Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
On Tue, June 26, 2007 23:37, Wouter Horré wrote: Hi all, On Thursday 17 May 2007 12:07:12 Wouter Horré wrote: To give an example: when I helped writing some code for the support-points-map, I had the feeling we were reimplementing functionality that has been implemented a thousand times before... (no offense). We were implementing a profile system while, for instance, Drupal has a profile system that can be easily extended with new fields. As an example, I have set up a proof-of-concept drupal 5.1 installation with a simple custom user profile: http://josua.homelinux.net:8080/drupal/user/register Nothing. Either a timeout, or a corporate firewall that blocks port 8080. -- Amedee -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 12:41:45 Amedee Van Gasse wrote: On Tue, June 26, 2007 23:37, Wouter Horré wrote: As an example, I have set up a proof-of-concept drupal 5.1 installation with a simple custom user profile: http://josua.homelinux.net:8080/drupal/user/register Nothing. Either a timeout, or a corporate firewall that blocks port 8080. My bad. My firewall only allows https from the internet. Try this one: https://josua.homelinux.net:8081/drupal/user/register regards Wouter -- http://wouter.horre.be/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Nice. Do you have any pointers for useful information on - fetching Drupal profiles from the outside (a PHP script not running inside Drupal) - integrating new behavior and content type (the map, but also computer shops information with ACL, etc.) Obviously, this is to get an idea on what could be done to integrate a Drupal driven community site with a custom map application like ours. On 6/27/07, Wouter Horré [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 27 June 2007 12:41:45 Amedee Van Gasse wrote: On Tue, June 26, 2007 23:37, Wouter Horré wrote: As an example, I have set up a proof-of-concept drupal 5.1 installation with a simple custom user profile: http://josua.homelinux.net:8080/drupal/user/register -- mongolito404, king of the mongolian people -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
On Wed, 2007-06-27 at 13:58 +0200, Pierre Buyle wrote: Do you have any pointers for useful information on - fetching Drupal profiles from the outside (a PHP script not running inside Drupal) - integrating new behavior and content type (the map, but also computer shops information with ACL, etc.) Drupal has lots of plugins (modules) to let you do a lot of stuff. ACL is pretty standard, and as for maps: http://drupal.org/project/gmap I have been deploying some drupal for my own (professional) website and am very pleased with all the possibilities. Serge -- Serge van Ginderachter http://www.vanginderachter.be/ Better to be a geek than an idiot. -- Unknown -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
I am not that familiar with the Drupal API [1], but my guess is that it should be possible to write a drupal module that provides an interface to the profile data (e.g. by outputting xml data instead of a page). This would be similar to the way the rss module of drupal provides an RSS interface to the content... Another solution would be to access the drupal database directly and provide a CI model that uses the drupal database... I also think it is rather straightforward to reimplement the views of the map application as drupal modules, but this limits the reusability, off course. regards Wouter [1] http://api.drupal.org/ On Wednesday 27 June 2007 13:58:30 Pierre Buyle wrote: Nice. Do you have any pointers for useful information on - fetching Drupal profiles from the outside (a PHP script not running inside Drupal) - integrating new behavior and content type (the map, but also computer shops information with ACL, etc.) Obviously, this is to get an idea on what could be done to integrate a Drupal driven community site with a custom map application like ours. On 6/27/07, Wouter Horré [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 27 June 2007 12:41:45 Amedee Van Gasse wrote: On Tue, June 26, 2007 23:37, Wouter Horré wrote: As an example, I have set up a proof-of-concept drupal 5.1 installation with a simple custom user profile: http://josua.homelinux.net:8080/drupal/user/register -- mongolito404, king of the mongolian people -- http://wouter.horre.be/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
On Wednesday 27 June 2007 14:44:26 Wouter Horré wrote: I am not that familiar with the Drupal API [1], but my guess is that it should be possible to write a drupal module that provides an interface to the profile data (e.g. by outputting xml data instead of a page). This would be similar to the way the rss module of drupal provides an RSS interface to the content... E.g. a xml-rpc interface to the profile data can be implemented using: http://api.drupal.org/api/5/function/hook_xmlrpc regards Wouter -- http://wouter.horre.be/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
2007/6/27, Wouter Horré [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 27 June 2007 14:44:26 Wouter Horré wrote: I am not that familiar with the Drupal API [1], but my guess is that it should be possible to write a drupal module that provides an interface to the profile data (e.g. by outputting xml data instead of a page). This would be similar to the way the rss module of drupal provides an RSS interface to the content... E.g. a xml-rpc interface to the profile data can be implemented using: http://api.drupal.org/api/5/function/hook_xmlrpc I would be pleased to offer any possible non-coding support to an initiative that integrates the (features of the) current support points map into a drupal module. Recycling this in other locoteams would be really easy, so even an embryonal effort in this direction should catch on almost immediately. Mark -- Mark Van den Borre Noormannenstraat 113 3000 Leuven, België +32 486 961726 -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
For anyone interested, I have finished a clean separation between the PHP back-and-frontend and the Javascript of the current map. The only reason there is still PHP generated Javascript is i18n and site url generation. Beside that, the Javascript code only needs an URL returning supporters as JSON data to map them. I should soon deploy this code on a test environment. I start a new job next week and it's still unclear how much time I will have left to work on the support point map. But if there is any effort on getting an Drupal site on for Ubuntu-be, I would happily help to integrate/port the current (features of) map for it. On 6/27/07, Mark Van den Borre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/6/27, Wouter Horré [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 27 June 2007 14:44:26 Wouter Horré wrote: I am not that familiar with the Drupal API [1], but my guess is that it should be possible to write a drupal module that provides an interface to the profile data (e.g. by outputting xml data instead of a page). This would be similar to the way the rss module of drupal provides an RSS interface to the content... E.g. a xml-rpc interface to the profile data can be implemented using: http://api.drupal.org/api/5/function/hook_xmlrpc I would be pleased to offer any possible non-coding support to an initiative that integrates the (features of the) current support points map into a drupal module. Recycling this in other locoteams would be really easy, so even an embryonal effort in this direction should catch on almost immediately. Mark -- Mark Van den Borre Noormannenstraat 113 3000 Leuven, België +32 486 961726 -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- mongolito404, king of the mongolian people -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Hi all, On Thursday 17 May 2007 12:07:12 Wouter Horré wrote: To give an example: when I helped writing some code for the support-points-map, I had the feeling we were reimplementing functionality that has been implemented a thousand times before... (no offense). We were implementing a profile system while, for instance, Drupal has a profile system that can be easily extended with new fields. As an example, I have set up a proof-of-concept drupal 5.1 installation with a simple custom user profile: http://josua.homelinux.net:8080/drupal/user/register It took me about 15 minutes (drupal installation not counted) and 0 lines of php-code to set this up. just my 2 cents Wouter -- http://wouter.horre.be/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Hi, 2007/5/16, Wesley S. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/5/16, Cedric Janssens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates I think this is more interesting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nl-website/ This is something we need to discuss at a meeting. I propose to have an online meeting sunday 2007/05/27 at 20.00 h. Server: irc.freenode.net, channel #ubuntu-be. Unsure how to enter an irc meeting? Please contact me personally. Please prepare by reading through previous discussion on the subject: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=ubuntumeeting20070329.pdf https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/SystemAdministration Sincerely, Mark -- Mark Van den Borre Noormannenstraat 113 3000 Leuven, België +32 486 961726 -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Hello, Whats the problem with taking the looks from the ubuntu-nl.org website and changing it for the belgium website ? I like the dutch website alot. Dirk Hi all, I would like to give my opinion on the website thing. I will not comment on the drupal vs ubuntu-nl thing directly. I will only give my general opinion on website development. I think developing a website from scratch is not a good idea anymore these days. There are a lot of good content management systems available, so idealy a website should built on such a solid base. To give an example: when I helped writing some code for the support-points-map, I had the feeling we were reimplementing functionality that has been implemented a thousand times before... (no offense). We were implementing a profile system while, for instance, Drupal has a profile system that can be easily extended with new fields. For example: the User Control Center we are developing at ULYSSIS (https://ucc.ulyssis.org/) is completely built using Drupal modules. just my 2 cents Wouter On Wednesday 16 May 2007 12:05:09 Cedric Janssens wrote: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates Regards Cedric -- http://wouter.horre.be/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
2007/5/17, Dirk Tas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, Whats the problem with taking the looks from the ubuntu-nl.org website and changing it for the belgium website ? I like the dutch website alot. Dirk I prefer the official ubuntu site: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ The brown backgroundcolor has a grey shade in it. -- Bart Broeckx Willekensmolenstraat 83/7 3500 Hasselt 0476/66.20.80 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Hi all, As the main map.ubuntu-be.org developper, I totally agree with Wouter even if it's not obvious when looking at my work and the code we produced. My idea as always been that someday, the code to register users and edit their profiles will disappear and that the various models will be used as bridge between the map code and the chosen user management engine. When Ubuntu-be choose a web site engine/framework/whatever with open users registration and customizable profile, I will start to work on this integration. It has always been my goals. On 5/17/07, Wouter Horré [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I would like to give my opinion on the website thing. I will not comment on the drupal vs ubuntu-nl thing directly. I will only give my general opinion on website development. I think developing a website from scratch is not a good idea anymore these days. There are a lot of good content management systems available, so idealy a website should built on such a solid base. To give an example: when I helped writing some code for the support-points-map, I had the feeling we were reimplementing functionality that has been implemented a thousand times before... (no offense). We were implementing a profile system while, for instance, Drupal has a profile system that can be easily extended with new fields. For example: the User Control Center we are developing at ULYSSIS (https://ucc.ulyssis.org/) is completely built using Drupal modules. just my 2 cents Wouter On Wednesday 16 May 2007 12:05:09 Cedric Janssens wrote: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates Regards Cedric -- http://wouter.horre.be/ -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- mongolito404, king of the mongolian people -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
[Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates Regards Cedric -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
2007/5/16, Cedric Janssens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates I think this is more interesting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nl-website/ Let's work together and use (and improve) their system. It's Django powered :) -- Wesley Stessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human Knowledge Belongs To The World - Antitrust (2001) http://wesley.debianbox.be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Hey, I'm a student at the VUB in computer science and i do webdesign as a hobby. I also have experience with drupal, but actually more in Django and python. I would be glad to help Ubuntu-be.org with anything that is needed in this matter. Sincerely, Kevin 2007/5/16, Cedric Janssens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates I think this is more interesting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nl-website/ Let's work together and use (and improve) their system. It's Django powered :) -- Wesley Stessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human Knowledge Belongs To The World - Antitrust (2001) http://wesley.debianbox.be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Hoi, at the moment, the ubuntu-be website use CMS-MS (www.cmsmadesimple.org), there is clearly a need for an update (the lastest update was for Edgy and was a small one). Website engine and content are recurrent topics on this mailing. And the conclusion is always the same, we have hosting, we have will but we don't have anything more concrete. If you think you can do something (new design, new site with new CMS, updated content, etc.), don't be shy, do it and publish put it anywhere. It doesn't have to be big. It doesn't have to be totally awesome. It just have to be. Even the smallest content update is welcome and needed. PS: If you need some hosting for a new Ubuntu-be website project, you contact the current website sysadmin (Benjamin Sion [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ask for it here. On 5/16/07, Kevin Van Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'm a student at the VUB in computer science and i do webdesign as a hobby. I also have experience with drupal, but actually more in Django and python. I would be glad to help Ubuntu-be.org with anything that is needed in this matter. Sincerely, Kevin 2007/5/16, Cedric Janssens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates I think this is more interesting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nl-website/ Let's work together and use (and improve) their system. It's Django powered :) -- Wesley Stessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human Knowledge Belongs To The World - Antitrust (2001) http://wesley.debianbox.be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- mongolito404, king of the mongolian people -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
I checked out that CMS-MS and it looks a bit outdated. I'd really suggest something similar like drupal. A fullfledged django site would be awesome, but takes a lot of time and effort (approaching exams are a little more important at this time). I already have to write a django site for a project . I'll have a go for a nice design though, so i'll ask for some feedback and suggestions. First of all, the color scheme: would this be the default ubuntu.com look? or is kubuntu also allowed? This could maybe serve for a second theme, whatever. If there is anything more, just let me know. Kevin Hoi, at the moment, the ubuntu-be website use CMS-MS (www.cmsmadesimple.org), there is clearly a need for an update (the lastest update was for Edgy and was a small one). Website engine and content are recurrent topics on this mailing. And the conclusion is always the same, we have hosting, we have will but we don't have anything more concrete. If you think you can do something (new design, new site with new CMS, updated content, etc.), don't be shy, do it and publish put it anywhere. It doesn't have to be big. It doesn't have to be totally awesome. It just have to be. Even the smallest content update is welcome and needed. PS: If you need some hosting for a new Ubuntu-be website project, you contact the current website sysadmin (Benjamin Sion [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ask for it here. On 5/16/07, Kevin Van Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'm a student at the VUB in computer science and i do webdesign as a hobby. I also have experience with drupal, but actually more in Django and python. I would be glad to help Ubuntu-be.org with anything that is needed in this matter. Sincerely, Kevin 2007/5/16, Cedric Janssens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dears, Some time ago we've talk about a revamping of the website, eventually changing the CMS. If the choice of drupal is taken, this link could me interesting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates I think this is more interesting: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-nl-website/ Let's work together and use (and improve) their system. It's Django powered :) -- Wesley Stessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human Knowledge Belongs To The World - Antitrust (2001) http://wesley.debianbox.be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- mongolito404, king of the mongolian people -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Op woensdag 16-05-2007 om 23:56 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Wesley S.: Please! Just use the ubuntu-nl system and improve on it! What's the point in creating a NEW django powered website if there already is one that works well! AFAIK (I didn't look at the code), ubuntu-nl is in several places a bit of a hack around existing bits of the previous site and the ubuntu-nl forum? (I really should have a look at that code though... :) ) -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
2007/5/17, Kevin Van Wilder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I see no problems in using the ubuntu.com ro ubuntu-nl.org style. Less work for me, but i'd like to see how maintainable that ubuntu-nl.org site actually is. (admin-wise i mean) It just so happens that I have access to a few parts of the ubuntu-nl website. I am able to edit pages and add pages through a simple Django Admin interface, but I don't know if there are more features that are only reserved for the head admin (Dennis Kaarsemaker). But the website is a good starting point. And the big advantage when using this is that you'll be able to help not only ubuntu-be but also ubuntu-nl. 2007/5/17, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED]: AFAIK (I didn't look at the code), ubuntu-nl is in several places a bit of a hack around existing bits of the previous site and the ubuntu-nl forum? (I really should have a look at that code though... :) ) Well yea, the profile system uses data from the punbb database if I'm not mistaken and punbb itself is patched too because of this, so you could say that there are a few hacks involved, but what's the harm in that if everything works well? Please note that also I haven't looked at the code yet, so I don't know how everything works under the hood, but I have yet to encounter problems with the ubuntu-nl website. -- Wesley Stessens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Human Knowledge Belongs To The World - Antitrust (2001) http://wesley.debianbox.be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Website layout
Op woensdag 16-05-2007 om 21:29 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Kevin Van Wilder: I also have experience with drupal, but actually more in Django and python. I would be glad to help Ubuntu-be.org with anything that is needed in this matter. I'll be glad to help with a site developed using Django (I've been thinking about it before, but didn't know anybody else using Django, and thought it wouldn't be a good idea to create a site that nobody else could help on). I currently also have a Django-based (Feedjack) ubuntu-be planet test-running on my (our) server, but I still need to adapt a new-style Ubuntu template to it. (And request a DNS-record for planet.ubuntu-be.org to point to it.) For Drupal, I won't help, but I can ask some other people to help or give advice... ;) -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com You can find list info and your subscription configuration options at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
