Re: Top Posting and Reply All

2008-01-08 Thread Karl Goetz 
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 11:32 +1000, Simon Wong wrote:
> Hi All.
> 
> I thought it appropriate to chime in with some comments for the list as
> it appears that it may be useful for people who are new to using mailing
> lists for communication.
> 
> Top Posting is explained in this Wikipedia entry:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

Not sure if they do or not, but it woudl be good if the main lists page,
and the loco team list page could link to few netiquet pages. (probably
some in the wiki/help somewhere).

> 
> It is nicely summarised by this quip from that page:
> 
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Its worse when theres a mix of top and bottom posts, imo :) :

> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

> 
> In a mailing discussion it is most appropriate to use in-line replies
> (this sort of includes bottom posting) so that people can easily see to
> what you are replying/referring.

Agreed :)
kk

> 
> As far as Reply All goes the most appropriate method is to send all
> replies to the list.  This ensures that everyone benefits from the
> replies that are made to people's questions.
> 
> Also, replying directly to people is not always welcome.  I find it
> annoying to have direct replies because I filter all my mailing list
> mail into folders where I can read them together in the right context.
> YMMV.
> 
> Anyway, I am no expert but just want to share some mailing list
> experience learnt over the years especially from the SLUG mailing list.
> 
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Top Posting and Reply All

2008-01-08 Thread Simon Wong 
Hi All.

I thought it appropriate to chime in with some comments for the list as
it appears that it may be useful for people who are new to using mailing
lists for communication.

Top Posting is explained in this Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting

It is nicely summarised by this quip from that page:

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

In a mailing discussion it is most appropriate to use in-line replies
(this sort of includes bottom posting) so that people can easily see to
what you are replying/referring.

As far as Reply All goes the most appropriate method is to send all
replies to the list.  This ensures that everyone benefits from the
replies that are made to people's questions.

Also, replying directly to people is not always welcome.  I find it
annoying to have direct replies because I filter all my mailing list
mail into folders where I can read them together in the right context.
YMMV.

Anyway, I am no expert but just want to share some mailing list
experience learnt over the years especially from the SLUG mailing list.

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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Nathan Herholdt 
Thanks guys, I've got it going smoothly now.

Thanks again
Nathan
VK6DNA

- Original Message 
From: Simon Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2008 11:55:46 AM
Subject: Re: Ubuntu server trouble


On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 00:07 +, Nathan Herholdt wrote:
> When I try to login as root or su it says I have an authentication
> problem. Therefore I cannot enter the stage to add the GUI. Could
> someone give me step by step pointers to install.

Daniel has answered your question well enough.

If this is your first go at this and the server is to be used on a
 local
LAN ie in a pretty safe environment then I would probably recommend
 that
you re-install the Desktop version.

That will give you a nice Gnome GUI to work within as you setup things.

As far as I am aware the main difference is that the server install has
a lot less pre-installed and a kernel configuration more suited to a
server environment.

If you are pretty much just trying this out and it is only going to be
lightly loaded then this really doesn't matter too much.

Use the Desktop installation and install your "server" packages later,
Apache2 etc.



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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Simon Wong 

On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 00:07 +, Nathan Herholdt wrote:
> When I try to login as root or su it says I have an authentication
> problem. Therefore I cannot enter the stage to add the GUI. Could
> someone give me step by step pointers to install.

Daniel has answered your question well enough.

If this is your first go at this and the server is to be used on a local
LAN ie in a pretty safe environment then I would probably recommend that
you re-install the Desktop version.

That will give you a nice Gnome GUI to work within as you setup things.

As far as I am aware the main difference is that the server install has
a lot less pre-installed and a kernel configuration more suited to a
server environment.

If you are pretty much just trying this out and it is only going to be
lightly loaded then this really doesn't matter too much.

Use the Desktop installation and install your "server" packages later,
Apache2 etc.



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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread cary Bielenberg 

Nathan Herholdt wrote:

Hi again,

When I try to login as root or su it says I have an authentication 
problem. Therefore I cannot enter the stage to add the GUI. Could 
someone give me step by step pointers to install.


Thanks
Nathan
VK67DNA

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Cc: Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2008 9:50:56 AM
Subject: Re: Ubuntu server trouble


On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 01:02 +1030, Junin Toiro wrote:
> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

I always like to use aptitude instead of apt-get.

The main reason is that it logs all package changes (well, the
intentions anyway) in /var/log/aptitude.  This is good for retracing
your steps when something goes awry.

It also gives you a nice GUI, albeit a text one for searching for
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Hi,
   Per chance did you install lamp etc as part of the install? I have 
on 2 occasions installed Ubuntu 7.4 & 7.10 & installed the lamp bind 
stuff as part of the install & had the same problem! If you install them 
after I didn't get the su problems.



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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Daniel Mons 
Ubuntu doesn't come with an available root account.  Instead it creates
a primary user with sudo access for administration purposes.

"su" will require the root password (which I believe in Ubuntu is a very
long random string by default, and unlikely to be guessed).  Similarly,
logging in as root won't work either.

Instead, log in as your normal user, and type:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

After the initial "sudo" command, you'll be prompted for a password.
This is your normal account password (not the "root" password, which is
unknown).  Again, Ubuntu sets up the user you created at install-time
with sudo access (for temporary privilege escalation).  This gives you
access from the command-line to system tools like apt-get.  All you need
to do is prefix any system-level command with the "sudo" command to gain
the necessary privileges for that one command.

HTH

-Dan


Nathan Herholdt wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> When I try to login as root or su it says I have an authentication
> problem. Therefore I cannot enter the stage to add the GUI. Could
> someone give me step by step pointers to install.
> 
> Thanks
> Nathan
> VK67DNA
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Simon Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Junin Toiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2008 9:50:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu server trouble
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 01:02 +1030, Junin Toiro wrote:
>> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
> 
> I always like to use aptitude instead of apt-get.
> 
> The main reason is that it logs all package changes (well, the
> intentions anyway) in /var/log/aptitude.  This is good for retracing
> your steps when something goes awry.
> 
> It also gives you a nice GUI, albeit a text one for searching for
> packages, reading descriptions and changelogs etc.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Nathan Herholdt 
Hi again,

When I try to login as root or su it says I have an authentication problem. 
Therefore I cannot enter the stage to add the GUI. Could someone give me step 
by step pointers to install.

Thanks
Nathan
VK67DNA

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Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2008 9:50:56 AM
Subject: Re: Ubuntu server trouble


On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 01:02 +1030, Junin Toiro wrote:
> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

I always like to use aptitude instead of apt-get.

The main reason is that it logs all package changes (well, the
intentions anyway) in /var/log/aptitude.  This is good for retracing
your steps when something goes awry.

It also gives you a nice GUI, albeit a text one for searching for
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Re: Reminder to "reply all".

2008-01-08 Thread Simon Wong 

On Sat, 2008-01-05 at 20:04 +1100, Blindraven wrote:
> I'm ranting, in short. Reply All.

Agreed, however, I think the generally accepted mailing list etiquette
is to keep all emails sent and received via the list rather than
directly to people anyway.

My 2c ;-)

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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Simon Wong 

On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 01:02 +1030, Junin Toiro wrote:
> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

I always like to use aptitude instead of apt-get.

The main reason is that it logs all package changes (well, the
intentions anyway) in /var/log/aptitude.  This is good for retracing
your steps when something goes awry.

It also gives you a nice GUI, albeit a text one for searching for
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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Nathan Herholdt 
When I run the command "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", and give it the 
password it tells me "steve is not the sudoers file. This incident will be 
reported."

Note: Steve is the guy I'm setting this up for and because we don't want a 
password; the password is steve.

Where do I go from here?


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To: Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2008 1:32:23 AM
Subject: Re: Ubuntu server trouble

Hiya Nathan,

By default a server install doesn't come with a GUI (Graphical User
Interface), only a TUI (Text User Interface) which is what your
seeing.

Login and run the command:

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

Enter your password when prompted, let it all download and install and
you should be good to go after that. I'm pretty sure GDM will run and
give you a standard graphical login once it's finished installing but
if not you may need to run:

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start

Or you could just give it a restart.

Enjoy ;)

-Sam Jackson

On 1/8/08, Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just setting up a Ubuntu server for the first time and am having
 some
> trouble (I think). Does Ubuntu have a desktop manager for the system,
> something that looks like normal Ubuntu? If so, how do I get to it. I
 can
> get as far as putting my login info into a black and white screen.
>
> All suggestions welcome, even if it means reinstalling it.
>
> Thanks,
> Nathan
> VK6DNA
>
>
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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Nathan Herholdt 
Hello,

Where do I find this part of Ubuntu, is it on the normal Ubuntu disk? Then how 
do I install it to run on the server?

Thanks
Nathan
VK6DNA

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To: Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January, 2008 12:11:00 AM
Subject: Re: Ubuntu server trouble

Hi,

Ubuntu server doesn't come with a desktop environment if that's what you're 
thinking of. Generally, the desktop environments add over-head, so without it 
it's a lot faster and frees up ram. Once it's booted, just hit enter and it'll 
ask for your username and password. If you want to install a desktop 
environment, there's 3 meta-packages for Gnome, KDE, and XFCE.


for Gnome (Ubuntu) type:
sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

for KDE (Kubuntu) type:
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop

for XFCE (Xubuntu) type:
sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop


If you're after the "normal Ubuntu", go with the first one. Depending on your 
network card, you might have to configure it/connect manually, because the 
desktop environments usually handle this. Hope this helps.


- Jackson

On 1/8/08, Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,

I'm just setting up a Ubuntu server for the first time and am having some 
trouble (I think). Does Ubuntu have a desktop manager for the system, something 
that looks like normal Ubuntu? If so, how do I get to it. I can get as far as 
putting my login info into a black and white screen.


All suggestions welcome, even if it means reinstalling it.

Thanks,
Nathan
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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Junin Toiro 
Hiya Nathan,

By default a server install doesn't come with a GUI (Graphical User
Interface), only a TUI (Text User Interface) which is what your
seeing.

Login and run the command:

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

Enter your password when prompted, let it all download and install and
you should be good to go after that. I'm pretty sure GDM will run and
give you a standard graphical login once it's finished installing but
if not you may need to run:

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start

Or you could just give it a restart.

Enjoy ;)

-Sam Jackson

On 1/8/08, Nathan Herholdt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just setting up a Ubuntu server for the first time and am having some
> trouble (I think). Does Ubuntu have a desktop manager for the system,
> something that looks like normal Ubuntu? If so, how do I get to it. I can
> get as far as putting my login info into a black and white screen.
>
> All suggestions welcome, even if it means reinstalling it.
>
> Thanks,
> Nathan
> VK6DNA
>
>
>
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Re: Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Andrew Shugg 
Nathan Herholdt said:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just setting up a Ubuntu server for the first time and am having
> some trouble (I think). Does Ubuntu have a desktop manager for the
> system, something that looks like normal Ubuntu? If so, how do I get
> to it. I can get as far as putting my login info into a black and
> white screen.

That's it.  The server edition does not install a graphical desktop
environment.  If you're not comfortable with the command-line methods of
server administration, there's nothing wrong with installing Ubuntu
desktop edition and then installing the server software you want to
administer (e.g. Apache).

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Virgin Mobile Broadband

2008-01-08 Thread Mark M Lambert 
Hi folks,

I have a friend that wants to dump Vista and try Ubuntu on her laptop.
She uses a Virgin Mobile Broadband USB modem (on the 3G network) and I
can't find any easy ways of getting it to work in Linux. Has anyone on
this list had any success with a similar device?

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Ubuntu server trouble

2008-01-08 Thread Nathan Herholdt 
Hi all,

I'm just setting up a Ubuntu server for the first time and am having some 
trouble (I think). Does Ubuntu have a desktop manager for the system, something 
that looks like normal Ubuntu? If so, how do I get to it. I can get as far as 
putting my login info into a black and white screen.

All suggestions welcome, even if it means reinstalling it.

Thanks,
Nathan
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