Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu-be Digest, Vol 98, Issue 15

[martijn cielen]

According to the information on this page:
https://retail.vasco.com/du/products/connected/digipass_870/digipass_870.aspxthere's
no separate driver needed for the Digipass 870 (which is the
Belfius one), so the problem must be in the FedICT middleware.


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Duray Pol  wrote:

>  Le 23/04/2014 11:01, Jan Bongaerts a écrit :
>
>   Thanks Adrien,
>  if you need help lobbying with Flemish politicians, or with Hendrik
> Bogaert, let us know.
>  Cheers,
>  Jan.
>
>
>  On 23 April 2014 09:32, Adrien Rami  wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> Regarding card reader for Belfius: Belfius it's not the problem, but the
>> Fedict. This new card reader it's a new technology command by Hendrik
>> Bogaert (Federal Secretary for Modernisation of Public Services) to the
>> Fedict. And, the secretary asked Belfius (owned by Belgium) to be the first
>> to implement this new technology.
>>
>> I think we can ask Belfius and the Fedict to obligate to implement 
>> linuxtechnology. I will discuss this subject to Mozilla Community too (We 
>> will
>> have problems with Tax On Web soon...).
>>
>> I know some politics who could get more information about this topic, if
>> I get information I give it to you soon as possible.
>>
>> Rami Adrien
>>
>>
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>>> Subject: [Ubuntu-be] Belfius New cardreader
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>>> Hello everyone.
>>> Just got the new Belfius card reader. And Guess what. No Linux support!
>>> I Called them for that and they told me if I did a petition there would
>>> more
>>> chances that they will support it in the future.
>>> If we can organize a petition and send it beck to
>>> belfiusdirect...@belfius.be woud be nice.
>>>
>>> Grtz,
>>> Massimiliano.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 20:06:27 +0200
>>> From: martijn cielen 
>>> To: Ubuntu Belgium 
>>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Belfius New cardreader
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>>>
>>> Don't get your hopes up. Even OS X Mavericks isn't supported (at the
>>> moment).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM, massimo21
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hello everyone.
>>> > Just got the new Belfius card reader. And Guess what. No Linux support!
>>> > I Called them for that and they told me if I did a petition there would
>>> > more
>>> > chances that they will support it in the future.
>>> > If we can organize a petition and send it beck to
>>> > belfiusdirect...@belfius.be woud be nice.
>>> >
>>> > Grtz,
&g

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Belfius New cardreader

[martijn cielen]

The problem with Argenta is it's a network of independent bankers. Try to
get some money from your account in an Argenta office that's not your
"home" office. It's also terrible for any other banking product.
Belfius is (at the moment) the best bank when it comes to technology and
mobile banking. The card reader not being supported is nothing but a minor
nuisance, since you don't even have to connect it to your computer in order
to use it for banking.


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Marc Van Hoof  wrote:

> Hoi, Go with your monny to Argenta. It's al for free and you can
> internetbanking via your browser.
> Good luck, Marc
>
> Op dinsdag 22 april 2014 heeft martijn cielen  het
> volgende geschreven:
> > Odds are 100% they'll laugh at you and charge you for moving your money.
> ;-)<
> https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/b0IRpg3SOPj5WREUG8eeF8h1kvAULi8TUz6C2Wk1VkJdc-PG_HVRW88pMm_NP-jNpD_K7jHE6XzRcr4dA0_mzjMlwo_XGz7dsvQZOw3Vg4YGcFuKxa1tWSQM9yc-=s0-d-e1-ft#http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/banking-the-game.gif
> >
>
> > http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/banking-the-game.gif
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Jurgen Gaeremyn <
> jurgen.gaere...@pandora.be> wrote:
> >>
> >> Open a bank account at a different bank and transfer away €100 every
> month - tell them you'll repeat that till the account is empty. At that
> point you'll completely move to the other bank. Odds are they will become
> more eager :)
> >>
> >> Grtz,
> >> Jurgen.
> >>
> >> On 22-04-14 16:54, massimo21 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone.
> >>> Just got the new Belfius card reader. And Guess what. No Linux support!
> >>> I Called them for that and they told me if I did a petition there
> would more
> >>> chances that they will support it in the future.
> >>> If we can organize a petition and send it beck to
> >>> belfiusdirect...@belfius.be woud be nice.
> >>>
> >>> Grtz,
> >>> Massimiliano.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Belfius New cardreader

[martijn cielen]

Odds are 100% they'll laugh at you and charge you for moving your money. ;-)
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/banking-the-game.gif


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:

> Open a bank account at a different bank and transfer away €100 every month
> - tell them you'll repeat that till the account is empty. At that point
> you'll completely move to the other bank. Odds are they will become more
> eager :)
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
>
> On 22-04-14 16:54, massimo21 wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone.
>> Just got the new Belfius card reader. And Guess what. No Linux support!
>> I Called them for that and they told me if I did a petition there would
>> more
>> chances that they will support it in the future.
>> If we can organize a petition and send it beck to
>> belfiusdirect...@belfius.be woud be nice.
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Massimiliano.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Belfius New cardreader

[martijn cielen]

Don't get your hopes up. Even OS X Mavericks isn't supported (at the
moment).


On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM, massimo21
wrote:

> Hello everyone.
> Just got the new Belfius card reader. And Guess what. No Linux support!
> I Called them for that and they told me if I did a petition there would
> more
> chances that they will support it in the future.
> If we can organize a petition and send it beck to
> belfiusdirect...@belfius.be woud be nice.
>
> Grtz,
> Massimiliano.
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] test pc gevraagd

[martijn cielen]

Beste Guy,

doe jezelf een plezier, en stop met dit soort acties. Wie gaat er in
hemelsnaam een wildvreemde toegang geven tot zijn pc (en bij uitbreiding
zijn netwerk)? De Ubuntu-community zit hier imo al helemaal niet op te
wachten. Beschouw dit niet als een aanval, maar als een goede raad.

Met vriendelijke groet,

Martijn


2014-04-01 20:39 GMT+02:00 linux-service.be bvba :

>  Heeft U nog ergens een windows xp staan?
>
> Ik zou graag enkele testen willen uitvoeren:
>
> http://www.ubuntushop.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13
>
> mail naar i...@linux-service.be
>
> let op: geen garantie op success!
>
> gd
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Fwd: ubuntu-be.org down

[martijn cielen]

The whois info states that Canonical is the owner.
Nameservers are NS1, NS2 and NS3.canonical.com.

dig says ubuntu-be.org is 86.65.39.1, which according to whois is owned by
FSF, and hosted in France.


Regards,

Martijn




On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mike Morraye  wrote:

> FYI
> Once I get the image, I'll try to set up a (still have to check if
> possible to make permanent) mirror.
> Still have a problem figuring out who's in control of the domain name.
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> Also, I will not create the mirror on an US accessible host!
>
> Cheers!
>
> - Mimor
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *Loic Dachary 
> *Subject: **Re: ubuntu-be.org down*
> *Date: *17 Sep 2013 17:04:20 GMT+02:00
> *To: *Mike Morraye 
> *Cc: *cont...@fsffrance.org
>
> Hi,
>
> I've had no news from ubuntu-be for a very long time, I guess that's why
> the machine was decomissionned. I'll provide you with a backup of the
> machine image later today.
>
> Cheers
>
> On 17/09/2013 16:53, Mike Morraye wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure if this is the right address to direct this question to;
> but it seems that the ubuntu-be.org  website has
> gone down for an unknown reason.
>
> It points to the IP:* 86.65.39.1*
> Which has PTR: *cmd1.fsffrance.org *
> Now it seems like this host is down.
> I'm not aware if this is the host that should proxy the traffic, or the
> one actually hosting the website.
> From the whois info from this IP range, I came to this email address.
>
> Could you help me search me out, or provide me with the right contact
> information to the person able to solve this?
> (The ubuntu-be mailinglist had this issue posted, but without a reply from
> an admin) :(
>
> Kind regards in advance,
>
> Mike Morraye
> (+032) 0485 12 11 99
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Linux User Group in Antwerp

[martijn cielen]

Could you guys create a separate mailing list for the user group? Since it
has nothing to do with ubuntu-be everything after the initial rfi doesn't
belong here imho.

thx.


2013/8/21 Ward De Ridder 

> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 06:46:41AM +0100, fkdf wrote:
> > Dan maar een tijdstip kiezen http://doodle.com/kbmn8u8mtxmpcaza
>
> Zou je 14 september uit de lijst kunnen halen? Dan is er iets anders
> gepland in het gebouw en kunnen we er dus niet in.
> Verder een goed idee om er een doodle van te maken.
>
> Ward
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dutch Ubuntu Manual ODT file

[martijn cielen]

Look again at what I mailed on Jul 2, 2103. It's a few lines below this one
;-)

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Wouter Vandenneucker
wrote:

> do you have it?
>
>
> 2013/7/8 martijn cielen 
>
>> I guess you don't need this anymore?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM, martijn cielen wrote:
>>
>>> Stuur mij de (link naar de) pdf eens even door. Zal eens zien of ik hem
>>> kan bewerkbaar maken.
>>>
>>> Grtz,
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Claudio Mammarella <
>>> claudio.mammare...@telenet.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Wouter,
>>>>
>>>> Ik heb ook enkel de .pdf versie ervan.
>>>>
>>>> mvg,
>>>> Claudio
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Van: *"Wouter Vandenneucker" 
>>>> *Aan: *"Ubuntu Belgium" 
>>>> *Verzonden: *Zondag 30 juni 2013 23:18:30
>>>> *Onderwerp: *[Ubuntu-be] Dutch Ubuntu Manual ODT file
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> is there anyone who has the odt file of the dutch manual V1_0 that I
>>>> made last year?
>>>> I've searched every harddrive and usb drive, but I can't seem to find
>>>> it anywhere.. I've got the pdf file, but not the odt.
>>>>
>>>> There was a teacher who asked me for it, but I can only find the
>>>> previous version..
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wouter Vandenneucker
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dutch Ubuntu Manual ODT file

[martijn cielen]

I guess you don't need this anymore?

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:52 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:

> Stuur mij de (link naar de) pdf eens even door. Zal eens zien of ik hem
> kan bewerkbaar maken.
>
> Grtz,
>
> M
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Claudio Mammarella <
> claudio.mammare...@telenet.be> wrote:
>
>> Hey Wouter,
>>
>> Ik heb ook enkel de .pdf versie ervan.
>>
>> mvg,
>> Claudio
>>
>> --
>> *Van: *"Wouter Vandenneucker" 
>> *Aan: *"Ubuntu Belgium" 
>> *Verzonden: *Zondag 30 juni 2013 23:18:30
>> *Onderwerp: *[Ubuntu-be] Dutch Ubuntu Manual ODT file
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> is there anyone who has the odt file of the dutch manual V1_0 that I made
>> last year?
>> I've searched every harddrive and usb drive, but I can't seem to find it
>> anywhere.. I've got the pdf file, but not the odt.
>>
>> There was a teacher who asked me for it, but I can only find the previous
>> version..
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Wouter Vandenneucker
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dutch Ubuntu Manual ODT file

[martijn cielen]

Stuur mij de (link naar de) pdf eens even door. Zal eens zien of ik hem kan
bewerkbaar maken.

Grtz,

M

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Claudio Mammarella <
claudio.mammare...@telenet.be> wrote:

> Hey Wouter,
>
> Ik heb ook enkel de .pdf versie ervan.
>
> mvg,
> Claudio
>
> --
> *Van: *"Wouter Vandenneucker" 
> *Aan: *"Ubuntu Belgium" 
> *Verzonden: *Zondag 30 juni 2013 23:18:30
> *Onderwerp: *[Ubuntu-be] Dutch Ubuntu Manual ODT file
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> is there anyone who has the odt file of the dutch manual V1_0 that I made
> last year?
> I've searched every harddrive and usb drive, but I can't seem to find it
> anywhere.. I've got the pdf file, but not the odt.
>
> There was a teacher who asked me for it, but I can only find the previous
> version..
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Wouter Vandenneucker
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] CPR on the website

[martijn cielen]

I don't agree on the pride part. People who know me, know I'll never
use the word "Belgian" with pride. I'm Flemish and love the Walloon,
but I strongly oppose to the monster "Belgium". Well, so far with
politics, and let's not start a (civil) war ;-) That being made clear,
I don't think anything is wrong with a bit of chauvinism. If not even
Belgian loco uses Drupal, why should people in other countries use it?
(just asking)

I agree that doing something is better than doing nothing, and in
saying so, I applaude Wouter for sticking out his neck. On the other
hand, I know Wouter has a strong feeling Drupal is bad (I read his
tweets), and I strongly disagree.

Time is a problem for all of us, so I guess starting something from
scratch will take longer than updating (and maybe even upgrading) an
existing Drupal site, even though because of an already heavily
overloaded professional life (who ever said freelancers gain big
money?), I'll have too little time left to pick up unpaid work (hey,
even my slices of bread and water don't come fro free). I am hower
prepared to assist where possible.

To avoid further noise on the ML, however, I propose Wouter contacts
me to arrange for a 1/2-day introductory course in Drupal. If he still
only feels like vomiting whenever he hears Drupal after that, I'll
keep my mouth shut ;-)

M


On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
> Hey Martijn,
> I think it would be lovely if you have some time to introduce the members of
> Wouter's team to Drupal. I'm sure they would be interested.
> However, overall it should be Wouter's baby.
> Up to you to convince him staying with Drupal is better than starting from
> scratch in html5.
>
> As for your argument that the Belgian LoCo should preferably stick to
> Belgian products, I only follow that thought half-heartedly. Such argument
> is based on pride, and pride is often more counterproductive and costly than
> what is achieved by it. A bit of pride is commendable, but it should not
> interfere with the end result.
>
> So, to sum up, Martijn, thanks for getting involved, and please do work with
> Wouter direct about incorporating Drupal into our site. If you feel that
> strongly about Drupal, I'm sure you won't struggle to convince Wouter and
> his team to embrace it too.
>
> But please don't let pride interfere with the end result: a proper web site
> that looks and feels good for the average user, that can easily be
> maintained by any successors in our community.
>
> Regards,
> Jan.
>
>
> On 20 March 2013 12:51, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:
>>
>> On 20-03-13 11:58, martijn cielen wrote:
>>>
>>> Contrary to what Wouter wants us all to believe [ ;-) ], Drupal really
>>> isn't that hard. Au contraire. It's one of the easiest systems (being
>>> it an app, a cms or whatever) I've ever used in my 12 years as an ICT
>>> professional.
>>> I bet anyone in this mailing list can get the basics set up using
>>> Drupal in 1 day. The speciallekes will obviously take a little longer,
>>> but for anyone with decent php knowledge, this will be equally
>>> hard/easy to do in Drupal as in raw php as in any other framework.
>>>
>>> Maybe I should organise an introductory course to Drupal...
>>>
>>> M
>>
>> Wow... that's great! We found ourselves a volunteer! :)
>>
>> We've been asking for volunteers to maintain the website half a dozen of
>> times on the mailinglist in the last few years (though admittedly, I guess
>> we dindn't repeat that question the last half year). Nobody stood up and
>> offered his/her help on it.
>>
>> If you want to work on the system in Drupal... by all means. I think we
>> would all be happy if you did.
>> If you want to teach Wouter how to do it... then Wouter has to agree this
>> is okay for him.
>>
>> It's way to easy to say what the ideal path is... and we all agree it
>> would be best to have a Drupal-guru working on the website. But we didn't
>> find him up to present. Now don't go shooting Wouter for sticking out his
>> neck and actually doing *something* (which is better than doing nothing the
>> perfect way)
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Jurgen.
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Silent computers' shop staat er klaar voor!-- Re: ubuntu-be Digest, Vol 82, Issue 16

[martijn cielen]

Hold your horses Wouter. You clearly completely misunderstood my message. I
do give a *** about the work any and all of you do. I thought it was
obvious I was talking about spammers. To clarify again: when someone spams
the ML, I don't give a *** about what they do for the community. It's spam,
and spam should be fought by any means.

On Friday, 21 December 2012, Wouter Vandenneucker wrote:

> I personally felt offended by the sheer lack of Ubuntu/humanity in the
> responses that followed.
> If one states that he didn't *"give a *** what anyone (corporate or
> individual) has done for anyone/anything"* than that means he doesn't
> care about any of the work I and others have put in to it. I find that
> offensive and take it as a slap in the face.
>
> It shows of a lack of empathy, dignity and respect to others who might or
> might not put more time and effort to things than that person him- or
> herself. Although I would have taken it this way regardless of whom it came
> from, I feel even more offended because it came from somebody who signed
> the code of conduct! A code that starts with following words:
>
> *Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself
> captures the spirit of being human.*
> A code that explicitly states that at all times you should be
> respectful. One that states that disagreement is no excuse for poor
> manners. One that states that you have to take responsibility for your
> words and actions.
>
> I find myself today, struggling to keep believing that any work done here
> is appreciated or even considered to be of any value.
>
> And with this rant and words that might mean more to some than others I
> leave you
>
> Have a nice day all, who knows it might be our last.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Wouter Vandenneucker
>
> 2012/12/21 Jurgen Gaeremyn 
>
>  Well,
>
> I didn't consider the initial answer as spam - I did take it as a rather
> weak answer in the sense that there's no further help than only offering to
> make a sale.
>
> I was hoping to get feedback in the sense of: "I'm using *blabla* on my
> computer and *bla* on my Android device and it all works fine doing these
> steps: *blablabla*" Or even: "Buy this device: *SomeDevice*, it contains
> drivers for ubuntu" In extremis it could be: "let me google this for you:
> *keyword 1* *keyword 2* ..."
>
> Obviously, if the solution you're offering is something you developed
> in-house, and thus only offer to your customers... that's also an option,
> and then the shop is he place to be.
>
> Well... but as disappointing as the answer was... the answer "spammer"
> didn't help me any further either.
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen
>
>
> On 21-12-12 13:25, tom verlinden wrote:
>
>   Is there a "code of conduct", guidelines, on how to approach things
> like this?
>  What i'm trying to say is, what if you know a good link/shop/space that
> can help you?
>  What would be the appropriate action to take?
>
>  Needless to say i too disagree with spamming any list, but it's something
> i was asking myself just yet...
>
>
>  2012/12/21 martijn cielen 
>
> Jan,
>
>  frankly I don't give a *** what anyone (corporate or individual) has
> done for anyone/anything when they abuse a mailing list to spam.
> When I send messages to this list, I use my personal address, and not my
> commercial one. Ideally, others should do the same.
>
>  Martijn
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jan Bongaerts wrote:
>
> Easy now!
> Silent Computers has done more for ubuntu-be than most.
>
>
> 2012/12/20 martijn cielen 
>
> spammer
>
> 2012/12/20 Lesia Valèri 
>
>
>
> Hi,
> daar is de Silent computers' shop voor!
> Stuurt die dame naar ons toe, wij zullen wel beste oplossing voor vi
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Tshirts are gonna be shipped

[martijn cielen]

You ppl want to punish Wouter?

Make him sit through 5 consecutive Windows installations while listening to
the RTBF Eurovision song contest participant on repeat (for those who
haven't heard it yet, my cat sounds better). Proof (in the form of a
Youtube/Vimeo/... video) can be sent to this list. Goes without saying,
Wouter's hands and feet should be tied to the chair. To make it even worse,
there should be a Duvel on his lap. Open. Poured in.

Sadistically yours,

Martijn

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:

> then at least make it real beer!
>
>
> 2012/12/17 Jurgen Gaeremyn 
>
>> I disagree... that's not enough. He should also do the plop-dance and
>> put it on youtube. :p
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17-12-12 16:30, jbongaerts wrote:
>> > Almost two months to ship t-shirts. Mmmm.
>> >
>> > Since Wouter is a student, I'm thinking 'punishment'
>> > 'student' = 'down-downs'
>> > 'student' + 'punishment' = 'heineken'
>> >
>> > So therefore, by unanimous decision:
>> > Wouter, get yourself 3 heinekens and down them one after the other.
>> > Send proof to this list.
>> >
>> > Ad fundum!
>> >
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] where to find this in Belgium ? Asus netbook (EEE 1225C) with Ubuntu 12.04

[martijn cielen]

Obviously the selling price doesn't say a thing about the price Asus pays
to MS.
I tried getting my money back for an EEE 900, and they literally told me
"we pay MS € 7 for Windows, so that's what we can refund".
Truth or lie, that remains unknown ofcourse.

Martijn

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Y P  wrote:

> Hi Martijn,
>
> I'm not sure you're right, but things can change: a few years ago I saw the
> EEE 900 or 901 @ MediaM. for €390 (Win) while the same device was
> available with Xandros for €299;
> so this is (/was) more than only €7.
> The problem with the 1225C is that it doesn't seem to be available
> anyway, not with Win nor with Ubuntu.
>
> Y P
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 12:53:18AM +0200, martijn cielen wrote:
> > Forget the WIndows-tax for EEE-pc's. If you want a refund you'll get € 7.
> > Been there, haven't done it.
> > Manufacturers pay almost nothing for netbook-licenses, so just pay the 7
> > Euro and keep the license for when you sell the toy.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Y P 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have no any plans to litigate with a local reseller or any
> > > media.market-alike mega / giga / hyper store!
> > > Just want to buy an Ubuntu-ready or a system-free netbook. Don't want
> > > anyway
> > > to pay for a Win 7 that I have to remove!
> > >
> > > Y P
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 07:11:16AM -0700, Willem Hulscher wrote:
> > > > Well, in France there was a lawsuit were somebody has won to get his
> > > money back from a windows computer. The case was that it is forbidden
> to do
> > > tying sales. He did not want to have windows, but there were not other
> > > computers (only Mac ofcourse, but he did not want that either). He
> bought
> > > the machine, with windows. He complaints with the company that he
> would not
> > > have the licence of windows. He made it a case. First they judge that
> you
> > > are not obliged to buy a computer with windows. But that in Cassation
> they
> > > give him right. It is tying. Than he could have 100 euro back for the
> > > windows. So I think that because of that jurisprudence they started to
> sale
> > > Linux on computers. Or maybe even with only open dos. In Germany they
> sell
> > > more and computers with open dos.
> > > >
> > > > Willem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >  From: Y P 
> > > > To: Ubuntu-BE MailingList 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 11:04 PM
> > > > Subject: [Ubuntu-be] where to find this in Belgium ? Asus netbook
> (EEE
> > > 1225C) with Ubuntu 12.04
> > > >
> > > > Hello Dear Ubunteros!
> > > >
> > > > some friend of mine (maybe me too) is looking after the Asus EEE
> 1225C,
> > > > since that machine will come with Ubuntu 12.04 + for a nice price!
> > > >
> > > > It seems to be available in France (Boulanger, Auchan, RueDuCommerce,
> > > > Izideal) but I'm not able to find it -until now- in Belgium:
> > > >
> > > > maybe some of you does, and knows more about this ready-to-go
> > > > new/powerfull/quite cheap Ubuntu netbook ?
> > > >
> > > > I first read some info at Forum.Ubuntu-NL.org:
> > > >
> > >
> http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/algemeen-42/asus-lanceert-nieuw-netbookje-met-ubuntu-12-04/25/
> > > >
> > > > when found specifications here:
> > > > http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_1225C/
> > > >
> > > > ...but in some countries it seems to have already been released in
> July:
> > > > ASUS Quietly Launch New Ubuntu 12.04 Netbook | OMG! Ubuntu!
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/06/asus-quietly-launch-new-ubuntu-netbook
> > > >
> > > > What about Belgium ?
> > > >
> > > > Currently checked stores with no avail-info:
> > > > Media-markt, Carref0ur, Ph0t0hal, Pix-mania, Gobin-Electronix
> (@Ostend);
> > > > have also tried 333 x to call FNAC BE but their telnr. is fake and
> > > > definitely busy!!!
> > > >
> > > > Any useful tips welcomed!
> > > > We're probably 2 persons interested in this EEE if available in
> Belgium.
> > > >
> > > > Thanx !
> > > >
> > > > GreetinX,
> > > >
> > &g

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Facebook

[martijn cielen]

wouter: http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/1070/

2012/9/10 Wouter Vandenneucker 

> Hey Alain,
>
> Die groep is geen initiatief van Ubuntu-be. We hebben echter wel een
> andere groep op Facebook, en die noemt simpelweg Ubuntu-be:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/87950312093/
>
> Vriendelijke groeten
>
>
> Wouter Vandenneucker
>
> 2012/9/10 Alain Baudrez 
>
>> Is de Belgium Ubuntu Linux Users Groep op Facebook een initiatief van
>> ubuntu-be.org?
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/350660908288240/
>>
>>
>> Alain J. Baudrez
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] where to find this in Belgium ? Asus netbook (EEE 1225C) with Ubuntu 12.04

[martijn cielen]

Forget the WIndows-tax for EEE-pc's. If you want a refund you'll get € 7.
Been there, haven't done it.
Manufacturers pay almost nothing for netbook-licenses, so just pay the 7
Euro and keep the license for when you sell the toy.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Y P  wrote:

> I have no any plans to litigate with a local reseller or any
> media.market-alike mega / giga / hyper store!
> Just want to buy an Ubuntu-ready or a system-free netbook. Don't want
> anyway
> to pay for a Win 7 that I have to remove!
>
> Y P
>
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 07:11:16AM -0700, Willem Hulscher wrote:
> > Well, in France there was a lawsuit were somebody has won to get his
> money back from a windows computer. The case was that it is forbidden to do
> tying sales. He did not want to have windows, but there were not other
> computers (only Mac ofcourse, but he did not want that either). He bought
> the machine, with windows. He complaints with the company that he would not
> have the licence of windows. He made it a case. First they judge that you
> are not obliged to buy a computer with windows. But that in Cassation they
> give him right. It is tying. Than he could have 100 euro back for the
> windows. So I think that because of that jurisprudence they started to sale
> Linux on computers. Or maybe even with only open dos. In Germany they sell
> more and computers with open dos.
> >
> > Willem
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: Y P 
> > To: Ubuntu-BE MailingList 
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 11:04 PM
> > Subject: [Ubuntu-be] where to find this in Belgium ? Asus netbook (EEE
> 1225C) with Ubuntu 12.04
> >
> > Hello Dear Ubunteros!
> >
> > some friend of mine (maybe me too) is looking after the Asus EEE 1225C,
> > since that machine will come with Ubuntu 12.04 + for a nice price!
> >
> > It seems to be available in France (Boulanger, Auchan, RueDuCommerce,
> > Izideal) but I'm not able to find it -until now- in Belgium:
> >
> > maybe some of you does, and knows more about this ready-to-go
> > new/powerfull/quite cheap Ubuntu netbook ?
> >
> > I first read some info at Forum.Ubuntu-NL.org:
> >
> http://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/algemeen-42/asus-lanceert-nieuw-netbookje-met-ubuntu-12-04/25/
> >
> > when found specifications here:
> > http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_1225C/
> >
> > ...but in some countries it seems to have already been released in July:
> > ASUS Quietly Launch New Ubuntu 12.04 Netbook | OMG! Ubuntu!
> >
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/06/asus-quietly-launch-new-ubuntu-netbook
> >
> > What about Belgium ?
> >
> > Currently checked stores with no avail-info:
> > Media-markt, Carref0ur, Ph0t0hal, Pix-mania, Gobin-Electronix (@Ostend);
> > have also tried 333 x to call FNAC BE but their telnr. is fake and
> > definitely busy!!!
> >
> > Any useful tips welcomed!
> > We're probably 2 persons interested in this EEE if available in Belgium.
> >
> > Thanx !
> >
> > GreetinX,
> >
> > Y)ellow P)enguin
> >
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] So studying got really boring..

[martijn cielen]

why not use the (fantastic btw) ubuntu font?

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Wouter Vandenneucker
wrote:

> Okay, thx for the tips..
>
> I made the logo a little bigger, the text a little smaller, changed the
> Aspect Ratio to 16/9 (sorry ultra-wide screen people, but this is a lot
> more convenient) ..
>
> Tom, did you have any font in mind? I'm using Helvetica ultra bold at the
> moment, but I can try anything.. I was first thinking of using myriad, but
> that's a bit to Apple-like..
>
> V2 is here: http://vdnkr.be/royal_V2.png
> When I'm done I'll upload the xcf gimp file as well..
>
> Grts
>
>
> Wouter
>
> 2012/9/4 tom verlinden 
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i'm usually a reader of the mails flowing by, rather than contributing
>> (as i had nothing to contribute). Untill now...
>> The text might be a bit smaller and the logo bigger, but i very much like
>> the background. (maybe try a different font? Just for experimentation...)
>>
>> The background, afaik, you should keep it that way.
>>
>> Keep up the good work! (but don't forget to study!)
>>
>> 2012/9/4 Wouter Vandenneucker 
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> as the subject of this email already states: i got bored during
>>> stuDYING.. So I made a new wallpaper..
>>> it's just a first version and for some unexplained reason it has a
>>> really strange aspect ratio..
>>>
>>> Now I was wondering, should the text go a little smaller and the
>>> background a bit darker maybe?
>>>
>>> http://vdnkr.be/royal_v1.png
>>>
>>> Grts
>>>
>>>
>>> Wouter
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Linux Open Administration Days 212 in Antwerpen

[martijn cielen]

Not from Antwerp, but as a co-founder of LOAD (I'm not active in it anymore
due to time constraints though), I can say LOAD is not really a good place
for UbuntuBE.

Don't get me wrong. As this is the third edition already, LOAD can in time
become the fosdem of administrators. That being said, since it's really
geared towards sys admininstration, it's not really a place for a Loco as
such.

Just my € 0,02

Martijn

2012/2/14 Wouter Vandenneucker 

> might be a great chance, what do the people from around antwerp think?
>
> Grts
>
>
> Wouter
>
> Op 6 februari 2012 23:53 schreef Patrick Coeman  het
> volgende:
>
>> Beste,
>>
>> Op Fosdem zag ik een affiche hangen voor volgend event: Loadays 2011 in
>> Antwerpen op 31/3 en 1/4 ek. ( http://www.loadays.eu). Misschien iets
>> voor Ubuntu be?
>>
>> patje
>>
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>> 0476 959505
>>
>> Deze email is een privé bericht tussen zender en ontvanger en kan zonder
>> toestemming van beide partijen niet gebruikt worden voor een ander doel
>> zonder schending van de wetgeving op de persoonlijke levenssfeer. De
>> schender stelt zich bloot aan gerechtelijke vervolging.
>> Zie http://cwisdb.kuleuven.be/pisa/nl/juridisch/privacy.htm
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] New promotional material

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I like the beer idea. Makes a nice slogan:

Ubuntu.BEer or Ubuntu.be(er) or ...

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Steven Leeman wrote:

>
>
> 2012/2/8 Jan Bongaerts 
>
>> Beer glasses! Not a bad idea.
>> The beer itself neither. It will never finish as long the Source is Open!
>> ;-)
>> (might be a good marketing slogan...)
>>
>
> as in "free beer"?
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Windows Tax

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I would not recommend trying to get an ASUS refund from ACER ;-)

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 2:02 PM, materne benoit  wrote:
>  For Asus Machine,  Belgium, seen
>
> France. Acer Computer France
>  66, Rue des Vanesses,
>  Paris Nord 2-BP 40005,
> 95911 Roissy Charles de Gaulle
>
> And seen Advantage service @ Poitiers , it's no more @ Siracuse, but
> Poitiers, European  Advantage (Call) center..
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Windows Tax

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When I wanted to get my Windows Tax back from Asus, I had to fill out
a form, and send it as a signed letter, only to get a €7 refund. So I
decided to keep the windows license in case I ever needed it. It came
in handy when I sold my netbook.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Robert Persson  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone here know how to get a refund on the Windows Tax in Belgium?
>
> From what I've read, in most countries, people looking for a refund go to
> the manufacturer, but this can often be a very frustrating process. In
> England and Wales however the Sale of Goods Act 2002 allows you to ask the
> retailer for a replacement or refund for specific defective items in a batch
> of goods, an EULA you didn't agree to at purchase being just such a
> defective item. I've read that people have got refunds from retailers like
> amazon.co.uk under this legislation without any fuss.
>
> So what would be the best course of action in Belgium? The software in
> question would be Windows 7 Starter, which probably isn't MS's most
> expensive offering. Would I actually get enough money back to make it worth
> all the hard work?
>
> Many thanks
> Robert
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] server

[martijn cielen]

Lars (and others):

specs:

from 11/9/2004

2x Xeon 2.8GHZ/1MB, 800FSB
1x Perc 4DI embedded RAID
1x 8X DVD-ROM drive IDE
Redundant power supply

without memory
without disks (UltraScsi 320)

Selling price would be +/- € 100 (negotiable) or can be exchanged for
something interesting (open for proposals)


kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Lars Blockken
 wrote:
> What are the specs again?
>
> Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
> Lars Blockken
>
> [Sent from my mobile phone]
>
> Op 17-nov.-2011 om 09:36 heeft martijn cielen  het
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> a while ago I sent a message to let you know I have a server to give.
>> Nothing happened after that. If no-one indicates he wants the server
>> by tomorrow evening, it's going in the trash.
>>
>> kindest regards,
>>
>> Martijn
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] server

[martijn cielen]

specs:

from 11/9/2004

2x Xeon 2.8GHZ/1MB, 800FSB
1x Perc 4DI embedded RAID
1x 8X DVD-ROM drive IDE
Redundant power supply

without memory
without disks (UltraScsi 320)

Selling price would be +/- € 100 (negotiable) or can be exchanged for
something interesting (open for proposals)

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:47 AM, tom verlinden  wrote:
> Hold that thought.
> Seems i missed something here.
> Can you give me the specs and location pls?
> If i like it, i'm there.
>
> Mvg, Tom
>
> Op 17 nov. 2011 09:37 schreef "martijn cielen"  het
> volgende:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> a while ago I sent a message to let you know I have a server to give.
>> Nothing happened after that. If no-one indicates he wants the server
>> by tomorrow evening, it's going in the trash.
>>
>> kindest regards,
>>
>> Martijn
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] server

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I'm not going to Dipro (don't have time for anything but renovation
works), so I thought I'd donate it to ubuntu-be.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
> Why not take it to Dipro?
> I'm sure some-one there would be interested.
> You might still score a few bob, and it's better than throwing it in the
> trash.
>
> On 17 November 2011 09:36, martijn cielen  wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> a while ago I sent a message to let you know I have a server to give.
>> Nothing happened after that. If no-one indicates he wants the server
>> by tomorrow evening, it's going in the trash.
>>
>> kindest regards,
>>
>> Martijn
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[Ubuntu-be] server

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Dear all,

a while ago I sent a message to let you know I have a server to give.
Nothing happened after that. If no-one indicates he wants the server
by tomorrow evening, it's going in the trash.

kindest regards,

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Volgende Ubuntu past niet meer op een CD

[martijn cielen]

2011/11/8 Steven Leeman 

> misschien het belangrijkste nieuws...het past niet meer op 1 cd...
>

HET belangrijkste nieuws: mono verdwijnt uit de standaardinstallatie. Iets
dat ik alleen maar kan toejuichen.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Linux lesgever gezocht te Brugge

[martijn cielen]

2011/7/7 Steven Leeman :
> Op woensdag 6 juli 2011 schreef Pieter Baele (pieter.ba...@gmail.com)
> het volgende:
>> Beste Jan,
>>
>> Het gaat hier over een lessenreeks van 12 lessen.
>> Belangrijk voor Syntra is steeds dat de lesgever natuurlijk de nodige
>> competenties heeft (Syntra = ISO gecertificeerd),
>> in ons geval Linux natuurlijk :-)
>
> Gaat het over deze certificatie?
> http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification

==> ISO certificering != LPI certificering

> Moet je ook geen d cursus volgen om te mogen lesgeven?
> http://www.avondschool.be/opleidingen/specifiekelerarenopleiding.htm

==> Neen. Heb ook al verschillende keren bij Syntra lesgegeven, en heb
geen d-cursus gedaan.

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[Ubuntu-be] Meeting tonight

[martijn cielen]

Gents,

Due to unforeseen circumstances, I'll have to postpone the lociso
installment meeting until tomorrow.

Sorry for the late message.

Sent from my wannabe-Android phone.

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] LocISO installment meeting

[martijn cielen]

Lol @ your signature.

Sent from my phone

On 8-jun.-2011, at 21:21, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:

> Sure... here they are:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings/Reports?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-be-irc-meeting-2011-06-02-report.txt
>
> (or just go to
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/IrcMeetings/Reports and you'll see
> the link)
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> NOT Sent from my iPhone (cuz I don't have one)
>
> On 06/08/2011 07:17 PM, martijn cielen wrote:
>> You're absolutely right. Are these on the wiki yet?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 8-jun.-2011, at 17:54, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Martijn,
>>>
>>> cool you're taking up the whip!
>>> As a matter of not inventing the wheel over and over... have a look at
>>> the pointers that were already set out... (no need in wasting time
>>> discussing those issues, imo)
>>>
>>> Grtz,
>>> Jurgen.
>>>
>>> On 06/08/2011 02:43 PM, martijn cielen wrote:
>>>> Gents, Ladies and aliens,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to invite you all to the LocISO installment meeting on Monday
>>>> June 13th at 20:00 on irc.
>>>> Goal of this installment meeting is to set the initial requirements
>>>> and guidelines.
>>>>
>>>> Kindest regards,
>>>>
>>>> whip master M
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Multiboot usb-drive

[martijn cielen]

For me, this tool f€&@!d up my grub.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8-jun.-2011, at 17:52, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:

> Hi Claudio,
>
> I actually tried it, and i didn't work on my PC... hangs on launch.
> Maybe I'll try it again, now that I have a fresh install.
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> On 06/08/2011 02:36 PM, Claudio Mammarella wrote:
>> Jurgen,
>>
>> I use a program called "Multiboot".
>> My 8gb usb-stick with ubuntu 11.04, ubuntu 10.04, gparted, hiren's bootcd, 
>> Xubuntu 10.04, clonezilla,...
>> It's very easy to install (download a script from the link and run it) and 
>> you can add different iso to your usb-drive by drag&drop.
>> Try it.
>>
>> How to :
>> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
>>
>> mvg,
>> Claudio
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:27:59 +0200
>> From: Jurgen Gaeremyn 
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu cd/dvd
>> Message-ID: <4dee437f.30...@pandora.be>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Okay... so here's another link - on how to create a multiboot USB
>> stick... (if not to be used on our own disc... then maybe interesting
>> for the people who want to make their own multiboot USB stick)
>>
>> Here's what I'm going to put on a stick:
>> - Ubuntu 64/32
>> - (Ubuntu Localized version asap)
>> - Lubuntu 32
>> - Edubuntu 32/64
>> - Ubuntu Studio 64
>> - Ubuntu Rescue Remix 32
>> - Backtrack 64
>>
>> This way, I've got my 8 GIG stick pretty nicely populated :)
>>
>> This is the link:
>> http://www.hcc-vl.be/d001/forum/multiboot-grub-2-usb
>>
>> (basically, it's an advantage of Grub 2)
>>
>> Just one more thing I'd look into: maybe I can get Burg to work on it
>> too, to have a nicer bootloader.
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Jurgen.
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] LocISO installment meeting

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You're absolutely right. Are these on the wiki yet?

Sent from my iPhone

On 8-jun.-2011, at 17:54, Jurgen Gaeremyn  wrote:

> Hey Martijn,
>
> cool you're taking up the whip!
> As a matter of not inventing the wheel over and over... have a look at
> the pointers that were already set out... (no need in wasting time
> discussing those issues, imo)
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen.
>
> On 06/08/2011 02:43 PM, martijn cielen wrote:
>> Gents, Ladies and aliens,
>>
>> I'd like to invite you all to the LocISO installment meeting on Monday
>> June 13th at 20:00 on irc.
>> Goal of this installment meeting is to set the initial requirements
>> and guidelines.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> whip master M
>>
>
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[Ubuntu-be] LocISO installment meeting

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Gents, Ladies and aliens,

I'd like to invite you all to the LocISO installment meeting on Monday
June 13th at 20:00 on irc.
Goal of this installment meeting is to set the initial requirements
and guidelines.

Kindest regards,

whip master M

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu cd/dvd

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No problem!!!

Like I said, I appreciate the effort, but I want to agree on some
guidelines/directions first ;-)

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Bram Gadeyne  wrote:
> Oh I'm sorry,
>
> In my enthusiasm I didn't fully read the whole discussion.
>
> I'll await the installment meeting.
>
> kind regards
> Bram
>
> 2011/6/6 martijn cielen 
>>
>> Bram (and others),
>>
>> I really appreciate your effort, but since it seems I'm taking the
>> lead in the custom ISO project, I'd propose waiting for the
>> installment meeting, in order to avoid multiple people working on the
>> same thing, and other things not being worked on.
>> I'll organize this meeting later this week.
>> If it has been agreed that I'm not taking the lead, please ignore this
>> mail.
>>
>> Now, for customization, I can tell you from personal experience it
>> isn't as straightforward as it looks. Here's the steps I've taken
>> before (from the top of my head, so might not be 100% accurate):
>>
>> 1. mount the iso in eg /mnt/iso
>> 2. mount the squashfs in eg /mnt/squashfs
>> 3. change the squashfs
>> 4. recompile the suqashfs
>> 5. change the iso using an iso tool
>> 6. test
>>
>> I used this setup to created a customized installation cd for my
>> client, using RedHat. The approach should be similar for Ubuntu.
>>
>> kindest regards,
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Bram Gadeyne 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Using UCK does not provide a lot of possibilities.
>> >
>> > I've received this dvd by mail today. It's size is 3.4 GB so it's a
>> > normal
>> > DVD.
>> >
>> > I think they created it using casper and some other things:
>> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
>> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
>> >
>> > Since you have to include grub I think it should be possible to add
>> > different bootable distro's. On the dvd there is a directory for every
>> > distro containing vmlinuz, initrd.lz and filesystem.squashfs. The last
>> > one
>> > contains the contents of the distro.
>> >
>> > Anyone who would like to join forces and try to create such a cd/dvd.
>> > First
>> > with a single customized distro and then maybe different ones?
>> > http://www.doodle.com/vcc5h3uf6fgpwy2n
>> >
>> > With kind regards
>> > Bram
>> >
>> > 2011/6/2 Noel Rogghe 
>> >>
>> >> On 02/06/11 19:10, Steven Leeman wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Its a dual sided dvd i read which would mean 9gigabyte
>> >>> But a screenshot shows it has a covere so xxthat would mean dual layer
>> >>> technically
>> >>> If we want to reproduce we need a 16gb stick?
>> >>
>> >> If it's the same Ubuntu Sixpack that comes with the Ubuntu Users
>> >> Magazine
>> >> it is definitely not a dual layer. One site is 32-bit, the flip site is
>> >> 64-bit. The DVD is not printed.
>> >> --
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu cd/dvd

[martijn cielen]

Bram (and others),

I really appreciate your effort, but since it seems I'm taking the
lead in the custom ISO project, I'd propose waiting for the
installment meeting, in order to avoid multiple people working on the
same thing, and other things not being worked on.
I'll organize this meeting later this week.
If it has been agreed that I'm not taking the lead, please ignore this mail.

Now, for customization, I can tell you from personal experience it
isn't as straightforward as it looks. Here's the steps I've taken
before (from the top of my head, so might not be 100% accurate):

1. mount the iso in eg /mnt/iso
2. mount the squashfs in eg /mnt/squashfs
3. change the squashfs
4. recompile the suqashfs
5. change the iso using an iso tool
6. test

I used this setup to created a customized installation cd for my
client, using RedHat. The approach should be similar for Ubuntu.

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Bram Gadeyne  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Using UCK does not provide a lot of possibilities.
>
> I've received this dvd by mail today. It's size is 3.4 GB so it's a normal
> DVD.
>
> I think they created it using casper and some other things:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
>
> Since you have to include grub I think it should be possible to add
> different bootable distro's. On the dvd there is a directory for every
> distro containing vmlinuz, initrd.lz and filesystem.squashfs. The last one
> contains the contents of the distro.
>
> Anyone who would like to join forces and try to create such a cd/dvd. First
> with a single customized distro and then maybe different ones?
> http://www.doodle.com/vcc5h3uf6fgpwy2n
>
> With kind regards
> Bram
>
> 2011/6/2 Noel Rogghe 
>>
>> On 02/06/11 19:10, Steven Leeman wrote:
>>>
>>> Its a dual sided dvd i read which would mean 9gigabyte
>>> But a screenshot shows it has a covere so xxthat would mean dual layer
>>> technically
>>> If we want to reproduce we need a 16gb stick?
>>
>> If it's the same Ubuntu Sixpack that comes with the Ubuntu Users Magazine
>> it is definitely not a dual layer. One site is 32-bit, the flip site is
>> 64-bit. The DVD is not printed.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament REPORT - 02/06/11

[martijn cielen]

In that case... Nay.

Maybe one day, but for the time being the iPhone is far superior to any
Android phone when comparing total user experience. Not that I have anything
against Android, but I don't see it becoming as accepted and easy to
integrate as the iPhone just yet.

Sent from my iPhone

On 4-jun.-2011, at 10:02, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:

>From wikipedia:
In 2006, scientists researching the ancestry of birds "turned on" a chicken
recessive gene, talpid2, and found that the embryo jaws initiated formation
of teeth, like those found in ancient bird fossils. John Fallon, the
overseer of the project, stated that chickens have "...retained the ability
to make teeth, under certain conditions..

Sorry for you, Martijn. Off to the shops it is.
 On Jun 3, 2011 11:54 PM, "martijn cielen"  wrote:
> Me getting an Android phone? Like we say in our dialect: when the chickens
> grow teeth :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:49, wouter Vandenneucker 
> wrote:
>
> in dutch: 'hopla'. Thats what I call putting the whip on :p
> You're doing great already..
>
> now the only thing you should do is lose that iPhone and use an android
> phone :p
>
> grts
>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:37:01 +0200
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European
Parliament
> REPORT - 02/06/11
>
> Whiplash is my middle name ;-)
> If no-one has objections to me taking the lead, I'll organize an
installment
> meeting for the ISO team somewhere next week.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:34, wouter Vandenneucker 
> wrote:
>
> Sounds great! good to have you on board.
> We aren't asking that you give up your work or such.. :p
> So we can count on you to give people a whiplash if things are starting to
> stall? :p
>
> grts
>
>
> wouter
>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:26:17 +0200
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European
Parliament
> REPORT - 02/06/11
>
> As I don't have much time to do hands on stuff at the moment (full
> renovation, fulltime work and 1 year young doughter), but I want to
> contribute something to Ubuntu-be, I'm offering to become the "project
> manager" for the Belgian ISO.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Martijn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:21, wouter Vandenneucker < 
> wouterv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> *IRC "ISO/USB Project" Meeting Report Ubuntu-be - Thursday 2nd of June
2011*
> Present at the meeting (in random order): ehj (
> <http://epfsug.eu>epfsug.euEuropean Parliament), YoBoY (ubuntu-fr
> leadership), Skynetbbs, DarkEra,
> LarsB, warddr, jurgentje, JanC, StefandeVries, pvr, woutervddn
> (note: this isn't a "regular" weekly meeting)
>
>
> Agenda topics: ISO Project, USB Project, General things concerning these
> projects
> Extra topic on the agenda: Ubuntu fest at the European Parliament
>
>
> *= ISO =*
> To make stuff easier for belgian users and to gain popularity we are going
> to make our own ISO. An Ubuntu respin with a few changes that make life
> easier for Belgian Users.
> We discussed this project before, more info about that can be found at:
> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/LocalizedCD>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/LocalizedCD (these pages should be
> updated..)
> We need some people who take the lead in this project so it won't bleed to
> dead. Candidates to lead this project to victory, please step forward!
> The leader of the project needs to make sure stuff doesn't stall. Small
> decisions can be made entirly by the ISO team, that way we speed stuff up.
>
> *PROJECT GUIDELINES:*
> Note that these guidelines are a beginning, the ISO team should try to
> endorse these guidelines. The general ideas and guidelines of Ubuntu need
to
> be taken in account.
> A target date should be set in order to keep things moving. (having the
> 11.04 ISO before 11.10 comes out is crusial.)
>
> Values:
>
> - We keep the official program choise of Canonical/Ubuntu but include a
> minor amount of programs and drivers that are on general interest for
> belgian citizens.
> - No change to the Restricted Extra options. (due to legal issues and
ubuntu
> values)
> - Support to the Ubuntu guidelines
> - Endorse users to get to know their system (we can teach them with
video's
> we make)
> - Canonical has put a serious amount of time in developing the software
> center, we should make people use it!
> - K

Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament REPORT - 02/06/11

[martijn cielen]

Me getting an Android phone? Like we say in our dialect: when the chickens
grow teeth :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:49, wouter Vandenneucker 
wrote:

in dutch: 'hopla'. Thats what I call putting the whip on :p
You're doing great already..

now the only thing you should do is lose that iPhone and use an android
phone :p

grts

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To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament
REPORT - 02/06/11

Whiplash is my middle name ;-)
If no-one has objections to me taking the lead, I'll organize an installment
meeting for the ISO team somewhere next week.

Sent from my iPhone

On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:34, wouter Vandenneucker 
wrote:

Sounds great! good to have you on board.
We aren't asking that you give up your work or such.. :p
So we can count on you to give people a whiplash if things are starting to
stall? :p

grts


wouter

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From: mcie...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:26:17 +0200
To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament
REPORT - 02/06/11

As I don't have much time to do hands on stuff at the moment (full
renovation, fulltime work and 1 year young doughter), but I want to
contribute something to Ubuntu-be, I'm offering to  become the "project
manager" for the Belgian ISO.

Kindest regards,

Martijn

Sent from my iPhone

On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:21, wouter Vandenneucker < 
wouterv...@hotmail.com> wrote:

*IRC "ISO/USB Project" Meeting Report Ubuntu-be - Thursday 2nd of June 2011*
Present at the meeting (in random order): ehj (
epfsug.euEuropean Parliament), YoBoY (ubuntu-fr
leadership), Skynetbbs, DarkEra,
LarsB, warddr, jurgentje, JanC, StefandeVries, pvr, woutervddn
(note: this isn't a "regular" weekly meeting)


Agenda topics: ISO Project, USB Project, General things concerning these
projects
Extra topic on the agenda: Ubuntu fest at the European Parliament


*= ISO =*
To make stuff easier for belgian users and to gain popularity we are going
to make our own ISO. An Ubuntu respin with a few changes that make life
easier for Belgian Users.
We discussed this project before, more info about that can be found at:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/LocalizedCD (these pages should be
updated..)
We need some people who take the lead in this project so it won't bleed to
dead. Candidates to lead this project to victory, please step forward!
The leader of the project needs to make sure stuff doesn't stall. Small
decisions can be made entirly by the ISO team, that way we speed stuff up.

*PROJECT GUIDELINES:*
Note that these guidelines are a beginning, the ISO team should try to
endorse these guidelines. The general ideas and guidelines of Ubuntu need to
be taken in account.
A target date should be set in order to keep things moving. (having the
11.04 ISO before 11.10 comes out is crusial.)

Values:

- We keep the official program choise of Canonical/Ubuntu but include a
minor amount of programs and drivers that are on general interest for
belgian citizens.
- No change to the Restricted Extra options. (due to legal issues and ubuntu
values)
- Support to the Ubuntu guidelines
- Endorse users to get to know their system (we can teach them with video's
we make)
- Canonical has put a serious amount of time in developing the software
center, we should make people use it!
- Keeping things simple
- No 'special' programs or programs only usefull to a specific type of user.


Needed:

- Both a 32bit and a 64bit version
- Fully supported languages by default: en, de, nl, fr (as default boot
language English is suggested)
- Based on Ubuntu 11.04
- Only Gnome classic and Unity interface
- AZERTY by default
- USB key should have an install icon on teh desktop once it is booted in
live mode.
- Default homepage in firefox should be Ubuntu-be.org.
- E-ID program and driver


Unwanted:

- PPA's (at least for now as a PPA gives us responibility for security
breaches) [exception for ppa's without security issues (see later)]
- Extra DE's
- Media players and other stuff that requires restricted extras
- 'professional' software
- Unity 2D (yet) (once we hit 11.10 it will be default fallback and stable
enough for us to integrade.)
- Software of which we aren't sure it's going to be supported for the time
the ubuntu version is supported.


Wanted:

- (Pre-boot) GUI should list the 4 languages prior to the install proces
- Possiblity for both a Persistent and a Pristine boot would be nice (U-fr
uses only persistent)


What we might want to add (later):

- Instruction Videos should endorse our users to explorer and get to know
their system, yet keep it simple enough for everyone to follow
Videos showing apps that might be usefull for some but not for all can be
handled here so people find their way 

Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament REPORT - 02/06/11

[martijn cielen]

Whiplash is my middle name ;-)
If no-one has objections to me taking the lead, I'll organize an installment
meeting for the ISO team somewhere next week.

Sent from my iPhone

On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:34, wouter Vandenneucker 
wrote:

Sounds great! good to have you on board.
We aren't asking that you give up your work or such.. :p
So we can count on you to give people a whiplash if things are starting to
stall? :p

grts


wouter

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From: mcie...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 21:26:17 +0200
To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament
REPORT - 02/06/11

As I don't have much time to do hands on stuff at the moment (full
renovation, fulltime work and 1 year young doughter), but I want to
contribute something to Ubuntu-be, I'm offering to  become the "project
manager" for the Belgian ISO.

Kindest regards,

Martijn

Sent from my iPhone

On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:21, wouter Vandenneucker 
wrote:

*IRC "ISO/USB Project" Meeting Report Ubuntu-be - Thursday 2nd of June 2011*
Present at the meeting (in random order): ehj (epfsug.eu European
Parliament), YoBoY (ubuntu-fr leadership), Skynetbbs, DarkEra, LarsB,
warddr, jurgentje, JanC, StefandeVries, pvr, woutervddn
(note: this isn't a "regular" weekly meeting)


Agenda topics: ISO Project, USB Project, General things concerning these
projects
Extra topic on the agenda: Ubuntu fest at the European Parliament


*= ISO =*
To make stuff easier for belgian users and to gain popularity we are going
to make our own ISO. An Ubuntu respin with a few changes that make life
easier for Belgian Users.
We discussed this project before, more info about that can be found at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/LocalizedCD (these pages should be
updated..)
We need some people who take the lead in this project so it won't bleed to
dead. Candidates to lead this project to victory, please step forward!
The leader of the project needs to make sure stuff doesn't stall. Small
decisions can be made entirly by the ISO team, that way we speed stuff up.

*PROJECT GUIDELINES:*
Note that these guidelines are a beginning, the ISO team should try to
endorse these guidelines. The general ideas and guidelines of Ubuntu need to
be taken in account.
A target date should be set in order to keep things moving. (having the
11.04 ISO before 11.10 comes out is crusial.)

Values:

- We keep the official program choise of Canonical/Ubuntu but include a
minor amount of programs and drivers that are on general interest for
belgian citizens.
- No change to the Restricted Extra options. (due to legal issues and ubuntu
values)
- Support to the Ubuntu guidelines
- Endorse users to get to know their system (we can teach them with video's
we make)
- Canonical has put a serious amount of time in developing the software
center, we should make people use it!
- Keeping things simple
- No 'special' programs or programs only usefull to a specific type of user.


Needed:

- Both a 32bit and a 64bit version
- Fully supported languages by default: en, de, nl, fr (as default boot
language English is suggested)
- Based on Ubuntu 11.04
- Only Gnome classic and Unity interface
- AZERTY by default
- USB key should have an install icon on teh desktop once it is booted in
live mode.
- Default homepage in firefox should be Ubuntu-be.org.
- E-ID program and driver


Unwanted:

- PPA's (at least for now as a PPA gives us responibility for security
breaches) [exception for ppa's without security issues (see later)]
- Extra DE's
- Media players and other stuff that requires restricted extras
- 'professional' software
- Unity 2D (yet) (once we hit 11.10 it will be default fallback and stable
enough for us to integrade.)
- Software of which we aren't sure it's going to be supported for the time
the ubuntu version is supported.


Wanted:

- (Pre-boot) GUI should list the 4 languages prior to the install proces
- Possiblity for both a Persistent and a Pristine boot would be nice (U-fr
uses only persistent)


What we might want to add (later):

- Instruction Videos should endorse our users to explorer and get to know
their system, yet keep it simple enough for everyone to follow
Videos showing apps that might be usefull for some but not for all can be
handled here so people find their way to them..
- A PPA for Ubuntu-be containing LibreOffice Impress templates and Desktop
Wallpapers is adviced.
Due to the lack of goodlooking LibreOffice Impress templates, the Desktop
Wallpapers are just a way to promote ourselves..
 might be added later, no need to stall the project for this..
we could ask OSPublish to make us a wallpaper
- We could make some dedicated distro's as well afterwards (a kubuntu one,
or a rescue version..)



*= USB =*
The ISO we make should find it's way to belgian ubuntu users. We need a way
to get it out. One of these ways is a USB drive.
CDs are slow and netbooks (often) come without a CD drive, selling USBs
instead of giving away CDs sets 

Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC Meeting about ISO, USB and European Parliament REPORT - 02/06/11

[martijn cielen]

As I don't have much time to do hands on stuff at the moment (full
renovation, fulltime work and 1 year young doughter), but I want to
contribute something to Ubuntu-be, I'm offering to  become the "project
manager" for the Belgian ISO.

Kindest regards,

Martijn

Sent from my iPhone

On 3-jun.-2011, at 21:21, wouter Vandenneucker 
wrote:

*IRC "ISO/USB Project" Meeting Report Ubuntu-be - Thursday 2nd of June 2011*
Present at the meeting (in random order): ehj (epfsug.eu European
Parliament), YoBoY (ubuntu-fr leadership), Skynetbbs, DarkEra, LarsB,
warddr, jurgentje, JanC, StefandeVries, pvr, woutervddn
(note: this isn't a "regular" weekly meeting)


Agenda topics: ISO Project, USB Project, General things concerning these
projects
Extra topic on the agenda: Ubuntu fest at the European Parliament


*= ISO =*
To make stuff easier for belgian users and to gain popularity we are going
to make our own ISO. An Ubuntu respin with a few changes that make life
easier for Belgian Users.
We discussed this project before, more info about that can be found at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/LocalizedCD (these pages should be
updated..)
We need some people who take the lead in this project so it won't bleed to
dead. Candidates to lead this project to victory, please step forward!
The leader of the project needs to make sure stuff doesn't stall. Small
decisions can be made entirly by the ISO team, that way we speed stuff up.

*PROJECT GUIDELINES:*
Note that these guidelines are a beginning, the ISO team should try to
endorse these guidelines. The general ideas and guidelines of Ubuntu need to
be taken in account.
A target date should be set in order to keep things moving. (having the
11.04 ISO before 11.10 comes out is crusial.)

Values:

- We keep the official program choise of Canonical/Ubuntu but include a
minor amount of programs and drivers that are on general interest for
belgian citizens.
- No change to the Restricted Extra options. (due to legal issues and ubuntu
values)
- Support to the Ubuntu guidelines
- Endorse users to get to know their system (we can teach them with video's
we make)
- Canonical has put a serious amount of time in developing the software
center, we should make people use it!
- Keeping things simple
- No 'special' programs or programs only usefull to a specific type of user.


Needed:

- Both a 32bit and a 64bit version
- Fully supported languages by default: en, de, nl, fr (as default boot
language English is suggested)
- Based on Ubuntu 11.04
- Only Gnome classic and Unity interface
- AZERTY by default
- USB key should have an install icon on teh desktop once it is booted in
live mode.
- Default homepage in firefox should be Ubuntu-be.org.
- E-ID program and driver


Unwanted:

- PPA's (at least for now as a PPA gives us responibility for security
breaches) [exception for ppa's without security issues (see later)]
- Extra DE's
- Media players and other stuff that requires restricted extras
- 'professional' software
- Unity 2D (yet) (once we hit 11.10 it will be default fallback and stable
enough for us to integrade.)
- Software of which we aren't sure it's going to be supported for the time
the ubuntu version is supported.


Wanted:

- (Pre-boot) GUI should list the 4 languages prior to the install proces
- Possiblity for both a Persistent and a Pristine boot would be nice (U-fr
uses only persistent)


What we might want to add (later):

- Instruction Videos should endorse our users to explorer and get to know
their system, yet keep it simple enough for everyone to follow
Videos showing apps that might be usefull for some but not for all can be
handled here so people find their way to them..
- A PPA for Ubuntu-be containing LibreOffice Impress templates and Desktop
Wallpapers is adviced.
Due to the lack of goodlooking LibreOffice Impress templates, the Desktop
Wallpapers are just a way to promote ourselves..
might be added later, no need to stall the project for this..
we could ask OSPublish to make us a wallpaper
- We could make some dedicated distro's as well afterwards (a kubuntu one,
or a rescue version..)



*= USB =*
The ISO we make should find it's way to belgian ubuntu users. We need a way
to get it out. One of these ways is a USB drive.
CDs are slow and netbooks (often) come without a CD drive, selling USBs
instead of giving away CDs sets Ubuntu-be on its way to the future.
As with the ISO team, we need people who believe in this project and put
their wings underneath it to make it fly.
A leader for this project has the same job as the ISO leader: make sure the
project keeps going and doesn't stall or bleed to dead.
Participants to this projects and candidate leaders: step forward.
A WIKIpage should be created for this.

*PROJECT GUIDELINES:*
These guidelines are just a beginning, the USB team should try to endorse
them and add more detail to them. The general ideas and guidelines of Ubuntu
need to be taken in to account.
We should try to finish the USB project within the same

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Wegetit.be

[martijn cielen]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Jurgen Gaeremyn
 wrote:
[...]
> He also says he removed all these addresses out of his "list" once the
> message was out.
[...]

That was clearly a lie, as I received a message again today.
I think it's time for a formal complaint, and i'd like to see
ubuntu-be distantiate from this spammer.

Martijn

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

[martijn cielen]

Don't know about that, but doesn't win7 see the stick as usb2 at that moment?

Sent from my iPhone

On 31-mei-2011, at 18:10, Jan Claeys  wrote:

> martijn cielen schreef op di 24-05-2011 om 15:35 [+0200]:
>> oth "Joe Sixpack" will probbably not buy a 2.0 in a year
>> time
>
> AFAIK a default install of Windows 7 doesn't support USB 3.0 without
> extra drivers, so I'm pretty sure USB 2.0 will be around for some time
> still...   ;-)
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] "wegetit"?

[martijn cielen]

I fully agree if:

1. The mail is as neutral as your example.
2. The mail is sent to the ML abd not to adresses harvested from that ML.
3. It happens only once per shop.

Kindest regards,

Martijn

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On 31-mei-2011, at 17:48, Jan Claeys  wrote:

> Jurgen Gaeremyn schreef op ma 30-05-2011 om 17:47 [+0200]:
>> according to others, it's not-done to post "advertisements" to a
>> mailing list (especially not to one that is being archived - thus
>> generating a permanent page on some pseudo-forum).
>
> It's true that this list isn't meant for *advertisements*, but a neutral
> *announcement* of a new Ubuntu-related shop, company, etc. should be
> okay.  Something along the lines of:
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm X, and I'm opening a computer shop Y in Z.  I sell computer
>systems with Ubuntu pre-installed and offer support for PCs with
>Ubuntu in general.
>
>More info at http://example.com
>
> Such a mail could be useful for many people subscribed to the mailing
> list (and in the broader community).
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Wegetit.be

[martijn cielen]

Weird. When I was in our local town hall a while ago, they had big posters
saying "register now to become a donor".
Anyway, let's get back ontopic.

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On 30-mei-2011, at 17:55, Steven Leeman  wrote:



On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:41 PM, wouter Vandenneucker <
wouterv...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  you don't..
>
> In belgium you are a donator by default.. Although they don't really make
> use of that without you really consenting with it..
>
>
> well when you are eligible to be a donator... you are mostly braindeath...
mostly those that had a car accident in the weekends...

http://www.belgium.be/nl/gezondheid/gezondheidszorg/orgaan-_en_bloeddonatie/orgaandonatie/
here you will read in Dutch the following : "those who don't speak... will
automatically give permission to donate their organs"... only your children,
Wife and Parents can object to this... also you have to be at least 15 years
old

you can sign a letter in your municipal if you do not want this to happen in
advance...

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Wegetit.be

[martijn cielen]

I don't believe that, as you have to specifically register at the town hall
to be a donator, so please prove it with some Staatsblad article...

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On 30-mei-2011, at 17:15, Steven Leeman  wrote:

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Pierre Buyle <
mongolito404+ubuntu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> > "Opt-Out" it's allowed in the UK and done by eg BT...
> > But you can discuss if UK is part of Europe... at least not for 100% :-)
> > (they still use Pounds (not part of the Euro)still necessary to go
> > through customs (not part of Schengen)...)
> My mistake, sorry. The European law allow both to be choice in
> national legislation. Anyway, Opt-Out is illegal in Belgium. See
>
> http://economie.fgov.be/fr/modules/publications/general/spamming_brochure_fr.jsp
> or
> http://economie.fgov.be/nl/modules/publications/general/spamming_brochure_fr.jsp
>
>
hmm then the government is as corrupt as I thought...don't forget to opt-out
for "donor organ"
Belgium is one of the only ones who choose to automatically opt-in their
population...
you have to specifically opt-out if you are against it (due to religion
perhaps)



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] "wegetit"?

[martijn cielen]

wegetit? Maybe they get it, but I don't.
This is spam, and whether they promote Evil or Ubuntu, spammers should
be slowly and painfully killed by listening to Justin Bieber singing
the Microsoft Windows EULA :-)

btw, I received their mail too.

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> perhaps they can get Ubuntu on a usb3.0 stick :-)
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Maik Adamietz 
> wrote:
>>
>> Jurgen,
>>
>> I understand your point and think you are right. But however, that's my
>> logical thinking, this person could have sent us a more personal mail
>> explaining to us he has opened a (web)shop and giving us a real name
>> who's behind this.
>>
>> Now it looks like a ordinary spam mail.. altough i like the idea.
>>
>> Also look at the end of the wegetit mail, there's a link to
>> unsubscribe and no longer recieve the newsletter.
>>
>> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 06:56 +0200, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I wouldn't be rude to this guy (yet). He's one of the very few companies
>> > actually offering Ubuntu on its hardware. I think he's entitled to
>> > sending us one message to boast over this. Agree with Wouter, if this
>> > becomes a weekly habit, we'll have a friendly talk with this person,
>> > asking him to abide the Belgian laws on privacy.
>> >
>> > But for now, all I can say to that guy is: congratulations for having
>> > Ubuntu on the systems you sell! And thanks for telling me (now I know).
>> >
>> > I could only dream of some day getting 250 of these mails (all one-time
>> > notifications from companies selling computers).
>> > And while I'm dreaming, I'm also dreaming they actually offer
>> > professional grade support (for schools and small companies).
>> >
>> > Grtz,
>> > Jurgen.
>> >
>> > On 05/29/11 22:21, Frank Van Damme wrote:
>> > > Anyone else who got a commercial email message from wegetit.be? I'm in
>> > > the target audience clearly, but I'm wondering if those guys harvest
>> > > their mail adresses from the archives of this ML, or somewhere else.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu cd/dvd

[martijn cielen]

Here's a link to a pdf that seems to explain the process to get what
you want: 
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.byui.edu%2FSocieties%2FLinux%2FArchive%2Fcreating_a_linux_multi-boot_dvd_LWellman.pdf&rct=j&q=create%20multi%20linux%20install%20dvd&ei=aAfeTbqlCsWYOsie_eUJ&usg=AFQjCNH_uDeEKuuw932mKFf7nIVMU3OQxg&cad=rja

Haven't looked at it in-depth, but seems worth having a look.

Martijn

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:47 AM, wouter Vandenneucker
>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what is the most effective approach here:
>> - 32bit version with X-L-K-Ed-Ubuntu
>> - 64bit version with X-L-K-Ed-Ubuntu
>> OR
>> - 32bit Kubuntu
>> - 32bit Ubuntu
>> - 32bit Edubuntu
>> - 64bit Kubuntu
>> - 64bit Ubuntu
>> - 64bit Edubuntu
>> About that second option: Would it be possible to put all the packages on
>> the cd only once per Xbit version?
>> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/19216/ is also thinking about that..
>
> it should be possible to start with a 32bit and a 64bit ubuntu iso...
> and add on each the "...-desktop" packages...
> gnome,kde,xfce, ... vs U/K/...
> imho an "edubuntu-desktop" is just an ubuntu with more "educational"
> software
> the edubuntu-desktop contains the following:
>
> ubuntu-edu-preschool - Preschool ( < 5 years old) educational application
> bundle
> ubuntu-edu-primary - Primary ( ages 6-12) educational application bundle
> ubuntu-edu-secondary - Secondary ( ages 13-18) educational application
> bundle
> ubuntu-edu-tertiary - Tertiary ( university level ) educational application
> bundle
>
> I haven't played much with edubuntu... don't know if it's all in Dutch
> and for kubuntu people you can install edubuntu-desktop-kde (but not all
> educational software is ported to KDE or contains kde-only material so it
> will install gnome stuff like Gcompris as far as I know
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

[martijn cielen]

Don't want to be nit picking, but that's an article of 2010. The rumor
I heard was from UDS-O.
Don't know if Mark has changed his opinion since then though.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:27 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>>
>> You are absolutely right, but rumor has it Canonical is thinking of
>> switching to dvd. Anyone knows more?
>>
> some history
> : http://techie-buzz.com/foss/is-it-time-for-ubuntu-to-switch-to-a-dvd-iso.html
>  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/10/mark-shuttleworth-talks-projcet-harmony-unity-and-more
>
> Any plans on changing the one-cd strategy, to get room for more standard
> tools, like say a daemon administration tool and a firewall?
>
> No, it’s a good discipline, we need to get better at helping people find
> things like those tools of yours, after they install and forcing less on
> them up front.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

[martijn cielen]

You are absolutely right, but rumor has it Canonical is thinking of
switching to dvd. Anyone knows more?

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On 24-mei-2011, at 22:54, Steven Leeman  wrote:

While the usb3.0 is introduced, we might get old usb2.0 stock at very
> reduced rates?
>
>
> Like I said, we should aim at (in Dutch) the one with your first name and a
> hat. He'll feel he's buying something old in a year.
>

but it doesn't have to be made from gold, 64gbyte, with an audio out for
voip, ...
1gbyte should suffice for ubuntu and even with unity that will not be more
... even with alternate, kde/gnime dutch/french/english/German on 1 stick
1gb is enough?
your "docs" should be on the cloud (ubuntu one? :)

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

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Sent from my iPhone

On 24-mei-2011, at 18:58, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:



On 24 May 2011 15:42, Steven Leeman  wrote:

> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:35 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>
>> > Are these USB 3.0 still compatible with USB 2.0? Also in the future? If
>> > yes, no problem, if not we might be forced to do a hardware
>> > upgrade?
>>
>> 3.0 is fully backward compatible with 2.0
>>
>
> yes... the connector is "bigger" but a usb2.0 connector still fits ...
> a usb 2.0 device is even slightly faster on a usb 3.0 port due to "new"
> chipsets
>
> usb 3.0 is primordly necessary for "ssd" as the usb sticks & harddisks were
> practically fast enough...
>
>

The more important thing is the other way around. Since Ubuntu is often used
on older hardware, will a usb3.0 stick fit a usb2.0 port (or even usb1.0) on
an old computer?


That's the definition of backwards compatible ;-)


> Also.. Don't USB 3.0 sticks cost more at the moment compared to USB 2.0
>> > sticks?
>>
>
> yes... it will take a while untill that is gone...
> this wednesday you can buy a usb 3.0 harddisk in aldi shop :-)
>
While the usb3.0 is introduced, we might get old usb2.0 stock at very
reduced rates?


Like I said, we should aim at (in Dutch) the one with your first name and a
hat. He'll feel he's buying something old in a year.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Maik Adamietz  wrote:
> Don't know much about this part but.
>
> Are these USB 3.0 still compatible with USB 2.0? Also in the future? If
> yes, no problem, if not we might be forced to do a hardware
> upgrade?

3.0 is fully backward compatible with 2.0

> Also.. Don't USB 3.0 sticks cost more at the moment compared to USB 2.0
> sticks?

probably, oth "Joe Sixpack" will probbably not buy a 2.0 in a year
time, as 3.0 will become mainstream and 2.0 will be "old"

> But over all i love the idea's about the USB sticks. :)
>
> On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 13:03 +0200, martijn cielen wrote:
>> Gents,
>>
>> something that just springs to mind, as Ubuntu imho as also about
>> being ready for the future, I'd recommend ordering USB 3.0 sticks.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

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s/as/is

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:03 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
> Gents,
>
> something that just springs to mind, as Ubuntu imho as also about
> being ready for the future, I'd recommend ordering USB 3.0 sticks.
> What do you think?
>
> Martijn
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, wouter Vandenneucker
>  wrote:
>> lol that project ain't gonna run unity :p
>> 256MB of RAM is to little.
>> Massimo and Clamam checked it yesterday and Unity need 512MB minimum.
>> but I already saw this pass by on HackaDay (or HackNMod).
>> Love the idea, maybe we've got some ubunteros who are in a Hackerspace and
>> dying for a new project?
>> grts
>>
>> Wouter
>>
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 23:42:45 +0200
>> From: ste...@leeman.be
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jurgen Gaeremyn
>>  wrote:
>>
>> lol! just felt that whip cracking my 4ss... that hurt.
>>
>> I love the idea of this stick - and I don't doubt anyone thinks it is a
>> bad idea.
>>
>>
>> also on "Long term"...i've been added to the mailinglist of this
>> : http://raspberrypi.org/
>> this is no ordinary usb stick...it fits right into the hdmi port of your
>> flatscreen... just add usb keyboard.mice... and play ubuntu
>> no need for a "pc"/"laptop"/"netbook"/"tablet" or Chromebook or playbook
>> or whatever :-)
>> but it will take another year probably untill it goes to market :(
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

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Gents,

something that just springs to mind, as Ubuntu imho as also about
being ready for the future, I'd recommend ordering USB 3.0 sticks.
What do you think?

Martijn

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, wouter Vandenneucker
 wrote:
> lol that project ain't gonna run unity :p
> 256MB of RAM is to little.
> Massimo and Clamam checked it yesterday and Unity need 512MB minimum.
> but I already saw this pass by on HackaDay (or HackNMod).
> Love the idea, maybe we've got some ubunteros who are in a Hackerspace and
> dying for a new project?
> grts
>
> Wouter
>
> 
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 23:42:45 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jurgen Gaeremyn
>  wrote:
>
> lol! just felt that whip cracking my 4ss... that hurt.
>
> I love the idea of this stick - and I don't doubt anyone thinks it is a
> bad idea.
>
>
> also on "Long term"...i've been added to the mailinglist of this
> : http://raspberrypi.org/
> this is no ordinary usb stick...it fits right into the hdmi port of your
> flatscreen... just add usb keyboard.mice... and play ubuntu
> no need for a "pc"/"laptop"/"netbook"/"tablet" or Chromebook or playbook
> or whatever :-)
> but it will take another year probably untill it goes to market :(
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu braai

[martijn cielen]

Willem,

I don't want to offend you, buy how can you say you promote freedom, and at
the same time promote the limitation of freedom by trying to make people
feel sorry about eating meat?

Are you also against lions killing animals to eat? Are you against my cat
killing pigeons and rabbits?

Killing animals is purely natural, abd it should be anyone's free choice to
eat meat or not.

Martijn

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On 23-mei-2011, at 23:25, Willem Hulscher  wrote:

An animal is also anyone. So there is some abusing happened in that mail. In
any case, there is an ancouragement for killing and eating someone. I
understand that you do not see that, but an animal is also anyone. So anyone
will be abused for that party.  Sorry for wake you up

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*Subject:* Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu braai

But abusing this poor little mailing list that never did anything bad to
anyone, is OK?

On 23 May 2011 13:35, Willem Hulscher  wrote:

> Well, it is too far away, but if else, I also did not come. I not only take
> care of freedom for people, but also freedom for other animals. And braai
> death bodies of abused animals is no pleasure for me. I am so sorry for that
>
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> *To:* Ubuntu Belgium 
> *Sent:* Mon, May 23, 2011 11:27:36 AM
> *Subject:* [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu braai
>
> (the following message contains South African slang. If you are lost in
> translation, there are plenty of web sites that will help you out with it.
> Google is your friend. The Wikipedia list is kak, don't bother)
>
> Howzit!
>
> As promised I'll be organising a lekker South African braai at our place.
> Jurgen suggested to publish a Doodle with some date proposals, so here goes:
> http://doodle.com/f2i9h2gsrsp6hz2i
> Please do fill in your name and the dates you are available if you wish to
> attend.
>
> How will this braai work?
> Basically anyone is invited, but we do have a logistic limit of 10 to 15
> people on our terrace. The weather needs to be dry for the occasion. If it
> rains, we need to shift the venue or the date. I have access to pretty
> accurate forecasts so I can tell you at least a day in advance.
>
> South Africans are very casual with their braai. If you happen to have a
> friend that wants to come along last minute, he/she is welcome to join.
> "Your friends are our friends too."
> Because of this, the logistics are just as casual. We do cater for those
> who want it. We'll have to shop for it ourselves and anyone can just ask to
> buy something for them as well.
> Many people prefer to bring their own 'dop en tjop'. Then they know they'll
> like the meat that's on the fire, and the booze that is available.
> We will have the basics: lager beer, wine, cola, water, and salads and
> snacks. We will have braaivleis according to our own taste. If you wish we
> should cater for you, by all means, just let us know. There may be some
> boerewors if we can get hold of some. We usually get some sosaties and chops
> from the local butchery.
>
> You can try your skills on our vuvuzela's if you wish. (Don't give your
> opinion now. It will all change once you have a few 'doppe' in you.)
>
> We usually start our braai early. We get together from about 5pm onwards,
> and the fires are usually started at around 7pm (actually after sunset, but
> this is not recommendable in summer in Belgium).
> It gives us enough time to talk shit, have some snacks, and drink! They
> have a saying: Meestal is die mense gaar voor die vleis gaar is. (Usually
> the people are 'cooked' before the meat is cooked).
> Starting early has the added advantage that the party is usually over well
> before midnight, and you still have the opportunity to catch the last train.
> No need to drink and drive.
>
> But if you don't feel like going home that night, we always have a spare
> bed or two, and you are welcome to just kip until the morning.
>
> Obviously there is no dress code for the occasion. Most people come in
> shorts and plakkies if it's warm enough.
>
> So kom maak 'n draai en kuier saam met ons. We're going to have a moerse
> party.
>
> Cheers,
> Jan.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

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That's the official version, they might have another version if you
know the right people ;-)
Remember they stopped accepting special orders (multiple cd's) at
shipit (before they completely stopped shipit)? I mailed them,
explaining I was a support point and handed out quite a lot of cd's.
Got 30 without a problem.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> what do you want to test?
> it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old
> device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or
> something...
> in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a
> reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on
> "shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in
> the past ?
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price
>> when we order eg 250 sticks?
>> That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/...
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

[martijn cielen]

Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price
when we order eg 250 sticks?
That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/...

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Etienne Saliez  wrote:
>
> ( 1 )  UBUNTU USB STICK:
> 
> An excellent idea and the essential message is
> ===
> "Ubuntu is free". "Bring your own USB stick and we will provide a free
> copy, the time of drinking a coffee".
> ===
>
> In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at
> hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same
> time.
> In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded
> key becoming their property and being reusable later.
> This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the
> service of the preparation of the key.
>
> Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service.
> Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to
> participate in the investment.
>
> A little story:  some years ago at the end of an open source conference
> in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros !
>
>
> ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES:
> 
> As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery !
> I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time
> nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers.
> All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do
> not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick.
>
> I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been
> tested about Ubuntu compatibility.
> This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the
> risk to have to throw away unusable equipments.
>
>
> ( 3 ) LEGAL STATUS ?
> ---
> I see the need of 2 types of organizations having different roles:
>
> ( 3.A ) A not for profit association:
> A more visible status for the volunteers currently promoting Ubuntu in
> Belgium.
> If possible on a broader scale, as a participation in an international
> non profit association.
> Have a look at IVZW or AISBL, e.i. an extension of the Belgian law
> providing more flexibility for international associations, the members
> do not need to have the Belgian nationality.
> Basic requirements are limited to a postal address in Belgium and a
> yearly report showing that the activities are indeed non profit.
>
> ( 3.B ) Commercial services support:
> Management of equipment distribution and paid support services.
>
>
>
> Etienne Saliez
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 23:02 +0200, wouter Vandenneucker wrote:
>> misschien kan warddr eens kijken hoeveel ze er in china voor vragen.
>> (Hij heeft ervaring met massa aankoop uit China) (T is een vak
>> appart :p)
>>
>>
>> en ja, de wiki zonder trouble, het is een droom voor iedereen..
>>
>>
>> __
>> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:58:27 +0200
>> From: ste...@leeman.be
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>>
>> ja ik heb ze op de wiki gezet...
>> het is niet opportuun om attachments te versturen per mailinglist (max
>> size enzo)
>> ook worden die niet in het archief opgenomen
>> ook kan er makkellijker ingespeeld worden op de wiki (en heb ik weer
>> kunnen vechten met "moinmoin"...grunch)
>>
>> 2011/5/18 wouter Vandenneucker 
>>         die pdf's komen er bij mij precies niet door.. of bedoel je
>>         die op de wiki?
>>         
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

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That's one idea. If we choose that path, I think the vzw should be
more than just ubuntu loco, eg "vzw for promotion and support of
ubuntu in belgium".

btw,

I'm playing with the idea of starting independant Ubuntu courses
somewhere in the next years (after our *huge* renovation works are
done). So a close collaboration with ubuntu-be will benefit both of
us.

kr,

M

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:22 AM, wouter Vandenneucker
 wrote:
> if we're gonna sell mugs we need to do it the good way, not vista print
> way..
> I guess we could try to become an 'ubuntu market place' (like an ubuntu
> partner but with less musts)
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/
>
> there are a couple of them who do merchandising..
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
> 
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:14:45 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>
> Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse
> ;-)
> (I'd apply for a job there immediately)
>
> But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
> shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
> while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.
>
>
> this is the "ubuntu-fr" shop...
> they ask 19 euro for a 4gbyte usb key
> : http://framakey.org/Pack/Framakey-Ubuntu
> http://enventelibre.org/ubuntufr
> you can create "mugs" with vistaprint...
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850

[martijn cielen]

Since no-one stepped forward to exchange the server for an Arduino,
I'm donating the server as is to ubuntu-be.
Do you guys think a t-shirt could come my way in return? ;-)

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:02 AM,   wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> hackerspaces are by definition very open minded.
> If it's open, you're welcome :)
>
> In Brussels, as a general rule Tuesday night there is a weekly meeting -
> open for everyone too.
> For the other sites, just have a look on their wiki.
> If you go over, please say "Hi!" from me.
> I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy it!
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen
>
> - Originele e-mail -
> Van: "wouter Vandenneucker" 
> Aan: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Verzonden: Donderdag 5 mei 2011 09:54:59 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlijn /
> Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Wenen
> Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> @Martijn, great choice on the arduino. An open platform with tons of active
> people in the community. I'm currently building an 8x8x8 LED cube and I use
> my arduino as long as it's in dev. stage.
> @Jurgen: can you just drop in at the hackerspaces? I study in Hasselt so
> there isn't one close anyway, but I'd love to take a look in a hackerspace
> someday in the near future.
>
>
> as for the dell poweredge, I might also have an scsi drive laying around
> somewhere. I'll look for this afternoon.
>
>
> grts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wouter
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 06:53:09 +0200
>> From: jurgen.gaere...@pandora.be
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850
>>
>> On 05/03/2011 07:37 AM, martijn cielen wrote:
>> > Hi list,
>> >
>> > I still have a Dell Poweredge 1850 gathering dust.
>> > It comes without disks and memory (due to employer's regulations).
>> > I'd like to change it against an Arduino board + starter kit.
>> > It could be used to demonstrate ubuntu server, so if really nobody
>> > wants it, I might donate it to ubuntu-be.
>> >
>> > kindest regards,
>> >
>> > Martijn
>> >
>>
>> Hey Martijn,
>>
>> I won't talk about the Dell Poweredge server, but if you're into
>> Arduino, I would really like to suggest you to have a look at the
>> Hackerspaces in Belgium:
>>
>> Brussels: HSBXL: www.hackerspace.be
>> Antwerp: VoidWarranties: we.voidwarranties.be
>> Ghent: Whitespace: www.0x20.be
>> Charleroi: Wolfplex : www.wolfplex.org
>>
>> If I heard correctly, there's a few people starting of launching a
>> Hackerspace in Brugge too. Don't know too much details about that one
>> yet, but if relevant, I can get you in touch.
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Jurgen.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

[martijn cielen]

Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse ;-)
(I'd apply for a job there immediately)

But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:54 AM, wouter Vandenneucker
 wrote:
> I doubt canonical will let a loco as Ubuntu-be manage this..
> Ubuntu-fr is way bigger and has a decent structure as well.
> Nevertheless we could ask for that, it would make some things cheaper to
> distribute etc..
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
>
>> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:13:21 +0200
>> From: mcie...@gmail.com
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>>
>> We could offer them for a symbolic price (eg € 2), this will imho
>> prevent people from just grabbing one and putting it in a drawer never
>> to come out again, as they paid for it. On the other hand they don't
>> have the feeling it has cost them an arm and a leg.
>>
>> On a side note: when becoming a vzw, can't we talk to Canonical to let
>> Ubuntu-be offer an Ubuntu store on European main continent? If we
>> distribute resources and stock, this should be feasible without huge
>> investments. Just an idea.
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
>> > I wouldn't offer them for free imho?
>> > unless you can find such a sponsor?
>> > Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-)
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
>> >> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Some more advantages:
>> >>  It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
>> >> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity
>> >> becomes
>> >> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.
>> >>
>> >> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
>> >> quicker too.
>> >>
>> >> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike
>> >> the
>> >> CD. We would have to charge money.
>> >>
>> >> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead
>> >> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
>> >> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer
>> >> the
>> >> usage of my bvba.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Jan.
>> >>
>> >> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Steven
>> >>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I
>> >>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
>> >>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the
>> >>> idea
>> >>>
>> >>> on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>> >>> I'll also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting
>> >>> (26/05/2011). Feel free to discus it there as well.
>> >>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I
>> >>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
>> >>> - More durable than a CD
>> >>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
>> >>> - Can be updated
>> >>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you
>> >>> like)
>> >>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising
>> >>> for us. (Free Publicity)
>> >>> - Also works for Netbook owners
>> >>> - Really awesome goodie.
>> >>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu
>> >>> (once
>> >>> we finally create it..)
>> >>> grts
>> >>>
>> >>> Wouter
>> >>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
>> >>> _

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

[martijn cielen]

Stijn,

I see what you mean without even looking at the code. Hardcoded
credentials is obviously a no go, but since MV uses OAuth, there must
be way to overcome this problem? (Again, I'm not a developer)

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
 wrote:
> Martijn,
>
> I don't say this wouldn't be neat!. I'm a heavy fan of Mobile Vikings. But 
> I'm just thinking of the design problems it could have. For example take a 
> look at the evernote example source code: 
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-place-sample/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala
>  , The login details are hard-coded in the vala script and I don't think 
> unity has any dialog/password support build-in. I would certainly try if I 
> could write C or vala (never heard of vala before) just for the kicks of it. 
> But do you understand the problem?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stijn
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> martijn cielen
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 9:00
> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>
> Stijn,
>
> basically you can do anything with a lens. See also
> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
> So the MobileVikings Lens could display all your account information
> (cfr eg iPhone app MyVikings).
>
> kindest regards,
>
> Martijn
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
>  wrote:
>> Martijn,
>>
>> Aren't Unity lenses meant for searching protocols or am I totally missing 
>> the point here?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Stijn
>>
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
>> martijn cielen
>> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 8:00
>> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
>> Onderwerp: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>>
>> Gents,
>>
>> As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
>> calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
>> spare time atm).
>>
>> Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
>> The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
>> lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
>> lens. ;-)
>>
>> kindest regards,
>>
>> Martijn
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

[martijn cielen]

We could offer them for a symbolic price (eg € 2), this will imho
prevent people from just grabbing one and putting it in a drawer never
to come out again, as they paid for it. On the other hand they don't
have the feeling it has cost them an arm and a leg.

On a side note: when becoming a vzw, can't we talk to Canonical to let
Ubuntu-be offer an Ubuntu store on European main continent? If we
distribute resources and stock, this should be feasible without huge
investments. Just an idea.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> I wouldn't offer them for free imho?
> unless you can find such a sponsor?
> Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-)
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>>
>> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
>> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
>>
>> Some more advantages:
>>  It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
>> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity becomes
>> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.
>>
>> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
>> quicker too.
>>
>> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike the
>> CD. We would have to charge money.
>>
>> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead
>> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
>> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer the
>> usage of my bvba.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jan.
>>
>> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Steven
>>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I
>>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
>>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the idea
>>> on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>>> I'll also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting
>>> (26/05/2011). Feel free to discus it there as well.
>>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I
>>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
>>> - More durable than a CD
>>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
>>> - Can be updated
>>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you like)
>>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising
>>> for us. (Free Publicity)
>>> - Also works for Netbook owners
>>> - Really awesome goodie.
>>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu (once
>>> we finally create it..)
>>> grts
>>>
>>> Wouter
>>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 ste...@leeman.be wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me if
>>> I could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France.
>>> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a 1GB
>>> stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who
>>> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens... Gained
>>> another Ubuntero.
>>> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks...
>>> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem...
>>> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick...
>>> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874
>>> 4gbyte usb stick
>>> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport
>>> I've contacted the first USB supplier I could find and he gave me
>>> following prices:
>>> model "Usb Incentive"
>>> : http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-stick-incentive-zilver.html
>>> 4 GB 2.0 -> Like Canonical sells them
>>> Price/piece: €7,66
>>> Logo Print: €0,10
>>> Transport (China): €20,-
>>> Total for 100 pieces: €796,- (excl. BTW)
>>> 1 GB 2.0  -> Minimum size for an Ubuntu Live CD...Has 300MB spare for
>>> extra's (NL Language for instance.. or some extra programs?)
>>> Price/piece €

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

[martijn cielen]

Stijn,

basically you can do anything with a lens. See also
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
So the MobileVikings Lens could display all your account information
(cfr eg iPhone app MyVikings).

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
 wrote:
> Martijn,
>
> Aren't Unity lenses meant for searching protocols or am I totally missing the 
> point here?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stijn
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> martijn cielen
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 8:00
> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> Onderwerp: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>
> Gents,
>
> As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
> calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
> spare time atm).
>
> Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
> The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
> lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
> lens. ;-)
>
> kindest regards,
>
> Martijn
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[Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

[martijn cielen]

Gents,

As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
spare time atm).

Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
lens. ;-)

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

[martijn cielen]

The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company

Sent from my iPhone

On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:

Some more advantages:
 It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity becomes
outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.

It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
quicker too.

Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike the
CD. We would have to charge money.

A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead before
the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer the
usage of my bvba.

Cheers,
Jan.

On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:

>  Hey Steven
>
> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I think
> it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the idea
> on:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
> I'll
> also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting (26/05/2011). Feel
> free to discus it there as well.
>
> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I can
> think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
> - More durable than a CD
> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
> - Can be updated
> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you like)
> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising for
> us. (Free Publicity)
> - Also works for Netbook owners
> - Really awesome goodie.
> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu (once we
> finally create it..)
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
>
> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
>
> --
> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 ste...@leeman.be wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me if I
> could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France.
> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a 1GB
> stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who
> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens... Gained
> another Ubuntero.
>
> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks...
> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem...
>
> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick...
>
> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874
> 4gbyte usb stick
> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport
>
> I've contacted the first USB supplier I could find and he gave me following
> prices:
>
> model "Usb Incentive" :
> http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-stick-incentive-zilver.html
> 4 GB 2.0 -> Like Canonical sells them
> Price/piece: €7,66
> Logo Print: €0,10
> Transport (China): €20,-
> Total for 100 pieces: €796,- (excl. BTW)
>
> 1 GB 2.0  -> Minimum size for an Ubuntu Live CD...Has 300MB spare for
> extra's (NL Language for instance.. or some extra programs?)
> Price/piece €5,26
> Logo Print: €0,10
> Transport (China): €20,-
> Total for 100 pieces: €526,- (excl. BTW)
>
> The minimum amount is 100 pieces, so I gave the targetprice for 100 USB
> sticks from a good priceclass (like USB Incentive) *including printing of
> the logo in 2 colors.*
> Printing costs per color are €0,05.
>
> Although I was able to sent a normal "usb stick" to France in a normal
> envelope... it might be beter to use "creditcard' models?
>
> http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/183/usb-creditcard-standaard.html
>  ...
> the experience is that the stick parte is easy to click out if your
> usb-ports  can't handle "wide" carts...
> The extra amount for a creditcar model is €0,48 per stick.
>
> I could also hear what other suppliers have to say?
>
> You don't give away the sticks for free of course but you sell them with a
> small profit...
> - "ubuntu cd's" are out of date after 6 months...;
> - Cd's take a big amount of time to burn (the average pc has 6 usb ports
> atm... you've got 6 stick in a 123 with ubuntu on them... And then we aren't
> talking about USB hubs)
> - You write a cd only 1 time and throw them away afterwards... (except when
> you have a nice artistic print so you can reuse them as a "clock"?)
> - USB sticks can be updated... or you can change the data with something
> else... So the "buyer" isn't cheated with buying the stick.
>
> Maybe this can result in a nice discussion?
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850

[martijn cielen]

It indeed requires ECC ram. As for the disks Pierre has to offer, I'll
have to investigate. Won't be before next week though. I presume any
scsi disk will do, as long as it's ultra-320.

If anyone wants the server for personal use, both disks and memory are
quite easy to find on sites like tweakers.net.

These servers usually sell for about € 120 without disks or memory.

Kindest regards,

Martijn

Sent from my iPhone

On 4-mei-2011, at 23:38, Pierre Vorhagen  wrote:

> Oh, and it will require ECC RAM, I'm practically certain of that.
>
> Pierre
>
>
> On 04/05/11 23:30, Jan Claeys wrote:
>> If I understand the Dell specsheet I found correctly, it needs SCSI hard
>> disks (those aren't so easy to find anymore)?  And does it work with
>> normal DDR2 RAM or does it require ECC?
>>
>
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[Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850

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Hi list,

I still have a Dell Poweredge 1850 gathering dust.
It comes without disks and memory (due to employer's regulations).
I'd like to change it against an Arduino board + starter kit.
It could be used to demonstrate ubuntu server, so if really nobody
wants it, I might donate it to ubuntu-be.

kindest regards,

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Opening a blogroll and implementing social stuff to the ubuntu-be website

[martijn cielen]

I'd suggest splitting things up:

1. a blog with access for a limited number of people, to blog about events/...
2. a planet.ubuntu-be where all Belgian ubuntu users can be aggregated
(cfr. planet.grep.be)

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, wouter Vandenneucker
 wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I took my time to look at the existing bugs on the launchpad. (Those
> subscribed to all bugs there might have got a lot of messages today, sorry
> for that)
> There was a bug placed on the 2nd of februari of 2010 that talks about
> starting a blog for Ubuntu-Be.
> I think it is a terrific idea and an opportunity to boost our facebook,
> twitter, orkut and identi.ca accounts.
> (bug can be found at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-belgium/+bug/516732)
>
> The implementation of these things can go along resulting in a better more
> dynamical experience of the website.
>
> I started my search about this with facebook and twitter as they are the
> once I know best. The integration can reach from adding like buttons to all
> the blog posts till adding a social window inside of the page.
> Twitter on the other hand can be coupled to facebook, resulting in only 1
> window needed.
>
> Lose from those social ideas the main thing should be a blogroll. As you can
> read in the bug this can (apparently) be done allready. Nevertheless have
> the ability to make a blog doesn't automatically result in having a blog,
> let alone having people who read the blog. I'd like to here from you guys
> how you think the blog should look and what you'd like.
>
> To start the debate about this I'll start by telling what ideas crossed my
> mind:
>
> Authors: all users? just a few users? or both?
> Where: on the homepage? on an other page? inside the planet? on
> facebook/blogger/wordpress and only putting links on the website?
> Content: only stuff about Ubuntu? only stuff for end-users? or developers?
> or both?
>
> also other linux related stuff?
> does hardware matter?
> should we only talk about releases and stuff?
> or should we cover/feature and review certain applications?
> should we talk about solutions for common problems?
> should there be an idea list?
> can we include applications that are not in the app center? (.deb and stuff)
> are programs you should compile from scratch a 'no no' or a 'yes please I
> might finally understand compiling'
>
> should we target to existing users? starting ubuntueros? or hard core
> ubuntueros?
> should we talk about the netbook edition? about the server edition?
> should we feature ubuntu derivates?
>
> Please reply with your thoughts, I'm sure that I would love an Ubuntu-Be
> blog. I'd even volunteer for writing it if no-one else would.
> But knowing what you guys think about this idea would be great feedback. If
> none of you sees the benefits of it we might as well drop the idea.
>
> Kind regards
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] T-shirt update

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same here. Anyway, my vote goes to v4

Martijn

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Jim Bauwens  wrote:
> I can't vote, even if I login, so maybe the access settings are wrong ;-)
> Jim
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:29 AM, wouter Vandenneucker
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>>
>> Previous poll showed that most of you guys like the v9. But because of the
>> position of some content on some shirts we would have to pay €2.56 extra for
>> each shirt.
>> v6, v7 and v9 have either content on the front and the sleeve or on the
>> front and the back. This results in 2 separate printings and thus 2 times
>> setup costs.
>>
>>
>> Therefor we have decided to leave v6 v7 and v9 out of the voting. We want
>> to ask you to fill in one last poll. After this poll we will order 100
>> shirts.
>>
>> They will be available for everyone. Once you all have voted we will take
>> pre-orders!
>>
>> The shirts should be ready before FOSDEM, so we'll be ordering very soon.
>> Don't miss out your chance to vote.
>> The poll will close the 17th of januari at 23.59h
>>
>> You can vote for your favorite shirt at:
>> http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/514/which-shirt-do-you-prefer
>>
>> The proposal T-shirts can still be found at:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsT-shirts
>> Or at: http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/515/shirt-selection
>>
>>
>> More info and the results of the last poll can also be found at:
>> http://ubuntu-be.org/nl/content/515/shirt-selection
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
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>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Belgian ubuntu Bloggers

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Mike,

most of these blogs are aggregated on planet.grep.be

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Alain Baudrez  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I have a blog that I use to scribble about Linux in general when I feel
> like it. I'll focus a bit more on Ubuntu in the future so here it is :
>
> http://wamukota.blogspot.com
>
> Alain
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu cd's beschikbaar in Gent?

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Toen ik dit mailtje las in GMail, stond er een reclame linkje bij naar
http://www.akmedia.nl/cddvd/bedrukken.php --> misschien kan iemand daar eens
informeren naar mogelijkheden/prijzen?

2010/1/13 Ward De Ridder 

> Dat zelf laten maken klikt goed.
> Dat is vorig jaar ook eens gedaan voor een releaseparty zeker hé?
>
> Ward
>
> Op 13 januari 2010 19:12 schreef Jan Claeys  het volgende:
>
>> Op maandag 11-01-2010 om 22:42 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Sander Van
>>
>> der Maelen:
>> > Ik sta al enkele jaren op de steunpuntenkaart en heb mijn "taken", hoe
>> > beperkt ook, steeds kunnen volbrengen door op Shipit cd's aan te
>> > vragen of in extremis zelf een image te downloaden en branden op cd.
>> > Nu, aangezien ik blijkbaar al te veel aanvragen in het verleden heb
>> > gedaan bij Shipit, kan ik geen mooie cd's met hoesje enz. meer
>> > bemachtigen. Ik krijg wel ongeveer eens per 3 weken een aanvraag voor
>> > een/meerdere cd's met ondersteuning, en dan een officiële cd te kunnen
>> > geven, zou best mooi zijn. *Zijn er toevallig nog dergelijke officiële
>> > Ubuntu-cd's beschikbaar in Gent?* Ik woon aan de Dampoort en kan er
>> > ev. binnen/net buiten de stadsring om komen...
>>
>> Momenteel is het zo dat je maar één aanvraag kan doen op shipit, tenzij
>> je een "Ubuntu Member" bent.
>>
>> Binnenkort is er een dipro-beurs in Gent, als je wil kan ik je daar wel
>> een paar officiële CD's bezorgen (eventueel sms je even wanneer je die
>> dag buiten het ICC staat, zodat je geen toegang moet betalen--of je komt
>> ons helpen op de stand die dag, dan is toegang gratis voor je ;) ).
>>
>>
>> Daarnaast: ik heb zitten denken over het produceren van een eigen
>> "officiële" CD voor ubuntu-be (en/of ubuntu-nl, er bestaat bijvoorbeeld
>> al een CD voor ubuntu-fr)
>>
>> Zo'n CD's zouden wel niet gratis zijn, maar inclusief hoesje hopelijk
>> wel goedkoper dan zelf CD-R's branden.
>>
>> Wat denken mensen daarover?
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Identica

[martijn cielen]

In that case I'll take the liberty to forward messages whenever possible
using the new account ;-)

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Pierre Buyle <
mongolito404+ubuntu...@gmail.com >wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I created an identica group for Ubuntu-be long ago, see
> http://identi.ca/group/ubuntube
>
> With the group feature, I don't think we need a separate ubuntube
> account for announcements. Whoever has an announcement to do can use
> his/her own account. As there is no "central" management, But I plan
> to, one day, automatically publish event notification and reminder
> from the website (hint: if you want to dig Drupal + Identi.ca
> integration, you too can do it). A central ubuntu-be can be used for
> this sort of things. Also I've noting against somebody taking the
> responsibility to forward announcement from the mailing list to
> identi.ca using an ubuntu-be account.
>
> PS: There is also a Twitter Twibes, see
> http://www.twibes.com/group/ubuntube
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:22 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
> > Dear list,
> > I've taken the liberty to create both an "ubuntube" identica user and an
> > "ubuntubelgium" identica group.
> > Those of you using identica can obviously join the group and/or dent to
> > !ubuntubelgium.
> > Ubuntu-be "management" can use the "ubuntube" user to do announcements.
> To
> > whom should I sent the temporary password?
> > kindest regards,
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Samenkoop

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Anyone with a credit card volunteering to follow up the orders and payments?

I don't have a CC either

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Jan Claeys  wrote:

> Op vrijdag 23-10-2009 om 12:41 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef martijn
> cielen:
> >   1. the bank account number to use: I'd prefer the one normally used
> > by ubuntu-be
>
> We don't have an ubuntu-be credit card...
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Samenkoop

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Ik zal dan maar het initiatief nemen.
I've created a draft wiki page for Group Orders.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/GroupOrder

What has to be decided:
  1. the bank account number to use: I'd prefer the one normally used by
ubuntu-be
  2. the standard frequency of ordering (eg. every 2 months if order amount
exceeds 100 Euro)
  3. Who will follow up payments and ordering

I'm prepared to use my bank account and do the follow up, but under no
circumstance will I pay for items not paid beforehand.

kindest regards,

Martijn

2009/10/23 Ward De Ridder 

> Die lijst is er zeker: http://shop.canonical.com/
> Ik heb wel interesse in een laptopzak, ik moet alleen mijn ouders nog
> overtuigen dus dit is nog niet officieel!
> Krijgen we het dan aan de prijzen in euro in de shop, of komt er nog iets
> bij of gaat er nog iets af? Ik kan gerust wachten tot FOSDEM.
>
> Ward
>
> Op 23 oktober 2009 09:13 schreef mario  het volgende:
>
> Hi all,
>>
>> Ik heb ook interesse in wat er te kopen valt voor promotie materiaal
>>
>> Bestaat hier ergens een lijst van of zo met prijzen en artikels?
>> dan kan ik dat doorgeven aan onze marketing verantwoordelijke
>>
>>
>> Mario,
>>
>> On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 01:24 +0200, Jan Claeys wrote:
>> > Op donderdag 22-10-2009 om 14:53 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef martijn
>> > cielen:
>> > > Zou het niet interessant zijn om eens een samenkoop te organiseren in
>> > > de Ubuntu Store?
>> > > Ik heb alvast interesse in een paar zaken, maar de verzending kost
>> > > bijna meer dan de artikels.
>> > > Kan dit eventueel via de wiki opgezet worden?
>> > > Ik zou de termijn wel beperken tot 2 weken (max 1 maand).
>> >
>> > Dat kan zeker, als iemand dat wil organiseren.  :)
>> >
>> > (We hebben het in februari ook al gedaan naar aanleiding van de inkopen
>> > die we deden voor FOSDEM, en waarschijnlijk doen we dit jaar weer voor
>> > FOSDEM, dus je kan eventueel ook wachten tot dan.)
>> >
>> >
>> > [English explanation]
>> > Martijn asks if it's okay to do a group order of stuff from the Ubuntu
>> > store.  Of course that's okay if someone organises it!  ;)
>> >
>> > We did this for FOSDEM 2009 already, and probably will do it again for
>> > FOSDEM 2010, so Martijn can also wait until then (whatever he & others
>> > prefer).
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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[Ubuntu-be] Samenkoop

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Zou het niet interessant zijn om eens een samenkoop te organiseren in de
Ubuntu Store?
Ik heb alvast interesse in een paar zaken, maar de verzending kost bijna
meer dan de artikels.
Kan dit eventueel via de wiki opgezet worden?
Ik zou de termijn wel beperken tot 2 weken (max 1 maand).

mvg,

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Computer day

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http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/10/21/keeping-ubuntu-cds-available/

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:04 AM, FrankyCorp  wrote:

>
> Ubuntu ShipIt say this when I try to get 200CDs :
>
>
>
> Demand for Ubuntu CDs is very high, and we're trying to ensure that we have
> enough CDs for those who really need one. We've noticed that you've already
> received CDs of several previous Ubuntu releases. You can help us ensure
> the
> continued availability of Ubuntu CDs by
>
>* upgrading to the new release without a CD
>* downloading your own CD for free
>* becoming an Ubuntu member by contributing to Ubuntu, and thereby
> becoming eligible for more CDs
>
> Thanks for your support of Ubuntu!
>
>
> I don't know how to do to get CD for Computer Day ??!!
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC meeting report 07/10/2009

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Eerst en vooral moet ik even aangeven dat het leuk en handig is om de
notulen van de meetings te krijgen, aangezien ik op woensdagavond les geef
en dus onmogelijk aanwezig kan zijn. Maar. voor iemand die niet bij de
meeting was, is het onmogelijk op te maken wat er nu juist bedoeld wordt
met:


> "3, Promotion material
>  a. Ubuntu-case-stickers "powered by ubuntu": see
> http://system76.com/article_info.php?articles_id=9#belgium "
>

Zijn de stickers er? Zijn ze er niet meer? Kortom, dit soort samenvatting is
misschien ietsje TE beknopt.
Maar voor de rest: keep up the good work.

En tussen haakjes, ik heb bij mijn weten nooit een vraag ontvangen als
support point in de periode dat de reacties getest werden vanuit ubuntu-be.

Grts,

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] laptops zonder windows licentie

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Ik zal het lijste een dezer eens aanvullen, want ik heb het wel degelijk
aangevraagd, en ik kreeg het ook, alleen aangezien het om een Asus EEE
900 ging, zou ik welgeteld 7 euro terugkrijgen voor windows xp. Al de moeite
en tijd die ik er zou moeten insteken, hadden mij meer gekost. Ik heb dan
maar de laptop verkocht.

2009/10/4 Steven Leeman 

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund
> alleen Belgische gebruikers komen nog niet in de voorbeelden voor :-)
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] IRC meeting - Forum topic

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I'd be happy to moderate the forum, as I want to contribute to the team a
lot more than I do now, but have little time to attend dipro fairs and such.

kindest regards,

Martijn

P.S: in case there are more volunteers than moderators needed, I propose the
following:

1. Arrange an irc-meeting on a date/time all candidate moderators can
attend.
2. Ask candidates in the meeting to briefly introduce themselves.
3. Ask candidates why they would make a good moderator.
4. Vote

Comments welcome ;)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Pierre Buyle <
mongolito404+ubuntu...@gmail.com >wrote:

> Hi (again),
>
> I lightly reworked the poll. It will open in 12 hours and close on
> September the 9th at 8pm. The next meeting is scheduled the same day
> some at 9pm. My proposition is to acknowledge the poll results during
> this meeting. If the votes in favor of trying a forum, we should ask
> to have our own forum hosted by Ubuntu Forums (see
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCreatingForum). By this time we should
> have at least on volunteer to moderate the forum (as required by
> ubuntuforums.org).
>
> Is this ok for everybody ?
>
>
> PS: If needed we can expand to poll until the 16th.
> PPS: Interested moderators are invited to consult the Ubuntu Forums
> Code of Conduct (http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy) and
> agree to try their best to meet the exceptions in Section III.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Posters Ubuntu in Dutch

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Ik zou nog altijd (afhankelijk van de prijs) graag een aantal posters
willen...

2009/8/1 François Cauwe 

> Hallo Everybody,
>
> I moved recently and had no internet acces. But I still have Posters,
> they are located in Brussels now,
> Everybody please let me know if you are still intereseted.
>
> François
>
>
>
>
> François Cauwe schreef:
> > Hallo Everybody,
> >
> > A while ago a made quite a lot of ubuntu posters in dutch "De weg naar
> > de vrijheid is open voor iedereen".
> > I still have quite a lot of them, what should we do with it?
> >
> > François
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] About the Belgian Local Community Team (Belgian LoCo Team)

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Ik help nu al geregeld sofware vertalen.

2009/7/16 Patrick Coeman 

>
>
> martijn cielen schreef:
>
> > Ik gebruik AL mijn softwaren in het Engels, omdat ik walg van (meestal
> > slecht) vertaalde software (harde schijf? zijn er dan ook zachte?). De
> > discussie ging dan ook niet over softwaregebruik, maar over taalgebruik
> > in Ubuntu-BE.
>
> Matrijn,
>
> De meeste openbron pakketten kunnen hulp bij vertalen best gebruiken. De
> grotere hebben daar zelfs kleine teams rond. Misschien een suggestie om
> je harde nationalistische reflex te kanaliseren?
>
> ;-)
>
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>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] About the Belgian Local Community Team (Belgian LoCo Team)

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>
> > Ik vind gewoon dat het Nederlands en het Frans niet moeten wijken voor
> > het Engels.
>
> Says the person who uses his mail software in English:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Jan Claeys  wrote:
>
> Funny.  :P
>
>
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>

Ik gebruik AL mijn softwaren in het Engels, omdat ik walg van (meestal
slecht) vertaalde software (harde schijf? zijn er dan ook zachte?). De
discussie ging dan ook niet over softwaregebruik, maar over taalgebruik in
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] About the Belgian Local Community Team (Belgian LoCo Team)

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Ik ben steeds bereid een degelijke bijdrage te leveren in een goed
georganiseerd team dat:

1. zijn afkomst (zij het Vlaams/Waals/Zulu) niet verloochent, en dus ook
zijn moedertaal spreekt. Als er dan toch een "universele" taal moet
gesproken worden, kunnen we nog beter met zijn allen Esperanto leren. En ter
info: ik ben niet bang om Engels te spreken of te schrijven, ik durf zelfs
zeggen dat mijn Engels beter is dan dat van 90% van de lijst-gebruikers. Ik
vind gewoon dat het Nederlands en het Frans niet moeten wijken voor het
Engels. We hebben in Vlaanderen verdomme hard genoeg moeten vechten om
Nederlands te kunnen spreken!

2. Een degelijke structuur heeft, en bereid is op professionele manier te
werk te gaan. Ik heb te veel tijd verdaan in amateuristisch georganiseerde
feitelijke vernenigingen.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Jan Claeys  wrote:

> Op zondag 12-07-2009 om 01:10 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Steven De
> Baets:
> > 4. Ik merk ook een roep naar het opsplitsen van de Belgische Loco naar
> > een Vlaamse en een Waalse.
>
> Yeah, splitting up from 7 people into groups of 4, 1, 1 & 1 active
> people is really useful (*NOT* !!!).
>
> Please everybody, contribute first, then (maybe) if a part of the
> community gets large enough to be sustainable on its own we can talk
> about splitting it out into a subdivision.
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] About the Belgian Local Community Team (Belgian LoCo Team)

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On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Matthew Deboysere
wrote:

>  Jean,
>
> op 11 juli, de Vlaamse nationale feestdag, reageer ik even in het
> Nederlands. Ik volg de mailinglijsten nu al een tijdje, en enkele dingen
> storen mij geweldig:
>
> 1. Het consequente gebruik van het Engels. Dit is België, en hier zijn 3
> officiële landstalen: Nederlands, Frans en Duits. Het gebruik van het Engels
> is dan ook compleet belachelijk, temeer daar een grote meerderheid niet eens
> deftig Engels kan schrijven (ja, ik ben een taalpurist). Ben je niet
> tweetalig? Of zitten er mensen op de lijst die niet tweetalig zijn?
> Begrijpelijk, maar dat brengt me meteen bij punt 2.
>
> *Matthew: Communicatie moet vlot verlopen en telkens alles vertalen of
> anderen buitensluiten helpt nu eenmaal niet.*
> Martijn: zie punt 2
>
> 2. Ubuntu-be: waarom niet opsplitsen in een Ubuntu-vla en een Ubuntu-wal
> (bijvoorbeeld). Zo het sowieso veel makkelijker maken, aangezien Vlaanderen
> en Wallonië (o.a.) qua bedrijfscultuur totaal verschillend zijn (ik heb in
> beide landsdelen gewerkt).
>
> *Matthew: Wat doe je met Brussel? Wat met de Duitstaligen?*
>

Martijn: Nederlandstaligen bij Ubuntu-vla, Franstaligen bij Ubuntu-wal.
Duitstaligen kunnen evtl Ubuntu-osk (oostkantons) oprichten

>
>
> 3. Een totaal gebrek aan leiderschap dat inderdaad leidt tot maandenlange
> discussies over non-issues. Hoog tijd om een volwaardig bestuur aan te
> stellen.
>
> *Matthew: Eens*
>
> 4. Versnippering van informatie: een oud zeer waar nodig aan gewerkt moet
> worden.
>
> *Matthew: Ook eens*
>
> Soit, ik wil dus gerust (al dan niet fysiek) meedenken over een aantal
> zaken.
>
> Et pour mes amis francophones: j'aime la Wallonie, mais je suis Flamand,
> donc je parle le néerlandais!
>
> Gegroet,
>
> Martijn**
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:42 PM, jean7491  wrote:
>
> Hi to all,
>
> As introduction, a few words from Steven's mail:
>
> "If someone has time to spare during the holidays, they can always read the 
> following.
>
> It is a bit of a long term idea, and it might be something interesting to 
> keep in mind."
>
> Related to the last mails, a few considerations as contribution.
>
> First I think that a lot Ubuntu LoCo Teams are facing the organization
> problem.
>
> The readers of the Ubuntu-be mailing list are a wide community (+/- 400)
> and the Belgian LoCo Team (125) is only a part of the mailing list.
> On 04/07, answering to the question "Who is now in charge of our loco
> team?", Jan wrote "Nobody is "in charge" really".
> The existing Wiki BelgianTeam/Responsibility page is not updated with a few
> exceptions: the official point of contact of the team, administrators of
> website, mailing list and IRC, owners of the Belgian LoCo Team (in
> Launchpad) and bank account (money).
> As result, nobody is competent for taking action when necessary, outside
> the technical problems.
>
> Example, since 2 months the problem of new posters and flyers is a topic in
> the mailing list and we are still debating again and again about all aspects
> of the project, with no decision.
> This topic should have been be worked on by a marketing team, presented to
> the LoCo Team members and adopted  by a leading  group mandated to take
> action (including money).
>
> The effectiveness and the future of the Be LoCo Team needs a clear
> organization and structure in support of the volunteers: it can not be based
> on a mailing list or individuals, but on team-work.
> An informal organization willing to be active can not work for the long
> time.
>
> Another aspect is the legal issue (statute) of the Be LoCo Team: to be
> recognize as a credible interlocutor in contacts with institutions (city
> services, ...), enterprises (looking for sponsoring, ...) and medias
> (presenting the association, ...), we additionally need a recognized legal
> statute, more than a de facto association, a club of friends promoting
> Ubuntu.
>
> We should start with a thinking-group (with a small group of interested
> persons) on this issues. Coordinated proposals could be later posted in the
> mailing list for evaluation by the LoCo Team members and finally an "in real
> life" meeting should be organized for decision making.
>
> This is a long term process and I don't expect results within weeks.
>
> The first step should be to identify people interested in thinking on these
> issues: feel free to postulate for the thinking-group !
>
> --
> Jean
> *Fout! Bestandsnaam niet opgegeven.**Ubuntu Belgium Events Team*
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] About the Belgian Local Community Team (Belgian LoCo Team)

[martijn cielen]

Jean,

op 11 juli, de Vlaamse nationale feestdag, reageer ik even in het
Nederlands. Ik volg de mailinglijsten nu al een tijdje, en enkele dingen
storen mij geweldig:

1. Het consequente gebruik van het Engels. Dit is België, en hier zijn 3
officiële landstalen: Nederlands, Frans en Duits. Het gebruik van het Engels
is dan ook compleet belachelijk, temeer daar een grote meerderheid niet eens
deftig Engels kan schrijven (ja, ik ben een taalpurist). Ben je niet
tweetalig? Of zitten er mensen op de lijst die niet tweetalig zijn?
Begrijpelijk, maar dat brengt me meteen bij punt 2.

2. Ubuntu-be: waarom niet opsplitsen in een Ubuntu-vla en een Ubuntu-wal
(bijvoorbeeld). Zo het sowieso veel makkelijker maken, aangezien Vlaanderen
en Wallonië (o.a.) qua bedrijfscultuur totaal verschillend zijn (ik heb in
beide landsdelen gewerkt).

3. Een totaal gebrek aan leiderschap dat inderdaad leidt tot maandenlange
discussies over non-issues. Hoog tijd om een volwaardig bestuur aan te
stellen.

4. Versnippering van informatie: een oud zeer waar nodig aan gewerkt moet
worden.

Soit, ik wil dus gerust (al dan niet fysiek) meedenken over een aantal
zaken.

Et pour mes amis francophones: j'aime la Wallonie, mais je suis Flamand,
donc je parle le néerlandais!

Gegroet,

Martijn

On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:42 PM, jean7491  wrote:

>  Hi to all,
>
> As introduction, a few words from Steven's mail:
>
> "If someone has time to spare during the holidays, they can always read the 
> following.
> It is a bit of a long term idea, and it might be something interesting to 
> keep in mind."
>
> Related to the last mails, a few considerations as contribution.
>
> First I think that a lot Ubuntu LoCo Teams are facing the organization
> problem.
>
> The readers of the Ubuntu-be mailing list are a wide community (+/- 400)
> and the Belgian LoCo Team (125) is only a part of the mailing list.
> On 04/07, answering to the question "Who is now in charge of our loco
> team?", Jan wrote "Nobody is "in charge" really".
> The existing Wiki BelgianTeam/Responsibility page is not updated with a few
> exceptions: the official point of contact of the team, administrators of
> website, mailing list and IRC, owners of the Belgian LoCo Team (in
> Launchpad) and bank account (money).
> As result, nobody is competent for taking action when necessary, outside
> the technical problems.
>
> Example, since 2 months the problem of new posters and flyers is a topic in
> the mailing list and we are still debating again and again about all aspects
> of the project, with no decision.
> This topic should have been be worked on by a marketing team, presented to
> the LoCo Team members and adopted  by a leading  group mandated to take
> action (including money).
>
> The effectiveness and the future of the Be LoCo Team needs a clear
> organization and structure in support of the volunteers: it can not be based
> on a mailing list or individuals, but on team-work.
> An informal organization willing to be active can not work for the long
> time.
>
> Another aspect is the legal issue (statute) of the Be LoCo Team: to be
> recognize as a credible interlocutor in contacts with institutions (city
> services, ...), enterprises (looking for sponsoring, ...) and medias
> (presenting the association, ...), we additionally need a recognized legal
> statute, more than a de facto association, a club of friends promoting
> Ubuntu.
>
> We should start with a thinking-group (with a small group of interested
> persons) on this issues. Coordinated proposals could be later posted in the
> mailing list for evaluation by the LoCo Team members and finally an "in real
> life" meeting should be organized for decision making.
>
> This is a long term process and I don't expect results within weeks.
>
> The first step should be to identify people interested in thinking on these
> issues: feel free to postulate for the thinking-group !
> --
> Jean
> *Ubuntu Belgium Events Team*
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Posters Ubuntu in Dutch

[martijn cielen]

I would like 50 to 100 posters to spread together with cd's. I can pick 
them up in Leuven.

greets,

Martijn

François Cauwe wrote:
> Jan Claeys schreef:
>   
>> Op zondag 03-05-2009 om 20:36 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Mike
>> Morraye:
>>   
>> 
>>> But I could use some for when I organise release party's
>>> 
>>>   
>> I can bring my stock of these posters to the release party  ;)
>>   
>> 
> I think we have the impression we still a huge stock of these around :)
>
> François
>
>
>   


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