Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 14:56 +0100, Ivanka Majic wrote: > Maybe we could list out some requirements on the wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/WorkshopConception > Are we talking just about a single wallpaper site for gathering and > voting as well as a place people can go to pick up wallpapers? At last > count we got 19 wallpapers on the CD which is great but there are so > many brilliant ones that it seems a shame not to be able to provide > people with a simple way of adding more. I would split submitting work for discussion/selection from offering it to users. Work-in-progress has to be presented as such. Wallpapers offered for the upcoming release should be clearly presented as such. It might be possible to offer submissions directly on a ready-for-use/direct-to-the-user area after clicking just one button. > Should there be a separate conversation about more general artwork stuff > and whether or not a wiki is the best tool for us? Should be the same conversation, I think. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 23:53 +0530, Boudhayan Gupta wrote: > Dear Ivanka, > > That would mean hacking into some GTK+ and libGNOME code. Period. > > Obviously, its easy, but its not our work. We could approach > Cannonical about it. > > Yours, > Boudhayan Gupta FYI, Ivanka works for Canonical ;) -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
Dear Ivanka, That would mean hacking into some GTK+ and libGNOME code. Period. Obviously, its easy, but its not our work. We could approach Cannonical about it. Yours, Boudhayan Gupta +91 97483 78224 Sent from my Nokia(R) 9300i Communicator(TM) _ Original message _ Subject:Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site Author: Ivanka Majic Date: 09th October 2009 10:57:19 PM On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 16:13 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > how about some tool that integrates deeply with content from a website > but just sits as an additional piece in the wallpaper selector of the > desktop ... > > for example: > > the content of the scrolling window in the wallpaper selection dialog is > split in two halves (just add two headlines to the area), the top has > all local wallpapers, if you scroll down there is a section "online > wallpapers" that shows thumbnails of online wallapapers from i.e. > "wallpapers.ubuntu.com" where the top (50/100) community selected > wallpapers for a release live. This sounds like a sensible idea. Anyone know if there are technical reasons against? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 16:13 +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > how about some tool that integrates deeply with content from a website > but just sits as an additional piece in the wallpaper selector of the > desktop ... > > for example: > > the content of the scrolling window in the wallpaper selection dialog is > split in two halves (just add two headlines to the area), the top has > all local wallpapers, if you scroll down there is a section "online > wallpapers" that shows thumbnails of online wallapapers from i.e. > "wallpapers.ubuntu.com" where the top (50/100) community selected > wallpapers for a release live. This sounds like a sensible idea. Anyone know if there are technical reasons against? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 16:13 +0200, Frank Karlitschek wrote: > Hi, > > I´m running this site: > http://www.ubuntu-art.org/ > > Isn´t this more or less what you requested? > Let me know if you need more features and I can see what I can do. > By the way a redesign is coming soon. :-) Ah great - I will try to have a look over the weekend (I want to go home now!) > > We also support the open collaboration services api. > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services > So you can access all the wallpapers via an REST api and download it > directly to the desktop if you want. > Will look at this too and chat to Ken. Have a good weekend all! Ivanka -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
Hi, I´m running this site: http://www.ubuntu-art.org/ Isn´t this more or less what you requested? Let me know if you need more features and I can see what I can do. By the way a redesign is coming soon. :-) We also support the open collaboration services api. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-services So you can access all the wallpapers via an REST api and download it directly to the desktop if you want. What do you think? Cheers Frank On 09.10.2009, at 15:56, Ivanka Majic wrote: > Maybe we could list out some requirements on the wiki? > > Are we talking just about a single wallpaper site for gathering and > voting as well as a place people can go to pick up wallpapers? At last > count we got 19 wallpapers on the CD which is great but there are so > many brilliant ones that it seems a shame not to be able to provide > people with a simple way of adding more. > > Should there be a separate conversation about more general artwork > stuff > and whether or not a wiki is the best tool for us? > > The one advantage Flickr has, for the moment at least, is that it > makes > it really easy for people who are not used to contributing but who do > like to take photos. Not sure how much that matters? > > Mailing lists and wikis are great but it can be a bit hard to get > stuck > in sometimes. > > Hope I haven't just repeated what someone else has said - last > couple of > weeks have been hectic so have only had time to skim read! > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:55 +0100, Antonio Roberts wrote: >>> For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? >> >> Depending on if the site were to have its own separate domain as far >> as I'm aware the Ubuntu Brainstorm website is built on Drupal and the >> voting system is a module/plugin for it. Rather than take up stapce >> on >> that site with votes for wallpapers I think the proposed website >> should have its own separate voting system. >> >> Ant >> >> 2009/10/9 mac_v : >>> On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:43 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: AFAICS, there are no tools to vote or compare selections. >>> >>> For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? >>> >>> For every image in the shared Ubuntuone folder , user can vote... >>> there , but this is a bit of a hassle , but only users who are >>> interested will end up voting and going through all the trouble ;) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> mac_v >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-art mailing list >>> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com >>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >>> >> > > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Frank Karlitschek fr...@opendesktop.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
hi, Am Freitag, den 09.10.2009, 14:56 +0100 schrieb Ivanka Majic: > Maybe we could list out some requirements on the wiki? > > Are we talking just about a single wallpaper site for gathering and > voting as well as a place people can go to pick up wallpapers? At last > count we got 19 wallpapers on the CD which is great but there are so > many brilliant ones that it seems a shame not to be able to provide > people with a simple way of adding more. how about some tool that integrates deeply with content from a website but just sits as an additional piece in the wallpaper selector of the desktop ... for example: the content of the scrolling window in the wallpaper selection dialog is split in two halves (just add two headlines to the area), the top has all local wallpapers, if you scroll down there is a section "online wallpapers" that shows thumbnails of online wallapapers from i.e. "wallpapers.ubuntu.com" where the top (50/100) community selected wallpapers for a release live. if you select a wallpaper from the bottom part it automatically moves to the top category (gets downloaded) and is your selected background pic. that way you can have endless amounts of wallpapers without being restricted to CD size... ciao oli signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
Maybe we could list out some requirements on the wiki? Are we talking just about a single wallpaper site for gathering and voting as well as a place people can go to pick up wallpapers? At last count we got 19 wallpapers on the CD which is great but there are so many brilliant ones that it seems a shame not to be able to provide people with a simple way of adding more. Should there be a separate conversation about more general artwork stuff and whether or not a wiki is the best tool for us? The one advantage Flickr has, for the moment at least, is that it makes it really easy for people who are not used to contributing but who do like to take photos. Not sure how much that matters? Mailing lists and wikis are great but it can be a bit hard to get stuck in sometimes. Hope I haven't just repeated what someone else has said - last couple of weeks have been hectic so have only had time to skim read! On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:55 +0100, Antonio Roberts wrote: > > For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? > > Depending on if the site were to have its own separate domain as far > as I'm aware the Ubuntu Brainstorm website is built on Drupal and the > voting system is a module/plugin for it. Rather than take up stapce on > that site with votes for wallpapers I think the proposed website > should have its own separate voting system. > > Ant > > 2009/10/9 mac_v : > > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:43 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > >> AFAICS, there are no tools to vote or compare selections. > >> > > > > For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? > > > > For every image in the shared Ubuntuone folder , user can vote... > > there , but this is a bit of a hassle , but only users who are > > interested will end up voting and going through all the trouble ;) > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > mac_v > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
> For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? Depending on if the site were to have its own separate domain as far as I'm aware the Ubuntu Brainstorm website is built on Drupal and the voting system is a module/plugin for it. Rather than take up stapce on that site with votes for wallpapers I think the proposed website should have its own separate voting system. Ant 2009/10/9 mac_v : > On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:43 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: >> AFAICS, there are no tools to vote or compare selections. >> > > For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? > > For every image in the shared Ubuntuone folder , user can vote... > there , but this is a bit of a hassle , but only users who are > interested will end up voting and going through all the trouble ;) > > > -- > Cheers, > mac_v > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:43 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > AFAICS, there are no tools to vote or compare selections. > For voting can we use ubuntu brainstorm? For every image in the shared Ubuntuone folder , user can vote... there , but this is a bit of a hassle , but only users who are interested will end up voting and going through all the trouble ;) -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:43 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > What I do think is that it's going a bit ahead of itself. At the > > moment I'm happy to use Flickr and, should the design team grow so > > large that a website is needed I'm sure then someone will fulfill that > > need. > > How do you think that "someone" would start out? > > Neither the wiki nor Flickr have all the features one would like to see. > Is it possible to use UbuntuOne? there is a folder sharing option. - create a couple of admins - use the share folder option , so all can view the files in the folder. but not everyone can edit. - users can either post the wallpapers on wiki or flicker or even send the images as attachments to the mailing list and mention the copyright on this Mailing list... I'm not sure how far this would work out... but just throwing in an idea. And since this is for Ubuntu purpose , maybe someone can convince the admins to spare a paid account for this *if* we need 50GB space. ;) -- Cheers, mac_v -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 13:26 +0200, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > > It seems like nobody else cares (or has time to care). As long as > this > > is the case, I suggest to not even think about this endeavor > anymore. > I care very much, but it was bad timing...trying to get the release > out the door atm. I added the "or has time to care" provision for you and your colleagues. I should have been explicit about the timing issue :) > We have also discussed this within the design team at Canonical at > different times to varying extents. I'd like to understand the scope > of such a site. We currently use the term "artwork" to define what > goes on here but really it is "design" in varying forms. I think we > would need to encompass that entirely...if you're going to do it, do > it right :p What I have in mind would be a site where the owner can define templates for the kind of content wanted. Each template would contain: - Technical requirements for uploads - Fields for required information - Fields for optional information - Rules for the presentation, e.g thumbnail size and placement There could be templates for: - Wallpapers - (GTK) themes - Release posters - Countdown banners - One free-form for everything else (?) Thanks to versioning, it should become possible to look at the history of each piece of artwork along with comments. The users should be freed from having to mess around with markup. Especially the markup of a whole page at once. I'm not sure in how far discussing artwork vs design would affect anything of that. I might be willing to help with the conceptional design of this, but Canonical would have to provide hosting and I would like to see at least 2 developers on it. No problem with taking this topic up again only after the release is out. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 12:04 +0100, Antonio Roberts wrote: > I think it's a bit unfair to say nobody cares, as I'd like to see > this. I said: "It _seems_ like nobody else cares (or has time to care)". So now after you spoke up, it no longer seems so ;p > What I do think is that it's going a bit ahead of itself. At the > moment I'm happy to use Flickr and, should the design team grow so > large that a website is needed I'm sure then someone will fulfill that > need. How do you think that "someone" would start out? Neither the wiki nor Flickr have all the features one would like to see. The number of submissions was already too much for the wiki (not even considering the 1700+ on Flickr). Creating a shortlist and then a final selection on Flickr wasn't exactly comfortable. Flickr doesn't support large images for plain accounts. We on the other hand *require* large images as wallpapers. You can't search for CC licensing terms within a group's pool, you can only either do a plain search in a pool, or an advanced search that can't be limited to a pool. You can't tag images that are not your own (or where you have explicit permission from the author), AFAICS, there are no tools to vote or compare selections. However, there's a large user base on Flickr and I highly doubt we would would see 1700+ submissions for one cycle on a custom site. A lot less isn't a problem, if the remaining contain the right ones, though :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
On Friday 09 October 2009 09:34:27 am Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Dear Boudhayan, > > It seems like nobody else cares (or has time to care). As long as this > is the case, I suggest to not even think about this endeavor anymore. I care very much, but it was bad timing...trying to get the release out the door atm. We have also discussed this within the design team at Canonical at different times to varying extents. I'd like to understand the scope of such a site. We currently use the term "artwork" to define what goes on here but really it is "design" in varying forms. I think we would need to encompass that entirely...if you're going to do it, do it right :p -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
I think it's a bit unfair to say nobody cares, as I'd like to see this. What I do think is that it's going a bit ahead of itself. At the moment I'm happy to use Flickr and, should the design team grow so large that a website is needed I'm sure then someone will fulfill that need. Ant 2009/10/9 Thorsten Wilms : > Dear Boudhayan, > > It seems like nobody else cares (or has time to care). As long as this > is the case, I suggest to not even think about this endeavor anymore. > > > -- > Thorsten Wilms > > thorwil's design for free software: > http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ > > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site
Dear Boudhayan, It seems like nobody else cares (or has time to care). As long as this is the case, I suggest to not even think about this endeavor anymore. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Wallpaper site (was: Re: hello)
Dear Thor, Reply is inline. On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 15:34 +0530, Boudhayan Gupta wrote: > I can help with the wallpaper website, but I need some hosting space > which should be able to run WordPress 2.8. Could you manage some? No, sorry. I think it's a bit early to worry about hosting. Let's think a bit about requirements: - Account management. Would be ideal if people could use existing wiki accounts. Is possible, if the wiki can use LDAP directory services, or OpenIDs - Enforce a minimum size of uploads (only for wallpapers), maybe even one of a list of fixed resolutions/aspect-ratios. Very much possible - Automatic thumbnail generation. - Gallery pages with filtering/search. - Mandatory specification of a license and author(s). - Categories/Tagging: photo vs abstract, tagging for a specific release as the very minimum. All of the above are possible, but will require custom PHP or Python programming (thus I'll need those features in hosting) - Comments per submission, ideally nested. - Notifications (email) on additions, edits, comments. Native features of WordPress. - Manage source files such as SVG and XCF. A Subversion or Git backend can be used. This will also provide versioning support. We can use the Bazaar services provided by Launchpad as well. Very nice to have: - Ability to link with Flickr. Search both on the site and within Flickr at once. I know many such plugins. However, searching is tricky. - Versioning. Allowing to add newer versions of a submission, while keeping the old ones available. Mark comments as referring to a specific version. Again, we can use Launchpad as a backend. Boudhayan Gupta. Sent from my Nokia(R) 9300i Communicator(TM)-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
