Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 12:45 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: Secondly there is another question: It's true that the user can be change the color of a theme (like newhuman for example) but is really simple, is really intuitive?...is really necessary change only color palette or must we change, for best result, gtkrc code too? Want this the users? I think that is better to do less type of themes but with more color versions (2 or 3 color versions). The user want change the theme with one click and they want something ready. As far as I understand, you say: - Allowing the user to adjust the colors themselves in detail is maybe not simple enough. - We should offer 2 or 3 color versions of a theme, because users will prefer to change things with one click. I think it is a plus to have an easy way for the user to adjust the colors in detail, but such a feature is not for the majority. I think it would be good to have color versions of a theme, but we still have to pick a default. Plus you can only take care about color versions after having a good theme. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 12:45 +0200, Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: Secondly there is another question: It's true that the user can be change the color of a theme (like newhuman for example) but is really simple, is really intuitive?...is really necessary change only color palette or must we change, for best result, gtkrc code too? Want this the users? I think that is better to do less type of themes but with more color versions (2 or 3 color versions). The user want change the theme with one click and they want something ready. As far as I understand, you say: - Allowing the user to adjust the colors themselves in detail is maybe not simple enough. - We should offer 2 or 3 color versions of a theme, because users will prefer to change things with one click. I think it is a plus to have an easy way for the user to adjust the colors in detail, but such a feature is not for the majority. I think it would be good to have color versions of a theme, but we still have to pick a default. Plus you can only take care about color versions after having a good theme. I can agree. For example look at this: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 simply 3 different versions of one theme. The same with GDM: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Arc-Colors+GDM-Walls?content=88305 So the user can select perfectly matching colors, which are already prepared. Vit Svarc -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Il giorno lun, 06/10/2008 alle 14.34 +0200, Thorsten Wilms ha scritto: As far as I understand, you say: - Allowing the user to adjust the colors themselves in detail is maybe not simple enough. - We should offer 2 or 3 color versions of a theme, because users will prefer to change things with one click. Yes, this is my thought. I think it is a plus to have an easy way for the user to adjust the colors in detail, but such a feature is not for the majority. I think it would be good to have color versions of a theme, but we still have to pick a default. Plus you can only take care about color versions after having a good theme. Yes, ok. Sure. This is logical, to have a good theme and after to make some color versions. But this concept is very important. But, secondly, it's true that the colors aren't only subjective but there are usable colors and not usable according to context. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Il giorno lun, 06/10/2008 alle 14.46 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I can agree. For example look at this: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 simply 3 different versions of one theme. The same with GDM: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Arc-Colors+GDM-Walls?content=88305 So the user can select perfectly matching colors, which are already prepared. Yes, this is my thought. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Rico I like your energy ...but about - Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things I wish to ask you if U are sure ..or U just think ? Because I am sure AND - Color schemes are NOT one of the most subjective things. There are rules - researches - studies - case studies - GUI studies, CROMOTHERAPY is a part of the recovery medicine, etc. Apple use those known rules - we won't ( is so simple... ). Finally - you will think what you like. I think about what I learn and use on a daily basis. Second Point : those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. - again a bit of subjectivity - US, WE, .. the fans of Ubuntu, ultrafans... we know how to change colors - no problem. But think about Ubuntu scope that is to replace $MS on a large scale - Ubuntu is not just for 3 fans like us. Designers / Photographers / Hobbysts... Normal peoples from the institutions / entreprises ..and most home userbase where XP / Vista will be replaced, are non geeks or linux pro - they will not change any color... ever... This is also studied / practically observed ( they do their work - then go home - after 100 years they will use the same win 98 UI on Vista for example, because they start with Win95 or 98 - so they call peoples like me to do this simple switch from Aero to basic because they don't know how to ). Finally - Some will always prefer one over the other. - Man - of course water is liquid - but that's not the point here - Will be usable for the rest of the world OR just for few fans and peoples with free time ?? ( that's the game between brown - red - orange schemes and gray - lightgray - lightblue schemes ) . My respect, and 5 cents. SorinN 2008/9/22 Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a word of advice: It's a bit of a moot point to decide on which to go with: a warm (beige/orange) or neutral grey color scheme. Some will always prefer one over the other. IMHO, you don't have to adjust the colors of your theme just because everyone clamored to have it as orange/yellow/grey/blue. Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things. Just stick to your vision and make the nicest execution for what you have in mind. Anyway, the colors are adjustable for a reason: those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. Cheers! Rico Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: I maded a clear version of Naxos Theme. Gray and orange. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear.png For try the theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear-0.5.tar.gz Opinions? gp ps: I want improve panel bar -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Moving-to-another-city-tp19588387p19610234.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:11 +0300, SorinN wrote: *in a terribly hard to read broken/telegram style* I like to think that I'm pretty tolerant regarding spelling and grammar issues and other problems one might have with a foreign language. I want to understand. But too much is too much. This is very close to unreadable gibberish and I have to ask you Sorin, to either put more effort into it, to build whole sentences, or to remain silent, as messages that can't be read help nobody. I know from the IRC channel that I'm not alone here. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Nope man - This is a nonsense - Please keep the essence if my language are bad ( I'm sure you got the point ) - because the essence really count - we must keep serious things inside. On real world it's a shame to do what you do. Arguments must speak, arguments logic - or, is some English competition here ? and I don't know ?. Hmm, so, ..you will trow me out because of my English ha ? ;) Man. please grow up an be constructive. I share my experience here, talking about colors ...I'm not just ..think about colors. I know from the IRC channel that I'm not alone here.Pretty bad, so much people can't see the sense ? I tell you something - right now, we have here some newcomers, some chinese peoples - they speak very bad Romanian language but we can help them even we do efforts to understand their romanian because help matter not language. So if you try to read, you can got the point. I was thinking I am member of a mailing list with mature peoples inside. If you are mature please see the big picture. If not, please ignore my messages. Or in case if you still read my messages, if you don't like my point, and you don't have arguments, then shoot on my English. Best wishes a dollar for you. SorinN 2008/10/4 Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:11 +0300, SorinN wrote: *in a terribly hard to read broken/telegram style* I like to think that I'm pretty tolerant regarding spelling and grammar issues and other problems one might have with a foreign language. I want to understand. But too much is too much. This is very close to unreadable gibberish and I have to ask you Sorin, to either put more effort into it, to build whole sentences, or to remain silent, as messages that can't be read help nobody. I know from the IRC channel that I'm not alone here. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
i totally agree, the colors are not subjective, and very important elements of the whole look. Most people wont change there color shame, while they judge many things at the first sight. However I wouldnt say that only the gray-white-blue works, it can be a good tone of orange or other colors. On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:11 +0300, SorinN wrote: Rico I like your energy ...but about - Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things I wish to ask you if U are sure ..or U just think ? Because I am sure AND - Color schemes are NOT one of the most subjective things. There are rules - researches - studies - case studies - GUI studies, CROMOTHERAPY is a part of the recovery medicine, etc. Apple use those known rules - we won't ( is so simple... ). Finally - you will think what you like. I think about what I learn and use on a daily basis. Second Point : those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. - again a bit of subjectivity - US, WE, .. the fans of Ubuntu, ultrafans... we know how to change colors - no problem. But think about Ubuntu scope that is to replace $MS on a large scale - Ubuntu is not just for 3 fans like us. Designers / Photographers / Hobbysts... Normal peoples from the institutions / entreprises ..and most home userbase where XP / Vista will be replaced, are non geeks or linux pro - they will not change any color... ever... This is also studied / practically observed ( they do their work - then go home - after 100 years they will use the same win 98 UI on Vista for example, because they start with Win95 or 98 - so they call peoples like me to do this simple switch from Aero to basic because they don't know how to ). Finally - Some will always prefer one over the other. - Man - of course water is liquid - but that's not the point here - Will be usable for the rest of the world OR just for few fans and peoples with free time ?? ( that's the game between brown - red - orange schemes and gray - lightgray - lightblue schemes ) . My respect, and 5 cents. SorinN 2008/9/22 Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a word of advice: It's a bit of a moot point to decide on which to go with: a warm (beige/orange) or neutral grey color scheme. Some will always prefer one over the other. IMHO, you don't have to adjust the colors of your theme just because everyone clamored to have it as orange/yellow/grey/blue. Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things. Just stick to your vision and make the nicest execution for what you have in mind. Anyway, the colors are adjustable for a reason: those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. Cheers! Rico Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: I maded a clear version of Naxos Theme. Gray and orange. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear.png For try the theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear-0.5.tar.gz Opinions? gp ps: I want improve panel bar -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Moving-to-another-city-tp19588387p19610234.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 16:38 +0300, SorinN wrote: Nope man - This is a nonsense - Please keep the essence if my language are bad ( I'm sure you got the point ) - because the essence really count - we must keep serious things inside. No, it is not nonsense. It really is hard to understand what you are talking about exactly. Funny how the aggression seems to help you to be more clear. Man. please grow up an be constructive. I share my experience here, talking about colors ...I'm not just ..think about colors. I am constructive. Otherwise I would just ignore you. I did not suggest that you just go away. Don't ignore the alternative. I have been witness several times now, how you fail to understand other people and how others do not understand you. It often isn't about essence, but details. Now your vocabulary is rich, making me think that your English doesn't have to be that bad. But the way you write sounds like a stream of thoughts. You really should try to calm down. Use proper quotation, stop using ... and all over the place. Edit your text. Explain your thoughts instead of just throwing out a few claims that you state as fact. We are not here to help you. You should be here to help us. Now regarding color is subjective or not: Please explain how color could not be subjective, when white is associated with something happy like a wedding in some countries, while it stands for death in others. How the Chinese will associate red with official buildings, while Germans will not. How an Aborigine in Australia will have a different idea of the color of earth than a Nepalese. How could color not be subjective, when people have varying favourite colors? How could color not be subjective, if some of the people in the forum will say orange and brown are ugly, while others say orange and brown are beautiful? I think both the claims color is subjective and color is not subjective are wrong. Because there are aspects of color perception that are the same or similar for almost all humans. But there are also individual differences based on environment and genes. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Just a word of advice: It's a bit of a moot point to decide on which to go with: a warm (beige/orange) or neutral grey color scheme. Some will always prefer one over the other. IMHO, you don't have to adjust the colors of your theme just because everyone clamored to have it as orange/yellow/grey/blue. Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things. Just stick to your vision and make the nicest execution for what you have in mind. Anyway, the colors are adjustable for a reason: those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. Cheers! Rico -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Moving-to-another-city-tp19588387p19610234.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Hi I like this better than the orange one and it's a nice and smooth theme. Although the corners annoys me, they doesnt look as smooth as the rest of the theme, if you understand what I mean. -Andreas FrezoreR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:13:48 +0200 Subject: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version I maded a clear version of Naxos Theme. Gray and orange. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear.png For try the theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear-0.5.tar.gz Opinions? gp ps: I want improve panel bar -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Hetaste modetipsen härligaste skönhetstesterna! http://salongk.msn.se/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Il giorno dom, 21/09/2008 alle 14.13 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: Hi I like this better than the orange one and it's a nice and smooth theme. Yes, I think it is more relaxing for users. Although the corners annoys me, they doesnt look as smooth as the rest of the theme, if you understand what I mean. I think that I have not understood. Can you give me an example? Thanks. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
the outer border of the windows are a little pixely ( if that's a word ). I can see single pixels in the rounded edges of the outside of the window. I usually get the same effects without anti-aliasing. I hope you understand, I dont have a photoshop installed so I cant paint arrows to show what I mean. -Andreas FrezoreR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:37:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version Il giorno dom, 21/09/2008 alle 14.13 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: Hi I like this better than the orange one and it's a nice and smooth theme. Yes, I think it is more relaxing for users. Although the corners annoys me, they doesnt look as smooth as the rest of the theme, if you understand what I mean. I think that I have not understood. Can you give me an example? Thanks. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Il giorno dom, 21/09/2008 alle 14.43 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: the outer border of the windows are a little pixely ( if that's a word ). I can see single pixels in the rounded edges of the outside of the window. Do you referring to that? http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nxscda2.png gp ps: I updated the wiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Yes that was what I meant. Is that due to gnome or something you can fix? FrezoreR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:56:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version Il giorno dom, 21/09/2008 alle 14.43 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: the outer border of the windows are a little pixely ( if that's a word ). I can see single pixels in the rounded edges of the outside of the window. Do you referring to that? http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nxscda2.png gp ps: I updated the wiki, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Hetaste modetipsen härligaste skönhetstesterna! http://salongk.msn.se/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Il giorno dom, 21/09/2008 alle 15.31 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: Yes that was what I meant. Is that due to gnome or something you can fix? It's a problem about Metacity decoration. I'm already trying to fix it. I don't know if it is fixable but I can try to make it more nice and consistency. Thanks for you feedback. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
I figured something like that, since it's smooth in all other parts. But hey! I've learned somethin now =) keep up the good work! -AN FrezoreR From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:57:49 +0200 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version Il giorno dom, 21/09/2008 alle 15.31 +0200, Andreas Nilsson ha scritto: Yes that was what I meant. Is that due to gnome or something you can fix? It's a problem about Metacity decoration. I'm already trying to fix it. I don't know if it is fixable but I can try to make it more nice and consistency. Thanks for you feedback. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Hetaste modetipsen härligaste skönhetstesterna! http://salongk.msn.se/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
