Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:05 -0700, Troy James Sobotka wrote: On Tue, 2006-03-10 at 21:27 +0200, Eric Schwenke wrote: Sry for filling the mailing list, but in mind of some critic i have an updatet version of my set created. Changes: - Gloss effect like the human folder one (more consistent) - Added a orange color version, in mind of human consistent These are amazingly impressive. Strengths: * Unified -- especially the orange set. * Integration factor is very high - the curvature is perfect. * Simple -- beautifully simplistic for a first draft. With a little discussion regarding some of the iconography, I think they would be a wonderful addition to the current set. This is probably the most consistent set of work that I have seen since some of Who's, when considered against the current Ubuntu schema. Sincerely, TJS Echo from me; these are really quite lovely. I only have three comments to make that is: (1) the 'cool', 'generic', 'oh-no!', 'share', 'urgent' and 'web' all have white outlines, that is white circles before giving way to the final orange border. I can see why the 'web' one would be designed like this but the others I listed above in contrast the rest of the icons, it doesn't make sense. (2) Some of the icons have thinner and sharper lines/corners, while others don't. For example look at 'photos', 'cvs-modified', and 'mail'. Now compare them to something like 'presentation'. Maybe we should make sure the thickness of the lines are more similar and perhaps the same for a corner's sharpeness/acuteness. (3) Personally 'photos' and 'pictures' should be swapped, that is, 'photos' icon becomes the icon for 'pictures' and visa versa. Currently the icon for 'Pictures' reminds me more of a polaroid or some other form of photograph. :) If you want I can play around with them to illustrate what I mean. ...But overall, awesome work! -Pascal signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
I noticed that the orange version of these icons has appeared in edgy. For what it's worth, I'd like to dissent on this decision. They are very well done icons, there is no doubt. But they are all the same colour. I agree with the previous point about colour and form recognition. I have also seen how people use the emblems in Ubuntu. I do Ubuntu installs for lots of non-technical users and then provide ongoing support for them, so I see how they use Ubuntu, and one thing they always want to do is customise their system by changing the theme, background etc. They also always seem to discover nautilus emblems and use them for this purpose -- they stick multiple emblems on all their folders. They don't necessarily do this in the obvious way (photos emblem for photos folder, etc.), instead, they pick the most colourful, most fun emblems, and just stick them on random files and folders in order to make the whole thing more colourful, interesting and personal. This is something Ubuntu has that Windows XP does not, and that people actually use. These orange emblems, while as I've said they are very well done, they all look very similar, and they are not very fun or colourful. They use only two colours for the entire set of emblems. So adding the orange emblem set would destroy this use-case I've described, which is how every user I've seen uses emblems. I'm talking about non-geeks here, I have seen about 12 examples, they all used them in the same way. The colour version of the same emblems that was also posted in this thread would be far, far better than the orange version, in my opinion, but I'm still not sure if they're as fun and varied as the standard GNOME emblems. Ubuntu has plenty of orange. People will want to customise their desktop by giving it more colours. My two cents. Responses? On 10/4/06, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivan Sagalaev wrote: While such a unification might be good from the artists point of view it's not that good for usability. Three primary characteristics by which humans distinguish things are form, color and pattern. These icons eliminate form recognition (they are all round) and the orange set eliminates color recognition as well! Ah - this is a very good point. I wonder if we can test that in any way? I didn't like the non-Orange set so much because I wasn't sure of the palette (especially the grey circles). But I see what you mean about the importance of colour and form for differentiation. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
Could we have the icons abide by the Tango specification? I think they need that 'double dark-light border' that allows them to be visible against any background, but otherwise they are perfect. On Tue, 2006-10-03 at 21:27 +0200, Eric Schwenke wrote: Sry for filling the mailing list, but in mind of some critic i have an updatet version of my set created. Changes: - Gloss effect like the human folder one (more consistent) - Added a orange color version, in mind of human consistent Hope you like and critic is ever welcome! Eric Schwenke -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
Eric Schwenke wrote: Sry for filling the mailing list, but in mind of some critic i have an updatet version of my set created. Changes: - Gloss effect like the human folder one (more consistent) - Added a orange color version, in mind of human consistent The Orange version looks like it would just drop in! How many of these emblems are replacements for existing emblems in the Human icon set, and how many are new (in the sense that there is not already an emblem in Human?) Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
Ah okay. On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 08:39 +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Jesse Schalken wrote: Could we have the icons abide by the Tango specification? I think they need that 'double dark-light border' that allows them to be visible against any background, but otherwise they are perfect. Tango is not the default schema for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: Eric Schwenke wrote: I don't understand completely the question, but I'll do my best to answer. I have created these set to have a new human like style for the emblems in these dialog (attached). The idea for this, comes from the small orange circle with a house, on the bottom of the home folder. I thought it's would be nice to have these look on every folder, and created a set of new emblems to replace all old ones (in these dialog) for a better consistent. OK. Frank, can you see if we can integrate this into Edgy Human? Will there be any conflicts? I'll do my best to find out where and how we can get these in, I'm not sure yet whether or not we can have multiple sets of emblems, but I think it should be possible to have at least one set per icon theme. It's certainly a very nice effort by Eric and it would fit in nicely, especially with the adjusted gloss line, I wonder where you found the inspiration for that, Eric :-) With kind regards, Frank Schoep -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
Troy James Sobotka wrote: Strengths: * Unified -- especially the orange set. While such a unification might be good from the artists point of view it's not that good for usability. Three primary characteristics by which humans distinguish things are form, color and pattern. These icons eliminate form recognition (they are all round) and the orange set eliminates color recognition as well! While this may seem highly theoretic but I can assure that it's true in practice. I use emblems a lot for designating not only my photos, docs and music folder but also my different programming projects. Current icons work just great, I almost never think even a millisecond before clicking the right folder. New icons make me fill like I suddenly become blind :-( I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh... The icons themselves are beautiful but they aren't usable... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 15:28 +0400, Ivan Sagalaev wrote: Troy James Sobotka wrote: Strengths: * Unified -- especially the orange set. While such a unification might be good from the artists point of view it's not that good for usability. Three primary characteristics by which humans distinguish things are form, color and pattern. These icons eliminate form recognition (they are all round) and the orange set eliminates color recognition as well! It is hard to debate the color recagnition, but on the form recognition I must admit that I disagree. Form-wise I actually think these emblems stand better than the current ones. Try and compare Read Only, Documents, Draft, Mail and Sales. How are they for form recognition in the standard set? I actually think they do good in Erics layout. The default emblems does also have a more complex structure which makes them more difficult to tell apart in my eyes. I look at the new emblems like this: The orange is just a background. The real form recognition goes on between the white outlines. While this may seem highly theoretic but I can assure that it's true in practice. I use emblems a lot for designating not only my photos, docs and music folder but also my different programming projects. Current icons work just great, I almost never think even a millisecond before clicking the right folder. New icons make me fill like I suddenly become blind :-( I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh... The icons themselves are beautiful but they aren't usable... Well, I have to disagree, but again we can't really talk usability based on personal preferences. Cheers, Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New emblems are complete! (update)
Ivan Sagalaev wrote: While such a unification might be good from the artists point of view it's not that good for usability. Three primary characteristics by which humans distinguish things are form, color and pattern. These icons eliminate form recognition (they are all round) and the orange set eliminates color recognition as well! Ah - this is a very good point. I wonder if we can test that in any way? I didn't like the non-Orange set so much because I wasn't sure of the palette (especially the grey circles). But I see what you mean about the importance of colour and form for differentiation. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
