#fonts). I don't know why I never got around
to submitting it as a feature request - I guess I was expecting some
discussion about it when I suggested it back then, or forgot :S What
do you think?

Hope that isn't just a pile of stuff you already know - I am aware it
might well be :)

Who

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