rtl module

[richard]

Hi
 does anyone know if there are any plans to fix the kernel module for
the  Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B

The problem with it is it sends data but ignores all incoming.
I'm guessing that from watching the DHCP frames at boot up.

I've moved over from Mandriva, and that module has been broken since
kernel 2.6.22.
It would be nice to regain a PCI slot, as I only have three and they
are all  occupied.
Also is there a Ubuntu Ham mailing list.
I've given up asking anything on the user list, it's like a school
playground..
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kernel module & python numpy

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Hi I've asked this question before and not had an answer.
The kernel module for this onboard NIC is broken and has been since
kernel version 2.6.22

 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI
Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) Subsystem: ASRock
Incorporation Unknown device 8168 Flags: bus master, fast devsel,
latency 0, IRQ 508 I/O ports at c800 [size=256]
Memory at f7eff000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Expansion ROM at f7ec [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [40] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [48] Vital Product Data
Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+
Queue=0/1 Enable+ Capabilities: [60] Express Endpoint IRQ 0
Capabilities: [84] Vendor Specific Information
Are there any plans to do something about it, or is it one of the
problems that no-one claims ownership of.
The NIC sends data but ignores all incoming data, so it fails on an arp
request.
This is not a sole ubuntu problem, but with only 3 PCI slots on this
machine, its a PIA having to use a slot for a NIC.

Second problem 
python-numpy


I've had to install and compile python-numpy 1.0.4 as the Ubuntu
version 1.1.0 will not allow some packages to run /compile, ie wsjt.
Who is the Ubuntu maintainer for python-numpy ?

However, as I have python-numpy 1.0.4 install every time I run the
package updater it borks on python-numpy.

On the previous distro I used I knew exactly where and which file to
edit so that the package updater would ignore a package and update all
except the select package.

Could some point me at the correct config file.
I suspect I'm going to need to tag more pakages not to be updated or
attempt to update, as there are also problems with the distributed
gfortran, ( single and double precision).


TIA


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Re: kernel module & python numpy

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On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:14:34 +0200
Oliver Grawert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi,
> On Mi, 2008-08-06 at 20:20 +0100, richard wrote:
> > 
> > Hi I've asked this question before and not had an answer.
> > The kernel module for this onboard NIC is broken and has been since
> > kernel version 2.6.22
> > 
> >  Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B
> > PCI
> does adding pci=nomsi to your grub line help (i had a similar prob
> with the RTL8101E whete this setting solved the prob) ?
> 
> ciao
>   oli
> 
Hi Oli
I tried as you suggested, unfortunately it didn't help.

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python-numpy

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Hi All

can you tell me which version python-numpy is being shipped with
intrepid please ?
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loading intrepid from CD

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Hi all
I've tried both the alternate and desktop amd 64 isos and both
get to exactly the same point and the machine reboots
I get kernel alive
kernel really alive
and then it reboots.
I've had a look on the release notes and didn't see any reference to
this behaviour, is it known or should I raise it as a bug

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Grub kernel select probs intrepid

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Hi
Since upgrading to Intrepid I can not select any of the later kernels
2.6.27...ect.

Any attempt to select one results in error 15 no such file

The latest kernel I can load is  Linux version 2.6.24-21-rt, for some
reason the restricted modules for 2.6.26-1-RT  will not download, greyed
out in upgrade manager.

 update-grub
Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ...
found: /boot/grub/menu.lst Searching for splash image ... none found,
skipping ... Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-server
Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic
Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-rt
Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.24-21-rt
Found kernel: /memtest86+.bin
Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done

ideas please ???

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getting rid of gutenprint5.2.0-rc1

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Hi


Any chance of some help with this PLEASE
Since upgrading to Intrepid I cant print from Cadsoft Eagle, my printer
is not even seen by that app, it was when I was running Hardy.
How do I reinstall gutenprint 5.1.0 after uninstalling gutenprint
5.0.2-rc1.
Where can I find gutenprint 5.1.0 apart from the tarball on sourceforge.

I haven't been able to find the repositories wth the files, only the
md5 check sums.

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locales

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Hi All

As g95 has been dropped, and one package I use needs g95 to compile, it
wont compile with gfortran, I'm trying to compile g95.
I'm stuck as it wants make.mo from the locales, I've been down this
path before with MDV having to use make.mo in another language as en-GB
is not supported.
Where can I find the generic english make.mo , which deb contains it

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dissappearing sym link

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Hi all , I've doned the asbestos pants

On an upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 the symlink from /usr/bin/gcc
to /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 is not made.
on a clean install of 8.10 its made.
I verified it as well by reloading 8.04 and upgrading, and then do a
clean install of 8.10.
If I put that on the forums it will never get picked up and if its not 
a funny with this machine, carry to Ubuntu 10.0

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Re: dissappearing sym link

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:28:56 +0100
Henrik Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are you sure that this is the case?
> I have the symlink and I just some 2 weeks ago performed the upgrade.
> 
> 
> thebluepill:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/gcc
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2008-11-04 21:46 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.3
> 
> The timestamp is also fairly reasonable although i guess an update
> could theoretically have fixed it.
> 
> Sorry if this is redundant i just now noticed this and the history was
> lost in this last email.
> 
> Regards,
>   Henrik
> 
> 
Hi Henrik
I'm as sure as I can be, I had problems with an app after upgrading,
hence the reason to regress and try again, the same happened again.
Nuke the lot and a fresh install and the sym link is there.
The regressions to 8.04 were clean installs.
I only found it after running strace on a build that failed.
I didn't file a bug report, its a wacky bug and its priority is likely
to be very low.
As most users are unlikely to compile anything its hardly going to get
noticed, and anyone who regularly builds will spot it quickly.
And as for the troublesome app I was try to build, it still won't.
If anyone takes any notice , please put g95 back in the main distro.
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Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:30:52 +
Ian Lynch  wrote:

Big snip and a merry Christmas to you all.
I've been watching this thread and the one thing that has been missed
and it doesn't matter what the Intelligence of the user is like.

But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro, surely
no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a complete distro can
not fit on a 700Mb CD, therefore there is more to be loaded, and when
it sets up the inet connection it should be obvious that is where the
additional  is coming from.

Had the the person have been given a DVD and told this is a complete
distro, then maybe there might be an excuse for winging about
additional downloads

Maybe a case for having  a DVD release so that those without broadband
can install the complete ish distro, but there will always be a need to 
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Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:51:41 +0200
"Dotan Cohen"  wrote:

> 2008/12/27 richard :
> > But if some one gives you a CD saying this is a complete distro,
> > surely no matter how thicK you are you must realise that a complete
> > distro can not fit on a 700Mb CD, therefore there is more to be
> > loaded, and when it sets up the inet connection it should be
> > obvious that is where the additional  is coming from.
> >
> 
> Apparently your definition of complete differs from the common
> definition.
> 
> In any case, go ask the average joe what the storage capacity of a
> CD-R is. Now ask him what size an average Linux distro might be. Now
> ask him if that Linux distro will likely or likely not fit on that
> disk.
> 
> Ask a non-geek friend, or relative. Because according to Bug #1, that
> is Ubuntu's target audience.
> 
No I think your being far to kind

OK lets take Mr Joe average, if he's considering linux its because he
fed up with Gatesware.

He knows that if he buys a copy of windows 1 CD maybe 2
he knows that if he wants MS Office another CD
He knows that games is another CD/game
everyday apps stuff for the kids etc that's another couple of CDs.

So Mr average knows by default that the bundle of applications with
Linux is more than one CD.


Or are we talking about the bottom end of the human pool of users.
the ones that buy every thing ready loaded from PC *, we it goes wrong
which winders always does, they take it back to the store and their
techguys charge them , what $100

and after they have done that a few times they get told and believe that
they need the next version of winders. that how Gates and stores like
PC* survive. the live of the ignorance of their users.

Mr average user is capable of reading, he/she is reasonably web
literate, their knowledge is a bit greater than their kids. and as 
such there is no excuse for not knowing the size and capacity of a CD.

Look at the ways most linux users were introduced to linux.
By a friend who gave them the install disc , in that case the friend
will assist with install.
By googling around the distro sites, most that find Ubuntu will realise
now that its the only release  that's basically free, gratis.

That may indicate we all have inherited the scrooge gene, the moans
about ISPs charging for additional downloads would indicate some truth
in this.

If you were going to mail shot the population of any country with
install CDs, then you would have to put a download warning on the
packet,
but as the route they chose to get to linux has been then own, they are
obviously capable of reading and don't need warning that the bulk of the
package has to be downloaded from somewhere.
The other proof of the process of selection of Ubuntu users, is it has 3
 syllables, so we are protected from those who can only manage two
ie.
XP, windows vista and there's more,

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Re: Internet-Teenagers and what Ubuntu can do.

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:56:06 +
Scott James Remnant  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 10:07 +, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> 
> > It seems to me that putting computers in shared spaces (e.g. the
> > family living room) encourages users to police themselves, as well
> > as letting everyone spend more time together.
> > 
> And when you go out, your child will still head straight onto the
> Internet to look at porn - just like you did.
> 
> I'll never understand the modern parents attempts to "protect" their
> children from websites in their own bookmarks list.
> 
> Scott
Sorry the reply is OT, but I cant resist adding a foot note to it.

The more you try to stop kids from doing something, the more they want
to do it.

If you really want to stop them from looking at porn, give it to them,
they will soon get bored, there's only so many ways you can look at the
same thing.
Maybe this "nanny " attitude which is prevalent in the UK is the reason
the the UK has one of the highest teenage pregnancy levels in the world.

Please, please do not make Ubuntu into a a censorship tool. I always
believed that Ubuntu and its variants had great educational values

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App clash

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Hi All
this one is going to hack off a lot of users
if Freevo is loaded and you burn either a CD or DVD with MP3 or similar 
media files, you can not as a user unmount or eject the CD or DVD once
its burnt.
You find your CD/DVD stuck in the drive with K3B unable to eject it.
If you try to unmount and eject by right clicking on the desktop icon
you get the message that only freevo can unmount it.
Luckily it lies and root can unmount and eject.
I suspect its going to cause users to hit the reset button and a lot of
swearing.
I upgraded from 8.10, I'm downloading todays snapshot to do a clean
install and see if the same happens.

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OT help required

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Hi Guys
Yes I know its OT but this is where the intelligent gurus live, and its
a bit relevant as G95 was removed from the repositories.

I'm attempting to build G95 for this 64bit machine.
To stop G95 being built in a test mode it requires:-
./configure --with-gcc-dir=

I've tried /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3
as well as /usr/bin/gcc

The Makefile is made OK , but running make gives:-

g95spec.c:47:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory
g95spec.c:48:20: error: system.h: No such file or directory
g95spec.c:49:17: error: gcc.h: No such file or directory
g95spec.c:94: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’
before ‘PARAMS’ g95spec.c:96: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or
‘__attribute__’ before ‘PARAMS’ g95spec.c:102: error: array type has
incomplete element type g95spec.c: In function ‘lookup_option’:
g95spec.c:147: error: ‘NULL’ undeclared (first use in this function)
g95spec.c:147: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
g95spec.c:147: error: for each function it appears in.)
g95spec.c:161: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘strcmp’
g95spec.c: In function ‘append_arg’:
g95spec.c:264: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘xmalloc’
g95spec.c:264: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
g95spec.c:272: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘fatal’
g95spec.c: At top level:
g95spec.c:279: error: expected ‘;’, ‘,’ or ‘)’ before ‘ATTRIBUTE_UNUSED’
g95spec.c:573: warning: no previous prototype for
‘lang_specific_pre_link’ make[1]: *** [g95-g95spec.o] Error 1


Could someone please point me in the right direction, and any chance of
a AMD64 version of G95 back as a choice of fortran compilers, please,
pretty please.

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possible bug ???

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Hi
I've had a large number of files update today and now big problems.

I use Cadsoft Eagle and its been fine on this machine from before 8.04
Now it refuses to start as it cant find libXrender.so.1
OK its a 32 bit app.

Automatic login no longer functions even though its set to.

As I use cadsoft Eagle for work and it wont run in a 64 bit environment
I loaded 8.10 i386 on vitrualbox.

Virtualbox2.2 refuses to start its been reloaded , strangely I cant find
its binary anywhere.

One of the apps I use for Hamradio is crashing when ever it tries to
access its own log file.
Thats running as root and shouldn't be getting access denied.

It was about 110 files that were updated today

I've just tried to reinstall virtualbox 2.2 which says its installed
but the only binary loaded was the vboxwebsrv.

has anyone else seen anything like this.

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What is going on

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In order to try and get Virtualbox up I reloaded 2.6.28-11 server,
reloaded virtualbox, it starts but borks staring the VM

I ran apt-get update, in case I had only had a part update.

and got this:-

apt-get: update
Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Sources
Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/contrib Sources
Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/non-free Sources
Convert: acl 2.2.47-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: alsa-lib 1.0.19-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: arts 1.5.9-3
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: atk1.0 1.24.0-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: at-spi 1.24.1-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: attr 1:2.4.43-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: audiofile 0.2.6-7
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: cairo 1.8.6-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: cdparanoia 3.10.2+debian-5
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: cyrus-sasl2 2.1.22.dfsg1-23
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: db 4.7.25-6
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: dbus 1.2.12-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: directfb 1.2.7-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: e2fsprogs 1.41.3-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: esound 0.2.41-3
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: expat 2.0.1-4
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: fltk1.1 1.1.9-6
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: fontconfig 2.6.0-3
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: freeglut 2.4.0-6.1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: freetype 2.3.9-4
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: fribidi 0.10.9-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: gcc-3.3 1:3.3.6ds1-18
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: gcc-4.3 4.3.3-8
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: gconf 2.26.0-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: giflib 4.1.6-6
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: glib1.2 1.2.10-19
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: glib2.0 2.20.1-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: glibc 2.9-7
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: gnutls26 2.6.5-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: gtk+2.0 2.16.1-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: gtk2-engines 1:2.18.0-1
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: hal 0.5.12~git20090406.46dc48-2
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: isdnutils 1:3.9.20060704-3.6
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.
Convert: jack-audio-connection-kit 0.116.1-4
Error: Binary / source version mismatch, skipping.

And on and on
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so I checked the software sources

ALL the sources are now jaunty i386

This is not a i386 machine and all the sources were amd64 before


Is someone out there having a joke   


This should not happen 3 days before a release.
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Re: What is going on

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:44:17 -0400
Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:

> On Monday 20 April 2009 3:25:20 pm richard wrote:
> > so I checked the software sources
> > 
> > ALL the sources are now jaunty i386
> > 
> > This is not a i386 machine and all the sources were amd64 before
> 
> How do you determine that?  sources.list says nothing about the
> architecture.
> 
I'd have cut N pasted , but you cant on that.
apt-get update should not be pulling down debian sid lists.

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Re: What is going on

[richard]

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:07:23 -0400
Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:

> On Monday 20 April 2009 3:59:46 pm richard wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:44:17 -0400
> > Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Monday 20 April 2009 3:25:20 pm richard wrote:
> > > > so I checked the software sources
> > > > 
> > > > ALL the sources are now jaunty i386
> > > > 
> > > > This is not a i386 machine and all the sources were amd64 before
> > > 
> > > How do you determine that?  sources.list says nothing about the
> > > architecture.
> > > 
> > I'd have cut N pasted , but you cant on that.
> > apt-get update should not be pulling down debian sid lists.
> 
> It wouldn't do that unless you added sid to your sources.list on your
> own.
> 
I definitely did not add sid to the source list, this is why I'm really
pd off over this.

I've checked though all the files in /ect/apt/ and I can find no
reference to sid anywhere.
You may consider me to be totality stupid but there is no way you can
spell ubuntu D e b i an.

Up to the last normal file update, which was a batch of 110 files this
machine was working reasonably well, its not now.
I dont expect pre-release to be 100% stable, but this is far from
stable now.

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Re: What is going on

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:50:24 -0400
Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:

> On Monday 20 April 2009 4:27:42 pm richard wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:07:23 -0400
> > Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:
> > 
> > > On Monday 20 April 2009 3:59:46 pm richard wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:44:17 -0400
> > > > Mackenzie Morgan  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Monday 20 April 2009 3:25:20 pm richard wrote:
> > > > > > so I checked the software sources
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ALL the sources are now jaunty i386
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is not a i386 machine and all the sources were amd64
> > > > > > before
> > > > > 
> > > > > How do you determine that?  sources.list says nothing about
> > > > > the architecture.
> > > > > 
> > > > I'd have cut N pasted , but you cant on that.
> > > > apt-get update should not be pulling down debian sid lists.
> > > 
> > > It wouldn't do that unless you added sid to your sources.list on
> > > your own.
> > > 
> > I definitely did not add sid to the source list, this is why I'm
> > really pd off over this.
> > 
> > I've checked though all the files in /ect/apt/ and I can find no
> > reference to sid anywhere.
> 
> Did you grep or recursive grep? What about the files in 
> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
> 
I manually went through each of them line by line

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Re: What is going on

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On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:04:10 -0300
Derek Broughton  wrote:

> richard wrote:
> 
> > 
> > In order to try and get Virtualbox up I reloaded 2.6.28-11 server,
> > reloaded virtualbox, it starts but borks staring the VM
> > 
> > I ran apt-get update, in case I had only had a part update.
> > 
> > and got this:-
> > 
> > apt-get: update
> > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Sources
> > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/contrib Sources
> > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/non-free Sources
> 
> Why do you think that it's OK to use Debian (sid, no less) sources
> with Ubuntu?  And then, why would you think we could fix it.  Debian
> & Ubuntu are _largely_ compatible, but if mixing them breaks things,
> I'm afraid you're on your own.



I think there are some developers that need to install language packs
in their brains.

Please tell me what part of I did not add Debian Sid sources do you not
understand.
I did not what them , I did not add them.
This occured after an update of about 100 files.
I just spending most of the night reloading everything , including
putting Mandriva on a partition because Cadsoft eagle no longer runs or
loads on 9.04.
Something is stopping it from creating a /tmp file to install from.

There really need to be a language test for developers, I realise that
English is not a native tongue to all, but in that the northern end
of that large continent that sits between the Atlantic and Pacific
oceans, there is absolutely no excuse for not being able to read
English.


ONCE MORE FOR THOSE THAT CANT READ

I DID NOT ADD DEBIAN SID TO THE APT LISTS, IT OCCURRED AFTER AN UPDATE

And furthermore the reason I flagged it, apart from being pissed off
with the hassle, was if that came off one of the mirrors and your
running something like rsync it would spread very quickly and cause
chaos just before the release.


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Re: What is going on

[richard]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:22:49 +1000
William Grant  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 05:08 +0100, richard wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:04:10 -0300
> > Derek Broughton  wrote:
> > 
> > > richard wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In order to try and get Virtualbox up I reloaded 2.6.28-11
> > > > server, reloaded virtualbox, it starts but borks staring the VM
> > > > 
> > > > I ran apt-get update, in case I had only had a part update.
> > > > 
> > > > and got this:-
> > > > 
> > > > apt-get: update
> > > > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Sources
> > > > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/contrib Sources
> > > > Get: http://ftp.debian.org sid/non-free Sources
> > > 
> > > Why do you think that it's OK to use Debian (sid, no less) sources
> > > with Ubuntu?  And then, why would you think we could fix it.
> > > Debian & Ubuntu are _largely_ compatible, but if mixing them
> > > breaks things, I'm afraid you're on your own.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I think there are some developers that need to install language
> > packs in their brains.
> 
> You are required to obey the CoC here. I somehow doubt that is
> acceptable.
> 
> > ONCE MORE FOR THOSE THAT CANT READ
> > 
> > I DID NOT ADD DEBIAN SID TO THE APT LISTS, IT OCCURRED AFTER AN
> > UPDATE
> 
> apt doesn't divine your sources - they are specified somewhere.
> 
> Open a clean terminal. Run 'apt-get update'. Give us the output.
> Preferably give us sources.list and the contents of sources.list.d.
> 
> You mentioned that the architecture had magically changed - that's
> impossible. You also wouldn't see the architecture in the place that
> you mentioned.
> 
> I am very confused. I can see why others thought as they did. Are you
> sure you weren't SSHed into another machine?
> 
> 
Hi

Hopefully all the evidence , and problem has been destroyed by the
completely fresh install last night.

AT least if the mirrors are sync'd off of ubuntu.com there's not much
chance of it propagating. Unlike some distros, Mandriva for instance
where there are several primary mirrors and everything sync'd off them.

The only files loaded apart from the update were
g95 64bit deb from g95.org

The trunk and branches of wsjt on berlios.de

and virtualbox2.2 off the vbox site. and loaded ubuntu8.10 i386.
That was to help a newbie build xlog-2.0

I use a lot of the fortran & python libs, but they have been on this
machine for a while and stable

The mirror I used was ubuntu.virginmedia.com, only because I can get
10MB download.

If I opened "software sources" and looked at the 3rd party section,
all the sources had been replaced by ubuntu i386 sources, the normal
ones had all gone. There were about 10 or more had been added.
I manually checked every file in /ect/apt looking for the debian
entries and could find nothing.


I cant be more careful when downloading especially updates as the
amount of dependencies on a few packages usually mean large
quantities of downloads.



The only other place it may have come from may have been a trojan on
the wsjt trunk and branches from berlios.de.
But thats very unlikely as that is used by developers using various
distros.
Putting it there would only effect debian and ubuntu users.



Its more likely to have been in that last update.
100 files + a few days before release is not logical. Four days before
and it should only be minor updates.

If you really want to get paranoid you could also consider that someone
maybe deliberately trying to nobble 9.04 on release.

Some may consider I breached the code of conduct on the list, maybe so,
but it works both ways.

I should at least be granted the curiosity of have what I wrote read
and not being accused of adding the sources myself.
And it wasn't by just one person either.


I would suggest that someone checks the repositories , especially the
UK ones.

I was'nt SSH'd into another machine, I've dropped down to just one here
and at work the boss is frightened of linux, so the nothing there.

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dynamic executables ?

[richard]

This is definitely new behaviour:

richar...@richard-g8jvm:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ ls -la
total 13048
drwxr-xr-x  2 richard-1 users 4096 2009-04-14 04:05 .
drwxr-xr-x 10 richard-1 users 4096 2009-04-14 04:05 ..
-rwxrwxr-x  1 richard-1 users 11473300 2009-04-14 04:05 eagle
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users41639 2008-07-01 04:01 eagle.def
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users   717572 2009-04-14 04:05 eagle_de.htm
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users   310429 2009-04-14 04:05 eagle_de.qm
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users   645458 2009-04-14 04:05 eagle_en.htm
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users  718 2008-04-21 04:00 eagleicon16.png
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users 2924 2008-04-21 04:00 eagleicon50.png
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users 4110 2008-04-21 04:00 freeware.key
-rw-r--r--  1 richard-1 users 1768 2008-04-21 04:00

richar...@richard-g8jvm:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ ./eagle bash: ./eagle: No
such file or directory

richar...@richard-g8jvm:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ ldd ./eagle
not a dynamic executable

Whats changed ?
Shouldn't that have listed the shared libs used
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Re: dynamic executables ?

[richard]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:57:36 +0100
Alan Pope  wrote:

> 2009/4/22 Vincenzo Ciancia :
> > Il giorno mer, 22/04/2009 alle 15.19 +0100, richard ha scritto:
> >>
> >> richar...@richard-g8jvm:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ ldd ./eagle
> >>         not a dynamic executable
> >>
> >
> > The output from "file eagle"?
> >
> 
> Assuming it's eagle the circuit board design software, then "eagle" is
> not an executable but a shell script.
> 
> a...@hactar:/usr/bin$ file eagle
> eagle: POSIX shell script text executable
> 
> Which then calls /usr/lib/eagle/bin/eagle
> 
> a...@hactar:~$ file /usr/lib/eagle/bin/eagle
> /usr/lib/eagle/bin/eagle: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386,
> version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux
> 2.2.5, stripped
> 
> - that's on a 32-bit Ubuntu Jaunty system with Eagle installed from
> the default repo. I assume from the version number that Richard has an
> upstream version he's unpacked in his home folder.
> 
> Doesn't look like it's installed correctly to me.
> 
> The "No such file or directory" is probably eagle shell script not
> able to find /usr/lib/eagle/bin/eagle.
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 
That makes sense Al.
To get Eagle to install, I've had to strip the installer file down to
the tar.bz2 file .
Eagle used to install without any problem on 8.10, and no problems with
32 bit compatibility. The version thats packaged as a deb is ancient,
4.16. There are major changes to it , current version is 5.5.0

You cant load any schematics or board files written on V5 on earlier
versions.
The problem during install is it fails to create an install directory
in /tmp
The only way I can use it is to install another distro on another
partition , I could have put 8.10 on it, but it requires having two
NICs on this machine as one of the realtek kernels modules was broken,
and was only fixed recently. A case of load 8.10 upgrade the kernel and
swap the NICs


the file in /eagle-5.5.0/bin is definitely a binary file:- 

vi /eagle-5.5.0/bin/eagle produced this

^?elf^a^a...@^@^...@^@^...@^@^...@^@^...@^b^@^...@^a^@^...@^@
^x^e^...@^@^...@^l^m¯^@^...@^@^...@^@4^@ ^@
^@(^...@^]^@^...@^f^@^...@^@4...@^@^...@4<80>^D^H4<80>^D^H ^...@^@
^...@^@^...@^@^...@^d^@^...@^@^...@^@^...@t^a^@^...@t<81>^D^HT<81>^D^H^S^

I've also seen problems with WSJT/WSPR thats an evil thing to compile.
On 8.10 the LOGQSO and ADD buttons functioned, since running it on 9.04
using either button on the gui causes it to crash.
Running strace on it doesn't yield much apart from permissions.
There is a version of wsjt on the repo v 5.9.7 r383. It doesn't have
WSPR built in

Now this being a clean install again, as there's no rescue function on
the install to reload grub.( I update MDV 2009 on the other partition
and it overwrote the ubuntu partition table.)

If no one believes this , download the version of wsjt in hamapps on
the repo, and use either the LOG QSO or ADD button.
That was stable in 8.10 on a amd64, its not on 9.04 I've now loaded
9.04 3 times due to MDV screwing the partition tables when it updates.
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Re: dynamic executables ?

[richard]

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:02:37 +1200
Tim Frost  wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 15:57 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> > 2009/4/22 Vincenzo Ciancia :
> > > Il giorno mer, 22/04/2009 alle 15.19 +0100, richard ha scritto:
> > >>
> > >> richar...@richard-g8jvm:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ ldd ./eagle
> > >> not a dynamic executable
> > >>
> > >
> > > The output from "file eagle"?
> > >
> > 
> > Assuming it's eagle the circuit board design software, then "eagle"
> > is not an executable but a shell script.
> > 
> > a...@hactar:/usr/bin$ file eagle
> > eagle: POSIX shell script text executable
> > 
> > Which then calls /usr/lib/eagle/bin/eagle
> 
> And applies to the default version.
> Richard has installed eagle 5.5 in his home directory.
> 
> Having downloaded the linux installer for version 5.5, and run it (on
> 64-bit ubuntu jaunty x86_64), I have 
> t...@zaphod:~$ ls -l eagle-5.5.0/bin
> total 13044
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 tim tim 11473300 2009-04-14 15:05 eagle
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim41639 2008-07-01 15:01 eagle.def
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim   717572 2009-04-14 15:05 eagle_de.htm
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim   310429 2009-04-14 15:05 eagle_de.qm
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim   645458 2009-04-14 15:05 eagle_en.htm
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim  718 2008-04-21 15:00 eagleicon16.png
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 2924 2008-04-21 15:00 eagleicon50.png
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 1946 2009-04-23 18:36 eagle.key
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 4110 2008-04-21 15:00 freeware.key
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 1768 2008-04-21 15:00 platforms-lin.png
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 1907 2008-04-21 15:00 platforms-mac.png
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim 2019 2008-04-21 15:00 platforms-win.png
> -rw-r--r-- 1 tim tim88118 2009-04-14 15:05 qt_de.qm
> t...@zaphod:~$ file eagle-5.5.0/bin/eagle
> eagle-5.5.0/bin/eagle: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386,
> version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for
> GNU/Linux 2.6.4, stripped
> t...@zaphod:~$ cd eagle-5.5.0/bin
> t...@zaphod:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ file *
> eagle: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
> (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.4,
> stripped
> eagle.def: ASCII English text
> eagle_de.htm:  HTML document text
> eagle_de.qm:   data
> eagle_en.htm:  HTML document text
> eagleicon16.png:   PNG image, 16 x 16, 8-bit/color RGBA,
> non-interlaced eagleicon50.png:   PNG image, 48 x 48, 8-bit/color
> RGBA, non-interlaced eagle.key: data
> freeware.key:  ASCII English text
> platforms-lin.png: PNG image, 39 x 39, 8-bit/color RGBA,
> non-interlaced platforms-mac.png: PNG image, 39 x 39, 8-bit/color
> RGBA, non-interlaced platforms-win.png: PNG image, 39 x 39,
> 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced qt_de.qm:  data
> 
> 
> Which looks fine.
> 
> Richard,
> what platform are you running ubuntu on (and which ubuntu release)?
> which installer did you use (based on the contents of~/eagle-5.5.0/bin
> as reported, I assume that you used the linux installer)?  In most
> cases,the assumption is that 
>   linux == 32-bit intel platform
> 
> while there are distributions that support PPC and other platforms.
> 
> 
> > Cheers,
> > Al.
> > 
> 
> 
> Tim
> 
Hi Tim
The machine details are on the footer.


Its an AMD64 dual athlon processor so I loaded the amd64 version of
ubuntu 9.04 rc
I've found that with all of the installs of Eagle v 5.0 to 5.5 it will
install in /opt.

When I initially upgraded to 9.04 from 8.10 eagle was running fine , no
problems.
Since the last few updates eagle stopped functioning.
The installer now fails at the point of creating the temp file to
unpack the tar ball in the installer.
hence the reason and on advice of Cadsoft Eagle to strip the first part
of the installer out and just leave the tar ball which will install
into~/eagle-5.5.0.
It installs the whole package in that directory so there are no calls
to external libs, which will give problems.
Last night I installed 8.10  giving up on 9.04 at the moment,only to
find that the same happens in 8.10.
So somewhere between 8.04 and now eagle was happy running on existing
libs.
these would have been flushed with the install of 9.04.

There have been multiple installs over these last few days of 9.04.
As well as Mandriva2009 86_64 on another partition which eagle runs OK
in.
Also uninstalling eagle and running from the tar ball works on MDv as
well as Open suse 11.the later running on a VM.
Eagle of course runs happily in a 8.10 i386 VM, but Vitualbox wont
handle the USB connections through it.
It should but without the use of a printer I'm stuck

I'm stuck in the position that I'm u

Audacity on Mint XFCE 19.3 - bug

[Richard]

Hello,

Audacity doesn't load on the above OS. Not sure how to post a bug report.


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Cubicsdr

[Richard]

Good day

I hope this is the correct way to find out, the current CubicSDR in the 
repository is version 0.2.5 but I think that Ubuntu Mate 22.04 requires 
the 0.2.7 version, how can I install the new version. Many thanks


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Hardy Alpha-2 notes

[Richard Mancusi]

I had a successful Alpha-1 installation.  Then did a clean install
of Alpha-2 and ran into a few problems not encountered with
Alpha-1.  It probably makes the most sense to simply wait for
Alpha-3 next week and do a clean install.  Just in case there
is some value - I will mention a couple of the problems that I
don't find in the online bug listings.  I will let you know if the
problems persist with Alpha-3.  I suspect that these are not
real reportable bugs but rather localized - we shall see.

Computer is and old Thinkpad T41 used for backup and testing.

1. Evening backup to the T41 - data files are deleted in Nautilus
   then new data is pushed to it via ssh from a Ubuntu 7.04
   computer.  Data is approximately 10,000 files, 1.5GB.  All
   seems to work fine but approx 2 minutes after completion the
   following error appears:

Application problem
Sorry, the program "identify" closed unexpectedly

2. Initial install of Alpha-2 went fine except it didn't create a
   resolv.conf file.  System/Administration/Network gui did
   not work.  It opens, accepts data but does not seem to
   communicate/update your requests to the O.S.  Problem
   solved by manually creating the resolv.conf file.

3. Another example of where the gui doesn't communicate
   with the O.S.  System/Administration/Login Window/Security

   I have one application (non-opensource) that will not install
   with sudo.  You must logon as administrator.  I checked the
   box to "Allow local system administrator login"  And via
   System/Administration/Users and Groups set a password,
   and even checked all the boxes in User Privileges.  However
   GDM will not allow the logon.  Also note that the boxes I
   checked in User Privileges are unchecked if you look again.
   Display problem or real? - I don't know.

   Note: Although this application will not install even with su -
   I tried simply entering in a terminal su - with the correct
   password and the reply is "su: Authentication failure"
   sudo does work as expected.

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Re: Hardy Alpha-2 notes

[Richard Mancusi]

On Jan 6, 2008 4:38 PM, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 05 January 2008 06:18:08 Richard Mancusi wrote:
> >I have one application (non-opensource) that will not install
> >with sudo.  You must logon as administrator.  I checked the
> >box to "Allow local system administrator login"  And via
> >System/Administration/Users and Groups set a password,
> >and even checked all the boxes in User Privileges.  However
> >GDM will not allow the logon.  Also note that the boxes I
> >checked in User Privileges are unchecked if you look again.
> >Display problem or real? - I don't know.g:
>
> edit gdm.conf, and allow root:
> sudo nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
>
> [security]
> # Allow root to login.  It makes sense to turn this off for kiosk use, when
> # you want to minimize the possibility of break in.
> AllowRoot=true
>
Thank you for this workaround

>
> >
> >Note: Although this application will not install even with su -
> >I tried simply entering in a terminal su - with the correct
> >password and the reply is "su: Authentication failure"
> >sudo does work as expected.
>
> Are you sure you used the root password and not the admin user? you can make 
> sure by choosing a new pass for root, by doing
> #sudo passwd
>
This is merely a test system - so I made life easy on myself and the
password for the single user, administrator, and root are all the same.
Therefore I think it's safe to say I entered it correctly.  It appears that
something went wrong with the installation and we should assume that
it is on my end.  Most of my problems seem to be associated with a gui
not talking to the config files.  Yes I can simply edit those files directly
but I would rather test the gui.

Doesn't make much sense to re-install Alpha-2 when Alpha-3 is near.
I look forward to that test.

tnx
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Hardy Alpha-3 language selection

[Richard Mancusi]

Desktop 386 installation:

I selected U.S. English during the installation however the
result was not that.  I noticed a different sort order in Nautilus
and JPilot week started on Monday rather then Sunday.

Re-logon with a language selection of English (USA) (American
English) created a message that said I was changing from the
"System Default".  I agreed to make the change and Nautilus
and JPilot are now correct.

Anyone else see this problem - can it be verified as a bug?

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Hardy Alpha-3 networking

[Richard Mancusi]

Desktop i386 install

Is the following a bug or can anyone change network
settings via System/Administration/Network
And can you verify it really changed by looking in the
appropriate file.

Install took a DHCP address.  When completed I tried
to change the settings to a static with different DNS,
etc.  The box came up stating "Changing Interface
Configuration" and the status bar went back and forth
for 10 min before I killed it.

In order to properly config my network connection it
was necessary to edit:
/etc/network/interface
/etc/resolv.conf
/etc/hosts

Notes:
1. This is the same problem I had with Alpha-2.
2. Same results installing on 3 different computers at
two locations 20 miles apart.

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Re: Hardy Alpha-3 networking

[Richard Mancusi]

On Jan 14, 2008 11:14 AM, Brian Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 11:45:22PM -0600, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> > Desktop i386 install
> >
> > Is the following a bug or can anyone change network
> > settings via System/Administration/Network
> > And can you verify it really changed by looking in the
> > appropriate file.
>
> You should have to authenticate before modifying the network
> configuration.  On my Hardy systems and a daily build of the Live CD,
> there is an "Unlock" button and selections remain greyed out until I
> unlock the application.  If your system is fully up to date and the
> "Unlock" button is not there then you should submit a bug report.  Your
> issues regarding changing the network configuration are probably a
> direct result of your not being authenticated.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Brian Murray @ubuntu.com
>

The "Unlock" button is there and works exactly as you state ... all
greyed out until my password is accepted.  However, I still get the same
results.  Any change sends the gui into a status bar loop - back and
forth never stopping.  I killed it.

I was curious to see if the "Unlock" button was actually doing anything
so open it back up and fed it the wrong password.  It was refused.
Opened the "Details" tab hoping to find an error but it only states:
Application: /usr/bin/network-admin
Action: org.freedesktop.systemtoolsbackends.set

My system was up to date, but there were more updates tonight.
The following occurred:

Could not install 'libflickrnet2.1.5-cil'
Could not install the upgrades.  The upgrade aborts now.  Your system
could be in an unusable state.  A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a)

Re-running "Update Manager" showed the following 5 updates remaining.
evolution, evolution-common, evolution-plugins, gdb, libglib2.0-0

I tried "Network Settings" again - same problems, nothing changed.

Since you are not experiencing this problem it implies that there is
something different between our systems.  Either you are benefiting from
residual, non-clean install data or I am missing something.  Is it
possible for me to get a download of exactly what you are using?  I
would be happy to test it with a clean installation.

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Re: Hardy Alpha-3 networking

[Richard Mancusi]

On Jan 15, 2008 6:43 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> > On Monday 14 January 2008 17:14:29 Brian Murray wrote:
> >> You should have to authenticate before modifying the network
> >> configuration.  On my Hardy systems and a daily build of the Live CD,
> >> there is an "Unlock" button and selections remain greyed out until I
> >> unlock the application.  If your system is fully up to date and the
> >> "Unlock" button is not there then you should submit a bug report.  Your
> >> issues regarding changing the network configuration are probably a
> >> direct result of your not being authenticated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >
> > I'm up to date, and using the menus, I just get a full grayed window and 
> > cant manage my networks options.
> > If I try the old Network Monitor 2.12.1, it just says that the interface 
> > (either and both eth0 and eth1)  doesnt exist.
> >
> >
>
> That sounds like bug 176060. Now that gnome-system-tools uses PolicyKit, you
> need to run it as a normal user, and not through gksu. Could you verify that 
> you
> have network-manager-gnome 0.6.5-0ubuntu11, which fixed this issue, and that
> running 'gksu network-admin' keeps it greyed out, and that running
> 'network-admin' you can unlock it?
>
> Regards,
> Emilio
>

Tonight's upgrade included several PolicyKit pkgs and I did verify
that I am running network-manager-gnome 0.6.5-0ubuntu11 and
network-manager 0.6.5-0ubuntu17.

Now clicking on "Unlock" yields a window stating:
"Could not authenticate  An unexpected error has occurred."
This occurs by simply clicking on the "Unlock" button - not given
the chance to enter a password.

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Re: Hardy Alpha-3 networking

[Richard Mancusi]

On Jan 15, 2008 8:40 PM, Richard Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 6:43 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> > > On Monday 14 January 2008 17:14:29 Brian Murray wrote:
> > >> You should have to authenticate before modifying the network
> > >> configuration.  On my Hardy systems and a daily build of the Live CD,
> > >> there is an "Unlock" button and selections remain greyed out until I
> > >> unlock the application.  If your system is fully up to date and the
> > >> "Unlock" button is not there then you should submit a bug report.  Your
> > >> issues regarding changing the network configuration are probably a
> > >> direct result of your not being authenticated.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >
> > > I'm up to date, and using the menus, I just get a full grayed window and 
> > > cant manage my networks options.
> > > If I try the old Network Monitor 2.12.1, it just says that the interface 
> > > (either and both eth0 and eth1)  doesnt exist.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That sounds like bug 176060. Now that gnome-system-tools uses PolicyKit, you
> > need to run it as a normal user, and not through gksu. Could you verify 
> > that you
> > have network-manager-gnome 0.6.5-0ubuntu11, which fixed this issue, and that
> > running 'gksu network-admin' keeps it greyed out, and that running
> > 'network-admin' you can unlock it?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Emilio
> >
>
> Tonight's upgrade included several PolicyKit pkgs and I did verify
> that I am running network-manager-gnome 0.6.5-0ubuntu11 and
> network-manager 0.6.5-0ubuntu17.
>
> Now clicking on "Unlock" yields a window stating:
> "Could not authenticate  An unexpected error has occurred."
> This occurs by simply clicking on the "Unlock" button - not given
> the chance to enter a password.
>
> -rich
>

I need to reply to my own email to add info.  I attempted to re-start
a service and received the same error - so it has nothing to do with
networking but rather authentication.  You had already assumed that,
I am simply proving it.

System/Administration/Services
click on "Unlock" and receive the following message
Could not authenticate
An unexpected error has occurred.

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Re: Hardy Alpha-3 networking

[Richard Mancusi]

The problem shown below appears to have been resolved with
tonight's update.

tnx
-rich


On Jan 15, 2008 9:39 PM, Richard Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jan 15, 2008 8:40 PM, Richard Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2008 6:43 PM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> > > > On Monday 14 January 2008 17:14:29 Brian Murray wrote:
> > > >> You should have to authenticate before modifying the network
> > > >> configuration.  On my Hardy systems and a daily build of the Live CD,
> > > >> there is an "Unlock" button and selections remain greyed out until I
> > > >> unlock the application.  If your system is fully up to date and the
> > > >> "Unlock" button is not there then you should submit a bug report.  Your
> > > >> issues regarding changing the network configuration are probably a
> > > >> direct result of your not being authenticated.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > I'm up to date, and using the menus, I just get a full grayed window 
> > > > and cant manage my networks options.
> > > > If I try the old Network Monitor 2.12.1, it just says that the 
> > > > interface (either and both eth0 and eth1)  doesnt exist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > That sounds like bug 176060. Now that gnome-system-tools uses PolicyKit, 
> > > you
> > > need to run it as a normal user, and not through gksu. Could you verify 
> > > that you
> > > have network-manager-gnome 0.6.5-0ubuntu11, which fixed this issue, and 
> > > that
> > > running 'gksu network-admin' keeps it greyed out, and that running
> > > 'network-admin' you can unlock it?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Emilio
> > >
> >
> > Tonight's upgrade included several PolicyKit pkgs and I did verify
> > that I am running network-manager-gnome 0.6.5-0ubuntu11 and
> > network-manager 0.6.5-0ubuntu17.
> >
> > Now clicking on "Unlock" yields a window stating:
> > "Could not authenticate  An unexpected error has occurred."
> > This occurs by simply clicking on the "Unlock" button - not given
> > the chance to enter a password.
> >
> > -rich
> >
>
> I need to reply to my own email to add info.  I attempted to re-start
> a service and received the same error - so it has nothing to do with
> networking but rather authentication.  You had already assumed that,
> I am simply proving it.
>
> System/Administration/Services
> click on "Unlock" and receive the following message
> Could not authenticate
> An unexpected error has occurred.
>
> -rich
>

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Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error

[Richard Mancusi]

After a clean install (i386 desktop) I receive an error when
attempting either:

1. System/Administration/Update Manager
2. System/Administration/Synaptic Package Manager

An error occured
The following details are provided:
E:ERROR: could not create configuration directory
/home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory)

I do have a directory /root/.synaptic
and obviously there is no such thing as /home/root
where it appears to be looking.

-rich

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Hardy Alpha-4 jockey-gtk

[Richard Mancusi]

I have been told to use bug tracker, not this list to
report problems.  But what if the problem can't be
reported (per Ubuntu)?

--
Problem in jockey-gtk
The problem cannot be reported:
This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
--

This had to be installed by the official Ubuntu disc
because (as reported earlier) I can't run the Package
Manager.

-rich

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Re: Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error

[Richard Mancusi]

On Feb 3, 2008 9:13 AM, Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On su, 2008-02-03 at 09:05 -0600, Richard Mancusi wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gksu update-manager
> > warning: could not initiate dbus
>
> You don't need to run update-manager as root. It will switch to root
> (and ask for username then) when it needs it. This should at least fix
> the dbus initialization problem. (I don't know about the other problems,
> which may be unrelated.)
>

That fixed the dbus problem.  The password works, gui comes up
showing the available updates, then back to a window with my initial
error:

--
An error occured
The following details are provided:
E:ERROR: could not create configuration directory
/home/root/.synaptic - mkdir (2 No such file or directory)
--

Terminal output = current dist not found in meta-release file

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Re: Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error

[Richard Mancusi]

On Feb 2, 2008 10:59 PM, scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try opening a terminal and typing 'gksu synaptic' or 'gksu update-manager'.
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>

The "administrative tasks" password box comes up and accepts the
password.  Then update manager gui appears showing 32 updates.
However the terminal shows:

--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gksu update-manager
warning: could not initiate dbus
Perhaps the problem is that you attempted to use GConf from two
machines at once, and ORBit still has its default configuration that
prevents remote CORBA connections - put "ORBIIOPIPv4=1" in
/etc/orbitrc. As always, check the user.* syslog for details on
problems gconfd encountered. There can only be one gconfd per home
directory, and it must own a lockfile in ~/.gconfd and also lockfiles
in individual storage locations such as ~/.gconf
current dist not found in meta-release file
--

Terminal output from attempting to close the update manager:

--
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/UpdateManager.py",
line 357, in 
self.button_close.connect("clicked", lambda w: self.exit())
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/UpdateManager.py",
line 830, in exit
self.save_state()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/UpdateManager/UpdateManager.py",
line 838, in save_state
gconf.VALUE_INT, gconf.VALUE_INT, x, y)
gobject.GError: No database available to save your configuration:
Unable to store a value at key '/apps/update-manager/window_size', as
the configuration server has no writable databases. There are some
common causes of this problem: 1) your configuration path file
/etc/gconf/2/path doesn't contain any databases or wasn't found 2)
somehow we mistakenly created two gconfd processes 3) your operating
system is misconfigured so NFS file locking doesn't work in your home
directory or 4) your NFS client machine crashed and didn't properly
notify the server on reboot that file locks should be dropped. If you
have two gconfd processes (or had two at the time the second was
launched), logging out, killing all copies of gconfd, and logging back
in may help. If you have stale locks, remove ~/.gconf*/*lock. Perhaps
the problem is that you attempted to use GConf from two machines at
once, and ORBit still has its default configuration that prevents
remote CORBA connections - put "ORBIIOPIPv4=1" in /etc/orbitrc. As
always, check the user.* syslog for details on problems gconfd
encountered. There can only be one gconfd per home directory, and it
must own a lockfile in ~/.gconfd and also lockfiles in individual
storage locations such as ~/.gconf
--

A crash report warning is issued - however it can't be reported:

--
Problem in update-manager
The problem cannot be reported:
You have some obsolete package versions installed.
Please upgrade the following packages and check if
the problem still occurs:
libgcc1, xinit, cpp-4.2, libffi4, libxml2, libsasl2-2,
coreutils, libsasl2-modules, gcc-4.2-base, libstdc++6
--

This was a clean install in the manner I believed the average
user would do.  Use entire disk, allow Ubuntu to partition,
everything very basic.

hth
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Fwd: Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error

[Richard Mancusi]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Richard Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Feb 3, 2008 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error
To: Jason Crain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


On Feb 3, 2008 9:35 AM, Jason Crain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could you run this and tell us what it shows:
>
> sudo -H bash -c 'echo $HOME'
>

/home/root

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Re: Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error

[Richard Mancusi]

On Feb 3, 2008 10:15 AM, Jason Crain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Feb 3, 2008 9:35 AM, Jason Crain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Could you run this and tell us what it shows:
>
> sudo -H bash -c 'echo $HOME'
>
>  /home/root
>
>  That's pretty strange.  Try running sudo usermod -d /root root to set
> root's home dir.  If that doesn't work, you may have to look at root's
> .bash* or .profile files to see if $HOME is being set anywhere.
>

Okay - that did it, sudo -H bash -c 'echo $HOME' now shows /root
and I was able to do the updates and I added build-essential as a test
via Synaptic Package Manager.

Thank you for fixing my problem - I hope it is localized to me and
not a Ubuntu problem.  I know everything I did post install and may
research this some more.

tnx
-rich

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Re: Hardy Alpha-4 synaptic error

[Richard Mancusi]

On Feb 3, 2008 10:32 AM, Richard Mancusi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2008 10:15 AM, Jason Crain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 2008 9:35 AM, Jason Crain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Could you run this and tell us what it shows:
> >
> > sudo -H bash -c 'echo $HOME'
> >
> >  /home/root
> >
> >  That's pretty strange.  Try running sudo usermod -d /root root to set
> > root's home dir.  If that doesn't work, you may have to look at root's
> > .bash* or .profile files to see if $HOME is being set anywhere.
> >
>
> Okay - that did it, sudo -H bash -c 'echo $HOME' now shows /root
> and I was able to do the updates and I added build-essential as a test
> via Synaptic Package Manager.
>
> Thank you for fixing my problem - I hope it is localized to me and
> not a Ubuntu problem.  I know everything I did post install and may
> research this some more.
>
> tnx
> -rich
>

Okay, I did another clean install and can repeat the problem.  On a test
system I always set a root password and allow root logon.  Yes, I know
that isn't a great idea, but it comes in handy on a test system.

As soon as I set a root password in System/Administration/Users and Groups
the root user Home directory moved from /root to /home/root.

I guess it's a matter of opinion as to whether this is a bug.  Ubuntu and
common sense tells you to not set a root password.  But if you are going
to allow it, it should work correctly.  I leave that to the developers.

-rich

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libc_p.a under Gutsy (7.10) (32 bit version) causes floating exception under gcc

[Richard Pember]

Hi,

I'm trying to profile a code that's I/O intensive and so I would like to
use the profiling version of the C library, libc_p.a. In a nutshell,
executables
compiled with gcc with -p (or -pg) and linked with libc_p.a have a floating
point exception right out the gate. (I also have the Intel C compiler
installed,
icc, and the same is true.)

This is true for all versions of gcc I have installed, except for 2.95, for
which the link fails.

For example:

-
%coot 108: cat hello.c
#include 

main() {

  printf ("hello, world!\n");

}
%coot 109: gcc hello.c
%coot 110: a.out
hello, world!
%coot 111: gcc hello.c -lc_p
%coot 112: a.out
hello, world!
%coot 113: gcc -p hello.c -lc_p
%coot 114: a.out
Floating exception
%coot 115: gcc -p hello.c
%coot 116: a.out
hello, world!
%coot 117: gcc -pg hello.c
%coot 118: a.out
hello, world!
%coot 119: gcc -p hello.c -lc_p
%coot 120: a.out
Floating exception
%coot 121: gcc -pg hello.c -lc_p
%coot 122: a.out
Floating exception
%coot 123: gcc-3.3 -pg hello.c -lc_p
%coot 124: a.out
Floating exception
%coot 125: gcc-3.4 -pg hello.c -lc_p
%coot 126: a.out
Floating exception
%coot 127: gcc-4.2 -pg hello.c -lc_p
%coot 128: a.out
Floating exception
%coot 129: gcc-2.95 hello.c
%coot 130: a.out
hello, world!
%coot 131: gcc-2.95 -pg hello.c
%coot 132: a.out
hello, world!
%coot 133: gcc-2.95 -pg hello.c -lc_p
/usr/bin/../lib/libc_p.a(syslog.op): In function `__vsyslog_chk':
(.text+0x70e): undefined reference to `_Unwind_Resume'
(blah-blah-blah)
%coot 134:
--

I'm using the version of libc_p.a found in the Synaptic Package manger (SPM)
under libc6-prof.
The versions of gcc were also found under the SPM.

I found  in the Synaptic Package manger (SPM) under libc6-prof.

I've also installed gcc in the same way. Under the SPM, versions 2.95,
3.3., 3.4, 4.1, and 4.2 are available. The base version is 4.1:

-
%coot 104: gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
Target: i486-linux-gnu
Configured with: ../src/configure -v
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++,treelang --prefix=/usr
--enable-shared --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib
--without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --enable-nls
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.1.3
--program-suffix=-4.1--enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-libstdcxx-debug
--enable-mpfr --enable-checking=release i486-linux-gnu
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.1.3 20070929 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.2-16ubuntu2)
%coot 105:
---

I have a neighbor running Red Hat with gcc 3.2.3, and I am able to build and
run there:
---
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _gprof]$ gcc -p hello.c -lc_p
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _gprof]$ ./a.out
hello, world!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _gprof]$
---

Is there some other version of libc_p I should be using?

Thanks,
Rick Pember
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Re: libc borked

[Richard Mancusi]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Brian Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  One thing this, and some other events, has made me think about is - how
>  are new community members supposed to know who someone is and what their
>  contributions to Ubuntu have been?  We have a developer responsibilities
>  wiki page[1] perhaps we should publicize it more and flesh it out.  As I
>  personally have a hard time keeping people's irc nicks, launchpad
>  usernames and real names connected, I'm adding irc nicks to that page
>  too.
>
>  What other ways can we help new community members identify people
>  involved in Ubuntu development?
>

senders email signature line ... short description of responsibilities and area
of expertise - this will help all list members place value on the reply

>  [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResponsibilities
>
>  --
>  Brian Murray @ubuntu.com
>

-rich

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Re: libc borked

[Richard Mancusi]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Stephan Hermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>  Richard Mancusi wrote:
>  > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Brian Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >>  One thing this, and some other events, has made me think about is - how
>  >>  are new community members supposed to know who someone is and what their
>  >>  contributions to Ubuntu have been?  We have a developer responsibilities
>  >>  wiki page[1] perhaps we should publicize it more and flesh it out.  As I
>  >>  personally have a hard time keeping people's irc nicks, launchpad
>  >>  usernames and real names connected, I'm adding irc nicks to that page
>  >>  too.
>  >>
>  >>  What other ways can we help new community members identify people
>  >>  involved in Ubuntu development?
>  >>
>  >
>  > senders email signature line ... short description of responsibilities and 
> area
>  > of expertise - this will help all list members place value on the reply
>
>  For what?
>

To identify the skill level of the individual who replied.  Wasn't I clear?

"... this will help all list members place value on the reply ..."

>  "Hello, I'm this guy, who does that and now you have to respect my mail,
>  because I'm someone who is doing a lot more for Ubuntu then you?"
>
>  Actually this occasion happened in a development cycle which is intended
>  to break. Everbody who is using a development relase knows exactly that
>  this can happen always until release.
>
>  So there is no need for fingerpointing...We found the bugger, the
>  solution is quite clear and for the next time, we know now what we have
>  to do (as Colin and I were discussing). Yes, we all make mistakes, so what.
>

I don't remember anyone saying they were trying to fingerpoint.

>  To identify who is who doesn't help with all that.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  \sh

Obviously you and I took the op completely different.  I could care less
about pointing a finger.  It is Alpha software - stuff happens.  I fixed
mine just fine, even without the help.  My mistake, I didn't realize folks
were still arguing about "the incident".

Actually I wondered why a new thread wasn't created for the op
question.  Now I know - it apparently is the same thread.

I wasn't involved in the original discussion and choose not to comment
on it.  However, if this is a new thread, I stand on my suggestion.  Yes,
I would like to know the quality of a reply and I would base it on my
above stated criteria.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.  I will butt out and allow you folks to
return to the argument.

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Re: Pulseaudio/Jack in Ubuntu Hardy

[Richard Spindler]

2008/4/28 Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  It is trickier than it seems. There is no "best" solution for everyone.
>  This (to me) is simply one of those situations where the user has to
>  figure out what they are doing.
>
>  PulseAudio or JACK should be used separately by default IMO. I'm not
>  saying don't make the tools available, but making JACK work through
>  PulseAudio by default is bad.

Jack-Autostart normally works quite well, "if" jack is already
configured, however a default configuration could work or not
depending on what hardware is used.

Ardour is a rather "high-end" tool, and for optimal performance its
audio-backend, which happens to be JACK "should" be as close to the
metal as possible, that is: connected directly to the sound device.

In my humble opinion, a compromise that could work for "most" use
cases would be that when jack is started, pulse disconnects from the
default audio hardware, jack connects to the default audio hardware,
and pulse reconnects to jack as a jack client. While this might
require some integration work, I believe that this solution is
feasible, especially because I think that one of pulse-audios stated
goals is to support "dynamic" reconfiguration/rerouting of the audio
configuration.

This setup would have several advantages:

A) jack and ardour get direct access to the hardware -> low latency
(yeah, only as good as the default gets, not fine-tuned)

B) pulse-audio is still able to talk to the sound device and is able
to make noise.

C) You can record _everything_ that goes through pulse in ardour, also
VOIP Interviews for Example, or flash-plugin-audio. This feature is
requested every now and then by users.

One disadvantage is that if the sound-hardware is so crappy that it
does not work within the requirements of jack, then it would not work.
However, this is a rather difficult problem, and the Jack Devs are
very much aware of that. If this is solved sooner or later depends on
how jack development continues in the future. :-)

Cheers
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Re: LSB Package API

[Richard Hughes]

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:51 +0200, Denis Washington wrote:
> Some time ago, it was discussed on an LSB face-to-face meeting that an
> API should be developed that allows ISVs to install sotware packages
> which integrate into the package manager - the "Berlin Packaging API".
> While the idea seemed to be well received, there didn't seem much
> progress since then, except for a wiki page with a rundimentary proposal
> [1]. Considering that third-party software installation is an undeniably
> important weak spot of the Linux infrastructure, I found this was a
> shame.

Sure, it's been tried before a few times before and fallen on it's face
each time. There's a reason that PackageKit uses the distro supplied
packages, rather than trying to spin it's own thing.

> To reignite the the initiative, I decided to design and develop a
> prototype implementation of the Berlin API, most creatively named the
> "LSB Package API". It is designed as a simple D-Bus interface
> accompanied with an XML-based package description format. A detailed
> description and the source code can be found on this page:
> 
>  http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/LSB_Package_API

Sounds quite like PackageKit, which has been developed for the last year
or so with buy-in from most of the big distros. PackageKit doesn't try
to replace the entire stack, only make some sort of abstraction for GUI
tools where such an abstraction makes sense.

Being blunt, no distro is going to support a LSB package API. To me, a
distro is basically:

community+trust+infrastructure

If you take away the trust (letting other people create and sign
packages), the infrastructure (letting other people host packages and
manage security errata) and the community (basically reduced to PR)
you've got nothing left.

The cost of a distro rolling it's own packages is trivial considering
the advantages of the vendor trust model, with a single infrastructure
and support.

> The implementation currently supports integration into RPM and dpkg; due
> to its modular nature, support for more package managers could be added
> later on.

Looks like you've not considered localisation, multi-lib, multiple
versions of packages, or any of the problems solved with solutions like
NEVRAs. I would suggest to read the rpm(+yum), dpkg and conary sources
before you even start to propose APIs.

> I hope this implementation will act as a starting point for resurrecting
> the Berlin API process. Let us overcome the "Third-party software
> installation on Linux sucks" problem and strive to a brave new world of
> easily distributable Linux software! ;)

I think you are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
For the corner cases of where this does apply (proprietary software)
this is not enough of a use case to justify all the work required.

From somebody that's spent the best part of a year researching the
packaging formats and distribution of metadata, I don't see such a LSB
package API as a viable project.

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Re: [packaging] LSB Package API

[Richard Hughes]

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:18 +0200, Denis Washington wrote:
> The problem I currently see with single-click install is that it still
> relies on a single package format (.rpm), so there would have to be
> several packages of the same application again. Another particular
> problem I see is security: RPM runs as root, so post-install routines
> will do so too. That's why I tried to do an architecture that works
> without root privileges (in many cases at least). But maybe there are
> are already plans how to address this? I must admit I'm not all that
> well-informed about SuSE's one-click install.

We've discussed this in detail on the PackageKit mailing list.

> > Can we move followups to [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather
> > than cc'ing all those lists?
> 
> OK. I wanted to get as many parties as possible on board, but now
> let's say: whoever likes to follow this discussion is encouraged to to
> join [EMAIL PROTECTED] [1]. Follow-ups should only
> be sent there.

Sure, you probably want to see the FAQ and mailing lists archives for
PackageKit too. There's a real reason PackageKit doesn't support OCI,
and another reason it supports catalog instead.

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Re: LSB Package API

[Richard Hughes]

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 20:02 +0200, Denis Washington wrote:
> We shouldn't resignate just because nothing came out of the previous
> attempts. Also, the LSB Package API is designed to require as little
> adjustments as possible to installers - it's just to calls and a single
> file, after all.

Uses a DBUS service: check
Uses pluggable backends: check
Use PolicyKit: check
Use an XML parser: check
System activation: check
Define own linked list implementation: check

> As already mentioned before in this thread, the focus of PackageKit and the
> LSB Package API are quite different, so there is no big reason for them to
> not exist side-by-side.

Err, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/LSB_Package_API suggests
otherwise.

You've got calls to PolicyKit, a system activated daemon, pluggable
backends - you might as well call the project LSBPackageKit. You don't
appear to have any defined scope for the project and it seems to be just
be technology-bingo at the moment.

> I don't think this is a corner case at all. For one thing, propietary
> applications might just don't play a role _because_ there is no really
> good distribution method for them - the typical chicken-and-egg problem.
> (I'm not saying this is the only reason, but an important one.) We're
> just not giving them an easy method of cross-distro integration. I think
> providing this is important.

Have you talked to customers? I have. Lots of them. Customers don't want
DBUS services or PolicyKit, they want one of two things:

1. A tested (supported) binary package for something like RHEL and SLED.
2. An installer that uses something like /bin/sh for the other distros.

If you want them to use a library to install stuff, you better make it
static (else they have to depend on really new versions of distros) and
also make it very lightweight, libc type stuff. Most of this closed
source stuff has to install on distros 5 years old, and continue to work
on distros 2 years in the future.

> Second, this way of distribution will help open-source projects as well.
> It would make it really easy for them to distribute bleeding-edge
> versions of there apps that integrate well into the packaging system
> without having to package for each and every package manager.

Talk to the distro maintainers. They really don't want random projects
replacing supported packages. Packages are not normally just the
upstream tarball with a spec file - normally the packager includes spec
files to make the package compile, or integrate well with the distro.
Then there's the world of pain that comes from security errata.

I really think you should talk to distro maintainers as well as closed
source vendors before coming up with any more API.

Richard.



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Re: Serious, potentially hardware-damaging e1000e driver issue on Intrepid

[Richard Mancusi]

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 01:22, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear developers,
>
> Reports have been coming in that the e1000e ethernet driver for Intel GigE
> chipsets, as included upstream in Linux 2.6.27, may under certain conditions
> irreparably damage your ethernet hardware by corrupting the on-board
> firmware.
>

I agree with the assertion that it is associated with 2.6.27



> Further discussion of this issue can be found on the ubuntu-devel mailing
> list at
> ,
> and progress on resolving this issue can be tracked at
> .
>
> --
> Steve Langasek

I see that there is some confusion because in some cases the driver
is thought to be the problem and sometimes 2.6.27.  I suspect it is
a combination or better stated - the interaction of the two.

In theory my card was permanently damaged.  However at boot
time I fell back to the previous kernel and my card works fine.

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Ethernet driver problem fixed?

[Richard Mancusi]

Did yesterday's update

From: 2.6.27-4.5   To: 2.6.27-4.6

fix the problem - or are the cards still at risk?

tnx
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You lost a new Ubuntu user

[Richard Tattersall]

I dont feel that the time is quite right to move to having the default release 
as a DVD.   Obviously at some point in the future as the code increases this 
will have to happen, but surely this should be a decision taken by the core 
developers only when they feel that trying to make it fit on a CD will mean 
removing too much of the core functionality to make it a viable out-of-the-box 
desktop experience. Much of the usefulness and charm of Ubuntu comes from it 
maintaining its relatively small size and handyness, even on older systems. As 
a small aside, i also fear that moving to a DVD too early may result in 
unessesary bloat.  Is it not possible to release cd images with a default 
language other than english?  Surely the most logical solution would be to have 
a separate .iso released for handful of the most common languages.I am not 
familiar with how translation in software really works so please correct me if 
I am barking up the wrong tree here. I would also like to lend support to the 
idea of asking the user before the installer connects to the internet.  
Although it may seem trivial to some people, I see it as simply being polite.  
I dont want to feel like my OS thinks it knows what I want better than I do. A 
simple dialog along these lines would suffice, and help the user to feel like 
they are using an OS, not the other way around: "To install the the following 
components you have selected, extra packages must be downloaded from the 
internet:  To install these now, please click continue.  If you do 
not wish to install these right now, please click install 
later"  > Subject: Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user> 
From: cche...@ubuntu.com> To: m...@jump-ing.de> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:24:28 
-0600> CC: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com> > On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 12:03 
+0100, Markus Hitter wrote:> > Am 28.12.2008 um 07:49 schrieb Chris Cheney:> > 
> > > Thus it would take a very long time to download for a large > > > 
percentage of the world. Although perhaps this is not as big an > > > issue 
since many places have a bandwidth cap as well so people > > > wouldn't be 
downloading the image in the first place?> > > > > > You propose to 
intentionally get rid of a significant number of > > users? Hmm.> > > > For me, 
the limited size of the CD is one of the great features of > > Ubuntu as it not 
only allows a reasonable quick download, but > > obviously stops Ubuntu from 
bloating as well.> > > > > > MarKus> > Well this discussion did start out due 
to the fact that the install CD> currently needs an internet connection to 
install language packs since> they don't fit on the cd. Which brought up the 
issue of installing them> over an internet connection which in many countries 
is prohibitively> expensive. So going to a default DVD release could possibly 
alleviate> this issue, assuming that the users in those countries could get 
access> to the DVDs via shipit or some other means. Of course they couldn't> 
download the DVD image for the same reason they can't download updates> and 
language packs today, that is their internet connection is too> limited and 
expensive.> > With respect of the cost of pressed CDs vs DVDs for shipit, I 
don't know> how much they cost. However, some newspapers in the UK give away 
DVDs> with their newspapers, of course they may be advertising subsidized to> 
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RE: too complicated

[Richard Tattersall]

There is no need for an end user to use a CLI in a functioning ubuntu.  
Installing almost everything is possibly graphically, the only real exception 
would be compiling from source, which is a rarely needed thing these days.

Personally I prefer doing most admin tasks via a CLI.  A GUI is easier if you 
arent sure of how to do something, as it enables you to fiddle around and 
hopefully stumble across what you need without too much research.  However 
clicking and waiting for dialog boxes to appear can get tedious.  A CLI is 
great if you already know how to do something, as all it takes is a few brief 
key presses to enter the command and its done.

CLI is also useful for support/guides, because rather than lots of "click here, 
then here, then here" all you need is to copy and paste commands in a terminal.

Im curious as to what you were trying to do in a terminal and what you found 
hard about it?  I bet there was probably a simpler/GUI way of doing it.  
Perhaps this suggests a problem with how ubuntu is documented for new users?

>From: jameskoi...@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:53:17 -0500
>Subject: too complicated
>To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com


>I installed ubuntu and tried it out,but for average computer user its too 
>complicated too use and install software, most people dont know how to use a 
>command line.I wish ubuntu could compete with microsoft
>because i dont like microsoft,also nvidia card does not work in sli mode 
>with ubuntu 8.10


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Re: why privacy and security matters

[Richard JOHNSON]

On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 06:30:18PM +0100, Patrick Freundt wrote:
[...]
> But when nothing is supposed to influence the routing between me and
> my ISP, no cracked router, no script kiddies on IRC who know my IP,
> and only me and Google's Mail sit together, then how the heck is that
> 21 year old girl able to get inbetween this romantic relationship ...
> between me and Google?

Until she hacks the Gibson, she isn't elite enough to ruin the romance you
share with Google.

Now, could we please get back to out regularly scheduled show?

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General graphic equaliser in Pulse Audio for Lucid

[Richard Didd]

Hi All

Regarding the next release of Ubuntu (Lucid), I was wondering if the
most recent version of Pulse Audio will be included.

The reason that I am asking is because I have been working with some
developers regarding a general graphic equalizer for ubuntu that ties in
with Pulse Audio.

Posts here :-

http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1308838

and

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1378087

The current version of Pulse audio (under development) is found here
with instructions :-

http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/SystemEqualizer

A system wide graphic equalizer is a wanted feature (and not just for
myself).
Is this something that we can include once development has been
completed (there are a few bugs at the moment).

 

His question has been raised at :-

 

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+question/98940

 

And I have been asked to ask you if this could be implemented.

 

Regards

 

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Re: Lucid changes to Firefox default search provider

[Richard JOHNSON]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 03:19:33PM +0530, Vishnoo wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 00:21 -0600, Richard JOHNSON wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 01:45:53AM -0500, Alain-Olivier Breysse wrote:
> > > Bonjour,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The motivation  of your decision is already being talked about around the
> > > net in many different languages, and because it is the net, will continue 
> > > to
> > > do so.
> > 
> > Good, more publicity, seeing as 95% of the places I have read, the people
> > commenting were all level headed, understood the deal, and realize they
> > still have that wonderful thing called a choice. If you are so
> > anti-Microsoft, then switch it to Google or whoever.
> > 
> > I don't mean to be an ass, but beating a dead horse isn't going to scare
> > Canonical into changing their decision.
> > 
> 
> I been having a nagging worry regarding this recent change. 
> 
> I'v noticed several users in #ubuntu+1 complaining about the change and
> mentioning that they have changed their search engines back to google.
> Similar comments in various blogs mentioning the change.

I am fairly certain Canonical knew there was going to be some complaining,
and I feel it was expected personally. The thing that really got to me with
this announcement, is those that I did expect to start a FUD campaign, or
really bitch about it, didn't. They understood the situation and stayed
level headed about it. I was impressed and it made me feel really good
about this wonderful community we are a part of.

> Since unfortunately Yahoo isnt really as good as google, I suspect even
> more are switching quietly .  
> I'v tried to stick with yahoo for my searches and support the change ,
> but the results were not really as good/relevant/sufficient as google's.
> 
> If more folks are going to switch back , Will it eventually turn out to
> be more profitable? [not to doubt the deal-makers]
> I really hope the Yahoo deal is *very* good to cover all the loss we
> have from the user's switching and in turn more profitable for
> Ubuntu/Canonical. 

I would assume that Canonical and Yahoo both thought about this and
realized that people will jump ship right away back to Google or their
preferred search engine. With new people trying Ubuntu every day, the
chances of them not changing are more than likely better than that of us
who are used to one provider or another.

> Or is Canonical also entitled to revenue from Ubuntu google searches?
> [which would make me feel less guilty for switching ;)  ]

I don't know if there still is to be honest, but I am almost positive there
was one in the past.

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Re: .desktop files and translations help needed

[Richard JOHNSON]

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 08:10:43AM +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
[...]
> Any other developer facing similar problems is free to ask for help!
> :) The more technical l10n people will be happy to help in the swamp
> of gettext and various intltool usage methods. Also if you just want
> to figure it out yourself, it's often useful to take a look at some
> other well-behaving package, like update-manager (Python) or
> update-notifier (C).

Siegfried Gevatter and Red Hats website [1] helped me with this one.

[1] http://www.redhat.com/magazine/013nov05/features/freedesktop/#intltool

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Re: Rightness of firefox

[Richard JOHNSON]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 07:08:56PM +0200, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote:
> some of those changes, in any case, could be upstreamed to be
> available to any distro, not only ubuntu, I think (like the
> firefox-kde patch)

Right now I think Mozilla is just waiting for the KDE patch to be
finalized, though in the past they were against incorporating it for
various reasons. openSUSE also carries this same KDE patch, as they are the
creators of it. Only time will tell.

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Re: Ubuntu falling behind?

[Richard Mancusi]

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 18:50, Chris Jones  wrote:
> I guess I also have to remind myself that lucid is a LTS release. Which I
> hadn't thought of when I first posted.
> Still, this very issue seems to be apparent with all Ubuntu releases and
> Firefox updates. We always seem to be the last ones to receive it.
>
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It isn't like no one is trying.  The following email from 25 days ago
outlines the plan and requests help/testers.

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Hello Ubuntu Developers,

The desktop team has been working since the Karmic UDS on the following
blueprint:
https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-new-firefox-support-model

The upshot of the blueprint is that there will be some changes to users'
desktops if they are currently Hardy, Jaunty or Karmic users.

In Lucid, we put in a lot of effort to ensure these updates will be
easier in the future (Firefox now uses bundled libraries rather than
system libraries, we have reduced the number of applications in the
archive using xulrunner, and dropped a lot of extensions too). The
update for Lucid is quite trivial, but the update in Hardy, Jaunty and
Karmic is not quite as simple. When we roll out the new version, we also
need to update the following:

 * All the Firefox extensions that we ship in the archive
 * Language packs

In addition to this, we are going to be porting some applications which
are currently using xulrunner 1.9 to either the latest version of
xulrunner (1.9.2.4) or Webkit. However, this can happen after the
Firefox rollout, as the 2 xulrunner versions can be installed in
parallel. We have a list of the affected applications [2]. We won't be
porting all of the applications on that list, but will be focusing on
the applications which are exposed to insecure content (at the bottom of
the page).

Why:

Firefox 3.0 (and xulrunner 1.9) are now unsupported by Mozilla. Rather
than backporting security fixes to these now, we are moving to a support
model where we will be introducing major new upstream versions in stable
releases. The reason for this is the support periods from Mozilla are
gradually becoming shorter, and it will be more and more difficult for
us to maintain our current support model in the future (see [1] for
information).


When:

Next week, Mozilla will release Firefox 3.6.4 as a minor update to the
3.6 series. This will be rolled out to Lucid, Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic
(along with xulrunner 1.9.2.4).


Call for Testing:

Packages will be hosted in the Ubuntu Mozilla Security team PPA [2].

As this is being rolled out as a security update (rather than a SRU),
there is no bug report tracking this. The rollout is being covered (and
will be announced) by USN-930-1.

Clearly, there are significant risks associated with the update. In
addition to ensuring that Firefox and all the extensions still function
correctly after the update, we also need to ensure:

1. All the Firefox plugins (eg, Flash) still work
2. The actual upgrade to the latest version goes smoothly
3. We don't break Hardy -> Lucid and Jaunty -> Karmic upgrades

4. The upgrade works with the *-updates pocket disabled

Applications that are ported to the latest version of xulrunner (or to
Webkit) will also need testing. However, we will also need to test every
application on the list in [3] (even the ones which aren't being
updated), with the latest version of xulrunner installed on the system.
The reason for this is that most applications dynamically load one of
the GRE's on the system, and some of these applications will load
1.9.2.4 if it is present. I already know of 1 API change in 1.9.2.4
which had been causing me problems with applications I've been porting,
so it's possible that the same issue will affect applications we aren't
porting if they load the newest GRE.

You can help testing the upgrade by following the instruction on
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-June/030811.html


Thank you,

Sebastien Bacher
On behalf of the Ubuntu Desktop team


[1]
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel

[2] https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa

[3]
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel/xulrunner-list


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Shishi Version 1.0.0 on Ubuntu Lucid?

[Richard Kerver]

Version 1.0.0 of Shishi was released 2010-05-20, taking Shishi out of alpha
testing.  My Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 repository shows the latest version as
0.0.40-2.  When might I expect a new build for version 1.0.0?  Thanks for
the kindness of a response.  Regards.  Richard.
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live-build (lb_chroot_linux-image) does not support jessie (Contents-i386.gz ... ERROR 404: Not Found)

[Richard Bouck]

I received the following error while attempting a live-build of Debian
testing distribution "jessie".  I received similar errors with Debian 7.1
and Ubuntu 14.04.  The example below is from the Ubuntu environment using
live-build version 3.0~a57-1ubuntu11.  Please let me know if live-build
should support the jessie distribution or what else I should do?  See
details below.

Thanks,
Rick


Failure:

[2014-10-14 15:20:56] lb_chroot_linux-image --verbose
--2014-10-14 15:20:56--
http://http.us.debian.org/debian//dists/jessie/Contents-i386.gz
Resolving http.us.debian.org (http.us.debian.org)... 64.50.233.100,
64.50.236.52, 128.61.240.89, ...
Connecting to http.us.debian.org (http.us.debian.org)|64.50.233.100|:80...
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2014-10-14 15:20:56 ERROR 404: Not Found.


gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file


Temporary work-around:
File: /usr/lib/live/build/lb_chroot_linux-image

Summary: Add ${LB_ARCHIVE_AREAS}/ to path in "wget" command for
"--distribution jessie"

replace:
# Get all firmware packages names mkdir -p cache/contents.chroot wget
${WGET_OPTIONS}
${LB_PARENT_MIRROR_CHROOT}/dists/${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}/Contents-${LB_ARCHITECTURES}.gz
-O - | gunzip -c >
cache/contents.chroot/contents.${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}.${LB_ARCHITECTURES}


with:
# Get all firmware packages names
mkdir -p cache/contents.chroot
if [ ${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION} = "jessie" ]
then
wget ${WGET_OPTIONS}
${LB_PARENT_MIRROR_CHROOT}./dists/${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}/${LB_ARCHIVE_AREAS}/Contents-${LB_ARCHITECTURES}.gz
-O - | gunzip -c >
cache/contents.chroot/contents.${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}.${LB_ARCHITECTURES}
else
wget ${WGET_OPTIONS}
${LB_PARENT_MIRROR_CHROOT}/dists/${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}/Contents-${LB_ARCHITECTURES}.gz
-O - | gunzip -c >
cache/contents.chroot/contents.${LB_PARENT_DISTRIBUTION}.${LB_ARCHITECTURES}
fi

=
lb config setting (auto/config)

#!/bin/sh

set -e

lb config noauto \
--architectures i386 \
--linux-flavours 686-pae \
--apt-recommends false \
--cache true \
--cache-indices true \
--cache-packages true \
--cache-stages bootstrap \
--binary-images iso-hybrid \
--distribution jessie \
--memtest none \
--mode debian \
--bootloader grub \
--system live \
--backports false \
--bootappend-live "boot=live config silent quickreboot noeject noautologin
username=user" \
--verbose \
--mirror-bootstrap http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ \
--mirror-chroot-security http://security.debian.org/ \
"${@}"


live-build info:

geco@geco-VirtualBox:~/src/live-build-3.0~a57/scripts/build$ which
live-build
/usr/bin/live-build
geco@geco-VirtualBox:~/src/live-build-3.0~a57/scripts/build$ type live-build
live-build is /usr/bin/live-build
geco@geco-VirtualBox:~/src/live-build-3.0~a57/scripts/build$ dpkg -s
live-build
Package: live-build
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 808
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers 
Architecture: all
Version: 3.0~a57-1ubuntu11
Depends: debootstrap | cdebootstrap | cdebootstrap-static
Recommends: cpio
Suggests: dosfstools, genisoimage, git, memtest86+ | memtest86, mtools,
parted, squashfs-tools | mtd-tools, sudo | fakeroot, syslinux | grub,
uuid-runtime, win32-loader, gnu-fdisk
Breaks: livecd-rootfs (<< 2.75)
Description: Debian Live - System build scripts
 live-build contains the scripts that build a Debian Live system image from
a
 configuration directory.
Homepage: http://live.debian.net/devel/live-build/
Original-Maintainer: Debian Live Project 


full --verbose build.log is attached.

Let me know if you need or have additional information.

Thanks,
Rick


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Backport help with #1561837 and #1562434

[Richard Levenberg]

Are there any backporters that can help with these two backport
requests. One is for a library and the other is for a PAM module that
uses the library. The packages are already in Xenial and have been
tested and work. Using PPA's and VM's of Trusty and Precise they have
been installed, tested and working.

I am willing to provide any technical assistance regarding PAM and
configuration. Credentials are required which can also be provided.

I have already tried two listed members of
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters with no luck. Not sure how to
proceed. Any assistance greatly appreciated.

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Why do Zesty cloud images use non-monotonic GPT partitions (sda1, sda14, sda15)?

[Richard Chan]

Zesty cloud images (bootable under both BIOS and UEFi) use non-monotonic GPT 
partitions /dev/sda1 /dev/sda14 /dev/sda15. This sure as heck confused 
virt-resize from libguestfs (who reordered them)


biosboot (was sda14) -> sda1

efi system (was sda14) -> sda2

rootfs (was sda1) -> sda3


The resulting image was not BIOS bootable as the GRUB prefix was wrong.OVMF 
could still boot the virt-resize'd image.


"RFE: virt-resize should be able to cope with crazy non-monotonic partition 
ordering used by Ubuntu"

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1472039


What was the reason for the non-monotonic partition number selection?


Regards

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Re: ZFS feature flags

[Richard Laager]

s exceptions. For example, if/when
the installer supports ZFS encryption, if the user selects encryption,
the installer must enable the encryption feature even if it would
otherwise default to features=portable. This same idea still applies
(ideally with a warning in the installer) even if the user has set the
checkbox for features=portable--i.e. keep the portable set and add
encryption only, but not enable every feature.

Another exception would be that if you're creating a data pool using a
special vdev, you need the allocation_classes feature that adds support
for special vdevs. Otherwise it simply won't work.

Whether features=portable is set or not, the in-place OS update and
upgrade processes definitely should NOT call `zpool upgrade` right away,
as that would limit the ability to roll back. It would, however, be a
good idea to prompt the user "a while" after a system upgrade to upgrade
to new pool features.

As an aside, FreeBSD is in the process of merging and rebasing their ZFS
implementation to use the current ZFS-on-Linux project as its upstream.
This effort will result in Linux and FreeBSD being equal peers in the
codebase, with the repository being renamed from "zfsonlinux" to
"openzfs" on GitHub, replacing the current Illumos-based openzfs
repository. Apropos to this discussion, this will reduce the feature
delta between Linux and FreeBSD. Of course, due to different release
cycles, there will likely always be some delta between ZFS features in
released versions of, e.g., Ubuntu and FreeBSD.

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Re: ZFS feature flags

[Richard Laager]

On 10/19/19 4:43 AM, Colin Watson wrote:
> I don't have much to say about most of this, but noticed this bit:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 09:48:42PM -0500, Richard Laager wrote:
>> The same implementation could (and if I have my way, will) be used to
>> provide a features=grub mask. This would be used for the boot pool
>> (bpool) to limit it to the features supported by GRUB. This would avoid
>> the dangerous message in "zpool status" which tells you to run "zpool
>> upgrade" on your bpool which would then break booting from it.
> 
> Isn't that a dubious and confusing way to spell it?

I'm certainly open to a different name.

> After all, like any
> other ZFS implementation, GRUB's ZFS implementation has gained features
> over time, and it wouldn't surprise me if it continued to do so.  It
> sounds like you'd need a set of versioned features for this as well as
> for features=portable; but it's not clear how the decision of when to
> promote a feature set to the unversioned level would be made,
> particularly given GRUB's rather slow and unpredictable release cycle
> and the widespread practice of backporting features by distribution
> maintainers.

The proposal, as I understand it, is that the unversioned
features=portable is defined as the set of features common to all the
latest releases of specific "tier 1" ZFS platforms: FreeBSD,
illumos-gate*, Ubuntu LTS, and ZoL**. A feature is promoted into the
unversioned features=portable when it is available in all of those
platforms' latest releases. As new platform releases push out older
releases, the set of common features expands and the definition of
features=portable can be updated.

* illumos-gate, which I think doesn't have releases, was going to use a
time-based cutoff.

** In practice, unless Ubuntu backports something from git master or
writes their own ZFS feature, Ubuntu LTS will always be a subset of the
latest ZoL release. Thus, Ubuntu LTS will be the limiting factor for the
common set, not the latest ZoL release.

The versioned features=portable- are simply features=portable frozen
in time on January 1 of . The versioned ones are not driving
anything design-wise, so they are mostly irrelevant for this discussion.
If people also want versioned grub-, that's trivial to do.

I think there are two approaches to take for features=grub. Originally,
I was thinking that features=grub would be the set of features that are
supported by GRUB on the current system. This solves the `zpool status`
/ `zpool upgrade` issues for the boot pool, which is the main goal.

However, that definition could hamper dual-booting scenarios, so
features=grub should probably be similar to features=portable. It should
be the set of features common to all the latest releases of specific
"tier 1" ZFS platforms that use GRUB (specifically GRUB 2, not GRUB
Legacy) as their bootloader. I don't think that FreeBSD uses GRUB, and
neither illumos nor ZoL are whole distros, so in practice this is just
Ubuntu LTS at the moment. It may be desirable to expand this to include
other distros where root-on-ZFS is a thing, like Arch and Gentoo. In
other words, features=grub should be the features supported by GRUB in
the latest release of whichever distros people might realistically want
to dual-boot off the bpool.

Whether the feature arrives in Ubuntu 20.04's GRUB by GRUB release or
distro backport is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is which
features are supported.

An additional subtlety is that GRUB opens the pool read-only, so every
read-only feature is "supported" from a GRUB perspective. So what GRUB
"supports" on, for example, Ubuntu 20.04 is the union of the
features-for-write actually supported by GRUB in Ubuntu 20.04, plus all
read-only compatible features supported by the kernel ZFS implementation
on Ubuntu 20.04. (Dependencies have to kept in mind here. If feature X
is read-only compatible but depends on feature Y which is not read-only
compatible, and feature Y is not supported by GRUB, then feature X is
not supported by GRUB.)

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Re: Feature request: Could you make "Software Updater" download only the parts that have changed? Torrents divide a file into hashes and only download the missing parts. Could updates work in a simila

[Richard Laager]

Please file feature requests in Launchpad, on the appropriate package.

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> On Nov 30, 2019, at 14:42, Clinton H <49studeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ubuntu 19.10
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Re: State of libeigen3-dev in Ubuntu Focal

[Richard Laager]

On 2/25/20 2:29 PM, Mike Purvis wrote:
> Would it be reasonable to patch this change onto the current 3.3.7
> version to avoid dependent packages turning off warnings or doing other
> workarounds?

Without knowing the specifics of the patch, most likely. But you're
running out of time. At this point, it's too late to get something into
Debian testing and have it migrate to Focal. (I think Focal is syncing
from Debian testing. If it's syncing from Debian unstable, then you have
like 24 hours.) So it'd need to be a patch that goes direct into Ubuntu.
The best thing to do would be to prepare a patch for the package, submit
a bug report on Launchpad, attach a debdiff, and see if you can get
someone to sponsor the upload. If you're not familiar with Debian style
packaging, file a bug report on Launchpad, link the upstream patch, and
see if you can find someone interested.

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Re: UBUNTU ARM64 DEB PACKAGES on DEBIAN RELATED VERSION

[Richard Laager]

On 3/22/20 4:49 PM, Onur GURSOY wrote:
> In general, you are doing something for ubuntu for packaging ? 
> I can say, Most of ubuntu packages are fully compatible with debian
> buster/sid or something like that version?

In practice, there is a fair amount of binary compatibility between
Ubuntu and Debian. However, you really shouldn't use binary packages
from one on the other. If you want Ubuntu packages, use Ubuntu; if you
want Debian packages, use Debian.

If you need a single package from the other, you should download the
_source_ package (one place to find that is via
https://packages.debian.org or https://packages.ubuntu.com) and rebuild
that source package on your distribution. This would typically involve
something like this:

1) tar zxf mypackage_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz
2) cd mypackage-1.2.3
3) tar --lzma -xf ../mypackage_1.2.3.debian.tar.xz
4) Optionally, edit debian/changelog (use the dch utility)
5) debuild -uc -us
6) If/when that fails, install the required dependencies and retry the
build. "apt build-dep mypackage" can help if "mypackage" is already
packaged in your distro. If the dependencies have changed, you may still
need to install a few more packages separately.

Where you'll run into trouble is if the package you're trying to build
has newer dependencies than are available in your distro version. That
has to be handled on a case-by-case basis. You may be able to weaken the
dependency, or undo whatever change raised it, or you may have to
backport the dependency. That last option can quickly turn into a mess
if the dependency requires more upgraded dependencies; if you find that
happening, just stop and upgrade your distro version instead.

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File edit question

[Richard Lalaz]

Hello I hope this is the correct way to ask.

I have gedit v 3.36.2 and gedit-plugin-session-saver v 3.36.2-1 installed.
What file can i edit to make gedit open a specific session if gedit closes.

Thanks for your help
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Re: Update Ubuntu Coturn Packages to 4.5.1.3

[Richard Laager]

On 12/9/20 11:34 AM, Andrea Xheli wrote:
Can Ubuntu please update the Coturn package currently on the Ubuntu 
20.04  LTS https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/coturn its 4.5.1.1 and 
the latest version is from https://github.com/coturn/coturn  4.5.1.3


Ubuntu does not update packages in a given version (e.g. 20.04), except for:

 * security issues: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ
 * high-impact bugs, safe bug fixes for applications, etc. through the
   Stable Release Updates (SRU) process:
   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
 * kernel, Xorg, etc. via the Hardware Enablement (HWE) process:
   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack

Unless you're asking because of a security issue, the second one (SRU) 
is what you're looking for. You'd have to identify specific issue(s), 
file bug(s) with clear patches, and get someone to sponsor the upload. 
Also note that the coturn package is in Universe, which means it is 
community supported. You will most likely have to do all the fix work 
yourself (i.e. prepare the patched version and upload a .debdiff). So 
generally, in a situation like this, I'd backport the fix(es) myself, 
upload them to a PPA, and then decide how much I care about spending the 
work to get that pushed into Ubuntu itself.


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Re: ufw: add ability to restore ipset to support sshguard

[Richard Laager]

Here's a bug report for it, which you may want to subscribe to:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ufw/+bug/1571579

FWIW, I too would love to see ufw have ipset support. I would use this 
for fail2ban integration as well as some permit rules for various 
applications.


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Re: Installers, feature request

[Richard Laager]

These days, just use TRIM support. As long as your filesystem isn't 100% 
full, this is going to achieve the same (actually better) effect. With 
either approach, the drive will have plenty of unused space for wear 
leveling. With TRIM, the drive also knows not to bother copying data 
around for sections of the disk that are not used.


If, in spite of the advice above, you insist on doing the 
underprovisioning thing, look into setting an HPA (host protected area). 
You can tell the drive to report that it is smaller (e.g. you can ask 
your 200 GB SSD to report as 150 GB). An HPA, being a thing set on the 
drive, persists across installs. Keep in mind that setting an HPA erases 
all the data!


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isoinfo using URLs

[Johnson, Richard]

Hi All--

I like to proposing extending isoinfo and friends to support URL references to 
the ISO.

One use case is eliminating the need mount local ISO  when configuring PXE for 
a network install
 - isoinfo -R -J -u  -x /casper/vmlinuz  > .../vmlinuz
 - isoinfo -R -J -u  -x /casper/initrd > .../initrd

1.  Would this be of interest to anyone else?
2.  Would someone be available to help with preparing a request for inclusion 
in future Debian/Ubuntu releases?

I have a working proof-of-concept, if that helps.

Thanks,
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Re: Include `::1 localhost` in /etc/hosts

[Richard Laager]

On 4/20/22 15:48, Treysis wrote:

Not having localhost to resolve to ::1 is getting problematic.


Why? Can you elaborate on the issue(s) you're seeing?

I've always assumed the trade-off is as follows:

A) localhost resolves to ::1 (with or without 127.0.0.1 too)
   Pro: Things can use IPv6 instead of IPv4 locally.
   Pro: It becomes easier to have IPv6-only systems.
   Con: If a daemon doesn't listen on ::1, but does on 127.0.0.1,
this change potentially breaks it. If the client(s) use
IPv4 only, then as long as localhost points to both, it
won't break. But if the client prefers IPv6, then it will
break. If the client uses Happy Eyeballs, it will work,
probably with slightly increased initial latency.

B) localhost resolves to only 127.0.0.1
   Pro: Daemons that listen only on 127.0.0.1 (because they're old)
or only do so by default (because their default config is old
or the user's config is old) still work.
   Con: IPv6 doesn't get exercised as much.
   Con: It's harder to have an IPv6-only system.

All that said, at work, my systems have an /etc/hosts that is templated 
from Ansible, and my template for Debian and Ubuntu is based on Debian 
which points localhost to both 127.0.0.1 and ::1. I've not had any 
problems with that.


It's way too late to change this for 22.04, but changing it for 22.10 
might be ideal. That would give the maximal time to shake out bugs 
before the next LTS.


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Re: Third party patch licensing

[Richard Laager]

On 5/25/22 12:59, Athos Ribeiro wrote:

I contacted the patch author to wonder how we could re-distribute the
patch (see the discussion in [2]). They agreed to license it with the
upstream project's license (AGPLv3), and I suggested the approach
described in [4].

Since IANAL, I decided to ask devel-discuss if there's a better approach
for licensing this patch or if this should be enough to include it as a
delta. Note that this was submitted to Debian in [5], where I did
raise this same concern.


To be honest, I think general FOSS practice is to assume the patch is 
licensed the same as the code it is changing. In the case of copyleft 
licenses like (A)GPL, that's essentially* legally required (i.e. if 
someone is distributing modified versions*, they have* to be licensed 
under the same license).


* One can quibble over whether the patch is distributing enough of the 
original code to be a derivative work. On the other hand, one can also 
quibble over whether a given patch is creative enough to even be 
copyrightable.


If you really want to be safe (which it seems you do), all you need is 
for the author to confirm it's licensed as "AGPLv3 or later" or "the 
same as the project" or something unambigous. Putting the full license 
grant is one (and the most clear) way to do that, but it's not the only 
way to do it.


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Ubuntu initramfs (Was: Re: any reason for CONFIG_FUSE_FS=y)

[Richard Laager]

On 8/9/22 11:38, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:

The fast majority of Ubuntu installations boot without initramfs at
all.


What makes you say this? Every Ubuntu system I've ever installed has an 
initrd.img-KERNEL_VERSION in /boot. In this context, I'm talking about 
systems installed using the stock installers (primarily server, but 
desktop was that way last I installed one using the stock installer).


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Re: Ubuntu and ext4 file system

[John Richard Moser]

Chris Jones wrote:
> When is Ubuntu going to support ext4 file system?
> 
> Will it make it into Feisty Fawn final build?
> 
> Chris Jones
> 
> 

A better question:  What features of ext4 make it so much better than ext3?

 * Allocate on Flush (faster, less fragmentation)
 * Extents (faster, less fragmentation)
 * Larger file systems (32TiB vs 1024PiB)

It seems that you can activate ext4 and mount an ext3 file system
WITHOUT '-o extents' and utilize the Allocate-on-Flush algorithm without
actually changing the on-disk format grammar.

You can add extents by using 'mount -o extents', but you can no longer
mount the file system as ext3 after this.  As a side effect, if (as Matt
said) the on-disk format changes, you need to backup/restore to upgrade
your kernel.

You can utilize the >32TiB size only by reformatting.  Same concern as
Matt said.

When ext4 comes along, it may be safe for you to activate it and take
advantage of its ext3-compatible operation; then again, you may want to
hold until it's official.  This is a decision only you can make; you are
playing with your data, MAKE BACKUPS.

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[RFC] ShipIt CD-RW

[John Richard Moser]

I've been thinking on ShipIt CDs and the problems with getting them out
taking so long.  I could give a long-winded essay; but I'm dealing with
people here, so I'll give brief points and you can comment.

Summary of the problem:

  o ShipIt CDs take too long to get out to users, often times weeks or
months.

  o Ubuntu release cycle spans 6 months; ShipIt CDs become a waste of
material after this point for many users.


Solutions that fail:

  o ShipIt ships faster:  More resources, more expense, more stress on
Canonical.

  o ShipIt preorders:  We still have to wait until release before we can
expect anyone to start pressing anything.  The same back-ups arise.

  o Longer release cycles:  Too drastic, and marketing fluff.


The proposed solution:

  I propose we ship Ubuntu ShipIt CDs on CD-RWs.  This would allow users
  to order ShipIt CDs during the Alpha/Beta cycles and up-burn as
  necessary.  Further, ShipIt CDs could be dual-branded for reuse in the
  next release cycle.

  o ShipIt can ship CD-RWs during the development cycle.  These CD-RWs
would use special ShipIt-RW art, indicating the disc utilizes CD-RW
storage to house the Ubuntu Operating System.

  o ShipIt-RW artwork would contain multiple brands, each with a check
box by it.  The next three releases would appear; so during the
Feisty development cycle, brands for 7.04, 7.10, and 8.04 would
appear.  Alternately, in case of flexible releases (as with Dapper),
the branding "Yv1" and "Yv2" (Y for Year) could replace exact
version numbers; so Feisty would be 7v1 and Feisty+1 would be 7v2.

  o ShipIt-RW artwork would display multiple release levels, including
   "Alpha" and "Beta" paired with 1-5.  Again, these sit next to check
   boxes.

  o A write-in box would allow for ShipIt-RW labeling as "Slipstreamed"
(rebuilt with all patches) or a future version.

  o ShipIt-RW packs could ship with an erasable marker; eraser fluid
   (sponge-bottle of water); and eraser (cloth).  This would facilitate
   rebranding by reburning a different release.

  o Canonical could ship ShipIt-RW CDs blank, unlabeled, allowing
recipients to burn as needed.

I believe the above proposals leave enough room for discussion to come
to a useful and unique solution.  I will leave this open for discussion,
as I am curious to see if anyone else would enjoy dev-cycle rewritable
CDs from ShipIt, and if anyone has a nice solution on how to do this right.

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Fwd: Bug 114503

[Richard A. Johnson]

#NOTE: I sent this to the kubuntu-devel list initially, and was informed I 
should I have CC'd this list. Thanks.
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/114503

This is an annoying little sucker and I wanted some input on this. It would be 
rather simple to fix actually.

Here is the depends for the language-support-fi (this goes for all 
language-support-*):

Depends: mozilla-firefox-locale-fi-fi, openoffice.org-l10n-fi, 
thunderbird-locale-fi, tmispell-voikko, libenchant-voikko, 
openoffice.org-voikko, openoffice.org-hyphenation
Recommends: language-pack-fi

Here are the depends for mozilla-firefox-locale-fi-fi:

Depends: firefox | language-support-fi
Conflicts: firefox (<< 1.99), firefox (>> 2.0.999)

Here are the depends for thunderbird-locale-fi:

Depends: mozilla-thunderbird | language-support-fi
Conflicts: thunderbird (<< 1.4.99), thunderbird (>> 1.5.z999)

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Wouldn't it make sense to make the Firefox and Thurnderbird locale packages to 
Suggest: Firefox and Thunderbird instead of depending on them? With it 
depending on the, people are getting Firefox and Thunderbird when isntalling 
their locales. This isn't right :/

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Re: Configuring for use of gpg-agent by default for Gutsy

[Richard A. Johnson]

On Sunday 01 July 2007, Scott Kitterman wrote:
[snip]
| If the string is set and gnupg-agent is not installed, pgp
| signing/encryption still works.  All that happens is gnupg prints a warning
| that no running agent can be found, but it happily asks for a passphrase
| using the normal CLI interface.

I can verify there is no issue having the agent set in gpg.conf and not having 
the agent installed. I copy my ~/.gnupg from computer to computer and have 
never installed the agent on those other machines. I have been doing it like 
this on my dev boxes now for over a year. The reason I didn't install the 
agent in the past is because it conflicted with debuild/debsign, and after 
talking to Scott in #ubuntu-motu just now, I tested this on my Gutsy box and 
it is the first time in over a year that debsign -S -sa didn't complain about 
my GPG key or password. It worked, which made me happy, no more typing 
the -k2e2c0124.

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Software spoilage

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I found a very interesting read on the Internet today and think that
developers and end users alike could benefit from reading through it.
It's not that long, it's not even formal; but it hits a core point about
software.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000973.html

Something to think about as software evolves.  Windows 95 installed on
200MB of space, while Vista eats several gigs.  Ubuntu needs about 2
gigs but has far more features than either of those; yet in those 2 gigs
we find programs like OpenOffice.org and Firefox, where we might wonder
why they eat so much space or take a minute to load on today's fast
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mod_security stuff

[John Richard Moser]

Hello.  I blogged this one so you can pick up the gist of it below. 
Otherwise skip the link, read the e-mail.

http://blackfiber.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/cant-redistribute-mod_security-binaries/

The long and short of this is that mod_security has a license conflict 
with Apache in that the source is all GPL, but when compiled against 
Apache license (APL) headers it becomes a derivative work of Apache 
licensed sources (APL headers + GPL source files => compiler => output).

Problem is you can't distribute the output of the GPL source under APL; 
you can't distribute the output of the APL source under GPL.  A more 
farther reaching problem is that some other modules (I've seen mod_ssl 
pointed out) link with GPL code or contain GPL code and reach the same 
conflict (but nobody cares), at least according to comments on Lauchpad 
bug #19832.

What we have for options as a whole comes down to two things:

  - Convince the Apache developers to relicense the Apache headers
related to module API to MIT*, so that anyone can distribute any
Apache module under any license in source or binary form.

  - Use the known Apache module API to re-write the Apache headers from
scratch under MIT license,

In either case, closed source modules also become possible.  Anyone 
closing a GPL'd or APL'd module (mainly my concern is Breach closing 
mod_security) might cause an XFree86/Xorg style fiasco, where someone 
just picks off the latest dev sources and picks the project up full open 
source; then again maybe nobody cares except a few people that can't do 
so (remember, Xorg is half of XFree86's team, the talent and time were 
there already).

In the case of mod_security, Breach intentionally created the conflict 
itself for undisclosed business reasons; cleaning this up will irritate 
Breach Security.  In the case of Apache Software Foundation, relicensing 
the headers may not align to their philosophical view of how Apache 
modules should be licensed; releasing an Apache header rewrite to 
circumvent their strategic licensing will irritate them as well.

mod_security is extremely useful.  Ideally one of a number of things 
happens:

  * The license issue gets solved and Breach takes it as it comes,
continuing their support business model.  If the end user can't
compile from source he can't configure mod_security; I want it
PACKAGED so I don't have to manually track SECURITY FIXES.  I have no
qualms with Breach themselves and actually this is probably the best
scenario.

  * Licensing issue does get solved, but Breach freaks out and retaliates
via closing the mod_security source.  Someone snatches up the latest
development branch, and the Apache Software Foundation continues
developing their fork as an official Apache subproject.  Breach sees
the error in judgment and winds up supporting the official Apache
distributable as it branches farther away from theirs, and eventually
supplies developers and code to re-merge with the new project.

  * License issue does not get solved, and the Apache foundation creates
a competing module to distribute with Apache HTTP Server's core
distribution.  (I'm tempted, worst case scenario)

Of course we don't live in an ideal world so a lot of stuff that would 
be great probably won't happen.  Still, I'm putting the idea out there 
for comment.


*BSD sits on unstable legal grounds as per random analysis brought up by 
people who seem to have just figured this out for themselves from time 
to time.  MIT does the same thing people like to think BSD does; I like 
to avoid the whole dispute by just saying MIT.

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Re: Missing an up-to-date application stream

[John Richard Moser]

raeez wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I was recommended by a few people to bring the following bug to the
> attention of this list:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/148976
> 
> I have ideas on how we could go about implementing this, but I would
> also love to receive feedback on whether what I've proposed is likely to
> be made a priority in the long run.

I've seen GrumpyGroundhog mentioned, along with one I came up with 
before someone mentioned Grumpy to me >_>

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/GrumpyGroundhog

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bleeding-edge

Grumpy seems to dip in a lot to "latest development snapshot" and CVS 
stuff; I'm specifically interested in "latest release" and a user-driven 
QA process.  Aside from that these are the same thing.

> 
> yours sincerely
> 
> blue|palm
> C/C++ dev
> 
> 
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Re: mod_security stuff

[John Richard Moser]

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Isn't GPL v3 APL compatible?  Are we talking GPL v2, GPL v3, or GPL v2 and 
> later?

GPLv2 only.

> 
> Scott K
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Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction

[John Richard Moser]

Anthony Bryan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an
> XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file
> (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery
> (checksums) and other stuff.

Bittorrent.

> 
> It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't have to
> manually try a bunch of servers that could be down, can use local
> mirrors first, and can repair downloads (very useful for large files
> like ISOs).

Bittorrent.

> 
> About 15 download managers & P2P apps support it so far, including
> aria2 (in the Ubuntu repos), DownThemAll! (Firefox extension), KGet2
> (part of KDE4), and popular DMs on Windows and OS X like GetRight,
> Free Download Manager, Orbit, wxDownload Fast, Speed Download, and
> TheWorld web browser.

You have to download something you don't already have.  Download bittorrent.

> 
> Wubi, the Ubuntu Windows installer, Ubuntu Greece and Indonesia use
> them as well. Over 20 other distros use Metalink, along with
> OpenOffice.org, cURL, and LugRadio.
> 
> Metalinks for Ubuntu 7.10 are at http://www.metalinker.org/samples/ubuntu/
> 
> Here's part of what one looks like:
> 
>
> Linux-x86
> 729608192
> 
>  d2334dbba7313e9abc8c7c072d2af09c
> 
> 
>   location="ro"
>preference="90">
>
> http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ubuntulinux.org/releases/.pool/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
>   
>   location="jp"
>preference="100">
>
> http://ftp.yz.yamagata-u.ac.jp/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/.pool/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
>   
>   location="us"
>preference="90">
>http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ubuntu/.pool/ubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
>   
> 
>
> 
> 
> PS - Great work on Gutsy, it's very nice :)
> 

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Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction

[John Richard Moser]

Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> John Richard Moser escribió:
>>
>> Anthony Bryan wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have you thought about using Metalinks for your ISO downloads? It's an
>>> XML format used by download apps, and contains the ways to get a file
>>> (mirrors/P2P) along with info for automatic error detection/recovery
>>> (checksums) and other stuff.
>>
>> Bittorrent.
>>
>>> It makes things simpler for the user, since they don't have to
>>> manually try a bunch of servers that could be down, can use local
>>> mirrors first, and can repair downloads (very useful for large files
>>> like ISOs).
>>
>> Bittorrent.
>>
> 
> I usually get slow speeds on BitTorrent. I download via HTTP (using 
> multiple mirrors) and then seed the torrent for the rest.
> 

OK, I had issues with bittorrent recently.  Changing my tune.

Yeah let's go for this.

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Re: Easier and more reliable ISO downloads, with error correction

[John Richard Moser]

Caroline Ford wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 17:14 -0500, Phillip Susi wrote:
>> Caroline Ford wrote:
>>> Some ISPs block bittorrent of course. Vodafone UK is one of them. I had
>>> great problems downloading openoffice.org for windows as they *only* use
>>> bittorrent as a distribution mechanism. 
>> You should browbeat such an ISP, not cave in to their draconian will. 
>> Vigorously complain and if they do not stop, take your business 
>> elsewhere.  Giving in and using http instead just encourages them to 
>> continue to think that they can screw you over any way they want.
>>
> We have 12 month contracts... They don't tell you they block it until
> you have it installed. It's not giving in, they really don't care. 
> 

I'd imagine the UK doesn't have something like the SEC or BBB to tell 
them they're not allowed to false advertise or omit important details 
about provided service.  Guess it's like Japan, where you can get F-Cups 
(cookies that advertise that 100% of the
contained fat goes straight to your boobs).

> You'd choose MS Office over a program you can only get via bittorrent?
> Those were almost my choices
> 
> Caroline
> 
> 

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

[Richard A. Johnson]

On Thursday 06 December 2007, Kevin Fries wrote:
| This was sent to me personally, and it has comments directed to others
| in the group... Therefore, I assume it was meant for the group at large.

Thanks Kevin, sorry about that. I must have hit the wrong reply button.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Appropriateness of posts to this list (Was Re: evince crash)]

[Richard A. Johnson]

olutions 
(mainly drivers and codecs) to make the customer happy, and by doing this the 
majority of distro developers aren't aiming their efforts in helping the 
advancement of free solutions.

I can go on about this forever. You are right when you say the customer is #1, 
and this is of course, like I said, the golden rule of business, a money 
making business. The tide is different when a great majority of your workers 
are providing their time, knowledge, and everything else for absolutely free 
(there are the exceptions of course, people like me who enjoy the freeness I 
have by using a free operating system). A month or so back Scott and I had a 
similar conversation in IRC and I was upset about it, but after sitting back 
and thinking about it, I can see his point and understand it. We all have our 
egos and that's what makes all of us unique. We are all customers of our own 
creations, so making us happy should also be an important rule. If we aren't 
happy, then nobody will be happy. So unlike a typical business, their has to 
be some give-and-take with the free software community, at least a happy 
medium. So far it has worked for Ubuntu as well as many other distrobutions.

Scott, I do have a problem with the document you linked to about asking smart 
questions. Most of the answers I have seen in there are stupid answers or 
stupid solutions. I was always raised with the idea that there isn't a such 
thing as a stupid question, and I believe that. Just because most of us know 
to Google this or that, or know how to find solutions, that doesn't mean that 
every Tom, Dick, and Harry does. I have a professor who has multiple degrees 
(Bachelors (couple of them), Masters (up there with those too), and PhDs), 
yet he asks his students for help researching information online because he 
isn't as savvy as some of the students, that doesn't make any of his 
questions stupid. I say burn that smart questions document, as it is 
obviously from the 90s with the "STFW" and "RTFM" type assessments. Its a 
miracle that the community has survived through all of that stuff and not 
driven more people away.

OK,  :)

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vmware wireless

[John Richard Moser]

VMware doesn't work with bridged networking if you have wireless.

Is it possible to create a virtual ethernet device which aliases to the 
wireless device and make that bridge?  And can this get rolled into the 
start-up script for vmware-server .
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Re: vmware wireless

[John Richard Moser]

Thomas Novin wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 16:05 -0500, John Richard Moser wrote:
>> VMware doesn't work with bridged networking if you have wireless.
>>
>> Is it possible to create a virtual ethernet device which aliases to the 
>> wireless device and make that bridge?  And can this get rolled into the 
>> start-up script for vmware-server .
> 
> Use NAT and you're home free..
> 

nmap with arp ping, or hosting a server, or a host of other things?


> Rgds
> 
> 
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Encrypted volume interaction with Windows...

[John Richard Moser]

In Gutsy, the alternate installer can now create encrypted LVM layouts 
(but with no fancy manipulation tools...).  I am now curious about 
interoperability with Windows for encrypted external drives.

External hard disks and flash drives using NTFS or FAT32 work in Linux 
or Windows now.  The FreeOTFE program allows Windows to access a LUKS 
partition (NOT LVM) as well.  Logically, it would help users with 
encryption needs to have a tool in GNOME to create LUKS-encrypted USB 
flash or hard drives, and request/change the key (file?  Or just 
password?) when gnome-volume-manager detects them.

I think this would be very interesting to users sharing private data 
between Windows and Linux.  Truecrypt is a pain (all command line 
stuff), and Linux supports LUKS anyway.  With LUKS on Linux and FreeOTFE 
accessing the LUKS partitions on Windows, users can easily share data 
via removable drives.

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Re: Encrypted volume interaction with Windows...

[John Richard Moser]

Fabian Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> 
> John Richard Moser wrote:

>>
>> External hard disks and flash drives using NTFS or FAT32 work in Linux 
>> or Windows now.  The FreeOTFE program allows Windows to access a LUKS 
>> partition (NOT LVM) as well.  Logically, it would help users with 
>> encryption needs to have a tool in GNOME to create LUKS-encrypted USB 
>> flash or hard drives, and request/change the key (file?  Or just 
>> password?) when gnome-volume-manager detects them.
>>

>>
> Accoding to their website, Explore2fs supports LVM2:
> http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
> 
> Once LVM2 is accessible/readable, then you need to setup the additional 
> layer of tool(s) for enc/decryption of the volume. I am not familiar 
> with the newer encrypted LVM layouts but I thought this may be the right 
> path to follow.
> 

Why LVM a 4GB USB flash drive (or even a 500GB USB hard drive)? 
Although I can see the argument if you (for some reason) put a FAT drive 
inside the LVM.

LVM uses LUKS encryption.  Once you can read the raw partition as normal 
in Windows, FreeOTFE (Open source) will let you mount a LUKS device if 
you have a PASSWORD (not key file.. ugh, kick them for that) for it.  So 
in theory, yes, once Windows can read LVM2, it can also get at the 
encrypted disk if you have the password.

In the case of Ubuntu, though, it works opposite what you said.  The 
whole LVM has one password; as I understand, it's a LUKS volume with LVM 
inside the encrypted space, not an LVM with LUKS partitions.  So yeah, 
FreeOTFE first, then Explore2fs (if it works as advertised... I haven't 
looked).

Of course, for most cases, why not just encrypt the disk as a disk or 
partition on a removable hard disk?  LVM even on a huge USB disk doesn't 
make sense to me...

> Let us know what you find out.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Fabian
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Encrypted volume interaction with Windows...

[John Richard Moser]

Thorsten Sick wrote:
> Hello List
> 
> Am Montag, den 17.12.2007, 11:49 -0500 schrieb John Richard Moser:
>> In Gutsy, the alternate installer can now create encrypted LVM layouts 
>> (but with no fancy manipulation tools...).  I am now curious about 
>> interoperability with Windows for encrypted external drives.
>>
>> External hard disks and flash drives using NTFS or FAT32 work in Linux 
>> or Windows now.  The FreeOTFE program allows Windows to access a LUKS 
>> partition (NOT LVM) as well.
> 
> For data-exchange media I would suggest something that runs on windows
> out-of-the box (and on ubuntu of course).
> Either automatically put a driver for windows in a non-encrypted part or
> use something like the truecrypt traveller mode.
> 

truecrypt installs drivers in traveler mode.  So does FreeOTFE in 
portable mode.  FreeOTFE can read Linux LUKS partitions (which is what 
dm-crypt uses).

Truecrypt does not run on windows out of teh box.  If you're not 
administrator level, you can't use it.  Same with FreeOTFE.

> A user having encrypted data on a usb memory stick wants to use them on
> about 99% of the computers he works with. If this is not possible, the
> user will not encrypt at all.
> 

So, they have the same ability on Windows with LUKS or truecrypt, and 
better on Linux with LUKS.

>>  Logically, it would help users with 
>> encryption needs to have a tool in GNOME to create LUKS-encrypted USB 
>> flash or hard drives, and request/change the key (file?  Or just 
>> password?) when gnome-volume-manager detects them.
> 
> Maybe automatically ask the user if he wants to encrypt the volume or
> parts of it as soon as he attaches a new and empty usb device (stick or
> external hd)
>

Every time he attaches it?  "Do you want to destroy all data on this?" 
That's like asking to format a disk every time it's put in!

> My two cent
> Thorsten Sick
>> I think this would be very interesting to users sharing private data 
>> between Windows and Linux.  Truecrypt is a pain (all command line 
>> stuff), and Linux supports LUKS anyway.  With LUKS on Linux and FreeOTFE 
>> accessing the LUKS partitions on Windows, users can easily share data 
>> via removable drives.
>>
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GNOME not mounting encrypted drives

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GNOME asks me for a password when I put in an encrypted LUKS USB stick, 
but then doesn't mount it.  It does map it properly in /dev/mapper/

... HAL bug?
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Re: Encrypted volume interaction with Windows...

[John Richard Moser]

Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> On Dec 19, 2007 9:33 AM, John Richard Moser <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> 
>  > Maybe automatically ask the user if he wants to encrypt the volume or
>  > parts of it as soon as he attaches a new **and empty** usb device
> (stick or
>  > external hd)
>  >
> 
> Every time he attaches it?  "Do you want to destroy all data on this?"
> That's like asking to format a disk every time it's put in!
> 
> 
> Note the emphasis on "and empty."  There'd be no data to destroy.
> 

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Nexuiz etc LiveCD -- how far can hardware detection go?

[John Richard Moser]

How far can Ubuntu's hardware autoconfiguration go?  How far does 3D
support work in Linux now?  Joysticks/mice/etc?

One fascinating idea I've had for a while was to turn a PC into a gaming
console.  I hear a lot of "Windows runs my games" and "I have a high-end
gaming PC" these days.  Why not burn a game onto a DVD or CD, with
Ubuntu, with the configuration set up so it boots and finds a USB drive
or hard drive and lets you pick where to save config/games to?

This is just an off-the-cuff thought, but what about a release LiveCD
that really does boot up Nexuiz or something on boot, and shut it down
when you exit?  Fast shutdown:  remount all r/w drives as read-only, run
sync, wait 3 seconds, then flat out halt the system.  What about a boot
menu that picks the game (read /proc/cmdline) for you?  No Gnome, no
Fluxbox, no stripped UI.  Just load up X, have it use the game as the WM.

During boot, list drives found (list "initialized drives" with a
specific config file on them first) that may have configuration data
(i.e. wireless networks, save games, hardware settings...).  Allow
reconfiguration, including picking a wifi network, or such.  Aside from
that, pretty much "Pick profile.  Configure? [No]  Launching game..."

Feasible?  Interesting?  Challenging?  Likely to expose new and
interesting design considerations for general desktop OSes?  Any
thoughts or comments at all?


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Re: us.archive.ubuntu.com

[Richard A. Johnson]

On Thursday 08 May 2008, Joe Terranova wrote:
| Are there problems with us.archive.ubuntu.com , or does it seriously
| need an upgrade?
| Every new version, it's unusable for weeks -- as of today, it's still
| unusable. I'm tired of having to change my sources.list to a different
| country every time there's a new version.
|
|
| Cheers,
| Joe Terranova

I get that with us.archive, ca.archive, or just archive right now.

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Nexenta as a subproject of Ubuntu?

[John Richard Moser]

Nexenta seems based on Dapper right now, and I have to ask myself why.
I would think it more apt for Ubuntu to give the developers a build
server environment, and leave the kernel as another arch
(gnu-solaris-x86, gnu-solaris-x86_64 ...).  Ubuntu's current devs focus
on GNU/dpkg/Xorg/Gnome/Linux integration rather than
BSD/rpm/kDrive/Enlightenment/Darwin integration, so fine go for it.

I'm just saying, you know.  GNU/dpkg/Xorg/Gnome/Linux handled by
Ubuntu's current devs, GNU/dpkg/Xorg/Gnome/solaris is close and only
requires work on the tools focused around keeping a Solaris system up.
Besides that it's the same system.  You could have
GDXG{freebsd,openbsd,dragonflybsd,minix3,darwin} if you wanted.

(For the record, I'd like to see Dragonfly's kernel in use on an
Ubuntu-ite, but that's me)


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Re: making deals with M$

[Richard A. Johnson]

On Saturday 07 June 2008, Mark Fink wrote:
[...]
| Just like OpenSuSE != Novell, but no one in their right mind would
| want to run that distro due to the taint for the same reason!

Anybody in their uneducated right mind probably. I run openSUSE and run it 
happily I might add. Lets take a breath here and step back from the FUD button 
on your keyboard.

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