Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
Etienne Saliez schreef op do 19-05-2011 om 11:02 [+0200]: > ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES: > > As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery ! > I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time > nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers. > All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do > not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick. > > I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been > tested about Ubuntu compatibility. > This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the > risk to have to throw away unusable equipments. If I understood correctly, some time "soon" it will be possible for hardware to get an "Ubuntu Friendly" logo without the manufacturer having to pay for it (testing & certification might be done by the community--including local shops, locoteam members, etc.). > ( 3.B ) Commercial services support: > Management of equipment distribution and paid support services. There already are several companies providing this, although maybe it would be nice if some of them would cooperate with us better. And maybe we should cooperate with them better too--we're open to all suggestions in that respect... -- Jan Claeys -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
> > Got some mail from this company a while ago: > > http://www.venditio.nl/offerte-aanvragen/usb-sticks-offerte/usb-stick-budget-star/ > would 2gb be enough? > > hoe duur waren zij? -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
Op donderdag 19 mei 2011 11:55:13 schreef Steven Leeman: > what do you want to test? > it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old > device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or > something... > > in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a > reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on > "shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in > the past ? > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen wrote: > > Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price > > when we order eg 250 sticks? > > That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/... Got some mail from this company a while ago: http://www.venditio.nl/offerte-aanvragen/usb-sticks-offerte/usb-stick-budget-star/ would 2gb be enough? -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
I said: "IMO we'll have people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no stick at all."that is an example of a computer that won't boot any stick.. Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:40:07 +0200 From: ste...@leeman.be To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM, wouter Vandenneucker wrote: honestly I don't think we'll encounter a stick that doesn't work.IMO we'll have people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no stick at all.(You'll have to be damn good finding a usb stick that isn't able to store a boot image) you want to try on a Pentium 133mhz that can't even boot from cdrom? -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM, wouter Vandenneucker < wouterv...@hotmail.com> wrote: > honestly I don't think we'll encounter a stick that doesn't work. > IMO we'll have people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no > stick at all. > (You'll have to be damn good finding a usb stick that isn't able to store a > boot image) > you want to try on a Pentium 133mhz that can't even boot from cdrom? -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
honestly I don't think we'll encounter a stick that doesn't work.IMO we'll have people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no stick at all.(You'll have to be damn good finding a usb stick that isn't able to store a boot image) From: jbongae...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:36:42 +0200 To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message Problem with this compatibility list is that some manufacturers use different suppliers for their electronic components in order to reduce dependency from one supplier. That means you sometimes get two exactly identical models, but from a different batch, that has something exotic inside and all of a sudden it doesn't work. But for our stick (and anything else computer related we sell) we could always offer a money back guarantee, if we feel that this is necessary. Cheers, Jan. On 19 May 2011 13:29, wouter Vandenneucker wrote: @etienne:for a list with ubuntu compatible hardware you can take a look at:http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ It lists a number of shops in belgium that sell hardware (and software) that is compatible with ubuntu. grts Wouter -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- Microsoft programs are like Englishmen. They only speak Microsoft. -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
Problem with this compatibility list is that some manufacturers use different suppliers for their electronic components in order to reduce dependency from one supplier. That means you sometimes get two exactly identical models, but from a different batch, that has something exotic inside and all of a sudden it doesn't work. But for our stick (and anything else computer related we sell) we could always offer a money back guarantee, if we feel that this is necessary. Cheers, Jan. On 19 May 2011 13:29, wouter Vandenneucker wrote: > @etienne: > for a list with ubuntu compatible hardware you can take a look at: > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ > It lists a number of shops in belgium that sell hardware (and software) > that is compatible with ubuntu. > > grts > > > Wouter > > -- > ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be > > -- Microsoft programs are like Englishmen. They only speak Microsoft. -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
@etienne:for a list with ubuntu compatible hardware you can take a look at:http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/It lists a number of shops in belgium that sell hardware (and software) that is compatible with ubuntu. grts Wouter-- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
That's the official version, they might have another version if you know the right people ;-) Remember they stopped accepting special orders (multiple cd's) at shipit (before they completely stopped shipit)? I mailed them, explaining I was a support point and handed out quite a lot of cd's. Got 30 without a problem. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Steven Leeman wrote: > what do you want to test? > it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old > device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or > something... > in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a > reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on > "shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in > the past ? > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen wrote: >> >> Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price >> when we order eg 250 sticks? >> That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/... >> > > -- > ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be > > -- (o_ martijn cielen //\ V_/_ adminestering the world one system at a time -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
> > In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at > hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same > time. > at the HCC events you will probably be able to buy a usb stick for cheap... it takes <1 minute to "copy" it... eg 5-8 euro for a 4gbyte stick is a "regular" price in comparison the ubuntu price for such is >20 euro... > In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded > key becoming their property and being reusable later. > This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the > service of the preparation of the key. > > Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service. > Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to > participate in the investment. > > A little story: some years ago at the end of an open source conference > in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros ! > Germans tend to start very professional...he probably bought a whole duplication unit, special paper & boxes & special color laser printer, special cd's for thermal printing... calculated the time spend... and then the total sum was probably 5 euro... that's when you go for "professional" on your own... if you ask a 3rd party to create the cd/usb you dont' have to invest in the "production" material... only in the item itself...and only a small part will be in the shipping, preparation and time spend... as it's spread on lot's of different projects/orders not just this single endeavour... ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES: > > As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery ! > I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time > nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers. > All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do > not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick. > > I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been > tested about Ubuntu compatibility. > This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the > risk to have to throw away unusable equipments. > > > on most HCC events there is a "testing bank" where you can test your just bought equipment if that 4gb stick isn't really a 1gb stick for instance... -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
what do you want to test? it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or something... in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on "shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in the past ? On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen wrote: > Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price > when we order eg 250 sticks? > That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/... > > -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price when we order eg 250 sticks? That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/... On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Etienne Saliez wrote: > > ( 1 ) UBUNTU USB STICK: > > An excellent idea and the essential message is > === > "Ubuntu is free". "Bring your own USB stick and we will provide a free > copy, the time of drinking a coffee". > === > > In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at > hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same > time. > In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded > key becoming their property and being reusable later. > This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the > service of the preparation of the key. > > Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service. > Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to > participate in the investment. > > A little story: some years ago at the end of an open source conference > in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros ! > > > ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES: > > As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery ! > I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time > nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers. > All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do > not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick. > > I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been > tested about Ubuntu compatibility. > This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the > risk to have to throw away unusable equipments. > > > ( 3 ) LEGAL STATUS ? > --- > I see the need of 2 types of organizations having different roles: > > ( 3.A ) A not for profit association: > A more visible status for the volunteers currently promoting Ubuntu in > Belgium. > If possible on a broader scale, as a participation in an international > non profit association. > Have a look at IVZW or AISBL, e.i. an extension of the Belgian law > providing more flexibility for international associations, the members > do not need to have the Belgian nationality. > Basic requirements are limited to a postal address in Belgium and a > yearly report showing that the activities are indeed non profit. > > ( 3.B ) Commercial services support: > Management of equipment distribution and paid support services. > > > > Etienne Saliez > > > > On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 23:02 +0200, wouter Vandenneucker wrote: >> misschien kan warddr eens kijken hoeveel ze er in china voor vragen. >> (Hij heeft ervaring met massa aankoop uit China) (T is een vak >> appart :p) >> >> >> en ja, de wiki zonder trouble, het is een droom voor iedereen.. >> >> >> __ >> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:58:27 +0200 >> From: ste...@leeman.be >> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com >> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded >> >> ja ik heb ze op de wiki gezet... >> het is niet opportuun om attachments te versturen per mailinglist (max >> size enzo) >> ook worden die niet in het archief opgenomen >> ook kan er makkellijker ingespeeld worden op de wiki (en heb ik weer >> kunnen vechten met "moinmoin"...grunch) >> >> 2011/5/18 wouter Vandenneucker >> die pdf's komen er bij mij precies niet door.. of bedoel je >> die op de wiki? >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011 >> >> >> >> -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify >> settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be > > > > -- > ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be > -- (o_ martijn cielen //\ V_/_ adminestering the world one system at a time -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message
( 1 ) UBUNTU USB STICK: An excellent idea and the essential message is === "Ubuntu is free". "Bring your own USB stick and we will provide a free copy, the time of drinking a coffee". === In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same time. In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded key becoming their property and being reusable later. This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the service of the preparation of the key. Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service. Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to participate in the investment. A little story: some years ago at the end of an open source conference in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros ! ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES: As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery ! I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers. All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick. I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been tested about Ubuntu compatibility. This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the risk to have to throw away unusable equipments. ( 3 ) LEGAL STATUS ? --- I see the need of 2 types of organizations having different roles: ( 3.A ) A not for profit association: A more visible status for the volunteers currently promoting Ubuntu in Belgium. If possible on a broader scale, as a participation in an international non profit association. Have a look at IVZW or AISBL, e.i. an extension of the Belgian law providing more flexibility for international associations, the members do not need to have the Belgian nationality. Basic requirements are limited to a postal address in Belgium and a yearly report showing that the activities are indeed non profit. ( 3.B ) Commercial services support: Management of equipment distribution and paid support services. Etienne Saliez On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 23:02 +0200, wouter Vandenneucker wrote: > misschien kan warddr eens kijken hoeveel ze er in china voor vragen. > (Hij heeft ervaring met massa aankoop uit China) (T is een vak > appart :p) > > > en ja, de wiki zonder trouble, het is een droom voor iedereen.. > > > __ > Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:58:27 +0200 > From: ste...@leeman.be > To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded > > ja ik heb ze op de wiki gezet... > het is niet opportuun om attachments te versturen per mailinglist (max > size enzo) > ook worden die niet in het archief opgenomen > ook kan er makkellijker ingespeeld worden op de wiki (en heb ik weer > kunnen vechten met "moinmoin"...grunch) > > 2011/5/18 wouter Vandenneucker > die pdf's komen er bij mij precies niet door.. of bedoel je > die op de wiki? > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011 > > > > -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify > settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
