Ubuntu installer is broken. It cannot partition a 10TB Ironwolf Red
I posted a request for help over a week ago and have not garnered any interest in my plea. I have been trying everything I can think of to get Ubuntu to partition my brand new disk drive. I have tried the current and previous Ubuntu and also Debian 9. Whether I do guided or manual, I can get the partition set up I want... but it is not accepted. It says there is an offset in partition 2, which is the / partition that will be horribly inefficient, says to delete and recreate it and that will fix everything... except it does not. If I say NO, and try to CONTINUE, it just throws me back to the question. There is no way out. There is something rotten deep in the bowels of the partitioning tools used in everyone's installers. Suggestions on a work around until someone figures out how to fix the problem? -- +---+ | Dale Amon Immortal Data| | CEO Midland International Air and Space Port| | a...@vnl.com "Data Systems for Deep Space and Time" | +---+ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
gpt and mkfs.ext4 seem to be at odds...
I just rcvd a brand new 10TB Ironwolf Red drive; not the first I have set up by a long shot, but there seems to be an issue in getting this one formatted. No matter what I do I end up with messages about misaligned partitions. I tried the 16.04 ubuntu server install first as it required an extra partition set up that I didn't really want, but it complained if one was not there for grub. I tried various combinations in the installer and then gave up on it and tried to finish it manually. I can get acceptable partitions from parted this way: parted -a optimal /dev/sdb (parted) unit s (parted) mkpart primary linux-swap 1114095 39058859 But mkswap complains: mkswap /dev/sdb3 mkswap: warning: /dev/sdb3 is misaligned Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 18.1 GiB (19427713024 bytes) no label, UUID=33b9ea94-c7ea-4db1-b3df-dbaf88595b4d I also have a similar issue with mkfs.ext4. I've checked out various suggestions such as https://rainbow.chard.org/2013/01/30/how-to-align-partitions-for-best-performance-using-parted/ # cat /sys/block/sde/queue/optimal_io_size 33553920 # cat /sys/block/sde/queue/minimum_io_size 4096 # cat /sys/block/sde/alignment_offset 0 # cat /sys/block/sde/queue/physical_block_size 4096 "Add optimal_io_size to alignment_offset and divide the result by physical_block_size" This gives a non-integer result which I presume the author intended should be rounded to integer: (33553920 + 0) / 4096 = 8191.87 => 8192 I have been trying various combinations of Ubuntu systems and work arounds for the last 12 hours and I am no closer to making everything happy than I was when I started. I've also fiddled with cfdisk and gdisk. Is anyone else having this problem? My goal with the install is to: 1) Not activate UEFI 2) have an 80 MB /, a swap and the remainder of the 10TB in /lib0. 3) Have Ubuntu install, gpt, mkswap and mkfs.ext4 all happy. -- +---+ | Dale Amon Immortal Data| | CEO Midland International Air and Space Port| | a...@vnl.com "Data Systems for Deep Space and Time" | +---+ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu 16.04 Secure Boot Policy
I don't particularly like Secure Boot and UEFI, and in fact for development work I prefer having the ability to turn them off. That said, I would almost certainly want to set it up for a spacecraft system. There are reasons for Secure Boot if you are security conscious. It is a way to stop the bad guys'n'gals or at least make life very difficult for them. To every season, there is a purpose. -- +---+ | Dale Amon Immortal Data a...@vnl.com| | CEO Data Systems for Deep Space and Time| +---+ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Fwd: Re: Ubuntu 16.04 Secure Boot Policy
Just a dumb question, since I have not been happy with UEFI let alone secure boot with keys. If you roll your own kernels, do the build scripts let you generate your own keys? Dale Amon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Installation Media and supportability of i386 in 18.04 LTS Re: Ubuntu Desktop on i386
Let's also factor in flavors like Lubuntu that aim to use very minimal resources and that have the ability to run with ~ 300 MB of RAM on an i386 machine. While I understand modern applications are removing i386 support, we have a nice application base for Lubuntu for both LXDE and LXQt that provides a minimal but yet functional desktop environment and we have people to maintain these applications. That is probably a reasonable solution. I don't use these old machines as GP computers and usually have just a command line login and the ability to do a remote xterm. A logger does not need (in fact counter-indicates) a fancy graphic human interface. CLI is what matters. In the case of the i386 VM's, it's a matter of qemu/kvm continuing their support. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Better keyboard shortcuts
I believe it is called the Super key? What a stupid name to begin
with! And Alt is called the Meta key? Equally stupid.
[...]
What on earth were people thinking when they tried to get away from
calling it "windows key" and "alt key"
While nowadays there are only two naming schemes that are still
commonly used (IBM PC-based & Apple), a long time ago many computer
companies had their own keyboard layouts & key names. On many old
keyboards these keys were named the "meta" and "super" keys:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Space-cadet.jpg/800px-Space-cadet.jpg
{META_KEY} was, and probably still is, a term used in a number of
important Unix
based utilities like Emacs and EmacsLisp. The specific binding of
MetaKey depends on the
system, and documentation is meant to be agnostic, thus some have come
to think that
a particular key on the recently/mostly standardized laptop keyboards
and 'Microsoft
Compatible' keyboards is what MetaKey means. Nope. It just happens to be
assigned to
that particular use on those particular keyboards/systems.
Dale Amon
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Re: Kernel issues since -22
That does sound a lot like the existing issues and is disturbing news. But I've lived with it for 4 years so I guess I can deal with it longer. However, the new issues seem different. There are things like coming up to the mate login panel and being unable to log in because something is not set up. A reboot usually fixes it: Jun 20 12:21:25 otv3 lightdm: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jun 20 12:21:25 otv3 lightdm: PAM adding faulty module: pam_kwallet.so Jun 20 12:21:25 otv3 lightdm: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet5.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jun 20 12:21:25 otv3 lightdm: PAM adding faulty module: pam_kwallet5.so Jun 20 12:21:25 otv3 lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "amon" Jun 20 12:21:33 otv3 lightdm: pam_unix(lightdm-greeter:session): session closed for user lightdm On the working -21 I see this during boots; I am wondering if this is the place where -22,23 and 24 fail: [ 20.990720] systemd[1]: friendly-recovery.service: Found ordering cycle on friendly-recovery.service/start [ 20.990725] systemd[1]: friendly-recovery.service: Found dependency on root.mount/start [ 20.990728] systemd[1]: friendly-recovery.service: Found dependency on local-fs-pre.target/start [ 20.990729] systemd[1]: friendly-recovery.service: Found dependency on friendly-recovery.service/start [ 20.990731] systemd[1]: friendly-recovery.service: Breaking ordering cycle by deleting job root.mount/start [ 20.990733] systemd[1]: root.mount: Job root.mount/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with friendly-recovery.service/start [ 20.991194] systemd[1]: Reached target Encrypted Volumes. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Kernel issues since -22
On 2016-06-22 12:43, Dale Amon wrote: Has anyone else reported similar show-stopper issues in recent kernels? If anyone is interested in this issue, I'd be happy to share what little info I can extract via pen and paper of the early boot sequence leading up to the hangs. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Kernel issues since -22
I have not got a whole lot of information because this happens so early in the boot. Basically, no kernel since -22 works on my Lenovo W520. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say it has to do with some race condition in the systemctl set up. Even in -22 I often must boot several times before it succeeds, although the failures in it seem to be different. Has anyone else reported similar show-stopper issues in recent kernels? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 02:05:48PM -0700, Oliver Grawert wrote: > the lightdm you see running uses Mir, not X11. to run X11 apps you need to > use a libertine container that fires up XMir which hooks into the running > Mir displayserver then. I'm not getting anywhere so far. I installed libertine and libertine-scope via apt-get, and the icon appears on the apps desktop, but when I touch the black top hat, I got a brief flash to its screen and then it throws me back to the apps. I did some reading about 'dogfood', ie someone who described living with Unity, and they suggested this was needed: root@ubuntu-phablet:/var/log# initctl --session start libertine-lxc-manager initctl: Unable to connect to session bus: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11 but that implies I am still missing something. Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 05:54:01PM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > Sounds like some more complications... but it looks like I > have things worked out. I just have to pick up a spare USB > hub after work to get the 1TB disk attached to the Aquarius M10. > > As for getting packages properly installed, it looks like this > will work fine and get me the correct packages when run on > the notepad via my ssh connection like this or something similar > (ie I might need another switch parameter): > > apt-get download > dpkg -i --root=/home/dev/ > > I've already got gcc to download on the notepad this way, > but I am not going to install it until I get the big > disk attached. I got a 1TB disk attached and set up my development area there; as it turned out the 1.1GB on the tablet was more than sufficient to allow for a gcc and gnustep install of libraries and includes. I've successfully built my applications natively. All that remains is to beat the issue with the lack of an X for the GUI to attach to. Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
Sounds like some more complications... but it looks like I have things worked out. I just have to pick up a spare USB hub after work to get the 1TB disk attached to the Aquarius M10. As for getting packages properly installed, it looks like this will work fine and get me the correct packages when run on the notepad via my ssh connection like this or something similar (ie I might need another switch parameter): apt-get download dpkg -i --root=/home/dev/ I've already got gcc to download on the notepad this way, but I am not going to install it until I get the big disk attached. Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
New Xeniel kernal causes boot failure on Lenovo W520
I've had to back off to using the old kernel. The latest update brings in a kernal that causes the boot to repeatedly complain that /run/lvm/lvmetad.socket has failed, and after sometime it dumps into the initrd shell. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 02:14:05PM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > However, the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info show armhf packages > as you suggest. Ah, a bit more research. It looks like armhf is armv7 and that is the aarch64. Please correct me if that is wrong. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 01:35:33PM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 08:46:07AM -0700, Oliver Grawert wrote: > > the tablet uses an armhf userspace, not aarch64 > > The /proc/cpuinfo claims it is aarch64. However, the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info show armhf packages as you suggest. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
root@ubuntu-phablet:/etc/apt# cat /proc/cpuinfo Processor : AArch64 Processor rev 3 (aarch64) processor : 0 BogoMIPS: 26.00 Features: fp asimd aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 wp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3 tlsi vfpv4 idiva idivt CPU implementer : 0x41 CPU architecture: 8 CPU variant : 0x0 CPU part: 0xd03 CPU revision: 3 Hardware: MT8163 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Tablet
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 08:46:07AM -0700, Oliver Grawert wrote: > the tablet uses an armhf userspace, not aarch64 The /proc/cpuinfo claims it is aarch64. > in a former mail i posted: > http://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 > which should get you up and running for a development environment... > > for running your X11 applications you will have to create a fresh libertine > container and use libertine-container-manager to install your created deb > packages in it... for this follow the other guide from my former mail: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit?pref=2&pli=1 It is already running lightdm which is the same as what I use on my own development laptop. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 11:04:30AM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > On Mon, May 09, 2016 at 05:16:55PM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > > So I am presuming those folks working on it are building everything > > with a cross compiler. So instead of the one day task I was hoping > > for, I've got to face the whole learning curve for setting up a > > cross compile environment for aarch64. > > It's often possible to do most development and testing by building on a > local architecture, and switch to the target architecture when ready. > This is particularly easy for us because Ubuntu is the same (package > versions, configuration, etc) regardless of architecture. > > Ubuntu's build infrastructure actually builds native for all > architectures rather than using cross compilers, but I suppose you don't > have an aarch64 server handy? > > > Can you point me at a HOWTO used to orient the notepad developers > > to how to set up their cross-platform development environments? > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain#Cross_development_toolchain has some > docs. Basically: "apt-get install gcc-5-aarch64-linux-gnu" and you > should have a working cross compiler. I'm not sure if any other packages > are required for a complete toolchain, but the idea is that everything > you need is already available as packages. Thanks. I also came up with another way to do it. I'm re-using a 1TB laptop drive in an external enclosure which will not become /home/dev as a mount on the Aquarius. I am going to first connect it to my development laptop and download all the appropriate aarch64 debian packages onto it; then I can dpkg -i --root /home/dev/ and install my gcc compiler and debian tools there. That should work, with just a few adjustments to the make files to search /home/dev/usr/include during compile. There is 1.1GB free in the / partition, so there should be plenty of room for the few shared libraries I will need to add. Dale Amon Sr Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
After looking around the Notepad a bit more, I can see where the issues are going to come in with storage. It looks to me that there is no way it can be used as its own development platform. It hasn't got gcc/gobjc/gcc++ installed, let alone the debian packaging tools. So I am presuming those folks working on it are building everything with a cross compiler. So instead of the one day task I was hoping for, I've got to face the whole learning curve for setting up a cross compile environment for aarch64. Can you point me at a HOWTO used to orient the notepad developers to how to set up their cross-platform development environments? Dale Amon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 10:13:28PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > the phones (and tablets) actually use a rolling release model, the system > image gets updated every 6 weeks on a fixed schedule and is still based on > 15.04 (not the LTS) using a separate archive into which important bits get > backported from newer releases. That could cause me problems. I had better stay clear of dselect (my old familiar tool) entirely since it has a tendency to suck in more than an apt-get. I will have to cross my fingers that I can get a full objc, GNUStep and debian package building tools set without getting into trouble. Also, I had not noticed it was based on an older version. That might mean I will need to pull in the GNUstep sources and build my own as there are release critical (for my needs) bugs that have only recently been fixed. Nothing is ever quite as straightforward as one would like with software. Perhaps that is why AI's will never take over the world. They'll need to keep us humans around to reboot them. Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 03:51:37PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > note that this will likely break as soon as you do the next OTA update > and long term you will run out of space on the readonly system > partition ... > > generally it is a very bad idea to make the system writable, either use > a libertine container in the writable space [1] or if you dont want to > use any graphical apps, follow [2] All of which depends on the goal. Mine is to port and get functioning an existing inhouse application as quickly and painlessly as possible. I am not working on general purpose consumer software. I got it purely as a single use dedicated aerospace appliance. Don't get me wrong... it looks like a very nice notepad, but I acquired it as a platform for our existing software because for rapid turn around I need to just do to it what I do to any Linux platform. Before I had no choice except iPad and its walled garden that forces you to use it the way they want you to use it. I will be setting it up to compile and build ARM debian packages for our library and GNUstep front end and I will then install them and whatever else is needed. My intent is to have it up and running for our Monday afternoon electrical systems meeting. Nothing else on the machine matters; we could delete it all if space became an issue. For safety reasons I might even ended up setting it to come up into our program at the end of the start up process. As to updates... the next LTS is years away. I think we will have gone through a lot of these lovely little rectangles by then. > and as robie said, the ubuntu-phone list [3] is far more appropriate for > the phone and tablet installs where you also will find other users that > have experience with these things. Thank you for that extra tidbit. I had contacted the list owner to find out if they covered tablets as well. So the answer is yes. And so I will, as I will probably need advice on other things. Now I must get back to work. I've got subversion installed and I am about to suck in a working set of our toys. Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 04:35:11PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 10:30:52AM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > > And just a question... you are saying phone. This is the new > > Ubuntu Notepad, not a phone. > > Sorry, I didn't notice that. I believe it should work the same as the > phone, but I'm not sure. > > There's also a mailing list on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone that > may be relevant to you, even if the name isn't accurate any more. I'm > not aware of a more specific list for your needs. > > HTH, > > Robie I've succeeded, although one of the items I did was not in the docs I ran across. Once I got the terminal installed and got a sudo bash shell, I found that I had to: mount -o remount,rw / to be able to modify files. With that accomplished, I have been able to do pretty much whatever I want. Probably tomorrow I will port over some of my data display software, compile it under the local gcc (I presume this is an ARM processor) and have a go at live data on the screen. Thanks for the assistance. Ad Astra, Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 04:35:11PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 10:30:52AM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > > And just a question... you are saying phone. This is the new > > Ubuntu Notepad, not a phone. > > Sorry, I didn't notice that. I believe it should work the same as the > phone, but I'm not sure. > > There's also a mailing list on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone that > may be relevant to you, even if the name isn't accurate any more. I'm > not aware of a more specific list for your needs. Thanks. Will go take a look. Dale Amon Sr. Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Notepad
On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 09:14:42AM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 05:58:26PM -0500, Dale Amon wrote: > > Could someone direct me to the information that is necessary to > > access a root shell on the Aquarius? > > See http://askubuntu.com/a/601972/7808 and the other answers there. > After you have ssh (or just the Terminal app if you prefer), sudo just > works (the user password is your unlock PIN). Thanks. I will. > > I need to install packages and compile my own GNUstep application to run > > on it and display data transmitted to it via a UDP stream via a > > GORM or ncurses5 defined data display. > > I suggest that rather rooting your phone and installing packages there, > instead you look into building a click package. Then you can distribute > it to others via the app store if you wish, but also your phone won't > become unmaintainable. Won't be distributable. It's for flight test. I will probably be locking the notepad down in very user unfriendly ways for security and safety reasons. And just a question... you are saying phone. This is the new Ubuntu Notepad, not a phone. Dale Amon Sr Engineer XCOR Aerospace -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Ubuntu Notepad
Could someone direct me to the information that is necessary to access a root shell on the Aquarius? I need to install packages and compile my own GNUstep application to run on it and display data transmitted to it via a UDP stream via a GORM or ncurses5 defined data display. Ad Astra, Dale Amon -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: suggest policy: all GUI apps that display files/folders right-click copies full path
I like the way NeXTstep did it. If you drag an icon from the Workspace Manager to a shell or into Emacs, it 'drops' as the full path name of the item you dragged. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Xeniel Xerus installer issue
Yesterday when I was doing some system testing, I did a fresh install of Beta 1 over top of the previous disk partititions, told it to wipe and reuse, and it came up with a panel saying it could not create partition 5 swap space. The panel could not be dismissed and I could not continue or go back. Later in the day, after testing several other dists, I came back to it and did a manual partition set up instead. The installer worked fine doing it that way. Just a heads up in case no one has seen this behavior before... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Account Management / Shared Secret Generator
Biggest problem you have is the vulnerability to substitution and various forms of phishing attacks. Picking good passwords using pseudo-random number generators is not easy. The target user population will not have a clue about these issues. As the adage goes, a false perception of security is worse than no security at all. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Issues with recent security updates?
On Sunday I did a dselect update to pull in the current security updates for trusty LTS. I rebooted Monday morning and found that my desktop had been massively modified with no warning. * My bottom bar disappeared * Places disappeared from the top bar * Buttons on windows changed such that there was only a delete button * With the bottom bar gone, I lost my usual desktop selector. There may be other things but those are the primary ones. I certainly did not expect any such change in an LTS. Is there any way I can either back out these changes or repair the damage? The unexpected and unwanted UI change is driving me nuts and having significant impacts on my work productivity. Help! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Window Controls on the Right Side
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 01:14:45PM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > Ah yes, the days when much design was done by engineers and managers > who shrugged and communicated in their settings dialogs, "We don't > know how to design software. Why don't you have a go?" And when, as a > result, people were often -- justifiably! -- afraid of breaking their > computer by accidentally changing settings that shouldn't have existed > in the first place. People are willing to pay for the privilege of not > making decisions like those. And this is precisely the reason I have trouble with some of the 'modern' UI's. I *am* an engineer and I'm perfectly willing to let 'granny go suck eggs'. I prefer all of my global config to be in ascii files in /etc that I edit with emacs or else with a tool that simply does what I would have done in emacs but in the UI. The beauty of Unix is that it is (was?) available to be learned. You start at the bottom; everything is in a man page and everything is editable. No corner of the system is hidden or obfuscated. It is one of the things we laugh about with Microsoft products: they are impenetrable even to the expert; most fixes are 'black magic' which even the experts can't explain because they are just incantations discovered at great effort or passed on within high priced courses. Unix frees you. It allows anyone to understand and *control* their world. Some people want systems for the lazy minded. I prefer systems that expose their innards and teach. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Window Controls on the Right Side
All of which is why I am migrating to Mint, step by step. Even on Ubuntu I use Mate and make the changes to make the OS and GUI do my bidding. A OS is a slave. It does what its master tells it to do, whether that be to put buttons on the right or the left. Different people have different tastes. They should command their slave to do things the way they demand, and if it does not, they should get a new silicon servant. When computers get uppity and start deciding how you are going to do things, it is time to put them in their place. This is not intended to be a bias against eventual AI entities who are not the amoeba level intellects of the software we currently deal with. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: future development idea: presentation mode
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:00:48AM +0200, Marek Sterzik wrote: > solution for working. But not so good for presenting. One problem I have run into (at night when I am kicking back for leisure after a long day of engineering) are some annoying effects that are the sort of thing you may be speaking of. If I make a YouTube video full screen in my big display screen, I cannot do any further work because any attempt to type on any other screen causes it to go back to the small size. I've also run into cases where enlarging a screen always goes on top of the primary display, which when working with a laptop is the smaller laptop screen. So there are areas in which things could be better, and these are just as true of regular work flow... for example what if you wanted to watch a training video on SolidWorks on you biggest display while you followed the tutorial on one of your other screens? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: future development idea: presentation mode
Actually you will find the use of 2, 3 and 4 screens very common. Walk through an accounting office. True they are in the windows world, but multi-screens are basic to their work flow. Similarly (also windows), you will find that in the case of many engineering applications, two screens are essential. SolidWorks for example. You did mention developers. I am always moving cursor between screens and have programs in both. Actually I wish I had more screens. Even 4 dual screen desk tops isn't enough for me. Not to suggest that making it easier to do what you suggest is a bad idea... I just wanted to correct any impression that multiple screens is unusual in any way. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu phone feedback
Just out of curiousity, does any one know when it will be available in the US? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Windows type shortcuts to files and folders
On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:25:40PM -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: > This is possible with .desktop files: > > [Desktop Entry] > Name=Foo > Type=Link > URL=file:///path/to/foo I just cd /home/username/Desktop ln -s target linkname and the folder appears on the desktop just fine. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Updater can't update kernel due to disk space
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 09:27:20AM +0200, Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 08:37:38AM -0500, Saqman2060 wrote: > > What does it mean to clear out and old kernel version? > > It means remove the packages that contain old kernel versions by running Personally I just use dselect and purge the old kernel version and associated packages. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Software Center future
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:39:26AM -0700, I.E.G. wrote: > I don't often respond . Personally I ignore the entire GUI update package. I use dselect or apt-get at command line, and if issues arrive I use dpkg --force-whatever's to fix them. The command line is far faster and more powerful for many tasks. The only time GUI works well is if the task is unvarying and just a matter of selecting options. For example, if you need to move a few files around, drag and drop are fine; but if you have to move hundreds or thousands and they are not just a simple selectable block, then you are far better off processing them with RE's and a command line while loop than spending hours doing click, drag, drop, click, drag, drop clickn, dragn, dropn... Perhaps granny can't do that. But then she probably doesn't even know what files are. She needs a different interface than I do, and that is the facts of life. Her interface is going to be useless to me. So if Unity is for Granny, then set up a Granny option for the download and install, and set up a UnixUser option for people who actually use computers. I have had little trouble reconfiguring things to my wishes except at dist update boundaries... the updates tend to be an awesomely awful experiences that do so much damage that it is sometimes weeks if not months before everything is back to the way I need for my day to day work. So long as configuration files are ASCII and in /etc; so long as vt0 - vtn are a Ctl-Alt-Fn keystroke away; so long as I can switch to the Mint Gnome Fork GUI; so long as I can fill my desk top with launchers to automatically connect me to a shell on one of many remote machines, I am relatively at peace. Granny and Computer Professionals are different beasts and ne'r the twain shall meet. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What's the plan for PHP support in LTS releases?
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 05:30:16PM +0100, Oli Warner wrote: > We had a question on Ask Ubuntu that really got me thinking today: > http://askubuntu.com/questions/527533/ > > - PHP 5.3 from 12.04 has already ended its community security support > period > - PHP 5.5 from 14.04 will be dead by mid-2016 > > Basically, PHP version die a lot quicker than our LTS releases... > But PHP upgrades also have backwards incompatibilities so SRUing them > through is haphazard. > > So what's the plan? Is somebody manually backporting fixes? Just a perspective from personal experience: I can remember at least twice when forced PHP upgrades broke web site code of major customers of companies I was working for at the time and cost a great deal of lost sleep. I also remember PHP as a bug farm, but that's off topic. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
Just curious... did not see any response after I sent the screen shot. I've managed work arounds for most of my issues, some are awkward, some slow me down, but I am back to a mostly workable system... especially since I discovered Nemo, a file browser that knows who the boss is (ie *me* ;-) and does what it is told. I am presuming that over the last two installs I had my mate system turned into a gnome 3 one. I didn't ask for that and it was imposed on me... but I see some folks are discussing ways to help users recover after an update squashes their comfortable Home like a Kansas F5 twister going through a trailer park. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 01:59:23PM -0600, Neal McBurnett wrote: > The appropriate way to deal with clear bugs is to report them in launchpad, > along with the necessary details like steps to reproduce, kind of hardware, > etc. Do you have bug numbers for these? It is not clear these are bugs. It seems more likely they are just items for which someone can say: "Just do this" or "Just read this". The only one I think is a probable real bug is the inability of the backdrop panel to handle large numbers of files. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 01:32:48PM -0600, Neal McBurnett wrote: > You would make this easier for yourself and all of us if you start with a few > basic bits of information: > > Which Ubuntu version did you use before the upgrade? Saucy. > What did you upgrade to? Trusty. > How did you do the upgrade? do-release-upgrade > Which desktop did you use? I note you mention "Mate" which I don't know > much about, but which until very recently seems not to even have been in the > official repositories. Did you install it via a PPA? I had Mate before. I am not sure that is what I was left with after the update. I have set the log in to Gnome Classic, which may not be what I want, which really is the Mate desk top. > Did you use tweaks or other UI configuration management > tools that are not officially supported by Ubuntu? Not yet. > If you used features unsupported by Ubuntu, you should ask > the supporters of those repos and tools about how to do a > clean upgrade. Nothing yet, but I'll load in whatever it takes to get it customized back to something I find comfortable and useful for my daily job. As I noted, perhaps the time has come to leave Ubuntu and go to Mate. I am wavering first one way and the other, depending on what features I've managed to get set back to normal or am screwed up by at the instant. The big must fix items: * Critical: lockups on lid closure * Crucial: restore my launchers to the upper tool bar * slideshow screensaver running over ~/Pictures/* The don't like much issues: * Procedure of mouse to top left corner, sweep to far right edge to select desktop is slow. And the images only show one screen. Would prefer getting a lower tool bar desktop selector back. Speed counts when you are over worked. And note that you really do have at least one bug in the backdrop and lock panel. I have thousands of aviation photos in ~/Pictures and it cannot deal with it, only shows perhaps one of ten images for backdrop selection. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
Here's another on my list of issues. xemacs now gives this error on startup. (1) (xim-xlib/warning) Warning: XCreateIC failed. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 11:47:20AM +0100, Colin Law wrote: > In his last post, in a throw away line he asked " Is there some simple > change to make my gnome mate setup work properly again?". Why he did > not point this out at the start, given that most of his problems seem > to be UI related I can only wonder. Perhaps I simply expected the upgrade to, well, upgrade my existing system. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
I've made enough progress to get work done but there are still things I don't like much as well as things that don't work. * I have not yet found which settings panel has the screensaver setup to make it run the slideshow over ~/Pictures. I would swear that this used to be part of the lock panel. * Even though I set my power settings to do nothing when the lid closes, I still had a hard lockup of my laptop when I got home from work on Friday. I had to reboot. * This evening I tried the lock screen and it would not accept my password. I had to restart gdm to get control back. * I have still not found out how to get launchers on the top tool bar. Nor have I found out how to put them in the less convenient Applications menu. For the time being I've got a couple desktop launchers for xterm and xemacs but they often get covered. * The desktop switching is cute and I am limping along with it, but it is not fast. I'm used to looking in the lower corner, seeing where I want to go and just sweeping the mouse down and clicking to get there. The upper right corner thing would be okay if it put your cursor on the current window so you could click and move really quickly. But even then, the miniature desktop views only include one screen and the things I am looking for are often on the other, really big screen that is to my right at home or work. * For most of these things, it would be much, much better to just click on the upper or lower tool bar and get the tool bar customization in a menu; do some click in the Applications to update and also there should be drag and drop into it and to the tool bars. In many ways I find workspace manager technology less friendly than in the old classics like cwm and afterstep. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Upgrade issues
Oh, and when I switch desktops, only one screen changes. These massively decreases the space I have available for windows. Even with the four desktops and two screens I typically have all of them completely filled and the lower tool bar half full and up to over filled. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Upgrade issues
Every time there is an update I steel myself for the inevitable. This time I am seriously considering getting a new disk and going to Mate. But I will give this one shot to see if there is something simple I can do to get my home login working properly again. I note the following problems: * It lost all my settings. * I tried to set my backdrop as it was and could not. The following issues made it impossible to do so: * No file names on the images * No way to specify a file by path name * No way to drag and drop a file to be the backdrop * It skips files in the Pictures directory if there are a lot of them, so even though the file I want is there, I cannot see it in the backdrop manager window and so cannot select it. * I lost all my top tool bar launchers. I had several customized launchers here that would let me get set up for varous work related tasks with a single click. * I tried dragging from menu or Nautilus to the tool bar but that no longer works. * The menu lost most of my added tools, things like Eagle xemacs, aterm, xterm, amarok and others. * I have not yet found out how to replace them. * After much reading I found the off the bottom of the bottom most entry for the Tweaks and got my desktop icons to re-appear. Seems disingenious to make it so unobvious. * When I close the top to travel between work and home, it goes to sleep... and will not come out. I have to reboot, thus losing all my work, which can be upwards of 10 terminals, 20 or more xemacs with multiple files open in each, and much more. Prior to this update, I had only rebooted a few times in the last 6 months. * The workspace manager is gone. I am used to simply clicking on the particular desk top I want in order to switch there. How do I get it back? My preference for moving a window between desktops is to go there and drag it from one to the other. I will probably find another dozen bugs before the day is out. What do I do to fix it? Is there some simple change to make my gnome mate setup work properly again? Or would my time best be used by dumping Ubuntu entirely and going through a one-time misery of a full distribution switch to Mate? Is there a way to simply de-install every vestige of Unity? I really loath it, always have. Now it seems to be even cutting off my work arounds. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: core unix command broken in latest updates
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 02:23:40PM -0700, Robert Park wrote: > dh is debhelper, which is a tool that aids in building debian > packages. As far as I'm aware, it's not something that you'd just run > with no arguments (it has a lot of different subcommands and options > for them). The error message states that debian/control file is > missing. Are you in the right directory? (eg the one with the package > you're trying to work on). > > I can't help but wonder if maybe you meant a different command > entirely, such as df or du. I believe you are correct and that in my barely awake state and pre-caffeinated morning state I typed it instead of df -h to confirm an encrypted disk had been umounted and diskcrypt_stop'ed. And then later I confounded this with debhelper when I did some checking with things I do in some build scripts where I used dh helper stuff and lots of db_ functions which is why I started thinking I could live with it. As I dig deeper it looks like that item is a non-issue. HOWEVER... the *other* issue which also started happening this morning, is still annoying but I have not further info on why I am suddenly getting several popups about internal system errors in the GUI. They apparently sent error reports off but I did not have time to check myself as I had to disconnect and get to the hanger. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: core unix command broken in latest updates
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 02:45:30PM -0400, Marc Deslauriers wrote: > We haven't released any security updates for debhelper. > What exactly were you expecting as the result of the dh command? I used it in some old package scripts. In the interrum I've looked over this and I can live without it. I'll live. Not as much hassle as I thought when I hit in fresh out of bed this morning. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
core unix command broken in latest updates
It just seems strange that something like this could slip past in a set of updates to a package... but the dh command is not working after the last security update I did via dselect. $ dh dh: No compatibility level specified in debian/compat dh: This package will soon FTBFS; time to fix it! dh: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory Someone, somewhere, should be taken out to the woodshed. Other info: Linux 3.11.0-20-generic #35-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 21:32:49 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux Updated this weekend, rebooted last night. I am also getting panels in the GUI world that are thrown up saying there is an internal error and then send a bug report. I have not time to dig... I will be at an aerospace conference the rest of the week. A work around / fix would be appreciated. I am hoping there is just something to be added to debian/compat to make it happy. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Our Networking Story
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:49:02AM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: > network manager stores its system connection info in a text file in .ini > style format in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections Thanks for that pointer... but there is nothing in there about eth0, only the WiFi connections past and present. I was sort of hoping for a control file that would let me command network manager "Don't use eth0 until I come back and allow you to do so again". And yes, I can see all sorts of issues between it and the interfaces file, but if there are going to be two ways to control interfaces, that needs to be sorted eventually. But I'll settle for a good way to reliably switch eth0 back and forth between netmanager and the interfaces files. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 88, Issue 7
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:32:56PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > I never use network manager but just in case it's of use, check > out /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services Oh my. I find buried in there: ~$ cat /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher.service [D-BUS Service] Name=org.freedesktop.nm_dispatcher Exec=/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dispatcher.action User=root And naturally: $ man nm-dispatcher.action No manual entry for nm-dispatcher.action So we have a program performing mission critical actions that is not documented, or if it is, then the documentation is in the bottom file drawer of the cabinet on the left in the third subbasement of the Vogon Galactic office on Alpha Centauri. Now, a very dumb question. Where does network-manager and the GUI program that sets up networks park the system manager critical data they are using? The correct answer should be "In an USASCII text file in /etc. That's the way the Unix world does things. But I am suspecting it isn't. My plea is, if a redesign is being considered, please do it right this time. Everything is visible. Everything is in its correct place. If it is running a critical system it should be documented so that a harried system administrator can log in over a RS232 console gateway at 3am and find the appropriate documentation instantly, and have an errand ether sorted out and working shortly there after. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Our Networking Story
On Sat, Mar 08, 2014 at 09:57:04AM +0530, Soren Hansen wrote: > interfaces as it would have any other statically configured interface, > because that's what /etc/network/interfaces says it should do. > > When it's ifup'ed again, it gets the right address assigned, but the > dhcp client is still running in the background, waiting to screw up your > network config once the lease is about to expire. Yes, and did I ever let out a string of invective the first time this happened to me on a *server* build. It was just beyond the pale that a server would get configured with dhcp and not put things in /etc/network/interfaces where they belonged. After swearing imprecations on the parentage and ancestry of all those who made this change I slowly came down to a grumble and finally agreed with a now deceased friend, Hugh Daniels, about the 'Linux Children' as he so aptly put it. If you are re-thinking things, just don't do this again. Make it go away. Get rid of it. It is a terrible idea. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Our Networking Story
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 09:39:40AM -0500, Bryan Quigley wrote: > > Lots of us only use a GUI as a place to let us keep 40 > > xterm's available... > > Could you detail what process you are exactly using to do this > reliably? Are you using bonds/vlans/bridging? On my current job, I am using a laptop that goes out to run test gear on a remote test stand. I turn off wifi; there is no wire on eth0 and I use a USB dongle for an eth1. I have a simple subnet in RFC 1918 space that I bring up with an ifup on site. I've found over the years that network manager tries really hard to bring up an external connection and it owns eth0 from boot time, but not the USB that I plug in later. As to other configurations, on servers I just remove network manager and everything to do with it because its too high a risk. It is hard to nail down specific scenarios because (up until two years ago) I worked as a gypsy consultant, hopping from one customer to another and fixing things. Mostly though, you set up an interfaces file, work out any of the funky issues... and then it may not change for years. If something goes wrong I might have to remotely go in and reset or tweak something. Hard to get more specific. It all muddles together over the years but I have dealt with most things. Not a lot of bonding, although I did work with a 'big iron' Intel modular server with a modular and programmable block of ethers that gave myself and two other engineers a merry chase until we finally beat it into submission... but that was not a Linux problem per se, although we were running Linux on the modules. Just take this as a general plea to keep things simple and always in ASCII config files so that some poor SOB who has to fix something in the middle of the night over an a possibly intercontinental connection via ssh or IP to RS232 gateway while fiddling with a remote power control unit to power cycle it... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Our Networking Story
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 01:02:33PM +, Robie Basak wrote: > On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 10:44:07PM -0800, Dale Amon wrote: > > I often configure laptops that for security have wifi, bluetooth > > etc all turned off at BIOS level, and the only ethernet connection > > is not to the internet but to a disconnected network that attaches > > to real, live and quite serious equipment (don't think computer > > equipment think *equipment*). I really appreciate it when network > > manager doesn't fight with me over the eth not having any external > > gateway. I get really annoyed if it does that, but with saucy > > network-manager and I have at least a temporary truce. It lets > > me do what I want with eth1 in interfaces and doesn't try to turn > > it off. And yes, in a previous version it did do that... I used > > to have to shut it down or even de-install it. > > So it works, and you have no problem now? This is for the general discussion, an example of mission critical usage of the networking infrastructure that should be taken into consideration as people work through their ideas on where networking control is going. As to your question, yes, until the next release. I always face version upgrades with trepidation. I've still not fully recovered from the upgrade to saucy on my laptop. The list of things that broke is getting shorter, but I only get a few hours free each weekend to even think about it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Our Networking Story
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 11:32:41PM +0100, Stanisław Hodur wrote: > *Wifi + Ethernet on Desktop* Which reminds me of another common use of machines that a typical GUI user won't think of. I often configure laptops that for security have wifi, bluetooth etc all turned off at BIOS level, and the only ethernet connection is not to the internet but to a disconnected network that attaches to real, live and quite serious equipment (don't think computer equipment think *equipment*). I really appreciate it when network manager doesn't fight with me over the eth not having any external gateway. I get really annoyed if it does that, but with saucy network-manager and I have at least a temporary truce. It lets me do what I want with eth1 in interfaces and doesn't try to turn it off. And yes, in a previous version it did do that... I used to have to shut it down or even de-install it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Our Networking Story
The only feature I hold near and dear is that I be able to ssh into a server in a rack 8000 miles away, fiddle with /etc/network/interfaces if needed, and then reliably ifdown/ifup one of god knows how many connections (I often work with machines that have 8 or even more hardware ethers, not to mention ethn:m's. Just a begging note to think of the systems guys who are making bulk changes using scripts that execute scripts on 5, 10, a hundred or a thousand server (I know guys who do that). Lots of us only use a GUI as a place to let us keep 40 xterm's available... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Many, many serious problems with Ubuntu
I have held back from putting in this report for a very long time as my experience reading this list has led me to believe that no one will much care because Granny Would Never Do That and she certainly Would Never Know How to Do That. I have a Thinkpad W520. I have identical second screens, Acer's, at home and at work. The laptop moves back and forth with me and thus makes the transition back and forth twice a day. I use Mate for my work space. I can't stand Unity. Matter of taste and habits. I made my choice and it was to stay with what for me worked far better. In order to use the VGA connector, I have the BIOS set to the Discrete Graphics Mode. When I boot, one of three things happens: * A blue screen of death before even the grub screen appears * A large blinking cursor at the top left of a black screen just after the grub screen selection is made. * A successful boot where the large blinking cursor turns into a small blinking cursor after some interval and then it goes to the encryption password screen and the boot suceeeds from there. In neither of the fault cases does the system print any state info or give me any diagnostics whatever. All of these problems existed with Oneiric and still existing with Raring. That is just one set of problems I include so that one might understand the further miseries. The second issue is that sometimes, on a whim, the screen manager will get confused. One of these cases happens if I connect the VGA connector to the closed laptop and fail to open the lid fast enough. In that case it decides the Acer is screen one and it makes it the primary screen. Opening the laptop at that point does nothing and the situation deteriorates from there. If you log out and back in again the screen manager misassigns things; it will not reset the sizes of either screen and attempts to do so result in a patchwork quilt on the laptop screen. The Acer screen remains dark. You cannot get out. A logout hangs even if you can manage it. If you try F2 to get to VT2, it hangs. Total hang, mouse cursor frozen. You have no choice but to kill the power. Once in this mode you have to find exactly the right sequence of spells to get it to do things right again. Often this means doing a total power down, including pulling the battery and shorting out the input pins to make sure no state is retained. The even worse case is the one that catches me out on a regular basis. I spend nearly as much time in a root virtual terminal as I do in a GUI. This has been my usual modus operandi for more years than most of you have been alive. Ain't gonna change and I nearly always forget that doing so arms a serious time bomb. If, as this evening, I walk of to the kitchen, get a cookie and something to drink, read an article in a magazine... when I come back the machine will have gone into a sleep state. If I were in the GUI, the sleep state would just mean I was in a screen saver. But if you are in the command line... it is death. You cannot get control back. The only choice is: kill the power. And that triggers a very bad situation. When you come back up and log in the GUI is screwed up royally. It has lost the second screen; it is confused about the resolution of either screen, any attempt to fix it causes a lock up... and to add insult to injury, it often has scrambled all the icons on your desktop, thinking it somehow knows better than you as to where you wanted them. It does not ask. It does not let yet say no. It just gives you the big one up the wazoo and says "See what I've done? Ha Ha!" Sometimes I can fix this through multiple cycles of total power down; sometimes I have been able to fix it by logggin in as root with Unity and using the terminal settings there to fix things ONE STEP AT A TIME. Turn off "mirror" if it has set it; save the config. Then fix the resolution for the laptop screen. Save the config. Then set the resolution for the second screen and save it. Then log out as root, and if I am lucky, when I log back in as myself, my screens are correct. With my icons scrambled all over the frigging place, across the boundary between screens even, but at least I can work again. Total elapsed lost time to a typical incident? 1 to 2 hours to recover. I really am seriously annoyed and have been living with this since April 2012. This is not just one bug; I suspect there are quite a few getting tickled here and they are having a jolly good time at my expense. I now await the expected lecture, which I am not interested in, and perhaps, just perhaps, some kind soul who actually gives a damn about folk who have been using Linux for decades and expect certain things out of it. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Source packages appropriate by default?
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 01:56:08PM +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: > Commenting/Uncommenting deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list seems > much simpler/easier. I can deal with that... I always have changes to make to sources.list anyway, so uncommenting a few more items is not an issue. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Source packages appropriate by default?
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 02:20:51AM +0200, Florian Diesch wrote: > Am Mon, 20 May 2013 10:02:41 -0700 > schrieb Benjamin Kerensa : > > > I think in most parts of the world 4MB is trivial overhead for a user. > > Over here in German cheap mobile data tarrifs often get you something > like a few hundered MByte/month. > > In some rural areas it's hard to get better than 64k/s if you don't > want to setup your own radio link. > > 4MB every few days could quite hurt you with that. My flat outside Belfast has 20 meg of bandwidth. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Source packages appropriate by default?
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 03:22:50PM +0100, Robie Basak wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 03:04:20PM +0100, J Fernyhough wrote: > > On 21 May 2013 13:55, Robie Basak wrote: > > > What if we provided a reasonable message if no deb-src lines are > > > defined, with a single simple command to add them and run "apt-get > > > update" for you? > > > > I don't think it would even need that - software-properties (Software > > & Updates) already has the necessary checkbox. All that is needed to > > enable sources is to tick that box. > > Provided that the user knows that the box is there. Otherwise, it risks > making the availability of the source obscure, and this is where I agree > with Scott in that it is against the spirit of free software to make > source availability obscure. > > I'm not going to make a subjective judgement as to what constitutes > obscurity here. I tend to edit sources.list directly, so it's not really > my area. Yep, one of the first things I do is to manually fix whatever has been done to it and add my own files back into sources.list.d. I tend to do all my work with dselect, dpkg or apt-get tools and have my own source and binary repositories. > There's also the server use case to consider. We don't have > the software-properties GUI, which is why I proposed the message on an > "apt-get source" failure due to no sources being defined. > > > > From a technical point of view, does mirroring the deb lines into > > > deb-src lines work in all cases? Would doing so break anything? > > > > This is effectively what Software Sources does under-the-hood. > > Perhaps we could implement enabling the sources easily from the CLI > using the underlying Python library? software-properties-common and > python3-software-properties are seeded on Server. Make it all transparent. Make sure people who do not know about it can discover it and learn. Open source is about liberty in the sense that, unlike Microsoft, the Linux systems are self-teaching down to their deepest levels. It should be really easy for people to get their interest piqued and to follow up on it. That is why I absolutely *hate* non-ascii configuration files. I do virtually all my maintenance in command line via zile. I have even been known to do binary edits on occasion to bypass what some obnoxious people do with binary config data. You are not just coders. You are teachers. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Source packages appropriate by default?
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:02:36PM +0800, Daniel J Blueman wrote: > I propose we either disable source downloading by default at release > time, but I conclude that developers generally don't care about this > extra overhead (as we have a good setup). > > If really we can't see this from a user PoV, I'm happy to start a user > discussion and see how users feel...? Source is an educational tool. Learning command line is a lesson in taking control of your own computer. Kids explore. Make sure J Random's computer is full of things to intrigue and lead a 13 year old to the power of the source. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Source packages appropriate by default?
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:25:50AM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > I'm more surprised that people are more upset about 4MB than the 5% > that is still claimed by the system for the system which adds up to a > lot more than 4MB on some systems which on a even a small 32GB SSD is > what, 1.5GB? In these days of 4TB disks, I build my disks with -m 0.01 or less. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:13:48PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Apr 09, 2013, at 10:40 AM, LD 'Gus' Landis wrote: > > >Personally, I look forward to the day of the return of the 24x80 > >CRT... but know I am in the minority.. for me the GUI is only > >something that gets in the way of me being productive. > > X is the bagel to the lox of Emacs. So, as someone who is right now typing into an XEmacs window and gets mail via mutt and filtered by procmail and edits their /etc/ files rather than blindly accept what some other programmer with a differing philosophy of the right way to do things wants... I am afraid I do not see the humor. As Larry Wall says, "There are many ways to do it." Mine is one of them. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 08:49:41PM +0200, Oliver Grawert wrote: > and why does that limit your future ? do you expect us to rip out > firefox or xterm from the archive ? No, I don't expect you to do anything. I am just sad about all the functionality of X windows that has been left behind. Simple things like being able to click on the screen, go to a menu entry and select an entirely different window manager. Or to get a 'kill' icon that you use to give the kiss of death to a runaway GUI program. Some of the changes that led to gnome I like; some things in X I simply do not understand why they are no long available. Some day I might even have time to figure out how to move up from Oneiric without losing the mission critical functionality I have. More bluntly, I do not want my environment to change; I want new stuff but I do not want my old stuff to break. Ever. Not much chance of that though. I do not think there is *any* distribution, open source or otherwise, that promises long term stability. They all seem to be constantly chasing after the latest pretty bauble. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Aptitude installed by default on 13.10?
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:37:33PM +0200, Waclaw Kusnierczyk wrote: > Where does this conmviction come from? > > On 04/09/2013 02:21 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > >On Ubuntu Desktop we want to discourage usage of command line =) as > >there is no need for that for non-developers. > > > >Regards, > > > >Dmitrijs. Sigh. I can see my future with the use of Ubuntu is limited. My desktop usually consists of a dozen xterm's and a Firefox. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: irqbalance and at daemons by default?
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 12:02:19AM +0800, Daniel J Blueman wrote: > If we have no solid technical reasoning for imposing these daemons by > default, I'll propose we don't. at is part of a standard unix setup and one just simply assumes it is there. It is particularly useful when doing remote admin work if you need to do something which might potentially cause you to lose the connection. You can put in a simple script to revert in 5 minutes as your fall back. This is Unix, not Windows, we are talking about. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Sleep mode on Thinkpad x201
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:43:36AM -0400, Jeff Lane wrote: > On 03/15/2013 08:33 AM, Alexandre Strube wrote: > > From 12.10 to 13.04 updated daily, one bug appears and disappears again > >every couple of updates. The bug is related to the Lenovo X201 entering > >sleep mode. > > > >It's a kind of russian roulette. I never know if the machine will wake > >up again. Most of the time it just stays there. Black screen, no answer > >to capslock or usb, nothing. Just the disk showing activity every now > >and then. Apart from that, the machine is as dead as it can be. > > > >Sometimes, it works for weeks. Sometimes, at the first time it enters > >sleep mode, things go bad. > > > >I don't even know what to look for and to which component I should open > >this bug against. Can anyone point me to somewhere? > > I had the same issue and thought it had cleared up, but apparently > not as I'm seeing exactly the same behaviour. Here's a quantal bug > I filed a while back that has been since marked fix-released: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1074589 > > As it's a suspend/resume issue, file a kernel bug: > > # ubuntu-bug linux > > I saw the issue in Quantal, it was fixed somehow in an SRU and now > appears to be in Quantal again. I've also got Raring installed on > the machine but have not played with it enough to see if this > behaviour reproduces in Raring or not for me. I also have loads of boot issues on my W520. I am using Oneiric though because breaking my working environment in gnome is not an option and not what I get paid for on my day job ;-) * halt from the command line halts but does not power off * The W520 has multiple video modes but only one of them powers up the VGA connector. When using that, boot is a russian roulette. It is not unusual for the kernel to lock up twice before I finally get a boot. A couple times I had to pull the battery to get the BIOS and linus kernel to start playing nice again. * I have on occasion seen the sleep problem. It happens in particular if I walk away from the machine and it is on a vt rather than gnome; but it has on occasion happened in gnome as well. I have gotten into the habit of always shutting down when I travel from the dual screens at home to the dual screens at work because linux gets tied up in its knickers if I do, if it wakes up at all. Things do work better if I am on the factory BIOS graphics setting, which I use when travelling, but as I said, in that mode the VGA port is turned off. Since I have no intention of upgrading from Oneiric at this time, I have not reported these issues. I have just gritted my teeth, sworn the occasional general curse and got on with work. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Suggestions on controlling the automounter
I have thus far not found the /etc/ config file that controls automounting. Tried greps and still no joy. What I want to accomplish is to either blacklist certain UUID's so that it does not interfere with my desires, or even better, if it dealt properly with luks USB devices named in crypttab and fstab. I also find that once it has popped up the window and let you give it the pass word, you cannot then remove the device via the graphic front end (I am using Oneiric on my primary work machine) but have to do it at command line using umount and cryptsetup luksClose. How do other people deal with this? I firmly believe computers should say "Yes, SIR!" when I ask them to do things my way. Can't let those critters get uppity and start telling you how to do things now, can we? ;-) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 08:51:32AM +, Dale Amon wrote: > > Most people probably want to add this line as well: > > > > GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=5 I did so. I finally got it to work with 'nomodeset' in conjunction with some of the others. Now if I can get my libvirt networking functioning on the new server in the next 12 hours before I go to the airport, I am golden. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 04:14:44PM -0800, Mark - Syminet wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Dale Amon wrote: > > […] > > > I had tried the GFX line earlier but had not joy... but I have > > fiddled many things since then, so perhaps I will try it again. > > > > Most people probably want to add this line as well: > > GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=5 > > …in order to workaround bug #872244: > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/872244 Thanks I will add it. I am hoping I can get this working in the next 12 hours so I can leave simpler instructions for the tech I have asked to be my remote button monkey. > Otherwise your machine might randomly hang on reboots (which as we all know, > will probably happen 30 seconds after your plane takes off on a 14 hour > flight). Been there... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 06:18:21PM -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Dale Amon wrote: > > > > # DMA20121218. This is new, suggested to me by Tom H on the ubuntudev list > > #GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text > > If you don't set it "text", the value of "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX" is > that of "GRUB_GFXMODE", which is "auto" by default. > > > > # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) > > #GRUB_TERMINAL=console > > Why don't you uncomment this line? The value of "GRUB_TERMINAL" is > "gfxterm" by default. Note that I have it set to "serial console" up above in the file. I had tried the GFX line earlier but had not joy... but I have fiddled many things since then, so perhaps I will try it again. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
A few typo corrections to avoid confusion: On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 03:13:09PM +, Dale Amon wrote: > that is less trouble free. Time is money. ^ more > Them's the hard facts of life in a fast past world ^ paced -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 01:33:16PM +0100, Soren Hansen wrote: > We'd be happy to explore possible ways Ubuntu Server could stand out. I > can just say that historically the Ubuntu Server community has by far > preferred that Ubuntu Server remain a minimal install. It's been a > while since this discussion has last been active, though. Would you care > to start this discussion on the ubuntu-server mailing list? Servers are usually enabled for access via a serial line so that the system can be accessed remotely during the BIOS boot. It would be useful if the defaults were to make sure that absolutely everything from power start (which is done via remotely cycling the power) through the end of boot shows up on the serial console. Yeah, I know, there are supposed to be all of these fancy new methods of doing things. The problem is, in practice they fail when you need them and the only thing I am aware of that has worked fairly consistantly is the serial line. Next, under no circumstance should a server blindly come up in a mode in which it cannot display to a virtual console. Never. Ever. No Excuse. Next, if a system locks up, it should not ever blank the screen. That may be the only data you have to diagnose a rare problem. Assume that a server is going to connect to an ancient KVM and probably a glass tty that is there because it is so old and crufty (but reliable) that no one wants it any more. This is not a matter of special cases. This is *typical* of corporate backend racks in data centres. You have to assume that the guy doing the install has a fixed scheduled amount of time to do an upgrade. At the end of that time period, things should just work. They should not require research, argument, or philosophy. The guys working in these facilities could care less about such things. It either works or it doesn't. If it causes bother and requires special admin, then unless it provides something unique that is mission critical... it gets pulled and replaced by something that is less trouble free. Time is money. Ubuntu, for a number of years, was very trouble free. The last few years I have been having more and more agony with it, and I find I am not alone in starting to shift back to Debian for a number of things. I am simply stating the facts as seen by someone who spent nearly two decades doing admin on two continents, for systems or critical services in universities, major banks, accounting firms and large corporation via a customer in Manhattan. Them's the hard facts of life in a fast past world where *lots* of money rides on keeping them running. I am very glad to say I am (mostly) out of that world and doing something much more fun and far less stressful... (I work in NewSpace now). -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
Like in medicine, the first rule in Enterprise systems is 'do no harm'. If an upgrade to a working system causes it to come up in a crippled or unusable state without assorted arcane incantations (and btw I used even more arcane ones than you mentioned and they did not work), then something is broken in the distribution. I cannot help on this. I will be 8000 miles from this server by Saturday night. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
Just fyi, this is the grub default set up I am using right now. I did try a number of different settings but they did not seem to make any difference. Perhaps this is because of the stuff being compiled that you noted. This is the grub default settings I typically use: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 GRUB_TIMEOUT=15 GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" max_loop=64 panic=200" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" # DMA20121217 Use these instead if I set up a serial console GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8 max_loop=64 panic=200" GRUB_TERMINAL="serial console" GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --speed=115200 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1" # Uncomment to enable BadRAM filtering, modify to suit your needs # This works with Linux (no patch required) and with any kernel that obtains # the memory map information from GRUB (GNU Mach, kernel of FreeBSD ...) #GRUB_BADRAM="0x01234567,0xfefefefe,0x89abcdef,0xefefefef" # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) #GRUB_TERMINAL=console # DMA20121218. This is new, suggested to me by Tom H on the ubuntudev list #GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text # The resolution used on graphical terminal # note that you can use only modes which your graphic card supports via VBE # you can see them in real GRUB with the command `vbeinfo' #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 # Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true # Uncomment to disable generation of recovery mode menu entries #GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true" # Uncomment to get a beep at grub start #GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1" -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 03:31:47AM -0600, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > Your statement is full of fail and horseshit. So you have worked in data centres on racks belonging to Fortune 500 companies and their contract service providers? Good to hear there are experienced people on board. Which also means there is no excuse. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
For those who do not understand what I mean... if you have a release named 'server' and it is to work in a typical industrial rack, then you must assume: * your console is via a KVM that is probably 5-10 years old. * the rack has anywhere up to 10 other servers in it, some of which might be brand new, others may be 10 years old (If it ain't broke, you don't fix it). * The servers will be running various versions of Ubuntu, Windows, Debian, RedHat, Novell, and god knows what else. * There will rarely be a human being at the machine (going through all the security to get into the facility can be a pain); when there is it means there is either a scheduled maintenance or an emergency. * If it is an emergency, the sysadmin must get into the machine at command line as quickly as possible, find everything where 30 years of Unix experience says it should be, and have things fixed before someone higher up in the company demands your head. You have to develop to work in that environment. If you do not, you are just playing. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Problem with Quantal and a KVM
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 09:11:06AM +0100, Sander Smeenk wrote: > This sounds like one of my major annoyances with Ubuntu (server): the > framebuffered consoles & splashscreens that are TERRIBLY incompatible > with "virtual monitors" other than a physical connected VESA-VGA capable > video display. Be it DRAC, ILOM, iRMC, KVM-switches alike, they all > struggle with the framebuffered videomodes. I agree, just did not want to say it. I get the feeling there are a lot of people working on Linux these days who have never set foot into a data centre. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Problem with Quantal and a KVM
I just installed a new server and put quantal on it to check it out. With the old CRT it came up with the login prompt, but it blinked on and off with a duty cycle of about 4 seconds, and eventually blanked and never came back. All was working though because I could ssh in and do any work I needed. I found this annoying so I took the drastic step of upgrading my reliable 15 year old CRT with a brand new Samsung screen. Now, it goes through the BIOS screens, shows the grub screen... and then total black out forever after. For the hell of it I tried pulling it off the KVM switch because sometimes badly broken systems cannot work through KVM's. Guess what? It works now, shows a stable virtual terminal prompt. So what is the issue? The Ubuntu boot disk has no problems with it. Other machines attached to the KVM have no issues either. Anyone know of a work around? A change in initrd? A change in /etc/default/grub? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The cloud directory name "Ubuntu One" has a space in it....
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:45:17AM -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: > And you really shouldn't compile things within a synchronized directory. > If > you have two different machines of different architectures, the compiled > binaries > being synchronized could cause problems. As Dmitrijs suggested, you > should be > using a source control system for storing source code, like bzr, which > Ubuntu One You should not make assumptions of what is useful to other folks. If all of my machines are the same and I am working on a coding project that I might work with both at home and at work, a common directory is useful, so useful that I have created my own. Of course I would personally not use Ubuntu One at all because I cannot risk putting proprietary data into a machine or machines that are outside of a security perimeter which I control. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Promote puppet to main?
I used to use cfengine extensively, back around 2000-2001. It was useful then and I imagine it is worlds better 13 years on. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Misc problems with quantal
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 09:05:22PM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 18 December 2012 20:18, Dale Amon wrote: > > How and where do I disable multi-arch? > > Depending on which release you are on, use either first or second answer: > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/66875/how-to-disable-multiarch-support The file named in the first method did not exist; however the second method worked nicely. # dpkg -l | grep i386 # dpkg --remove-architecture i386 There were no i386 files to remove. Thank you for the link. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Misc problems with quantal
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 12:53:46AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > On 18 December 2012 00:37, Dale Amon wrote: > > A couple broken items in quantal... > > > > First off, I also have been bit by the dselect > > problem discussed in > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1066847 > > > > I always use dselect unless I am only installing one or two > > packages. I just do not particularly like aptitude, etc. > > > > As noted in the bug report dselect does not work with multi-arch. > > Either write patches to dselect to make it support multi-arch, or > disable multi-arch, or use a different package management tool. > Each of these proposals has advantages & drawbacks. The first one is > universally best, but requires significant technical work. The latter > two, are compromises one way or another. How and where do I disable multi-arch? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Misc problems with quantal
A couple broken items in quantal... First off, I also have been bit by the dselect problem discussed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/1066847 I always use dselect unless I am only installing one or two packages. I just do not particularly like aptitude, etc. Second, I am getting hit with a blinking screen even in virtual terminals on a quantal amd64 server build. Terminal is an ADI ProVista attached to a KVM. Eventually the screen seems to go to sleep and I cannot get it to ever come back. I have modified /etc/default/grub to get # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only) GRUB_TERMINAL=console which I assumed would shut off any graphical silliness, but it seems to have had no affect. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Whole disk encryption
Just did a test drive on Quantal, tried several different types of build. However the one thing I could not figure out was how to get multiple partitions on the encrypted disk. It does not seem to want to allow me to specify the size of the / partition either to allow me to build a separately keyed LUKS partition for other uses or to do so via LVM. Did I miss something in the install menu's? It does not seem like an unusual requirement. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Update manager mandating rebooting
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:09:09PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > That's a subjective point of view, if libssl is vulnerable or the > kernel is vulnerable you need to restart too, not because you can't > restart services or use a rolling Kernel (read KSplice) but because > there are multiple ways to look at it, from my perspective a login and > logout is just as fast as a reboot (because reboot requires less steps > for me since again I'm already in my terminal and my laptop boots at > blazing speeds.) I would much rather reboot than trust a system that > assumes it knows every possible service that could be using a > vulnerable lib reliably and reboot them. It's easier that way. Easy > is good but easy shouldn't be annoying like what you describe happens > with update manager when you update >.> It has long been the way of professional unix servers that they almost never need to be rebooted except for a kernel update, and on 'real' servers you only do that during scheduled maintenance windows. I look forward to the day when someone finds a way to reliably switch into a new kernel so that I never need to reboot a system ever again... except to take it out of service. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
****SPAM(6.8)**** Re: could you add this feature or discuss it at 13.04 Developer Summit?
Spam detection software, running on the system "ba-blue.xisp.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:03:12PM +0200, Nicolas Michel wrote: > I just searched on google with these keywords : "linux how to log network > traffic" and found some really helpfull documentation. Of course it will [...] Content analysis details: (6.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- 4.0 RCVD_IN_XBLRBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus XBL [66.162.154.132 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 1.4 RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT RBL: RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT [66.162.154.132 listed in bb.barracudacentral.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 1.0 DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours before Received: date -0.5 BAYES_05 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 1 to 5% [score: 0.0295] 0.8 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS -0.7 AWLAWL: From: address is in the auto white-list --- Begin Message --- On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:03:12PM +0200, Nicolas Michel wrote: > I just searched on google with these keywords : "linux how to log network > traffic" and found some really helpfull documentation. Of course it will I usually just add a rule to iptables to send a log message to a file in /usr/log/ --- End Message --- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Prevent deletion of file when it is being copied
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 09:51:58PM +0900, Emmet Hikory wrote: > Yes, this is contrived, etc. On the other hand, I suspect many > of us have managed to be both Alice and Bob in a scenario much like > that above when interrupted in the middle by some significant > distraction, or just a sufficient span of time. Not contrived at all. Unix, unlike Windows, is multi-user and concurrent. You must always, always assume that any two actions you can imagine might overlap in time and deal with those concurrency issues. It actually requires people who know what P and V are. ;-) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Network Manager dependencies
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 07:40:58PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > prefer to stay away from it, preference perhaps? But with preference > comes the problem that NM relies on wpasupplicant and a couple of > other wireless tools that we would absolutely never need on a server, > unless we are crazy or there is some one-off sysadmin who has some > crazy ideas. I agree for the most part... although there are appliances that use mobile phone connection as a sysadmin emergency back door to get at servers if the host facility backbone is down. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Network Manager dependencies
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 04:56:40PM -0400, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:24 AM, Tom H wrote: > > IMO, we'll end up sooner or later using NM on X-less boxes by default > > It might be the case eventually, but we're not there yet. I usually de-install it on servers. A server has the interfaces and static IP addresses I tell it has and it should never, ever even consider overriding those settings. NM is okay (usually) for portable luser devices, but not for the rack. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Why are there dependencies that aren't actually dependencies on some packages?
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:07:37AM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > That particular bug is fixed in Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal. > launchpad-integration is obsolete and is one package away from being > removed from the archives. http://pad.lv/999413 Curious... does that mean no top tool bar launchers or not launchers that do complex command lines? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Print Dialog / Improving "Print to file" option
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:38:15PM +0200, Lanoxx wrote: > On 15/08/12 20:27, Javier Jardón wrote: > >On 15 August 2012 23:08, Lanoxx wrote: > >>Hi, > >Hello, > > > >>Then the filename says output.pdf which any sane person will probably want > >>to change. So I have to type the file name and then also add .pdf again and > >>finally I can click "Print". > >FYI, There is a GnomeGoal proposed related to this [1] > > > >[1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/PrintToFile > Thats a great goal, and should definitely be implemented. But still > it does not solve the actual problem which I described. I also > looked here: > http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/modules/printbackends/file/gtkprintbackendfile.c > but I can't find any GtkWidget being created, so I guess thats not it. I agree with the idea of standardizing on a file browser window for selecting the file and adding in the defaults in an editable way. I very often save things to file with names like file1.pdf file2.pdf file2a.pdf file3.pdf and so forth, so memory is useful. It would also be nice if I there was some memory such that if you printed to file the last time, it pops up the next time just as you left it. I do not know about others but 'least surprise' for me is that things are always left as I last used them. It would also be useful to have a 'recently used' capability that just puts you to the file name and printer of one of the last N files you have printed. Useful if you forgot where you put something; or in a large facility, which of multiple printers in several buildings did you send that thing you printed before going out to lunch; also useful if you want to go back and do a print to file of the something under a similar name. Hell, you might even try remembering the source URL as well as the destination printer or file name. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Are UI developers all left handed? (Dale Amon)
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:26:36PM -0600, Vernon Cole wrote: > Then someone in Palo Alto hooked a mouse to a glass teletype, and the world > changed again. > > But the cursor still runs left to right, top to bottom. The Parc group came along long after the days of the Infoton's and Beehives that co-existed with our KSR's (and 026 and 029 punches) on the PDP-10's and the 360/67 at CMU, and in any case the mouse was invented in 1963, it just did not get a good use until the late 70's. We still had a couple of the Parc machines around for game playing as late as 1983 I think. I actually still had my own KSR as late as 1989, but I gave it away before I moved over to Ireland. And yes, the first Glass TTY's were indeed a direct emulation of the ASR/KSR TTY's. TTY => TeleTYpe, ie the ASR/KSR, just another example of how immortal layers of technology are. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Are UI developers all left handed?
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 07:01:47AM +0200, David Klasinc wrote: > >I can tell you the historical reasons. All windowing systems > >began with their coordinate systems with 0,0 in the upper left > >because that is where the scan lines begin. Lines are written > >from left to right, top to bottom. > > Why the top left corner? I believe that even those historical > reasons are there for a, hehe, reason. > > It has nothing to do with the hand movement and in which direction > it is easier to move the mouse. Honestly, moving mouse to the left > or to the right feels pretty much the same to me. We're moving a > relatively small and light mouse, we're not rowing a boat. > > Focus is the key here. We are more focused on the top left corner > because (most of us) read from left to right and from top to bottom. > That is why putting everything in that corner is completely natural > and most ergonomic. The historical reasons have nothing to do with human factors and everything to do with the details of an electron beam scan in a CRT. Beams go left to right, flyback and scan lines go top to bottom on each frame. All the electronics (remember these kind of units were around when a large integrated circuit had an 8 bit shift register and most were TTL 7400 series... I suspect some even predated TTL. Characters were in hardware. There was one character set. The origin was upper left, the origin of the electron beam scan. Now, perhaps someone can dig back into the 1930's or earlier and find a reason for CRT's being left to right and top to bottom, but in the time frames we are talking about it is simply that technology builds on things that work and rarely is it worth the effort to go back and redo decades of engineering from scratch. You will always know that if you write to screen coordinate 0,0, it will be visible. Anything beyond that is an unknown. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Are UI developers all left handed?
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:52:45PM -0400, John Moser wrote: > I hate Unity but I think I'd have trouble making a decent argument, > given the above. Really I just want to know why EVERYTHING except > Windows (which doesn't do anything useful in the first place) puts the > useful stuff in the top left when it's ergonomically and > biomechanically [B-B-B-BUZZWORD C-C-C-COMBO!] easier to move your hand > away and outward from your body. I don't think we can really blame > Canonical for that. I can tell you the historical reasons. All windowing systems began with their coordinate systems with 0,0 in the upper left because that is where the scan lines begin. Lines are written from left to right, top to bottom. It was more difficult to correctly set the position of the upper right corner because there was not always a good way to get that info. And if your key controls were at (XMAX,0) and you got the screen size wrong, you were stuffed. Dale Amon Who once in a time long ago and far away worked on a windowing system for a display graphic terminal output controlled by PDP-11 assembly code. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: kernel headers by default revisit...
This is what Linux thinks (incorrectly) about what the nVidia on the W520 can do: xrandr Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 900, maximum 8192 x 8192 LVDS1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 345mm x 194mm 1600x900 60.0*+ 50.0 1440x900 59.9 1360x768 59.8 60.0 1152x864 60.0 1024x768 60.0 800x60060.3 56.2 640x48059.9 VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: kernel headers by default revisit...
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 07:41:59PM +0200, Christoph Mathys wrote: > I'm not an ubuntu developer, but here's how I see this: > > On 07/16/2012 10:04 AM, Daniel J Blueman wrote: > >IMHO, the installation and updating of linux-headers-generic, > >linux-headers-3.2.0-26, linux-headers-3.2.0-26-generic is unneeded for > >~98% of Ubuntu desktop users. I wonder if this could be the answer to why I get such low resolution out of my linux kernel on my W520, but get the full possible resolution (2560x1600) in a Windows 7 Virtual Machine I run on the same platform? Do you have to use nVidia's own drivers to get the full res? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tor & application-firewall support
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 09:03:19AM -0400, John Moser wrote: > Aside, has anyone considered that actively aiding a sovereign > nation's population in accessing materials restricted from the > general population's view is an active attack on that nation's > procedurally declared national security, and a direct act of war? > Not defending tyranny, just saying: you are committing an act of > war. If we have extradition treaties with these people, it's > perfectly reasonable for you to be arrested and shipped over there; > and if our government refuses to do so, then the logical response in > kind is for them to start bombing our soil. It's good practice for what we'll one day have to do to evade the US police state that the last two administrations have been building up as fast as they can. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Recent OpenSSL update that breaks cloudfront and rubygems.org?
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 02:19:30AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 12:06:12PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > > The recent update to OpenSSL in Precise has rendered cloudfront.com > > unusable (as well as several other hosts which people have noted > > throughout other various bugs -- the one I discovered was > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl/+bug/986147). > > I'm basically despairing about this since every time I touch OpenSSL to > try to fix one set of bugs it appears to break something else (and I > should add that I haven't been getting creative, and very much want > *not* to get creative, I've just been applying fixes from upstream). > Since I'm about to be diving head-first into release chaos, I strongly > encourage anyone who can to try to figure out a fix that doesn't cause > connection to the other sites we just fixed to regress! I'm pretty sure another person I work with filed it, but precise had a recent fairly nasty problem. It was creating a leaving behind a dangling /etc/nologin link for some reason; and chkrootkit was claiming that /sbin/init had 'suckit'. He did another Precise install new and saw the same thing. Really scared the hell out of us for awhile as it was a server that was in use although not critical services. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [rjo...@redhat.com: Re: Suggestions on building VM disks from scratch]
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 09:07:43AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > There is no upstream kernel fix of the ADFS problem > (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42778). I thought Debian had it? > This is a separate issue, which happens because febootstrap is too old > and/or you haven't run 'sudo guestfs-update-appliance'. Thanks. I forgot to run it again after the updates. I did so, it appears to have created successfully and I am now back to the state I was in before the updates: > sparse /KdevArchive1/vmpool1/test.img 11G > run completion bar goes to 50% and stays there forever Test image has been created: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11G Apr 12 13:31 test.img There is nothing showing in /var/tmp. I see that a batch of Precise updates have come in since I did an update a few hours ago, so I'm going to install them and try again. Just to be sure although I doubt they would have anything to do with this. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
