Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, coz DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey guys, Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom posting. so let me know if this is top or bottom. Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted. It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc etc etc. What do you guys think? I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Ehh, no. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art salane good to hear -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexi Helligar wrote: Don't know about the top-posting business. I use Gmail and I just reply to messages I receive. Please follow well established etiquette or don't post to the list. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-c70bc55ce24849bd82885e8b0f7e972465944b5a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey Cory, you think it would be a good idea to somehow make it a must for people to read these guidelines? Perhaps in an email sent to someone when they register for this list? -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
[snip] Please follow well established etiquette or don't post to the list. [snip] -Cory K. Sorry! Did not mean to make your life more difficult through my ignorance of well established etiquette. Will try to do better. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please follow well established etiquette or don't post to the list. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-c70bc55ce24849bd82885e8b0f7e972465944b5a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting Hey Cory, you think it would be a good idea to somehow make it a must for people to read these guidelines? Perhaps in an email sent to someone when they register for this list? My bank's website has a form for asking customer service questions. It has several required fields, some are often unrelated to the question I'm asking. Also, the box where you type the question has the text, please limit your input to 700 characters. If I type the question and its too long then when I hit the submit button I get a big red error message saying that my question was too long and that I need to shorten it. So I trim it, trying to be more brief in my question and submit and get the error again. So I resume the process abbreviating words where I think I can and trimming out as much text as possible until I get an email message that passes the minimum character count. Then I get a big red error message saying that because I chose Other in one of the select lists that I need to specify some text in the appropriate box (which isn't marked as required). I do so and submit and finally get that message, your question has been sent... Fortunately I'm patient. Otherwise I would just give up and either pick up the phone and call to ask for help or just switch to a different bank. You might wonder why I'm writing this. My point is that my bank has made it hard for me to get the information I need by putting artificial barriers in place that ultimately make it harder for people to communicate with them. They'd like people to ask short, specific questions, so they put the character limit on the text box. They'd like to know if their advertising is effective so they require me to answer their survey questions before submitting. None of this helps me at all. We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey guys, Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom posting. so let me know if this is top or bottom. Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted. It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc etc etc. What do you guys think? I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, coz DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey guys, Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom posting. so let me know if this is top or bottom. Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted. It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc etc etc. What do you guys think? I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Ehh, no. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, coz DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey guys, Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom posting. so let me know if this is top or bottom. Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted. It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc etc etc. What do you guys think? I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The point of having a community-accessible channel is the community part. Having a core art team somewhere eliminates the community, forces relocation and requires that everyone there be paid to be there. Even 2 artists at $10/hr for 8 hours a day would cost $160/day, $800 for a 5 day week, $4000 a month, or $48,000 per year. No self-respecting artist would work for that much, so they would have to be terrible artists to be that cheap. So suck it up, and unless you want to personally spend $48,000+ to not need to follow the top-posting rule... Just don't top post!!! As long as all the old messages are -above- the scrawl of your new messages, mission accomplished! If I can figure it out, anyone can. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Aug 4, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, coz DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey guys, Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom posting. so let me know if this is top or bottom. Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted. It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc etc etc. What do you guys think? I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The point of having a community-accessible channel is the community part. Having a core art team somewhere eliminates the community, forces relocation and requires that everyone there be paid to be there. Even 2 artists at $10/hr for 8 hours a day would cost $160/ day, $800 for a 5 day week, $4000 a month, or $48,000 per year. No self-respecting artist would work for that much, so they would have to be terrible artists to be that cheap. So suck it up, and unless you want to personally spend $48,000+ to not need to follow the top-posting rule... Just don't top post!!! As long as all the old messages are -above- the scrawl of your new messages, mission accomplished! If I can figure it out, anyone can. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Why do we care about top posting again? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 4:40 PM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 4, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:32 PM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do we care about top posting again? For consistency. For example, why do we care about having lanes where traffic flows in one direction? What do we care if someone wants to go the other way? Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Kuz they'll get killed Ermexactly. So, don't top post. Ashton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexi Helligar wrote: Don't know about the top-posting business. I use Gmail and I just reply to messages I receive. Please follow well established etiquette or don't post to the list. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-c70bc55ce24849bd82885e8b0f7e972465944b5a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting I'm getting a bit tired of this eternal Top Posting rant. In the future mail, please perceived offenders off-list. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting I'm getting a bit tired of this eternal Top Posting rant. In the future mail, please perceived offenders off-list. +1 I know I'm just a lurker who has very little to offer, but frankly, this constant complaint is off putting. I totally understand the sentiment, but it doesn't help the signal to noise ratio of the list (another regular complaint). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Dean Landolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting I'm getting a bit tired of this eternal Top Posting rant. In the future mail, please perceived offenders off-list. +1 I know I'm just a lurker who has very little to offer, but frankly, this constant complaint is off putting. I totally understand the sentiment, but it doesn't help the signal to noise ratio of the list (another regular complaint). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Well, top posting is quite annoying when you're trying to view the thread linearly. Imagine if on a forum someone kept finding a way of posting before the original author way back on page one. Anyway, in Gmail it's pretty easy to avoid. When you do a replay just page down to after the person to whom your replying and type your message there. It's a simple thing to do and it makes everything really easy to read for everyone. Maybe those who find it most annoying should just put something in their signature about it? It's rude to do it, but if someone doesn't know about it they shouldn't be made to feel like they are an idiot and shouldn't be posting to the list. -- David Mikucki -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
Well, top posting is quite annoying when you're trying to view the thread linearly. Imagine if on a forum someone kept finding a way of posting before the original author way back on page one. Anyway, in Gmail it's pretty easy to avoid. When you do a replay just page down to after the person to whom your replying and type your message there. It's a simple thing to do and it makes everything really easy to read for everyone. Maybe those who find it most annoying should just put something in their signature about it? It's rude to do it, but if someone doesn't know about it they shouldn't be made to feel like they are an idiot and shouldn't be posting to the list. Agreed. But of the dozens of active mailing lists I'm subscribed to, this is the only one with such continued public shamings on it. I remember when I first starting posting to the python forums I got a few friendly private messages about top posting and haven't done it (consiously) since. Of course sigs could also be a good solution. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Dean Landolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, top posting is quite annoying when you're trying to view the thread linearly. Imagine if on a forum someone kept finding a way of posting before the original author way back on page one. Anyway, in Gmail it's pretty easy to avoid. When you do a replay just page down to after the person to whom your replying and type your message there. It's a simple thing to do and it makes everything really easy to read for everyone. Maybe those who find it most annoying should just put something in their signature about it? It's rude to do it, but if someone doesn't know about it they shouldn't be made to feel like they are an idiot and shouldn't be posting to the list. Agreed. But of the dozens of active mailing lists I'm subscribed to, this is the only one with such continued public shamings on it. I remember when I first starting posting to the python forums I got a few friendly private messages about top posting and haven't done it (consiously) since. Of course sigs could also be a good solution. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I think the most important part is just to give someone a fair warning about it. I'm new to mailing lists, and someone kindly explained top-posting to me, and now I try not to do it. If people do it repetitively, then I can see how it would be aggravating, but otherwise, try a friendly message to clue the offender in. -- - Mike -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
I think it's because Ubuntu artwork made it on Digg again, and a lot of people joined the list who aren't familiar with them at all. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's because Ubuntu artwork made it on Digg again, and a lot of people joined the list who aren't familiar with them at all. Which means etiquette really isn't as commonly accepted as a select anachronistic few insist. It's 2008, and it might be time we wrote some software to smooth the rough ends our systems still have. Justin Dugger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
Justin Dugger wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's because Ubuntu artwork made it on Digg again, and a lot of people joined the list who aren't familiar with them at all. Which means etiquette really isn't as commonly accepted as a select anachronistic few insist. It's 2008, and it might be time we wrote some software to smooth the rough ends our systems still have. Justin Dugger Or people could just accept it and do as asked. Much simpler IMO. This will continue to be an issues as we get new people. (as was mentioned) It's up to those people as to how big a deal it becomes. We always get that person who's like Don't tell me what to do!. *sigh* And so far, the person who was asked to stop does. It's some other yahoo usually. In any case. We can all move on. I'm sure we can drop this for at least a month or two. ;) -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting.
Yeah I know gmail does that- I just hate having lots of stuff in my email. I didnt think about it confusing people. Salane On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you see how this breaks continuity when someone top-posts and then people who know the rules reply? What came 1st is damn hard to understand. Salene, I know you are new around here but please don't ignore the long-standing etiquette. http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-c70bc55ce24849bd82885e8b0f7e972465944b5a If this is a problem with Gmail users you need to fix your settings. -Cory K. -Cory. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know gmail does that- I just hate having lots of stuff in my email. I didnt think about it confusing people. Salane You don't have to type in the space gmail puts at the top of the email, you know. You can skip to the bottom and type, like I just did to send this. -- Travis Watkins http://www.realistanew.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know gmail does that- I just hate having lots of stuff in my email. I didnt think about it confusing people. Salane You're still top-posting. When you click reply in Gmail, do *not* begin typing your reply where the cursor rests by default. Scroll down and make your reply *underneath* quoted text, and as an optional (but highly recommended) step, delete unnecessary parts of the quoted text. You have to understand that all messages send to this list are being delivered to hundreds of people, and they have no control over the manner in which these e-mails are presented to them. Only Gmail users can afford the luxury of auto-threaded posts with redundant quoted text hidden by default. For everyone else, it looks like a mess. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting.
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know gmail does that- I just hate having lots of stuff in my email. I didnt think about it confusing people. Salane You're still top-posting. When you click reply in Gmail, do *not* begin typing your reply where the cursor rests by default. Scroll down and make your reply *underneath* quoted text, and as an optional (but highly recommended) step, delete unnecessary parts of the quoted text. You have to understand that all messages send to this list are being delivered to hundreds of people, and they have no control over the manner in which these e-mails are presented to them. Only Gmail users can afford the luxury of auto-threaded posts with redundant quoted text hidden by default. For everyone else, it looks like a mess. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Again, sorry - no one let me know what it did on here, I do this for my other email, so you can stop discussing this. End of discussion. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting.
- Original Message From: Conn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 12:09:17 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting. When you click reply in Gmail, do *not* begin typing your reply where the cursor rests by default. Scroll down and make your reply *underneath* quoted text, and as an optional (but highly recommended) step, delete unnecessary parts of the quoted text. Can I suggest posting the etiquette primer into the list-serve email sign-up sheet? I am just figuring this out now too, and it seems like a lot could be avoided if people were forced to read about the rules in the process of signing up. Alternately, there could be an automated first email for all new users that laid out the rules. Otherwise this is going to be an endless back and forth as new people sign up. Regards, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
