Re: A plea for civility
I have not followed the discussion on the mailing list for a while but I am trying to be a more active member of the ubuntu-au community now. Anyway I think we are on the right track moving away from this type of behavior to a more unified community. On May 16, 3:04 pm, Scott Evans wrote: > On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 14:19 +1000, Paul Gear wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > I've been reading most of the discussion over the last few days with a > > heavy heart. What we're doing at the moment is proving that the LoCo > > council were right to deny us re-approval. > > > I beg everyone who has posted over the last week to make a concerted > > effort: > > * to see the best in other people > > * NOT to be offended when others don't see the best in you > > * to make suggestions that are reasonable > > * NOT to be offended when others don't see your suggestions as > > reasonable > > * to do things which bring our community together > > * NOT to call attention to those actions which pull our > > community apart > > * to suggest good ideas and make positive steps to see them > > become reality > > * to applaud and congratulate others when they have good ideas > > * NOT to seek credit or desire applause for your own good ideas > > * to re-read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct > > (http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct) and think about how > > you can better live up to it > > * NOT to point out (or even notice) when others are not meeting > > the code of conduct > > * to be patient with slow, incremental progress > > * to disagree with others only where absolutely necessary, and > > do it off-list, and respectfully > > Perhaps a way to summarise all of the above would be: > > 1. Do the right thing > > 2. Reward those who do the right thing with your attentiveness > > and support > > 3. Ignore those who are doing the wrong thing > > There won't be progress towards re-approval without everyone putting > > their hurt feelings and egos in the back seat for the good of the > > community. > > > Regards, > > Paul > > It is for this exact reason I've kept quite today! firstly, making sure > that what I felt is correct and the best approach, clearly some disagree > with me, I did expect this as after all we are all Human and we do think > differently! So I'm a sponge for information and I've had a few emails > directed at me offering their thoughts/advice towards my conduct over > the last few days. I'm not aiming for an "ego trip" or the keys to the > asylum! I just want something to start working with, So I'd like the IRC > meeting to be treated as a "Brainstorm" not a this is what "I" want > thing. We need to establish the goals of what/who we are to be before we > can decide how take on the task. > > I totally agree that /Ego's/Anger/Whatever/ have no future place in this > type of discussion... > > As I used to say to the people I managed there's no I in TEAM ;) > > Scott Evans VK7HSE > Phone: +61362291658 > Mobile: +61417586157 > Skype: vk7hse > sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.orghttp://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org > PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 > > face-wink.png > 1KViewDownload > > signature.asc > < 1KViewDownload > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: LUGs
Ubuntu could be a SIG due to the nature of its community and its CoC which extends further than just technical issues but I don't really like the idea of treading on the toes of LUGS. If you want to have meet ups and post them on the ubuntu-au mailing list or organise them that is fine we are a community after all but as for formal meetings that we organise as a single body across multiple states I don't think it is viable. On May 18, 11:51 am, andrew wrote: > Hi Dave (and all), > > You do raise some very good points about LUGs, Linux Australia and > public liability. > > But > > 1. Not everybody has access to a local LUG. > (how do we cater for these people ?) > 2. Some may not want to be involved with their local LUG (for any > reason) > > Publicity: if you are involved with a LUG that has a good Ubuntu > following then why not publicise it though Ubuntu-au. On the mail-list, > wiki & website. Publicity will increase participation and bring new > people to your LUG. > > Questions: > Is an Ubuntu User group a 'Specialised' Linux User Group (LUG) or a > Special Interest Group (SIG) ? > > If not then what constitutes a SIG ? > If yes then coverage could be sought. > (ref:http://www.linux.org.au/About/Procedures) > > Those of you who have intimate knowledge about how LCA operates can > probably answer these questions. > > Regards, > > Andrew G. > > > > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:55 +1000, Dave Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > > > For those of you proposing face to face meetings, I would suggest that > > you check out your local Linux User Group (LUG) first. These groups > > offer a diverse mix of users. Linux Users Victoria (LUV) run monthly > > (?) beginners workshops and monthly meetings with talks too. To find > > your local LUG check outhttp://linux.org.au/usergroups > > > Getting involved in a LUG can help you get more involved in the broader > > Linux/FOSS community. LUGs are also a great way of learning about > > different technologies and developing new skills. > > > I think some of the activities proposed for face to face meetings would > > be better done through a LUG. All official LUG activities are covered > > by Linux Australia's public liability insurance, so you don't have to > > organise that. > > > You can always go for food/coffee/beer/whatever before or after LUG > > meeting with ubuntu people. > > > Face to face time is important, I am not arguing against that, I am just > > suggesting people don't waste resources organising events which are > > probably already being organised. > > > Launch parties provide an opportunity to run a ubuntu only event twice a > > year. You can even promote it at the LUG. > > > If you are organising face to face events, keep in mind not every one is > > a drinker (or is legally able to drink). Make sure you are selecting > > inclusive venues for such events. > > > Cheers > > > Dave > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
As I said at the meeting I am up for any bug triage day. On May 18, 1:35 pm, Peter Watts wrote: > I also have an interest in Bugs. Joined the Bug squad but find it difficult > to get started. A team environment should help with this. > > On 18 May 2010 06:41, Paul Gear wrote: > > > On 18/05/10 00:22, Jared Norris wrote: > > >> On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnish wrote: > > >>> Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, > >>> and > >>> helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never > >>> triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the > >>> process. > >>> Ryan Macnish > > ... > > A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not > assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package > assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug > triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to > a package)& assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently > there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A > great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of > helpful& friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] > who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct > package for a bug report. > ... > > More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad > Knowledge Base [6]& the "How to Triage" wiki page [7]. > > For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please > reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people > interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a > date, if an online "how to triage" class would be beneficial, if people > who are local should meet face-to-face& have everyone collaborate > online, etc, etc. > ... > > >> Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this > >> sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). > > > This is a good proposal. That is something else i think local meetings > > would be good for! > > > Paul > > > P.S. Jared: yes, i would consider your place fairly central, although > > Northsiders may not, and parking might be an issue if you want to keep your > > lawn... ;-) > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Leadership Structure
It does not matter what we name it we just need to come to some conclusion as to what sort of structure we want. Firstly lets map out what we actually need "leadership" in or what we need organisation for. We obviously need a contact along with maybe an events manager and a community manager. We can then have ops and admins etc for the mailing lists and IRC. On May 18, 2:56 pm, andrew wrote: > Hi All, > > I have stayed quiet over this past week to just see how things develop. > > As the Community Council has stated, I quote > "* Nominate team leadership (be it individual or group) to drive the > team in a defined direction. Setting goals for the team and developing > a roadmap can also help here." > > So yes a CONTACT person is required (this is the minimum). > The questions are: > Should this person be the only one that 'drives the team in a defined > direction'? > Should a group of people be nominated to help 'Drive the team in a defined > direction'? > > >From these questions more could be asked. > > How do we nominate an individual or a group of people as the leadership team? > What 'Roles' do these people perform? > What is the defined direction for the leadership team and the community? > > FOOD for THOUGHT > Some people are 'hung-up' (for the need of a better word) on the notion of > a 'Council' or 'Committee' so lets change it to 'Leadership Team'. > We have a great example of a 'leadership Team' in the Ubuntu Loco Council. > It has a defined role of responsibilities > seehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/ > Its election process is outlined > herehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation > (under the subheading of Team Council Member Election) > > So I guess if we define the direction of the community. > We can define the 'Role' of the 'leadership Team'. > We can then define the positions in the 'Leadership Team'. > Finally the process of filling those positions in the 'leadership Team'. > > Now some work on defining positions has already been done on the Wiki, > but it needs further expansion with your input. > > These are just suggestions. > > Regards, > > Andrew G. > > > > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:11 +1000, Peter Watts wrote: > > I too have been interested but quiet. I believe that Canonical require > > us to have a CONTACT person for the community. Apart from and > > including this person every member of the community has there right > > to organise any thing they like to help further Ubuntu in Australia. > > All that needs to happen is > > 1. Have a great idea. > > 2. Do a bit of research > > 3. Advertise it to the Ubuntu.au family for any help that might be > > needed. > > 4. Have a great time enjoying your function when it happens. > > > As long as everyone knows about it and can make there own decision as > > to whether they wish to participate, there can be no ill will. > > > Thanks Watto > > > On 18 May 2010 00:34, angus wrote: > > Matthew (etal) > > > Great idea! > > > I've been a passive observer on all the debate that has gone > > on over > > the last few months and feel moving the debate away from this > > thread > > can only (a) enhance that discussion and (b) move this thread > > back to > > focus more on those wonderful tips/snippets (and of course > > local > > meetings) around the use of Ubuntu and to encourage more > > people to > > use what is a great product based upon an even greater > > philosophy. > > > King regards > > AnGus > > > At 17/05/2010 09:16 PM, you wrote: > > >Message: 1 > > >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:16:30 +1000 > > >From: Matthew Rossi > > >Subject: Leadership Structure > > >To: Ubuntu AU List > > >Message-ID: > > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to > > discuss how the > > >Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. > > >I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the > > CoC (ie be > > >respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive > > criticism etc), > > >and to please not stall this process at any stage. I > > encourage opinions > > >that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our > > community into > > >consideration. > > > >The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created > > which lists some > > >suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. > > You can find this > > > >athttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure > > >-- > > >Regards, > > >Matthew Rossi > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >
Re: Leadership Structure
Hi All, I have stayed quiet over this past week to just see how things develop. As the Community Council has stated, I quote "* Nominate team leadership (be it individual or group) to drive the team in a defined direction. Setting goals for the team and developing a roadmap can also help here." So yes a CONTACT person is required (this is the minimum). The questions are: Should this person be the only one that 'drives the team in a defined direction'? Should a group of people be nominated to help 'Drive the team in a defined direction'? >From these questions more could be asked. How do we nominate an individual or a group of people as the leadership team? What 'Roles' do these people perform? What is the defined direction for the leadership team and the community? FOOD for THOUGHT Some people are 'hung-up' (for the need of a better word) on the notion of a 'Council' or 'Committee' so lets change it to 'Leadership Team'. We have a great example of a 'leadership Team' in the Ubuntu Loco Council. It has a defined role of responsibilities see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/ Its election process is outlined here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Delegation (under the subheading of Team Council Member Election) So I guess if we define the direction of the community. We can define the 'Role' of the 'leadership Team'. We can then define the positions in the 'Leadership Team'. Finally the process of filling those positions in the 'leadership Team'. Now some work on defining positions has already been done on the Wiki, but it needs further expansion with your input. These are just suggestions. Regards, Andrew G. On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 13:11 +1000, Peter Watts wrote: > I too have been interested but quiet. I believe that Canonical require > us to have a CONTACT person for the community. Apart from and > including this person every member of the community has there right > to organise any thing they like to help further Ubuntu in Australia. > All that needs to happen is > 1. Have a great idea. > 2. Do a bit of research > 3. Advertise it to the Ubuntu.au family for any help that might be > needed. > 4. Have a great time enjoying your function when it happens. > > As long as everyone knows about it and can make there own decision as > to whether they wish to participate, there can be no ill will. > > Thanks Watto > > > On 18 May 2010 00:34, angus wrote: > Matthew (etal) > > Great idea! > > I've been a passive observer on all the debate that has gone > on over > the last few months and feel moving the debate away from this > thread > can only (a) enhance that discussion and (b) move this thread > back to > focus more on those wonderful tips/snippets (and of course > local > meetings) around the use of Ubuntu and to encourage more > people to > use what is a great product based upon an even greater > philosophy. > > King regards > AnGus > > At 17/05/2010 09:16 PM, you wrote: > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:16:30 +1000 > >From: Matthew Rossi > >Subject: Leadership Structure > >To: Ubuntu AU List > >Message-ID: > > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to > discuss how the > >Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. > >I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the > CoC (ie be > >respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive > criticism etc), > >and to please not stall this process at any stage. I > encourage opinions > >that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our > community into > >consideration. > > > >The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created > which lists some > >suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. > You can find this > > >at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure > >-- > >Regards, > >Matthew Rossi > > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
I also have an interest in Bugs. Joined the Bug squad but find it difficult to get started. A team environment should help with this. On 18 May 2010 06:41, Paul Gear wrote: > On 18/05/10 00:22, Jared Norris wrote: > >> On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnish wrote: >> >> >>> Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, >>> and >>> helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never >>> triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the >>> process. >>> Ryan Macnish >>> >>> >>> ... A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package)& assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful& friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. ... More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6]& the "How to Triage" wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online "how to triage" class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face& have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. ... >>> >>> >> >> Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this >> sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). >> >> > > This is a good proposal. That is something else i think local meetings > would be good for! > > Paul > > P.S. Jared: yes, i would consider your place fairly central, although > Northsiders may not, and parking might be an issue if you want to keep your > lawn... ;-) > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Leadership Structure
I too have been interested but quiet. I believe that Canonical require us to have a CONTACT person for the community. Apart from and including this person every member of the community has there right to organise any thing they like to help further Ubuntu in Australia. All that needs to happen is 1. Have a great idea. 2. Do a bit of research 3. Advertise it to the Ubuntu.au family for any help that might be needed. 4. Have a great time enjoying your function when it happens. As long as everyone knows about it and can make there own decision as to whether they wish to participate, there can be no ill will. Thanks Watto On 18 May 2010 00:34, angus wrote: > Matthew (etal) > > Great idea! > > I've been a passive observer on all the debate that has gone on over > the last few months and feel moving the debate away from this thread > can only (a) enhance that discussion and (b) move this thread back to > focus more on those wonderful tips/snippets (and of course local > meetings) around the use of Ubuntu and to encourage more people to > use what is a great product based upon an even greater philosophy. > > King regards > AnGus > > At 17/05/2010 09:16 PM, you wrote: > >Message: 1 > >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:16:30 +1000 > >From: Matthew Rossi > >Subject: Leadership Structure > >To: Ubuntu AU List > >Message-ID: > > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to discuss how the > >Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. > >I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the CoC (ie be > >respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive criticism > etc), > >and to please not stall this process at any stage. I encourage opinions > >that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our community into > >consideration. > > > >The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created which lists > some > >suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. You can find > this > >at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure > >-- > >Regards, > >Matthew Rossi > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: LUGs
Hi Dave (and all), You do raise some very good points about LUGs, Linux Australia and public liability. But 1. Not everybody has access to a local LUG. (how do we cater for these people ?) 2. Some may not want to be involved with their local LUG (for any reason) Publicity: if you are involved with a LUG that has a good Ubuntu following then why not publicise it though Ubuntu-au. On the mail-list, wiki & website. Publicity will increase participation and bring new people to your LUG. Questions: Is an Ubuntu User group a 'Specialised' Linux User Group (LUG) or a Special Interest Group (SIG) ? If not then what constitutes a SIG ? If yes then coverage could be sought. (ref: http://www.linux.org.au/About/Procedures) Those of you who have intimate knowledge about how LCA operates can probably answer these questions. Regards, Andrew G. On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:55 +1000, Dave Hall wrote: > Hi all, > > For those of you proposing face to face meetings, I would suggest that > you check out your local Linux User Group (LUG) first. These groups > offer a diverse mix of users. Linux Users Victoria (LUV) run monthly > (?) beginners workshops and monthly meetings with talks too. To find > your local LUG check out http://linux.org.au/usergroups > > Getting involved in a LUG can help you get more involved in the broader > Linux/FOSS community. LUGs are also a great way of learning about > different technologies and developing new skills. > > I think some of the activities proposed for face to face meetings would > be better done through a LUG. All official LUG activities are covered > by Linux Australia's public liability insurance, so you don't have to > organise that. > > You can always go for food/coffee/beer/whatever before or after LUG > meeting with ubuntu people. > > Face to face time is important, I am not arguing against that, I am just > suggesting people don't waste resources organising events which are > probably already being organised. > > Launch parties provide an opportunity to run a ubuntu only event twice a > year. You can even promote it at the LUG. > > If you are organising face to face events, keep in mind not every one is > a drinker (or is legally able to drink). Make sure you are selecting > inclusive venues for such events. > > Cheers > > Dave > > -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: LUGs
> suggesting people don't waste resources organising events which are > probably already being organised. OK, so how should be better endeavor to not tread on toes? how do we know if things are "probably being organised" elsewhere? Is this kind of probable information listed anywhere? transparently, for us to see?, and who prioritizes these events in order of importance? Example ; I arrange a local meet in Newtown, but it turns out it's "probably being organised" by someone, what, more important than I? Sorry, I'm just trying to understand your meaning so I'm not left thinking it's more hidden ego stroking, or the preparation of such. It's a pretty worrying concept to think that resources are being wasted not on not organising meets because they're probably being organised, but not organising meets because of that, when it's not being organised at all. Now is your opportunity to re-read that :P it make sense, I promise. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
LUGs
Hi all, For those of you proposing face to face meetings, I would suggest that you check out your local Linux User Group (LUG) first. These groups offer a diverse mix of users. Linux Users Victoria (LUV) run monthly (?) beginners workshops and monthly meetings with talks too. To find your local LUG check out http://linux.org.au/usergroups Getting involved in a LUG can help you get more involved in the broader Linux/FOSS community. LUGs are also a great way of learning about different technologies and developing new skills. I think some of the activities proposed for face to face meetings would be better done through a LUG. All official LUG activities are covered by Linux Australia's public liability insurance, so you don't have to organise that. You can always go for food/coffee/beer/whatever before or after LUG meeting with ubuntu people. Face to face time is important, I am not arguing against that, I am just suggesting people don't waste resources organising events which are probably already being organised. Launch parties provide an opportunity to run a ubuntu only event twice a year. You can even promote it at the LUG. If you are organising face to face events, keep in mind not every one is a drinker (or is legally able to drink). Make sure you are selecting inclusive venues for such events. Cheers Dave -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 18/05/2010, at 6:37 AM, Paul Gear wrote: > On 17/05/10 23:19, bwright wrote: >> Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just >> be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ >> >> > > Who says we're cut off? My laptop seems to be fairly well connected to > Ubuntu... ;-) > > > My point is that we don't need a LoCo to do stuff, and having a LoCo seems to > have more costs (mostly in time & effort) than benefits (mostly in image & > perception) at the moment. Regardless, the old ubuntu-au wasn't functioning well. There's lots of energy now, so maybe some points in the re-approval email will get addressed, and the new ubuntu-au, regardless of approval status, will be better than the old. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
On 18/05/10 00:22, Jared Norris wrote: On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnish wrote: Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the process. Ryan Macnish ... A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package)& assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful& friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. ... More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6]& the "How to Triage" wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online "how to triage" class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face& have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. ... Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). This is a good proposal. That is something else i think local meetings would be good for! Paul P.S. Jared: yes, i would consider your place fairly central, although Northsiders may not, and parking might be an issue if you want to keep your lawn... ;-) <>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
On 17/05/10 23:19, bwright wrote: Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ Who says we're cut off? My laptop seems to be fairly well connected to Ubuntu... ;-) My point is that we don't need a LoCo to do stuff, and having a LoCo seems to have more costs (mostly in time & effort) than benefits (mostly in image & perception) at the moment. Paul <>-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Leadership Structure
Matthew (etal) Great idea! I've been a passive observer on all the debate that has gone on over the last few months and feel moving the debate away from this thread can only (a) enhance that discussion and (b) move this thread back to focus more on those wonderful tips/snippets (and of course local meetings) around the use of Ubuntu and to encourage more people to use what is a great product based upon an even greater philosophy. King regards AnGus At 17/05/2010 09:16 PM, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:16:30 +1000 >From: Matthew Rossi >Subject: Leadership Structure >To: Ubuntu AU List >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to discuss how the >Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. >I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the CoC (ie be >respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive criticism etc), >and to please not stall this process at any stage. I encourage opinions >that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our community into >consideration. > >The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created which lists some >suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. You can find this >at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure >-- >Regards, >Matthew Rossi -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
On 18 May 2010 00:13, Ryan Macnish wrote: > Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and > helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never > triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the > process. > Ryan Macnish > >> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:59:34 +1000 >> From: mitch.towner.ubu...@gmail.com >> To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together >> collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online >> BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to >> improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is >> enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be >> every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in >> the future. >> >> Many "not-so-technically-minded" people tend to shy away from this idea, >> however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea >> of "bug triage" is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many >> different ways. >> >> A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not >> assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package >> assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug >> triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to >> a package) & assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently >> there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A >> great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of >> helpful & friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] >> who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct >> package for a bug report. >> >> Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by >> confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the >> latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good >> way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package >> that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against >> an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the >> latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a >> specific package. >> >> More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad >> Knowledge Base [6] & the "How to Triage" wiki page [7]. >> >> For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please >> reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people >> interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a >> date, if an online "how to triage" class would be beneficial, if people >> who are local should meet face-to-face & have everyone collaborate >> online, etc, etc. >> >> >> >> [1] https://launchpad.net/ >> [2] http://is.gd/bWXr8 >> [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage >> [4] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-bugs >> [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ >> [6] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase >> [7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL8Uu/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMnucIAILaw7ch4Se3602Eywc8xIf9 >> cU8gMWx1WJ1xHiBs++2U/2NFjjCVPVD19IUQfwhd0Acm+obwVGqQvPIGK0IzQUtX >> ALJdjHcWGhh/PbpWS/PaRj0nw5Iw0I/Qn9+rb1DZNqJTmEVIVxcv7COuEetL1C82 >> 5/8kMYrGUIoQn3R7UVdoeNTbmmt4rs2kVEVDSCoibPEEmX3RNiMoGCEJr/BrzmwV >> 5WUpAab/DPzWyGqzGRcpPa1JNhPdFaDhEBiEuo3/Fjt1XcX+CluRi+JQ06utqxiV >> s1gQsj2zLer2hHa1A7d36fvc8LqvefNv2iqr0yxAO9tbRbsa7YNIQfteyJ0gwDA= >> =GiDS >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > Find it at CarPoint.com.au New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > Sounds like a great idea. I would definitely be interested in this sort of activity, work roster permitting (I'm a shift worker). Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
Im certainly interested in this idea, its easy to do, helps ubuntu out, and helps the ubuntu-au members to get to know each other. Although iv never triaged a bug before, im willing to give it a shot and help others in the process. Ryan Macnish > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:59:34 +1000 > From: mitch.towner.ubu...@gmail.com > To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together > collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online > BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to > improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is > enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be > every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in > the future. > > Many "not-so-technically-minded" people tend to shy away from this idea, > however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea > of "bug triage" is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many > different ways. > > A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not > assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package > assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug > triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to > a package) & assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently > there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A > great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of > helpful & friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] > who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct > package for a bug report. > > Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by > confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the > latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good > way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package > that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against > an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the > latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a > specific package. > > More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad > Knowledge Base [6] & the "How to Triage" wiki page [7]. > > For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please > reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people > interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a > date, if an online "how to triage" class would be beneficial, if people > who are local should meet face-to-face & have everyone collaborate > online, etc, etc. > > > > [1] https://launchpad.net/ > [2] http://is.gd/bWXr8 > [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage > [4] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-bugs > [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ > [6] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase > [7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL8Uu/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMnucIAILaw7ch4Se3602Eywc8xIf9 > cU8gMWx1WJ1xHiBs++2U/2NFjjCVPVD19IUQfwhd0Acm+obwVGqQvPIGK0IzQUtX > ALJdjHcWGhh/PbpWS/PaRj0nw5Iw0I/Qn9+rb1DZNqJTmEVIVxcv7COuEetL1C82 > 5/8kMYrGUIoQn3R7UVdoeNTbmmt4rs2kVEVDSCoibPEEmX3RNiMoGCEJr/BrzmwV > 5WUpAab/DPzWyGqzGRcpPa1JNhPdFaDhEBiEuo3/Fjt1XcX+CluRi+JQ06utqxiV > s1gQsj2zLer2hHa1A7d36fvc8LqvefNv2iqr0yxAO9tbRbsa7YNIQfteyJ0gwDA= > =GiDS > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au _ New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? Find it at CarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Proposal - Ubuntu-AU BugJams
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the IRC meeting it was agreed that we need to work together collaboratively. One thing that we can do together is have an online BugJam. This basically entails working together as a team on helping to improve bug reports in Ubuntu's bug tracker - Launchpad [1]. If there is enough interest/participation, Ubuntu-AU BugJams would initially be every 2 months with the possibility or changing it to once a month in the future. Many "not-so-technically-minded" people tend to shy away from this idea, however it is actually easier to help out than it sounds! The whole idea of "bug triage" is to improve bug reports. This can be performed in many different ways. A *large* percentage of the bugs triagers have to deal with are not assigned to the right package - a fair number do not have any package assigned to them at all! One of the easiest ways to get involved in bug triage is to simply look at [2] (a list of bugs that are not assigned to a package) & assigning the bug report to the right package. Currently there are 3165 bugs that need to be assigned to the right package. A great resource that helps with this is [3]. There are also plenty of helpful & friendly people in the #ubuntu-bugs IRC channel channel [4] who are willing to offer assistance with trying to find the correct package for a bug report. Another way that people who are new to bug triage can help out is by confirming bugs are still valid by trying to reproduce them with the latest version of the package that the bug is reported against. A good way to get started with confirming bug reports is to focus on a package that you are familiar with. Try to reproduce bug reports filed against an older version of the package to see if the issue still exists in the latest version of the package. Go to [5] to search for bugs in a specific package. More detailed Bug Triage information can be found in the Bug Squad Knowledge Base [6] & the "How to Triage" wiki page [7]. For those interested in participating in an Ubuntu-AU BugJam, please reply to this list. Once we get an idea of the number of people interested in participating, we can organise finer details such as a date, if an online "how to triage" class would be beneficial, if people who are local should meet face-to-face & have everyone collaborate online, etc, etc. [1] https://launchpad.net/ [2] http://is.gd/bWXr8 [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage [4] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-bugs [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ [6] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase [7] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL8Uu/AAoJENegJk0fbKNMnucIAILaw7ch4Se3602Eywc8xIf9 cU8gMWx1WJ1xHiBs++2U/2NFjjCVPVD19IUQfwhd0Acm+obwVGqQvPIGK0IzQUtX ALJdjHcWGhh/PbpWS/PaRj0nw5Iw0I/Qn9+rb1DZNqJTmEVIVxcv7COuEetL1C82 5/8kMYrGUIoQn3R7UVdoeNTbmmt4rs2kVEVDSCoibPEEmX3RNiMoGCEJr/BrzmwV 5WUpAab/DPzWyGqzGRcpPa1JNhPdFaDhEBiEuo3/Fjt1XcX+CluRi+JQ06utqxiV s1gQsj2zLer2hHa1A7d36fvc8LqvefNv2iqr0yxAO9tbRbsa7YNIQfteyJ0gwDA= =GiDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Logs for IRC meeting 17-05-2010
Thanks for the upload we need to keep a record of that to prove we have been having meetings. On May 17, 10:43 pm, Scott Evans wrote: > Hello fellow ubuntu-au members... > > here is the url for the meeting held ... > > http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.20100517_0600.html > > I was attempting to keep things into subject titles, this I thought to > be the best way to try to keep things to a format! > > Please lets remember that there is now some work to do, and we do need > to organise the next meeting time. This will of course be on a Tuesday! > > Thanks to all that attended > > Scott Evans VK7HSE > Phone: +61362291658 > Mobile: +61417586157 > Skype: vk7hse > sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.orghttp://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org > PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 > > signature.asc > < 1KViewDownload > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo?
Yes for me we need to have an official Australian LoCo we can't just be cut off from Ubuntu as an entire country :/ On May 16, 2:43 pm, Paul Gear wrote: > On 14/05/10 14:03, Lisa Milne wrote: > > > > > Well, with comments such as "you are flogging a dead horse" floating > > around it appears there are some who don't want to see an official > > Australian Ubuntu LoCo. Which is fine, if you don't want one, you don't > > have to be involved. > > > There are of course many that do want such a thing to exist, there may > > be varying opinions on what the structure should be, who should be in > > charge, etc. etc. But lets get down to basics, regroup, and see who's > > willing to get involved: > > > Do you want to see an official Australian Ubuntu LoCo? > > > yes or no? > > > (yes from me) > > Part of this may be a perverse need on my part to differentiate myself > from the crowd ;-) but i feel compelled to be the first NO. > > Now, let me qualify that a little: the LoCo council has refused > re-approval because they believe we're not in a position to be a LoCo at > the moment. I think their concerns are justified. I say it's time to > hit the pause button, take a few deep breaths (quite a few, actually), > get some positive grass-roots action happening, and come back to discuss > this again when we have a few more months of getting along well with > each other under our collective belt. > > I asked on IRC the other night and i haven't yet been given any reason > that we /absolutely require/ an approved LoCo in order to do the things > we want to do. (As far as i can tell, we won't immediately lose our > mailing list, web site, IRC channel, or anything like that.) Sure, some > things might be /better/ with a LoCo, but we don't /need/ one in order > to work together. > > Not only that, we're actually a bit lacking in actual ideas for local > promotion of Ubuntu. My perception is that most of what people are > calling for at the moment is just nailing down structure. I ask: even > if the structure is set up ideally to your liking, what then? What will > you do with that ideal structure? Why not start making positive > contributions now, without the ideal structure? (My next email will > contain my suggestion for one such grass-roots action.) > > Regards, > Paul > > P.S. Harrisony: i want my $5. :-P > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > paul.vcf > < 1KViewDownload > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Leadership Structure
It isn't about approving things it is about organizing things to make the entire process smoother for the community. I certainly agree with you that they don't have to be very powerful or very official but we need some sort of simple structure like that just to keep the ball rolling within the community it will make organising events etc easier. Also decisions should be made as a community I agree. On May 17, 11:07 pm, Jared Norris wrote: > On 17 May 2010 22:30, bwright wrote: > > > > > I think a very simple odd numbered comittiee of 3 to 5 people would be > > the best system. It is simple it allows for effective work delegation > > and it suits the nature of the community. These people would be openly > > nominated for their work in the community and votes would be held. Any > > sort of state delegation should be left for the LUGS we are really > > just a community connected by the internet and we shouldn't try to > > complicate things by over regulation. > > > On May 17, 10:16 pm, Matthew Rossi wrote: > >> Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to discuss how the > >> Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. > >> I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the CoC (ie be > >> respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive criticism etc), > >> and to please not stall this process at any stage. I encourage opinions > >> that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our community into > >> consideration. > > >> The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created which lists some > >> suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. You can find > >> this > >> athttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure > >> -- > >> Regards, > >> Matthew Rossi > >> m...@pcpodcast.org > >> Tel: +1 253 987 6413 > >> Mob: +61 488 122 990 > > >> -- > >> ubuntu-au mailing list > >> ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Ubuntu-Au" group. > >> To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. > > > -- > > ubuntu-au mailing list > > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > I think the idea of a "council" scares people because it makes it seem > like you would need to approach them to get approval for > events/ideas/etc. I think most things just need someone willing to do > them and as long as it follows the Code of Conduct why should you need > to ask permission? Before we go ahead and organise a large group of > people to form a council we need to ask ourselves what are the > decisions that we are expecting a council to make? I cannot see > anything that would require approval from a council within our Loco > team. > > I have added in a point 1A to > thehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structureto outline what I > think is the most likely, workable solution. All it does is make sure > the team can have a place to function. No one person (or group of > people for that matter) should be "responsible" for all the > events/ideas/meetings for the whole team. That is why we have a team, > so that anyone and everyone can contribute to the promotion of Ubuntu. > We don't need titles to stroke people's egos in the hope this will > suddenly make them have epiphanies on how it will all be better, we > need people willing to DO things to make it all better. The mailing > lists/websites/IRC are all just places to facilitate the team to get > the job done. > > I believe regular meetings would assist in getting people together to > discuss the ideas that people have and point them in the right > direction as to who within the team is best suited to help out if > required. The mailing list is a good backup for those not able to > attend meetings for whatever reason. This is the ultimate form of > transparency, no council could be as open as a public IRC meeting or > public mailing list. > > Regards, > > Jared Norris > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Leadership Structure
On 17 May 2010 22:30, bwright wrote: > I think a very simple odd numbered comittiee of 3 to 5 people would be > the best system. It is simple it allows for effective work delegation > and it suits the nature of the community. These people would be openly > nominated for their work in the community and votes would be held. Any > sort of state delegation should be left for the LUGS we are really > just a community connected by the internet and we shouldn't try to > complicate things by over regulation. > > On May 17, 10:16 pm, Matthew Rossi wrote: >> Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to discuss how the >> Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. >> I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the CoC (ie be >> respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive criticism etc), >> and to please not stall this process at any stage. I encourage opinions >> that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our community into >> consideration. >> >> The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created which lists some >> suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. You can find this >> athttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure >> -- >> Regards, >> Matthew Rossi >> m...@pcpodcast.org >> Tel: +1 253 987 6413 >> Mob: +61 488 122 990 >> >> -- >> ubuntu-au mailing list >> ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ubuntu-Au" group. >> To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > I think the idea of a "council" scares people because it makes it seem like you would need to approach them to get approval for events/ideas/etc. I think most things just need someone willing to do them and as long as it follows the Code of Conduct why should you need to ask permission? Before we go ahead and organise a large group of people to form a council we need to ask ourselves what are the decisions that we are expecting a council to make? I cannot see anything that would require approval from a council within our Loco team. I have added in a point 1A to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure to outline what I think is the most likely, workable solution. All it does is make sure the team can have a place to function. No one person (or group of people for that matter) should be "responsible" for all the events/ideas/meetings for the whole team. That is why we have a team, so that anyone and everyone can contribute to the promotion of Ubuntu. We don't need titles to stroke people's egos in the hope this will suddenly make them have epiphanies on how it will all be better, we need people willing to DO things to make it all better. The mailing lists/websites/IRC are all just places to facilitate the team to get the job done. I believe regular meetings would assist in getting people together to discuss the ideas that people have and point them in the right direction as to who within the team is best suited to help out if required. The mailing list is a good backup for those not able to attend meetings for whatever reason. This is the ultimate form of transparency, no council could be as open as a public IRC meeting or public mailing list. Regards, Jared Norris -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Logs for IRC meeting 17-05-2010
Hello fellow ubuntu-au members... here is the url for the meeting held ... http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-au.20100517_0600.html I was attempting to keep things into subject titles, this I thought to be the best way to try to keep things to a format! Please lets remember that there is now some work to do, and we do need to organise the next meeting time. This will of course be on a Tuesday! Thanks to all that attended Scott Evans VK7HSE Phone: +61362291658 Mobile: +61417586157 Skype: vk7hse sc...@vk7hse.hobby-site.org http://www.vk7hse.hobby-site.org PGP/GPG Key ID 2B8CA152 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Leadership Structure
I think a very simple odd numbered comittiee of 3 to 5 people would be the best system. It is simple it allows for effective work delegation and it suits the nature of the community. These people would be openly nominated for their work in the community and votes would be held. Any sort of state delegation should be left for the LUGS we are really just a community connected by the internet and we shouldn't try to complicate things by over regulation. On May 17, 10:16 pm, Matthew Rossi wrote: > Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to discuss how the > Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. > I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the CoC (ie be > respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive criticism etc), > and to please not stall this process at any stage. I encourage opinions > that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our community into > consideration. > > The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created which lists some > suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. You can find this > athttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure > -- > Regards, > Matthew Rossi > m...@pcpodcast.org > Tel: +1 253 987 6413 > Mob: +61 488 122 990 > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: A Transition Plan
I don't think enough people are seeing this thread and voting to have a real nomination system, I don't know a single person in this thread and I have been hanging out in the irc for 2 years maybe posting some handles would work. Cheers. On May 17, 10:53 am, "Tony \"H.G\" Candito" wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Tony "H.G" Candito > > > > wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:49 AM, peter baker wrote: > >> hey guys > > >> I humbly accept the nomination, this suggestion has been added to the wiki > >> page for tonights meeting for team approval > > >> peter > >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Chris Chinchilla > >> wrote: > > >>> I've come back to work on Monday morning to find a lot of emails... I've > >>> got a bit lost trying to follow them all, but I'm keen to help out with an > >>> Australian loco in a small way, basically, whenever a date is sorted out > >>> for > >>> a meeting I'll try my best to attend and see what I can do... > > >>> I know Peter well, if he has time and inclination, he has my vote to... > > >>> On 16/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Dave Hall wrote: > > >>> > Hi all, > > >>> > I know some people on the list would like to see drastic actions being > >>> > taken to change/fix/revive/whatever the LoCo. I think now is the time > >>> > for cool heads and respectful discussion. > > >>> > I would propose that for the time being Melissa remain as team contact. > >>> > I would also propose that Peter Baker (aka jellyware) become a co team > >>> > contact (or whatever the title is). Peter's role would be to work with > >>> > Melissa and the community to develop consensus around a new plan for the > >>> > LoCo. > > >>> > I am proposing Peter as he has been around the LoCo for a long time. He > >>> > is also a computerbank committee member, so he has some knowledge about > >>> > how FOSS groups work. He has also been active around LUV and SFD, while > >>> > also running ubuntu.net.au. In my experience Peter has always been a > >>> > model of how to live by the code of conduct in the ubuntu community. > >>> > Unless things have changed in the last 6 months or so, Peter is not a > >>> > power user, but he is a passionate user of ubuntu. > > >>> > I think that Peter is the best person to bring the group together, while > >>> > Melissa has the experience to stop us making the same mistakes again. I > >>> > thin the 2 of them would make a great time to move us forward. Keep in > >>> > mind this is an interim arrangement. > > >>> > I think the first role of the new team should be to facilitate a > >>> > discussion on the direction and objectives of the group, to be followed > >>> > by how to structure the group. > > >>> > Cheers > > >>> > Dave > > >>> > -- > >>> > ubuntu-au mailing list > >>> > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >>> >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > >>> -- > >>> ubuntu-au mailing list > >>> ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > >> -- > >>www.peter.id.au > > >> -- > >> ubuntu-au mailing list > >> ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com > >>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > > I also nominate peter for the roles outlined above. I'm not in > > agreance with the other nomination, but since this, by very it's very > > nature. seems to mean I (by default) am having a personal "attack" I > > can do nothing but sit silently and agree. > > Ugh, 3 Freudian slips in one small sentence. > Don't post before your morning coffee! > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.comhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ubuntu-Au" group. > To post to this group, send an email to ubuntu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > ubuntu-au+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/ubuntu-au?hl=en-GB. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Leadership Structure
Based on the IRC meeting, I'm starting another thread to discuss how the Ubuntu-AU LoCo can best structure leadership for the future. I ask that all who participate in this to please follow the CoC (ie be respectful of other people's opinions, provide constructive criticism etc), and to please not stall this process at any stage. I encourage opinions that are not ego-centric and take the best interests of our community into consideration. The focal point of this thread will be a wiki page created which lists some suggestions of models that the LoCo could consider using. You can find this at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-au/council/structure -- Regards, Matthew Rossi m...@pcpodcast.org Tel: +1 253 987 6413 Mob: +61 488 122 990 -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
