Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Very nice! I like that idea, but thought perhaps you could try implementing that into the sparkle ones. I agree that the icons should be similar, but show a difference. However the up arrow looks a little too much like a house to me. Makes me think of the "home" folder. Well, just some ideas. John Eric Schwenke wrote: Hi there, the idea with different icons for different update sorts is very nice and we should integrate that in future version. My idea about that, don't use different icons, many users go crazy and thinking on different apps. I would use colors, orange for "normal", green for "all ok" and red for "critic". I have updated my icon as a little preview: hope u like it! Sincerely Eric S. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 21:59:28 Nacho de los Ríos Tormo wrote: > I suggest that we might somehow add the "newness sparks flying out" > metaphor that is often used in other icons to indicate new something. > Like, for example, a sparking new computer inside the up arrow. > > Might that be a good idea? To me, sparks flying out of a computer means the thing is about to go up in flames :-) Which other icons do you mean? Not sure if I have seen this before. Bye, Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
I suggest that we might somehow add the "newness sparks flying out" metaphor that is often used in other icons to indicate new something. Like, for example, a sparking new computer inside the up arrow. Might that be a good idea? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi there, the idea with different icons for different update sorts is very nice and we should integrate that in future version. My idea about that, don't use different icons, many users go crazy and thinking on different apps. I would use colors, orange for "normal", green for "all ok" and red for "critic". I have updated my icon as a little preview: hope u like it! Sincerely Eric S. <> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 18:04:15 Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > 2007/2/14, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [SNIP] > > > The exclamation mark in the bottom one is kinda hard for me to > > see/understand and having the box in the front seems to make the icon > > look a bit too busy for my tastes. > > I mean the previous one, affing stuff to the latest icons is not > really possible. Now I understand. Thanks for clearing that up :-) Once we have decided upon the exact metaphors I think the only thing left to do is to make sure that it is "humanized" (ie it matches the style of the Human icons). It is pretty close now, probably only needs a bit of tweaking ot be perfect. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
2007/2/14, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [SNIP] > The exclamation mark in the bottom one is kinda hard for me to see/understand > and having the box in the front seems to make the icon look a bit too busy > for my tastes. I mean the previous one, affing stuff to the latest icons is not really possible. Ciao Lapo -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi Lapo, On Wednesday 14 February 2007 16:47:31 Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > This is what I have in mind for software-update-available and the > uparrow-exclamationmark for software-update-urgent (eventually), the > orange arrow should tie the two icons together. These icons (I prefer > the one at the bottom) should work for our current needs imho (generic > update available icon). > > Ciao > Lapo Looking good :-) The exclamation mark in the bottom one is kinda hard for me to see/understand and having the box in the front seems to make the icon look a bit too busy for my tastes. What does everyone else think about this? Bye, Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
This is what I have in mind for software-update-available and the uparrow-exclamationmark for software-update-urgent (eventually), the orange arrow should tie the two icons together. These icons (I prefer the one at the bottom) should work for our current needs imho (generic update available icon). Ciao Lapo software-update-available.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:57:22 Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > 2007/2/14, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [SNIP] > > > I really liked the version with the computer on top :-) Another idea > > would be to use the orange version for normal updates and the red version > > for urgent updates. > very good point indeed. > uhm, since I'm colorblind I'm not to fond on color coding, I think > those needs two related but different (in shape) icons having the > optional updates notification icon not so orange :-) > > > Not totally sure, but I think that Feature Freeze prevents us from adding > > this kind of funcionality for Feisty. > > stuff for feisty+1 then. > > In the meantime I'll do the other sizes of what I have and post here > pngs + "sources" > > Ciao > Lapo Great! thanks :-) Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 03:53:34 Troy James Sobotka wrote: > Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > > *Really* like the arrows, the orange one suits me better but I could > > live with the red one too. > > > > Ken? > > Should be Humanized though shouldn't it? It is pretty close now, but yes, it should fit well into the theme. Bye, Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
2007/2/14, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [SNIP] > I really liked the version with the computer on top :-) Another idea would be > to use the orange version for normal updates and the red version for urgent > updates. > uhm, since I'm colorblind I'm not to fond on color coding, I think those needs two related but different (in shape) icons having the optional updates notification icon not so orange :-) > Not totally sure, but I think that Feature Freeze prevents us from adding this > kind of funcionality for Feisty. stuff for feisty+1 then. In the meantime I'll do the other sizes of what I have and post here pngs + "sources" Ciao Lapo -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi, On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:03:12 Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > I checked the naimng specs, it contemplate software-update-available > and software-update-urgent: > > software-update-available: The icon used when an update is available > for software installed on the computing device, through the system > software update program. > > software-update-urgent: The icon used when an urgent update is > available through the system software update program. > > It could be usefull to have update-mager to notify in a different way > a critical update from an optional one, in that case the bold > up-arrow/exclamation-mark icon could be used for > software-update-urgent and another subtler icon for > software-update-available. > > Lapo I really liked the version with the computer on top :-) Another idea would be to use the orange version for normal updates and the red version for urgent updates. Not totally sure, but I think that Feature Freeze prevents us from adding this kind of funcionality for Feisty. Bye, Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
I checked the naimng specs, it contemplate software-update-available and software-update-urgent: software-update-available: The icon used when an update is available for software installed on the computing device, through the system software update program. software-update-urgent: The icon used when an urgent update is available through the system software update program. It could be usefull to have update-mager to notify in a different way a critical update from an optional one, in that case the bold up-arrow/exclamation-mark icon could be used for software-update-urgent and another subtler icon for software-update-available. Lapo -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Am Mittwoch, den 14.02.2007, 08:48 +0100 schrieb Eric Schwenke: > I like the icons from Lapo and used the arrow idea for a new icon. > > SVG Inside, Licence: GPL > > Sincerely Eric S. A little bit improved. - colors improved - arrow with more contrast - gloss is more human like Update2.svg Description: image/svg g4642.png Description: PNG image g4641.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
I like the icons from Lapo and used the arrow idea for a new icon. SVG Inside, Licence: GPL Sincerely Eric S. g2282.png Description: PNG image g2283.png Description: PNG image Update.svg Description: image/svg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > *Really* like the arrows, the orange one suits me better but I could > live with the red one too. > > Ken? Should be Humanized though shouldn't it? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0nmuar0EasPEHjQRAtb4AJ9NeKs6jpQKm/TlUBPGiRB5vSW9agCgtZce psoPiC+yE/8ub9fbJfZPVQE= =rERY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 01:30:44 Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > 2007/2/13, David Prieto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On mar, 2007-02-13 at 22:38 +0100, Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > > > What about something like these? > > > > That red arrow looks GREAT! > > continuing with the arrow trend, here's another try with a stylized > computer on it Excellent! The orange version is still my favorite. I like these best as they say to me that the computer needs to be udpated better than an exclamation point can. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 22:59:13 Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > > What about something like these? > > > > Lapo > > > > > > *Really* like the arrows, the orange one suits me better but I could > live with the red one too. > > Ken? > > Mark The orange arrow looks great and indicates importance but not problems. Nice! Just one idea, not sure if it would work or not, but here goes: put it on top of a small app window, to signify that we are updating software - not sure if this would not be too crowded or not but it might be worth a try. The red star says "crash" very well to me. I think it would be nice for the apport icon although that might be overdoing the exclamation point usage in the panel. Are there SVGs available? If not, I'd love to help make them. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
2007/2/13, David Prieto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On mar, 2007-02-13 at 22:38 +0100, Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > What about something like these? That red arrow looks GREAT! continuing with the arrow trend, here's another try with a stylized computer on it Lapo system-update-available-alt.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
How about a cd as they are strongly associated with software. tonic On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 23:45 +0100, Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > 2007/2/13, Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > I like the idea of the up arrow, it does seem to symbolize "upgrading" or > > "improving". Needs to go along with something, though. > > Since the icon needs to be bold the dominant color should be something > like red or orage, I can try to push in the 22x22 canvas a computer or > a gear to symbolize the system somehow but I fear it will be too > crowded, I'll try out something though > > > > > Mark > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
2007/2/13, Mark Shuttleworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I like the idea of the up arrow, it does seem to symbolize "upgrading" or > "improving". Needs to go along with something, though. Since the icon needs to be bold the dominant color should be something like red or orage, I can try to push in the 22x22 canvas a computer or a gear to symbolize the system somehow but I fear it will be too crowded, I'll try out something though > > Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Lapo Calamandrei wrote: What about something like these? Lapo *Really* like the arrows, the orange one suits me better but I could live with the red one too. Ken? Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
I like the idea of the up arrow, it does seem to symbolize "upgrading" or "improving". Needs to go along with something, though. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
On mar, 2007-02-13 at 22:38 +0100, Lapo Calamandrei wrote: > What about something like these? That red arrow looks GREAT! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
What about something like these? Lapo system-update-available.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
I would think that the arrow icon would work well in conjunction with the notification bubble that we currently get. Actually it would be even better if the icon was on the bubble too. It would certainly draw a lot more attention to the message. cheers, tonic On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 08:54 -0800, Troy James Sobotka wrote: > Here is a Humanized offering of the arrow suggestion from Yann, along > with the newer Apport notification icon and the existing "Warning" > dialog icon. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Troy James Sobotka a écrit : > Here is a Humanized offering of the arrow suggestion from Yann, along > with the newer Apport notification icon and the existing "Warning" > dialog icon. I really like this one, good work! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here is a Humanized offering of the arrow suggestion from Yann, along with the newer Apport notification icon and the existing "Warning" dialog icon. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0e1Mar0EasPEHjQRAkXOAKDCSa6rDaMeremkzRbhVW+qDxLIjACdGBCd tyHt76MYNQpiahP/2X2kUdM= =jRW0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi, I did a similar work :) Étienne update-notifier.svg Description: image/svg updates-notifier.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It is of utmost importance to consider who our audience is before we try to communicate with them. Who are they? I can tell you after having used Ubuntu since Warty, that I still have no clue. _If_ our audience were Joe and Josephine Average, with exposure to only the mainstream operating systems, we can probably argue: 1) 22 pixel icons simply do not suffice on a communication level alone. I would be willing to suggest that subject to a focus group, there is _no_ 22 pixel icon that would precisely and clearly communicate anything more than 'something to do with a pencil and paper' or like vaguetries. 2) "Universal" is yet another path of folly. Urgent is always, once again, dependent on your audience. My six year old probably considers a blinking icon of something that looks like a 'dog' urgent. To negotiate the current dilemma of our design lacking a decisive target audience, and in the name of consistency, it is probably worth applying ourselves within the language Ubuntu already tries to establish. * Utilize the iconography present across the various dialog displays. After a term of user interaction, the user will have been exposed to one or more of these (albeit not possibly as consistently as is ideal), and could possibly make the connection. These are located in /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable/status and expand this 'vocabulary' only where it is absolutely required. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0ebSar0EasPEHjQRAlFMAKDlNYqK5Q+jJExa0KyWqmlXLC/nPACfUeE9 TriLSUPrGCn6YqagZnufzxE= =/7/L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Viper550 a écrit : > Firefox uses various circles with up arrows on them (green for > extension upgrades, red for browser updates). We could adapt one of > these ideas, since people are familiar with their associations with > updates due to the popularity of both products. Yes this is true! Why not an orange arrow (oriented to the up) that replaces the cd on the synaptic box from the tangerine theme? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Étienne Bersac wrote: > Hi, > > They makes sense, however they still looks like label where people are > waiting for icon. > > Étienne. > > > I kinda like what XP SP2 and Firefox does for updates, XP uses a yellow shield with an exclamation point on it, and Firefox uses various circles with up arrows on them (green for extension upgrades, red for browser updates). We could adapt one of these ideas, since people are familiar with their associations with updates due to the popularity of both products. viper550 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi, They makes sense, however they still looks like label where people are waiting for icon. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi there, i have modified the current notifier icon a little bit, three variations, hope u like one of them! Sincerely Eric S. updates-notifier(blurry).png Description: PNG image updates-notifier2(blurry).png Description: PNG image updates-notifier3(blurry).png Description: PNG image updates-notifier3.png Description: PNG image updates-notifier2.png Description: PNG image updates-notifier.png Description: PNG image -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi, just wanted to add that i think the Tango icon would, or does (http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/16x16/apps/system-software-update.png) not work on a small size. I also think the metaphor of the Tango icon is not optimal. I like the "recycle-arrows", but i am afraid that some people could misinterprete the "internet-metaphor" (globe to a cable) with something concerning their internet connection. Something like "you are online" or some internet-settings things.. I have to say that i am used to the small orange "a new star is born"-icon (good metaphor (?)). Maybe a combination of the "recycle-arrows" and the clear visible layout of the current icon would be worth trying. bye, andi On Di, 2007-02-13 at 01:31 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > Hi Étienne, > > My suggestion to change the icon would be to "humanize" a tango icon: > > http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/apps/system-software-update.svg > > It seems like a decent metaphor although I am not sure how well it would work > at 16x16. That is the best thing about the current icon -it works well at > very small sizes. > > Bye, > Ken > > On Monday 12 February 2007 23:54:16 Étienne Bersac wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > > > I don't want agressive. The red hat example is far too annoying for my > > taste. And may be very disturbing. (Especially in development release, i > > sometimes let updates awaiting). > > > > The two points are : > > > > * Icon is not consistent with panel icon. I just had an idea : a > > package with the "new" label like in "new directory". Or the > > same picto as in Add/Remove software + the "new" label. This > > will make sense and will be coherent with both panel icons and > > wide theme. > > * Icon does not clearly mean "update available". See : the > > prefered app capplet icon refer to boxed cdrom software even if > > about 99, percent of softwares in the system are downloaded. > > The same way, the update icon should rely on a known relation > > between reality and concept. The idea i suggest above is quite > > good, altough, Ken might have better idea (or yourself !) > > > > Thanks Master :) > > > > Étienne. > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
That seems like it would be completely bad at 16x16 even as an svg, (It is a nice icon though, and I like it's use on the Update Program itself (That's where it's used now right?)) we do need something a tad more eye catching though... not enough to break scheme. but enough to tell the user occasionally HEY! Look at me! Without annoying the people who already get it. If we had the composite by default spec matched I'd say a minor pulse or ripple coming from the tray icon (not blam in your face but noticeable) after very source list update yielding upgrades, but in this case I would say possible what we have now, occasionally transitioning to red. You know what I mean? It would be a little more eye catching, and not really break scheme, though borderline. The actual implementation of this is up to you all, but I think it would be enough to satisfy everyone, simply. On 2/12/07, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Étienne, My suggestion to change the icon would be to "humanize" a tango icon: http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/apps/system-software-update.svg It seems like a decent metaphor although I am not sure how well it would work at 16x16. That is the best thing about the current icon -it works well at very small sizes. Bye, Ken On Monday 12 February 2007 23:54:16 Étienne Bersac wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I don't want agressive. The red hat example is far too annoying for my > taste. And may be very disturbing. (Especially in development release, i > sometimes let updates awaiting). > > The two points are : > > * Icon is not consistent with panel icon. I just had an idea : a > package with the "new" label like in "new directory". Or the > same picto as in Add/Remove software + the "new" label. This > will make sense and will be coherent with both panel icons and > wide theme. > * Icon does not clearly mean "update available". See : the > prefered app capplet icon refer to boxed cdrom software even if > about 99, percent of softwares in the system are downloaded. > The same way, the update icon should rely on a known relation > between reality and concept. The idea i suggest above is quite > good, altough, Ken might have better idea (or yourself !) > > Thanks Master :) > > Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Cheers, Bryan -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi Étienne, My suggestion to change the icon would be to "humanize" a tango icon: http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/apps/system-software-update.svg It seems like a decent metaphor although I am not sure how well it would work at 16x16. That is the best thing about the current icon -it works well at very small sizes. Bye, Ken On Monday 12 February 2007 23:54:16 Étienne Bersac wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I don't want agressive. The red hat example is far too annoying for my > taste. And may be very disturbing. (Especially in development release, i > sometimes let updates awaiting). > > The two points are : > > * Icon is not consistent with panel icon. I just had an idea : a > package with the "new" label like in "new directory". Or the > same picto as in Add/Remove software + the "new" label. This > will make sense and will be coherent with both panel icons and > wide theme. > * Icon does not clearly mean "update available". See : the > prefered app capplet icon refer to boxed cdrom software even if > about 99, percent of softwares in the system are downloaded. > The same way, the update icon should rely on a known relation > between reality and concept. The idea i suggest above is quite > good, altough, Ken might have better idea (or yourself !) > > Thanks Master :) > > Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Yes master :P Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Étienne Bersac wrote: > I don't want agressive. The red hat example is far too annoying for my > taste. And may be very disturbing. (Especially in development release, i > sometimes let updates awaiting). > > The two points are : > > * Icon is not consistent with panel icon. I just had an idea : a > package with the "new" label like in "new directory". Or the > same picto as in Add/Remove software + the "new" label. This > will make sense and will be coherent with both panel icons and > wide theme. > * Icon does not clearly mean "update available". See : the > prefered app capplet icon refer to boxed cdrom software even if > about 99, percent of softwares in the system are downloaded. > The same way, the update icon should rely on a known relation > between reality and concept. The idea i suggest above is quite > good, altough, Ken might have better idea (or yourself !) > OK. Make up some suggestions and send them to the list and Ken! Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Hi Mark, I don't want agressive. The red hat example is far too annoying for my taste. And may be very disturbing. (Especially in development release, i sometimes let updates awaiting). The two points are : * Icon is not consistent with panel icon. I just had an idea : a package with the "new" label like in "new directory". Or the same picto as in Add/Remove software + the "new" label. This will make sense and will be coherent with both panel icons and wide theme. * Icon does not clearly mean "update available". See : the prefered app capplet icon refer to boxed cdrom software even if about 99, percent of softwares in the system are downloaded. The same way, the update icon should rely on a known relation between reality and concept. The idea i suggest above is quite good, altough, Ken might have better idea (or yourself !) Thanks Master :) Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
Étienne Bersac wrote: > As i noticed during the dapper cycle, the update-notifier icon is wrong. > It has one goal : tell the user to manually trigger update. I notice > that neither my father nor my mother nor any other membres of my family > understood that (that's almost all the clueless people i can observe). > Even if i tell them several times the meaning of this icon. > > up2date icon from RH is far better : a glowing red circle with an > exclamation mark. > > Also, there is something very confusing in this icon : it follows the > label's convention i.e. flat orange background + white sketch. > Notification icons are icons similar to menu icon. They must follow the > same guideline ! > > Ubuntu has very very nice notification area icons, thanks to Gnome (see > how ugly are Windows® Vista systray official icons !!!). > > So i found that this icons fail to warn the users (please tell be about > your clueless users) and does not fit well in the panel. > > What are we going to do in order to fix that issue ? > Etienne, if I understand you correctly your main concern is that the icon is not "aggressive" (red) enough. I agree that the icon needs to attract attention, but am not sure I agree that it needs to be a big red warning sign. I just updated my package list to see the icon again and it seemed to me to be very adequately serious - and when you mouse over it, it tells you what you need to see. In short, I myself don't think it needs to change, but I'm sure Ken and other artists will consider suggested updates. Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
The update-notifier icon looks like the restart button of MS Windows XP (You can it here http://www.ashkon.com/images/rebootex.gif) The only difference for me is the color (green for Windows, orange for Ubuntu) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Update-notifier icon
2007/2/3, Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi all, As i noticed during the dapper cycle, the update-notifier icon is wrong. It has one goal : tell the user to manually trigger update. I notice that neither my father nor my mother nor any other membres of my family understood that (that's almost all the clueless people i can observe). Even if i tell them several times the meaning of this icon. I have installed Ubuntu at a few other places and I can confirm you report. People don't click the icon. I'm not sure it is because they don't know that they have top do it, or it's just that they don't dare or bother... I'm not 100% about their motives. Cheers, Mikkel up2date icon from RH is far better : a glowing red circle with an exclamation mark. Also, there is something very confusing in this icon : it follows the label's convention i.e. flat orange background + white sketch. Notification icons are icons similar to menu icon. They must follow the same guideline ! Ubuntu has very very nice notification area icons, thanks to Gnome (see how ugly are Windows(r) Vista systray official icons !!!). So i found that this icons fail to warn the users (please tell be about your clueless users) and does not fit well in the panel. What are we going to do in order to fix that issue ? Please comment. Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Julian Turner wrote: Mark Shuttleworth wrote: These are really nice! If you can get those into Tangerine, we might promote them to Human with some slight tweaks. For a start, the smaller version we want should be 22x22 not 24x24 because we have sucked that bit of bong from Tango :-) Thanks! They actually are 22x22, I just mis-labeled them because I'm so used to 24 px size. However I'm not sure whether these 22 pixels should include 1 px border around the actual icon (currently they don't). If no-one has any better ideas than using the same shape for "update" and "restart" (which I think is alright, since both icons represent the task quite well and people are used to them), I'm going to give the arrows some fine-tuning, and propose the icon for inclusion in Tangerine. Julian Hello Julian! Yes, it would be great to have these icons in Tangerine. It would be great to get rid of the current icon. I've made some small tweaks to the icon, like adding a box behind it, in order to make the connection between Add/Remove applications and the update-notifier more clear. I've also made the icon green to make it more positive, as red might be seen as "warning, dangerous stuff ahead!", when most of the time a system update is something good (like plunging a security hole in firefox and similar stuff). Here are a tar.gz with the changes: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/tango/software-update-avaible.tar.gz If you are happy with these modifications, I'll push it into Tangerine as soon as possible. - Andreas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Étienne Bersac wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if it's such a good idea to use exactly the same symbol for the update icon as for the restart icon. Especially when both appear besides each other it looks a bit like "we couldn't think of anything else". :-) You're right. Maybe a up-arrow should fit the idea of upgrade/update ? I think using double arrows for both is fine as long as the icons are quite different. Currently we have a red disc with white arrows on it for update and two purple arrows floating in space for restart. Having a related shape is good because user will associate these two events as part of the same process to an extent. The colour difference is a useful cue for most people and the difference in silhouette is useful for colour blind people. The red is quite edgy, saying 'Do the update now!' and the purple is more relaxed (and matches the one on the logout dialogue). I would suggest changing the restart one to green, but that might be just me. - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
j Mak wrote: I disagree with Henrik. I think the icon needs a gloss because all the other icons on the panel have some kind of gloss to them; so this feature would make it stylistically blend better with the rest. I also think they should have gloss, but that the arrows should be painted on top of the gloss like on a solid sign and not embedded inside like clear plastic. The main thing is that the arrows need to be clearer. I like these new ones. I agree that a shade of red between those two might be good, and also that it should be slightly smaller. Ideally you would shrink the circle by 2px, but leave the arrows as they are (bringing them slightly closer to the edge). - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
I disagree with Henrik. I think the icon needs a gloss because all the other icons on the panel have some kind of gloss to them; so this feature would make it stylistically blend better with the rest.J. Mak Julian Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I made another version without swooshes and outlines on the arrows:http://members.inode.at/387112/update-mockup.png shows what it look likeon the panel (the arrows still need some fine-tuning).That image also contains a darker version (both colors are from theUbuntu palette, but I like the lighter one better.Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:> IMO, both of these versions (Julian's and Manu's) have too much detail. > The fancy arrow ribbon which flips around in 3D is to delicate. I like > the glossy look, but I would put plain white arrows on the surface and > not sunken into the translucent plastic (does that make sense?)> > Also try using the slightly darker Ubuntu red.-- ubuntu-art mailing listubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Étienne Bersac wrote: > You're right. Maybe a up-arrow should fit the idea of upgrade/update ? That's probably not a good idea, since it's a metaphor based on language (like the old "log" icon for the system log. We shouldn't do that, because such metaphors won't necessarily work in all languages. What icons do other popular desktop OS's use for updates? Julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > These are really nice! If you can get those into Tangerine, we might > promote them to Human with some slight tweaks. For a start, the > smaller version we want should be 22x22 not 24x24 because we have > sucked that bit of bong from Tango :-) Thanks! They actually are 22x22, I just mis-labeled them because I'm so used to 24 px size. However I'm not sure whether these 22 pixels should include 1 px border around the actual icon (currently they don't). If no-one has any better ideas than using the same shape for "update" and "restart" (which I think is alright, since both icons represent the task quite well and people are used to them), I'm going to give the arrows some fine-tuning, and propose the icon for inclusion in Tangerine. Julian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Hello, I'm wondering if it's such a good idea to use exactly the same symbol for the update icon as for the restart icon. Especially when both appear besides each other it looks a bit like "we couldn't think of anything else". :-) You're right. Maybe a up-arrow should fit the idea of upgrade/update ? Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
On 3/23/06, Julian Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I made another version without swooshes and outlines on the arrows: > http://members.inode.at/387112/update-mockup.png shows what it look like > on the panel (the arrows still need some fine-tuning). > That image also contains a darker version (both colors are from the > Ubuntu palette, but I like the lighter one better. I like them a lot, but I'm wondering if it's such a good idea to use exactly the same symbol for the update icon as for the restart icon. Especially when both appear besides each other it looks a bit like "we couldn't think of anything else". :-) I really can't think of anything else though... (aside from different arrow shapes). Also we should probably take care that all those notification icons are consistent in style. Daniel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Julian Turner wrote: I made another version without swooshes and outlines on the arrows: http://members.inode.at/387112/update-mockup.png shows what it look like on the panel (the arrows still need some fine-tuning). That image also contains a darker version (both colors are from the Ubuntu palette, but I like the lighter one better. These are really nice! If you can get those into Tangerine, we might promote them to Human with some slight tweaks. For a start, the smaller version we want should be 22x22 not 24x24 because we have sucked that bit of bong from Tango :-) Mark -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Hello, I made another version without swooshes and outlines on the arrows: http://members.inode.at/387112/update-mockup.png shows what it look like on the panel (the arrows still need some fine-tuning). That image also contains a darker version (both colors are from the Ubuntu palette, but I like the lighter one better. Yes, this one is quite better. You should use a red between the two in the picture :) Étienne. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
I made another version without swooshes and outlines on the arrows: http://members.inode.at/387112/update-mockup.png shows what it look like on the panel (the arrows still need some fine-tuning). That image also contains a darker version (both colors are from the Ubuntu palette, but I like the lighter one better. Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote: > IMO, both of these versions (Julian's and Manu's) have too much detail. > The fancy arrow ribbon which flips around in 3D is to delicate. I like > the glossy look, but I would put plain white arrows on the surface and > not sunken into the translucent plastic (does that make sense?) > > Also try using the slightly darker Ubuntu red. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Julian Turner wrote: Hi! You're absolutely right about the exclamation mark - it's just visual noise. But I found the gloss effect on your version doesn't make it easier to recognise the arrows: it lessens contrast. I did a quick gimp-up based on your work (I'm not a great vector artist, so I imported your arrows into the GIMP), in the style of my Still Life set: IMO, both of these versions (Julian's and Manu's) have too much detail. The fancy arrow ribbon which flips around in 3D is to delicate. I like the glossy look, but I would put plain white arrows on the surface and not sunken into the translucent plastic (does that make sense?) Also try using the slightly darker Ubuntu red. - Henrik -- http://www.ubuntu.com http://www.theopencd.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] update-notifier icon
Hi! You're absolutely right about the exclamation mark - it's just visual noise. But I found the gloss effect on your version doesn't make it easier to recognise the arrows: it lessens contrast. I did a quick gimp-up based on your work (I'm not a great vector artist, so I imported your arrows into the GIMP), in the style of my Still Life set: 48x48 px version: http://members.inode.at/387112/update-48.png 24x24 px version: http://members.inode.at/387112/update-24.png The colours are from the Ubuntu palette. Cheers, Julian Am Donnerstag, den 23.03.2006, 11:36 +0100 schrieb Manu Cornet: > Since I switched to Ubuntu (hoary), I've always found that the > update-notifier icon (red circle with arrows) was not very clear : the > arrows are too thin (I actually needed a few weeks to realize they were > arrows), and the green "!" gets in the way. I think the color red is > enough of a warning without adding another "!" like "Upgrade now or > you're gonna die within the minute !" :) > > So I gave a try at designing a new icon, which I think blends better > into the current theme (and also quite tango-like). Here is the SVG > version : > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/update.svg > > a large PNG version : > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/update_big.png > > and a smaller (not optimized, it would probably need a little > refinement) PNG, 24 pixels high (same as the default top panel) : > > http://www.manucornet.net/ubuntu/dev/update.png > > What do you guys think ? > > Cheers, > Manu -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
