Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
I know it's only for KDE - I said so... Thanks, I'll try pitivi. 2008/9/27 Michael Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > 2008/9/27 Joshua Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> There are only seven movie editors I can find. Cinelerra may be >> professional, but it has nowhere near the potential that the easy interface >> of Windows Movie Maker had. The only thing that is Gnome-based and that >> seems to have a nice interface is Kino, and it *doesn't even have a >> timeline. *How are you supposed to make a movie without a timeline? >> >> The only other program that does have a timeline is Kdenlive, but it's for >> KDE and for some reason crashes whenever I use it. Plus there hasn't been an >> update since 2007, and the latest news is from June 26, 2008. >> >> The new version was scheduled for release in March. And the year is almost >> through. It's definitely time for a new movie editor, one that has all the >> functionality of Kdenlive and the usability of Kino. >> > > FYI Kino is KDE based, not Gnome based. Have you tried Pitivi? It has a > good time line, a very intuitive interface. > It is lacking in features, but what it does do it does right. There is no > need for a *new* movie editor, because > when Pitivi gets there it will what most people want from a video editor. > > Michael > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
Il giorno dom, 28/09/2008 alle 13.30 +0200, Adam ha scritto: > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 13:18 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > > Il giorno dom, 28/09/2008 alle 12.41 +0200, Adam ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:31 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > > > > Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto: > > > > > There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that. > > > > > > > > > > But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of > > > > > reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want > > > > > to know the prices on that software. > > > > > > > > > Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always > > > > simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove > > > > totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people > > > > that in other systems must only play and use. > > > > > > > > gp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of some legal issues > > > > I don't tell of codecs, I know. But an easy way to use it. More > > user-friendly DVD-Reader or solutions for it. > > > > gp > > > it could offer a solution the same way it does with mp3s and other audio > codecs, so you just click and it works, right? > > Can be a solution. But at the moment it needs remove manually totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine (and others xine plugins). gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 13:18 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > Il giorno dom, 28/09/2008 alle 12.41 +0200, Adam ha scritto: > > > > > > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:31 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > > > Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto: > > > > There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that. > > > > > > > > But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of > > > > reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want > > > > to know the prices on that software. > > > > > > > Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always > > > simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove > > > totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people > > > that in other systems must only play and use. > > > > > > gp > > > > > > > > > > this is because of some legal issues > > I don't tell of codecs, I know. But an easy way to use it. More > user-friendly DVD-Reader or solutions for it. > > gp > it could offer a solution the same way it does with mp3s and other audio codecs, so you just click and it works, right? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
Il giorno dom, 28/09/2008 alle 12.41 +0200, Adam ha scritto: > > > On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:31 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > > Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto: > > > There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that. > > > > > > But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of > > > reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want > > > to know the prices on that software. > > > > > Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always > > simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove > > totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people > > that in other systems must only play and use. > > > > gp > > > > > > this is because of some legal issues I don't tell of codecs, I know. But an easy way to use it. More user-friendly DVD-Reader or solutions for it. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
this is because of some legal issues. On Sun, 2008-09-28 at 12:31 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: > Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto: > > There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that. > > > > But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of > > reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want > > to know the prices on that software. > > > Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always > simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove > totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people > that in other systems must only play and use. > > gp > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
Il giorno sab, 27/09/2008 alle 17.05 -0400, Vadim Peretokin ha scritto: > There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that. > > But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of > reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want > to know the prices on that software. > Another goal is a very user-friendly DVD Reader. Totem in not always simple to use or configure, for example to see DVD Menu is must remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine. This discourages many people that in other systems must only play and use. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
> > > FYI Kino is KDE based, not Gnome based. > Disregard that, I am an idiot the K always threw me. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
2008/9/27 Joshua Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > There are only seven movie editors I can find. Cinelerra may be > professional, but it has nowhere near the potential that the easy interface > of Windows Movie Maker had. The only thing that is Gnome-based and that > seems to have a nice interface is Kino, and it *doesn't even have a > timeline. *How are you supposed to make a movie without a timeline? > > The only other program that does have a timeline is Kdenlive, but it's for > KDE and for some reason crashes whenever I use it. Plus there hasn't been an > update since 2007, and the latest news is from June 26, 2008. > > The new version was scheduled for release in March. And the year is almost > through. It's definitely time for a new movie editor, one that has all the > functionality of Kdenlive and the usability of Kino. > FYI Kino is KDE based, not Gnome based. Have you tried Pitivi? It has a good time line, a very intuitive interface. It is lacking in features, but what it does do it does right. There is no need for a *new* movie editor, because when Pitivi gets there it will what most people want from a video editor. Michael -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
There is a fork of Cinerella, called Linerella or something like that. But yeah, movie editing for the average human on Linux is out of reach, unless you're a Hollywood movie studio. But I don't even want to know the prices on that software. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
There are only seven movie editors I can find. Cinelerra may be professional, but it has nowhere near the potential that the easy interface of Windows Movie Maker had. The only thing that is Gnome-based and that seems to have a nice interface is Kino, and it *doesn't even have a timeline. *How are you supposed to make a movie without a timeline? The only other program that does have a timeline is Kdenlive, but it's for KDE and for some reason crashes whenever I use it. Plus there hasn't been an update since 2007, and the latest news is from June 26, 2008. The new version was scheduled for release in March. And the year is almost through. It's definitely time for a new movie editor, one that has all the functionality of Kdenlive and the usability of Kino. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So we need: > > -Vid editor > > -Third party office support(PS, After Effects, AutoCad..) > > > > And a pretty interface, of course! > > i agree we need a good video editor, like imovie, and openoffice is > great but they have so dumb mistakes (for example if you would use a lot > of shortcuts like alt+menushortcut+menuitemshortcut, in openoffice ater > u hit alt it opens the file menu so you have to hit escape and than > start hitting the other shortcuts, seems a stupid thing but if u use > office all day u need these shotcuts..) > or comparing impress to apples keynote.. different dimensions. > > however i dont think the games are so important. people play on xbox not > on pc anymore. > > > > > -- > > > > José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
> So we need: > -Vid editor > -Third party office support(PS, After Effects, AutoCad..) > > And a pretty interface, of course! i agree we need a good video editor, like imovie, and openoffice is great but they have so dumb mistakes (for example if you would use a lot of shortcuts like alt+menushortcut+menuitemshortcut, in openoffice ater u hit alt it opens the file menu so you have to hit escape and than start hitting the other shortcuts, seems a stupid thing but if u use office all day u need these shotcuts..) or comparing impress to apples keynote.. different dimensions. however i dont think the games are so important. people play on xbox not on pc anymore. > > -- > > José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
Il giorno gio, 25/09/2008 alle 16.14 +0100, José Luis ha scritto: > So we need: > -Vid editor > -Third party office support(PS, After Effects, AutoCad..) > I agree totally. This items are more important to compete with closed source OS. For the rest, I think is more important make something that is not only beauty or easily to use but is ready to use without that people should do particular settings. Ubuntu must be a package ready to use. Also in the themes should be ready to use, creating more solutions of the same theme. Infact in some themes is not enough simply change the colors in the control panel but must work in the code to adjust some values and for users this is not simple. And they don't want. Sorry for my English, I hope you understand. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 16:14 +0100, José Luis wrote: > So we are targetting the same people as Apple. That's a good thing, coz > we can't be wrong if we and the apple engineers agree. Not sure about that :) > Why do the current young web-savvy professionals use Mac? > Mac gives them what they want in a gorgeus box. Partly yes. But this audience is surely not entirely made of Mac users, I'd say. > We can give them the same (or better)... for free, and that's why they > may choose us over Mac This shouldn't be the only reason. It's also a risk, because there's still the "if it's free, it can't be that good" thinking. I agree on the need for apps like a decent video editor and games. Problems we have to be aware of, yet are out of the scope of this project. Thanks for the input. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
So we are targetting the same people as Apple. That's a good thing, coz we can't be wrong if we and the apple engineers agree. Why do the current young web-savvy professionals use Mac? Mac gives them what they want in a gorgeus box. We can give them the same (or better)... for free, and that's why they may choose us over Mac They look for something easy yet powerful. We can deliver this. We *are* delivering this right now. (Altought Ubuntu isn't as perfect as Mark wants...) They also need to get their job done. Ubuntu Linux provides you with OpenOffice so you can start to work right out of the box. People who need PS or other third party software can run it through wine or dualboot. This is not our fault, is Adobe's. This people may want to play games. What games do they like? I don't know.. And they also want to create movies about their holidays, friends, etc We don't have any easy to use (Think on Win Movie Maker or iMovie) video editing software on Ubuntu. (Hint: Canonical should put money here) We can give them the same (or better)... for free, and that's why they may choose us over Mac. So we need: -Vid editor -Third party office support(PS, After Effects, AutoCad..) And a pretty interface, of course! -- José Luis Ricón <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Kyūdō: Audience and Message
Hi! I will assume that the lack of replies to my last post means that there's nothing to add or change there now ;) On to the next point! = Why Audience and Message? = The presentation, like any act, conveys a message even if you don't care about it. That would be to take a risk instead of an opportunity. If you do care about the message, you have to think about the recipient. You don't talk to a 12 year old girl the same as you do to a 61 year old man. If you work on art without a documented audience, you are still very likely to make a number of assumptions regarding your recipients. Such hidden assumptions are detrimental to cooperation on artwork. The target audience for artwork doesn't need to be identical to the entire audience for Ubuntu as such. The attempt to target everyone implies an audience of just average people. No single person is average, though. Especially geographically ;) So here we need a strategy. I propose: = Who do we want to attract next? = Trendsetters who will lead others to follow. People who are visible in their computer use. Those who have interesting capabilities to add to our community. Those who have the glamour we would like for Ubuntu itself. Young web-savvy professionals. --- Do you have an alternative proposal? If not: What are the conclusions we have to draw here? What further assumptions can we make about such an audience? What kind of a world do they live in? What do they like and enjoy? What is it that would get them hooked on Ubuntu? Finally: What shall be our message? What adjectives do we want to express? What kind of a story should we try to tell? You can also start to think about the means of doing so ;) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
