Browser chat (was Re: about empathy as the default IM application)
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 3:31:09 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote: > What about Midori instead of Epiphany? I have yet to see a chart comparing > the two, but from what i've read, Midori is much better, and i've been using > it as my main browser for a while now. I've only used the Hardy version...that was not a good snapshot. The thing I'd be most concerned with (because I hit it with Arora) is that some of these applications make up their own keyboard shortcuts if they're not actually working with the DE's upstreams. I think that since Epiphany is actually GNOME, they have the standard keyboard shortcuts. I don't recall if Midori did or not... -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Browser chat (was Re: about empathy as the default IM application)
Wow, yeah that was a long time ago...definitely grab the newest version using the WebKit and Midori PPAs. It's really great and it's GNOME too. I find it to be much faster and sleeker than Epiphany, and seems to have more features. IMHO, it's just designed better. It is certainly not ready to take on Firefox, but in the long term, it certainly could. I would encourage everyone to give it a shot using the newest version Midori (or Epiphany) vs. Firefox What would Midori need to replace Firefox? It has plugin support, so let's forget about the number of actual plugins (similar to Empathy vs Pidgin, it would be unreasonable to expect that gap to close before we make a change), since the major ones seem to have been ported. What does Firefox have that Midori doesn't which keeps it from being the default browser in Ubuntu? (Let's also forget for this discussion that Epiphany is the default for GNOME and pretend that Midori just replaced it) On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 15:38, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: > On Wednesday 17 June 2009 3:31:09 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote: > > What about Midori instead of Epiphany? I have yet to see a chart > comparing > > the two, but from what i've read, Midori is much better, and i've been > using > > it as my main browser for a while now. > > I've only used the Hardy version...that was not a good snapshot. The thing > I'd be most concerned with (because I hit it with Arora) is that some of > these > applications make up their own keyboard shortcuts if they're not actually > working with the DE's upstreams. I think that since Epiphany is actually > GNOME, they have the standard keyboard shortcuts. I don't recall if Midori > did or not... > > -- > Mackenzie Morgan > http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com > apt-get moo > > -- > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss > > -- http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Browser chat (was Re: about empathy as the default IM application)
2009/6/17 Danny Piccirillo : > Wow, yeah that was a long time ago...definitely grab the newest version > using the WebKit and Midori PPAs. It's really great and it's GNOME too. I > find it to be much faster and sleeker than Epiphany, and seems to have more > features. IMHO, it's just designed better. It is certainly not ready to take > on Firefox, but in the long term, it certainly could. > I would encourage everyone to give it a shot using the newest version > Midori (or Epiphany) vs. Firefox > What would Midori need to replace Firefox? It has plugin support, so let's forget about the number of actual plugins (similar to Empathy > vs > Pidgin, it would be unreasonable to expect that gap to close before we make a change), > since the major ones seem to have been ported. What does Firefox have that > Midori doesn't which keeps it from being the default browser in Ubuntu? > (Let's also forget for this discussion that Epiphany is the default for > GNOME and pretend that Midori just replaced it) > [...] 2009/6/17 Mackenzie Morgan : > [...] > Personally, I think Epiphany Webkit for Ubuntu and Arora for Kubuntu would be > *great* because then the default browsers for both would render things the > same (and very well, at that). They're both light & fast, though as I > said...I still would like a way to use extensions. Does everybody think it's wise to replace Firefox as the default browser? I can understand that more lightness in a browser may be desirable, not sure I fully understand the rendering issue (could someone elaborate on that, please?), but Mozilla and FF in particular seem like such great FOSS achievements to me that they may be an important alliance for Ubuntu to maintain. Just came across this Brainstorm idea on the same topic (http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/229/), but still wading through the many comments. Regards, Evan R. Murphy -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Browser chat (was Re: about empathy as the default IM application)
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 4:56:16 pm Evan R. Murphy wrote: > not sure I fully understand the rendering issue (could > someone elaborate on that, please?), Webkit has, I believe, the fastest Javascript engine. It also has better CSS2 & CSS3 support than other rendering engines (along with a few features not yet added to CSS3), so if a web designer is doing something fancy like having a gradient or using drop-shadows, the user gets to actually see that. Firefox and others will ignore those settings on webpages. Sites still look fine (you'd have to be a little daft to make a site that doesn't at least look passable in Firefox), but they might be missing some of the eye-candy the developer tried to put in. > but Mozilla and FF in particular > seem like such great FOSS achievements to me that they may be an > important alliance for Ubuntu to maintain. That's true..."where's Mozilla?" was my mom's first Ubuntu question. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Browser chat (was Re: about empathy as the default IM application)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Danny Piccirillo wrote on 17/06/09 21:13: >... > What would Midori need to replace Firefox? It has plugin support, so > let's forget about the number of actual plugins (similar to Empathy > vs Pidgin, it would be unreasonable to expect that gap to close before > we make a change), since the major ones seem to have been ported. What > does Firefox have that Midori doesn't which keeps it from being the > default browser in Ubuntu? My personal opinion only: 1. An obvious and/or well-marketed name. 2. An obvious and/or well-marketed name. (Seriously.) 3. An icon that features a blue globe. 4. Integrated search that is easy to find and actually works. 5. A toolbar that is compact and attractive by default. 6. A bookmarks interface that is understandable by default. 7. An English translation. (Midori uses the non-existent words "Tabbar", "Navigationbar", and "Userstyles", among others.) 8. Well-presented graphs showing how much faster it is than Firefox. 9. A private browsing mode that actually works. 10. Print preview. 11~20. Equivalents, either built in or as easily-installable extensions, to the ten most popular Firefox extensions. It is possible that some of these items have been addressed since the version of Midori available in Ubuntu 9.04. But at the same time, the list of requirements to displace Firefox 3.5 would naturally be steeper than the list of requirements to replace Firefox 3.0. Cheers - -- Matthew Paul Thomas http://mpt.net.nz/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAko7cuYACgkQ6PUxNfU6ecpt/gCgmNk91NlAugsTmyzMn2lXm1eD Z/4AoIbCxa4ggAo2+IlleqggclJawS7A =v+VY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
