Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe: user-trash, Sebastian's bin edited

[Smartboy]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm on the run, so I can only say that I edited Sebastian Porta's bin as
> comments only go so far. tell me what you think!
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
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Here's what I think:
The brown that there looks too dull, and thus it looks like a polished mud
or clay (not fire hardened) trash bin. I think that the bin should be orange
like the originals myself, though thats just my opinion.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

Cory K. wrote:
> spg76 wrote:
>   
>> I updated the wiki with full version of the gray one.
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
>> 
>
> I'm gonna look over what you have, to make sure things are technically
> in place. Then I'll put these up in BZR. Either tonight or tomorrow.
>
> I won't consider these final. Just the best we have for now.
>
> Thanx for the work so far. :)

Ok. I have added the trash icons to
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons. All future
revisions (to these images. We might have a better trash idea later)
*must* be derived from these SVGs. I have changed some things to make
them in line technically with the rest of the icons.

spg76 - If you like, you can continue to show your revisions on the
submissions page like you have been. Just grab the new SVGs from the
/Icons page 1st.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

spg76 wrote:
> I updated the wiki with full version of the gray one.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions

I'm gonna look over what you have, to make sure things are technically
in place. Then I'll put these up in BZR. Either tonight or tomorrow.

I won't consider these final. Just the best we have for now.

Thanx for the work so far. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/10/1 Danny King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I really like the new grey colour and the paper is really good. Can I
> ask how you made the paper?
>
> A few things that I'm not sure about:
>
> I think the white streaks are too vivid, perhaps try making them more
> subtle and seeing how that looks? (maybe it'll be worse, just
> speculating).
>
> The left and right edges are slightly jagged, maybe either add a very
> subtle blurred object behind them?
>
> The top 'lip' of the bin doesn't have a shadow and I think it would
> (although, also subtle)
>
> I think the inside of the empty  bin is very dark. If the light is
> coming from above it would probably look very similar to the outside?
>
> The paper looks a little too white to me.
>
> The recycle icon might look better if it appeared to be etched in to
> the plastic?
>
> The black base at the very bottom of the bin doesn't look like it's
> the same material as the rest of the bin - maybe it's too dark.
>
> I realize this sounds like a very negative response so let me say that
> I think your icons are wonderful as they are and I find them very
> inspirational, I'm just trying to make them perfect.  If anyone
> disagrees with any of my suggestions I welcome debate!
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I updated the wiki with full version of the gray one.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
Danny, for the paper, I edited an bitmap in Gimp and then converted to
vector in Inkscape.
Thank you for your suggestions, I used some of them for the new version.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Danny King]

I really like the new grey colour and the paper is really good. Can I
ask how you made the paper?

A few things that I'm not sure about:

I think the white streaks are too vivid, perhaps try making them more
subtle and seeing how that looks? (maybe it'll be worse, just
speculating).

The left and right edges are slightly jagged, maybe either add a very
subtle blurred object behind them?

The top 'lip' of the bin doesn't have a shadow and I think it would
(although, also subtle)

I think the inside of the empty  bin is very dark. If the light is
coming from above it would probably look very similar to the outside?

The paper looks a little too white to me.

The recycle icon might look better if it appeared to be etched in to
the plastic?

The black base at the very bottom of the bin doesn't look like it's
the same material as the rest of the bin - maybe it's too dark.

I realize this sounds like a very negative response so let me say that
I think your icons are wonderful as they are and I find them very
inspirational, I'm just trying to make them perfect.  If anyone
disagrees with any of my suggestions I welcome debate!


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/10/1 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> spg76, how about we focus on the lighter gray one for now. Drop the
> "balled up paper" detail below 48px and make the ones from 48px on down
> feel correctly detailed for those sizes. Dropping whatever finer detail
> that isn't needed.
>
> Once that is done, anyone have an objection to this being uploaded to BZR?
>
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OK, I'll do that later and post here when the wiki it's updated.
And thank you for the explanation, Thorsten.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

spg76, how about we focus on the lighter gray one for now. Drop the
"balled up paper" detail below 48px and make the ones from 48px on down
feel correctly detailed for those sizes. Dropping whatever finer detail
that isn't needed.

Once that is done, anyone have an objection to this being uploaded to BZR?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 12:38 -0300, spg76 wrote:

> I just added one with a paper on the ground for review.

The ball is a nice touch and well done, but maybe a bit distracting. I
think it will not work at all for smaller sizes. Like 22 px as used on
the panel.


> Cory, in a previous message you say that smaller ones need to be drawn
> for their target size not just scaled down from the bigger ones.
> I don´t understand what you mean. I just scaled down the bigger ones
> like you say and then retouched the details. It's there any better
> way?

You should make sure that major lines/features are lined up with the
pixel grid on all sizes. You can hit # to toggle the grid in Inkscape.
If you zoom in, you should be able to see the default 1px spacing. Now
say you have a dark horizontal line in your icon. If it ends up on
non-integer coordinates and thus somewhere halfway between one row of
pixels and the next in the exported image, the line will appear blurry.
So you should try to move things to get them on the grid where ever
possible.

For small icons, it can be of advantage to completely redraw them, as
there will be less detail. It can also help to drop the perspective to
go entirely flat. At least for 16 px size, where you easily end up with
pixel-salad :)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/10/1 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Cory K. wrote:
> > spg76 wrote:
> >
> >> 2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >>
> >> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
> >> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
> >> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
> >> like that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you all for your comments.
> >> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
> >> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the
> >> right shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why.
> >> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files
> >> looks fine.
> >> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.
> >>
> >
> > I'm leaning toward the gray one atm. Should we lighten it up a little? I
> > think the recycle arrows should be more noticeable. Also the smaller
> > ones need to be drawn for their target size not just scaled down from
> > the bigger ones.
> >
> > How about we axe the color ones and see a gray one with the trash full?
> >
> > As far as your shadow goes it just looks like it does outside of the
> > canvas. Easily fixed.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
>
> Ok. A lighter gray one was added with trash inside. Would a
> crumpled/balled-up piece on the ground be cool?
>

> Opinions on the lighter gray one?
>
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I just added one with a paper on the ground for review.
Cory, in a previous message you say that smaller ones need to be drawn for
their target size not just scaled down from the bigger ones.
I don´t understand what you mean. I just scaled down the bigger ones like
you say and then retouched the details. It's there any better way?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

Cory K. wrote:
> spg76 wrote:
>   
>> 2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>>
>> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
>> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
>> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
>> like that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for your comments.
>> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
>> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the
>> right shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why.
>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files
>> looks fine.
>> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.
>> 
>
> I'm leaning toward the gray one atm. Should we lighten it up a little? I
> think the recycle arrows should be more noticeable. Also the smaller
> ones need to be drawn for their target size not just scaled down from
> the bigger ones.
>
> How about we axe the color ones and see a gray one with the trash full?
>
> As far as your shadow goes it just looks like it does outside of the
> canvas. Easily fixed.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions

Ok. A lighter gray one was added with trash inside. Would a
crumpled/balled-up piece on the ground be cool?

Opinions on the lighter gray one?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Danny King]

> Thank you all for your comments.
> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the right
> shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why. Maybe I'm doing
> something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files looks fine.
> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.

Nice work, I really like your full trash icon. You have to be careful
with heavily blurred objects in Inkscape because the blurring actually
won't be exported unless the entire lot is within the exportable
region, and sometimes it's hard to tell if it is (the blur is larger
than the shape that you apply it to).

 I suggest making the shadow smaller and more subtle. Use a little as
you can get away with and build up from there (I think it would look
more realistic?)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Cory K.]

spg76 wrote:
> 2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
> like that.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your comments.
> I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
> A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the
> right shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why.
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files
> looks fine.
> Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.

I'm leaning toward the gray one atm. Should we lighten it up a little? I
think the recycle arrows should be more noticeable. Also the smaller
ones need to be drawn for their target size not just scaled down from
the bigger ones.

How about we axe the color ones and see a gray one with the trash full?

As far as your shadow goes it just looks like it does outside of the
canvas. Easily fixed.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[spg76]

2008/9/30 Isaiah Heyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
> Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
> "selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
> like that.
>
>
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Thank you all for your comments.
I updated the wiki with a new icon for user-trash-full.
A little note, for some reason the preview images doesn't show the right
shadow at the bottom (looks very bad) and I don't know why. Maybe I'm doing
something wrong with Inkscape, although the SVG files looks fine.
Also, I add a gray (almost black) version just for show.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Isaiah Heyer]

I like the Human theme but the color isn't that great.
Maybe its just me but I think they should just changed the default
"selected items" color to #638F28.As far as I know no other os looks
like that.



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Joshua Booth]

I like the orange. The other colors aren't very subtle. I would recommend,
actually, dark green, white, or even gray if we're going for realism here.

I'm kind of sick of Ubuntu orange, if you know what I'm talking about here.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Danny King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > in my country public bins look like this:
> > http://kultura.hu/img/upload/200703/kuka.jpg
> > http://www.alon.hu/blogs/media/1kuka_kis.jpg
> >
> > so there are plastic bins :)
>
> Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I know there are plastic bins, I have two
> in my office ;)  I just haven't seen any mate finish type bins that
> are so bright. I should stress I do like the mate finish effect
> though!
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Danny King]

> in my country public bins look like this:
> http://kultura.hu/img/upload/200703/kuka.jpg
> http://www.alon.hu/blogs/media/1kuka_kis.jpg
>
> so there are plastic bins :)

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I know there are plastic bins, I have two
in my office ;)  I just haven't seen any mate finish type bins that
are so bright. I should stress I do like the mate finish effect
though!



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Adam]

On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 09:28 +0100, Danny King wrote:
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
> 
> Great work there Sebastian, I really like your use of shadow and the
> perspective is really good. I think the blue bin is the best - I
> really want to reach out and touch it, which is the design goal. You
> can tell that a lot of work has gone into it :)
> 
> The darker, lower half of the red and yellow bins seem too dark - on
> the other two it looks perfect. Also perhaps the recycling logo could
> be lighter? It appears to me to be slightly pink, maybe it's my eyes.
> The shadow underneath all of the bins is clipped so they need to be
> made a little smaller
> 
> I do like the wonderful colours you've used, but I still (personally)
> feel that I can't relate any of them to a real world material. They
> look like matte plastic (which I really like) but I don't think I've
> ever seen such a bright matte plastic bin!

in my country public bins look like this:
http://kultura.hu/img/upload/200703/kuka.jpg
http://www.alon.hu/blogs/media/1kuka_kis.jpg

so there are plastic bins :)


> 
> Also, just thinking about the 'full' trash can icon, assuming we used
> the tried and tested 'scrunched up paper', I don't think there would
> be enough space at the top to fit in the paper, so that's a +1 in
> favour of resizing a little (at least the 256 size) from my point of
> view.
> 
> All in all, a fantastic icon! I think with a few tweaks this might be
> a good one to base the rest of the theme on - what do people think?
> Should we start using matte plastic where applicable on other icons
> for consistency?
> 
> All of this is just my first opinion and very much up for debate!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Danny King]

>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions

Great work there Sebastian, I really like your use of shadow and the
perspective is really good. I think the blue bin is the best - I
really want to reach out and touch it, which is the design goal. You
can tell that a lot of work has gone into it :)

The darker, lower half of the red and yellow bins seem too dark - on
the other two it looks perfect. Also perhaps the recycling logo could
be lighter? It appears to me to be slightly pink, maybe it's my eyes.
The shadow underneath all of the bins is clipped so they need to be
made a little smaller

I do like the wonderful colours you've used, but I still (personally)
feel that I can't relate any of them to a real world material. They
look like matte plastic (which I really like) but I don't think I've
ever seen such a bright matte plastic bin!

Also, just thinking about the 'full' trash can icon, assuming we used
the tried and tested 'scrunched up paper', I don't think there would
be enough space at the top to fit in the paper, so that's a +1 in
favour of resizing a little (at least the 256 size) from my point of
view.

All in all, a fantastic icon! I think with a few tweaks this might be
a good one to base the rest of the theme on - what do people think?
Should we start using matte plastic where applicable on other icons
for consistency?

All of this is just my first opinion and very much up for debate!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Breathe user-trash

[Jake Tolbert]

nice work.  I particularly like the blue one, although I'm not sure how
that'll fit w/ the Breathe pallette.

jake



On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM, spg76 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I made some changes based on Thorsten and Cory's suggestions and I updated
> the wiki.
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
> Also I made the icon on different colors to give an idea of a different
> look.
> Please take a look and tell me what you think.
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