Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, save it, and run it through the latex command and watch it fail utterly. Could you provide an example file? I usually cut and paste tables from lyx instead of doing them by hand. Where usually means for the 5-6 tables I have done in my whole life :) Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:37:15 am Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, save it, and run it through the latex command and watch it fail utterly. Could you provide an example file? I usually cut and paste tables from lyx instead of doing them by hand. Where usually means for the 5-6 tables I have done in my whole life :) I don't use LyX myself. Ran into this when my last roommate tried it. I think the commands it used at the top were non-standard ones or something. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mackenzie Morganmaco...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 23 June 2009 10:37:15 am Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, save it, and run it through the latex command and watch it fail utterly. Could you provide an example file? I usually cut and paste tables from lyx instead of doing them by hand. Where usually means for the 5-6 tables I have done in my whole life :) I don't use LyX myself. Ran into this when my last roommate tried it. I think the commands it used at the top were non-standard ones or something. Isn't this getting too of-topic ? As cool as lyx is, it is not written in mono and depends on a tex system which makes it a bad candidate for the live-cd :/ BTW, .lyx files are not .tex files even if some parts are similar. Lyx translates them into latex before doing anything else. Thus lyx is needed to edit/compile .lyx files but they can be exported into normal tex if you need to share them with non-lyx-users. Best regards. -- Aurélien Naldi -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
Il giorno sab, 20/06/2009 alle 12.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Seeing as that's optional, yes you did. I find the copying useful since well...if it didn't copy them, it'd be like GThumb, pretending to organize my camera (not actually changing the filesystem by the way, just pretending) and not getting the images onto the computer. You'd have to manually copy all the images from the camera to the hard drive, then run GThumb/F-Spot. In that case, why are they set to start when a camera is plugged in or an SD card inserted? They'd be rather useless for the getting stuff of the camera usecase (the usecase implied by their autolaunching). That's quite the point: a simple picture viewer such as gthumb shows you a directory at a time. It's good to see my vacation pictures. F-Spot is a photo collection manager, and I do not really know which of the two is most frequently used. Regarding taking notes with tomboy in class, I think most of your classmates also use latex (I do too, eh) but it's not in the default distribution. Everyone needing latex or tomboy can install it, but our average user probably does not use both. I may be proven wrong, we do not have any data to prove facts like these. We need a way perhaps. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
2009/6/21 Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com If you're just viewing them, we've already got that. It's called Eye of GNOME (or eog), and it's been in Ubuntu for a good long time. GIve me a photo collection manager that can handle movies and I'll switch from dual booting Mac for iPhoto until then i'll just hide ;-) They were in my Japanese class going h at the linking between notes ;) Most of my computer science classmates don't know what LaTeX is / how to use it anyway (sad, yeah...). To be fair I've only used Tomboy notes to leave them out for someone else if I want them to do something on my computer. Apart from that LaTeX all the way. In my engineering math department there are 4 professors and as far as I know I'm the only undergrad using LaTeX, so sad, true. But I'm still struggling to create random figures and approximate figures during the class any point to a good app would be welcome. And as far as notes go. Latex or Emacs Org mode all the way. Back to the topic though note-taking apps on Linux are great (look well, perform well, give Linux edge over other OS at default install). But they do remind me a think that people are playing around with for a while and then give up to do real work. So I'm not fast at all if is in the Default Install it certainly doesn't make it worse. An analogy can be made with widgets and dashboards out there. They come default on Mac, Vista, KDE (plasma) but I think KDE are the only once who did right by making your actual dashboard (some what a bit in your face) and for the first time I actually started using it for widgets and stuff (I know that KDE has overlay dashboard as well). So who is up for keeping / creating a welcome note in Tomboy and making it open for the live cd users? If this has been already done than sure there would be a lot of compatability issues to switch from one to another implementation. 99% existing users that will upgrade will stay with their apps as they are, others who do clean install make dpkg-list backup anyway to install everything afresh. And the new users will not notice a difference if there is / isn't / is different note-taking app, even if they have tried Ubuntu before (because loads of things do change between the releases, I can say for sure more people notice theme changes over app changes). And the whole mono thing. can we stop being so brown about it. Qt had licensing issues in the past, Linux kernel as ship by ubuntu has binary blobs, Flash and Codecs are still not free and while mono in your opinion is not gNewSense-free it is still much better than binary blobs, flash and codecs. This issues never stopped us or Debian not ship KDE, Qt, Linux or wrap-packages for flash, or un-official official repos with codes (medibuntu debian non-free). From Human point of view as long as it is apt-getable it's fine. From development point of view developers are trying to meet the demand of the users. And one point Gnome got a note taking app (new whiz-bang feature) so we included it in the default install and it works well. Now fixing something that ain't broke is most likely gonna end up with new bugs. So far I didn't see how switching to Gnote will make Ubuntu _Better_ Isolating issue to Tomboy-Gnote does not have any affect on the Mono being or not being there (mono is currently ubuntu-desktop dependency) If on the other hand mono dependency of ubuntu-desktop is being discussed than it is completely different story and it will be very hard to do it for Karmic or Karmic+1 because it is one of the Gnome's dependencies. Just as we strive to have small delta with Debian it makes a lot of sence to have small delta with Gnome. They are one of our big upstreams. Changing default note-taking app is just too small to justify it (or one can argue too small to be noticeble) removing a core dependency IMHO is HUGE. It's hard enough to get a new dependency in Gnome and then it is assumed to be there for a long time. Look how hard their working at depreciating / removing obsolete dependencies in Gnome 3. It is very painful. (glade, bonobo and others). I strongly suggest to take this discussion to the upstream. There are loads of the Gnome mailing lists and I think there are more people there who have very good technical and UX reasons to keep tomboy in default gnome for now. I wish you all the luck pushing such or similar change in Gnome it will be an appreciated open-source contribution which will then most likely be synced to ubuntu and other distributions out there. ps. I've promised myself not to reply to this thread. Oh well we make promises to break them =) -- With best regards Dmitrijs Ledkovs (for short Dima), Ледков Дмитрий Юрьевич -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
They were in my Japanese class going h at the linking between notes ;) Most of my computer science classmates don't know what LaTeX is / how to use it anyway (sad, yeah...). Sorry, this is wildly OT, but you should show them Lyx. I am told it isn't real LaTeX (even though their web site claims it is), but the program is really elegant so it's a nice way to get introduced to it all - especially with the source view pane. There's something particularly nice about the way it just won't let you have more than one space or more than one newline and corrects such errors as you go. I'm a lazy typist (and I bet lots of CS students are), so before I knew Lyx I would have excess spacing all over the place. No longer! People who freak out over such things should find it exceptionally useful. Dylan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Sunday 21 June 2009 2:03:16 pm Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: So who is up for keeping / creating a welcome note in Tomboy and making it open for the live cd users? If this has been already done than sure there would be a lot of compatability issues to switch from one to another implementation. Tomboy does have a welcome note. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On 19/06/2009 Alan Pope wrote: 2009/6/19 Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com: And sadly, Banshee (mono) may soon be replacing Rhythmbox in Ubuntu Lets not go down that road huh? I have nothing against mono myself but in my opinion rhythmbox and gthumb cover the basic needs one may have. I sometimes wanted to use f-spot but the fact that it copies all the pics in its own folder gives an alien and feeling to it, in the sense that it seems to me the program is doing something I didn't ask for (pictures take lot of space). Regarding tomboy, I want to point out this: many times in the past, I have been told that my requests of reverting certain upgrades (e.g. the intel driver, which is currently badly broken in jaunty, even if there are hopes for karmic) are not well motivated because you got to know how frequent is the use case. That's a good excuse for everything, then: how frequent is the tomboy use case? I NEVER saw anybody using it at all. Please do not reply I use it. I know there are users, indeed. The point is, having it by default makes few sense if less than 10% uses it. So if we really wished, we could make mono optional. Even if it will surely not happen. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
F-Spot Import Was: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
2009/6/20 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it: I have nothing against mono myself but in my opinion rhythmbox and gthumb cover the basic needs one may have. I sometimes wanted to use f-spot but the fact that it copies all the pics in its own folder gives an alien and feeling to it, in the sense that it seems to me the program is doing something I didn't ask for (pictures take lot of space). In F-spot the import dialog has a check box Copy files to the Photos folder which you can turn off to prevent that behaviour. http://popey.com/~alan/Screenshot-Import.png Cheers, Al. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Saturday 20 June 2009 6:30:07 am Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: I have nothing against mono myself but in my opinion rhythmbox and gthumb cover the basic needs one may have. Agreed on Rhythmbox. Not so much on GThumb. AFAICT, it displays the images as though cataloged...and then as soon as I remove the SD card or unplug the camera, it's all undone again. It doesn't make any sense to me. I sometimes wanted to use f-spot but the fact that it copies all the pics in its own folder gives an alien and feeling to it, in the sense that it seems to me the program is doing something I didn't ask for (pictures take lot of space). Seeing as that's optional, yes you did. I find the copying useful since well...if it didn't copy them, it'd be like GThumb, pretending to organize my camera (not actually changing the filesystem by the way, just pretending) and not getting the images onto the computer. You'd have to manually copy all the images from the camera to the hard drive, then run GThumb/F-Spot. In that case, why are they set to start when a camera is plugged in or an SD card inserted? They'd be rather useless for the getting stuff of the camera usecase (the usecase implied by their autolaunching). Regarding tomboy, I want to point out this: many times in the past, I have been told that my requests of reverting certain upgrades (e.g. the intel driver, which is currently badly broken in jaunty, even if there are hopes for karmic) are not well motivated because you got to know how frequent is the use case. That's a good excuse for everything, then: how frequent is the tomboy use case? Several of my classmates have asked me about it, since the linking between notes is quite useful for taking notes in class. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 12:16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: f-spot but the fact that it copies all the pics in its own folder gives an alien and feeling to it, in the sense that it seems to me the program is doing something I didn't ask for (pictures take lot of space). Seeing as that's optional, yes you did. I find the copying useful since well...if it didn't copy them, it'd be like GThumb, pretending to organize my camera (not actually changing the filesystem by the way, just pretending) and not getting the images onto the computer. You'd have to manually copy all the images from the camera to the hard drive, then run GThumb/F-Spot. In that case, why are they set to start when a camera is plugged in or an SD card inserted? They'd be rather useless for the getting stuff of the camera usecase (the usecase implied by their autolaunching). In my case, I keep all photos on a large external drive to conserve space in my home directory, and import only the thumbnails into f-spot, so I must remember to uncheck this box each time, or it copies over the full jpgs to home/tim/Photos. This would quickly wipe out my free space, and needlessly make a duplicate of each photo (I already keep backups on another system). So in my case, as with Vincenzo, it is a feature I don't like. Tim -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Tim Zakharov tzakha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 12:16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: f-spot but the fact that it copies all the pics in its own folder gives an alien and feeling to it, in the sense that it seems to me the program is doing something I didn't ask for (pictures take lot of space). Seeing as that's optional, yes you did. I find the copying useful since well...if it didn't copy them, it'd be like GThumb, pretending to organize my camera (not actually changing the filesystem by the way, just pretending) and not getting the images onto the computer. You'd have to manually copy all the images from the camera to the hard drive, then run GThumb/F-Spot. In that case, why are they set to start when a camera is plugged in or an SD card inserted? They'd be rather useless for the getting stuff of the camera usecase (the usecase implied by their autolaunching). In my case, I keep all photos on a large external drive to conserve space in my home directory, and import only the thumbnails into f-spot, so I must remember to uncheck this box each time, or it copies over the full jpgs to home/tim/Photos. This would quickly wipe out my free space, and needlessly make a duplicate of each photo (I already keep backups on another system). So in my case, as with Vincenzo, it is a feature I don't like. I happen to quite like this feature, since I use it to copy pictures off my camera and onto disk while importing them into F-Spot, and I think that ought to be a fairly common use case. I would vote against removing this feature, however perhaps the default should be to have it unchecked. Someone should talk to upstream on that. Evan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Saturday 20 June 2009 5:31:31 pm Evan wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Tim Zakharov tzakha...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 12:16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan wrote: f-spot but the fact that it copies all the pics in its own folder gives an alien and feeling to it, in the sense that it seems to me the program is doing something I didn't ask for (pictures take lot of space). Seeing as that's optional, yes you did. I find the copying useful since well...if it didn't copy them, it'd be like GThumb, pretending to organize my camera (not actually changing the filesystem by the way, just pretending) and not getting the images onto the computer. You'd have to manually copy all the images from the camera to the hard drive, then run GThumb/F-Spot. In that case, why are they set to start when a camera is plugged in or an SD card inserted? They'd be rather useless for the getting stuff of the camera usecase (the usecase implied by their autolaunching). In my case, I keep all photos on a large external drive to conserve space in my home directory, and import only the thumbnails into f-spot, so I must remember to uncheck this box each time, or it copies over the full jpgs to home/tim/Photos. This would quickly wipe out my free space, and needlessly make a duplicate of each photo (I already keep backups on another system). So in my case, as with Vincenzo, it is a feature I don't like. I happen to quite like this feature, since I use it to copy pictures off my camera and onto disk while importing them into F-Spot, and I think that ought to be a fairly common use case. I would vote against removing this feature, however perhaps the default should be to have it unchecked. Someone should talk to upstream on that. Or put it in the Preferences dialog. There's a section about importing photos already. So add default to copying photos and then that'd decide whethere that checkbox is checked or not by default in the dialog. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 19:17 -0400, Hubert Figuiere wrote: Scott James Remnant wrote: One of my principal concerns would that Gnote is simply a code port of Tomboy from Mono to C++, with little development of its own. This means that should the maintainer tire of converting C# to C++, the project could quite quickly die. Like any other project it could die with lost of interest. But I find it is very dishonnest to use that as a valid reason to dismiss any package, even more since it is hosted on gnome.org, where the bus factor is limited to the knowledge of the developer rather than access to the whole codebase and bug tracking. That as maybe, but I find it is very worrying to dismiss a different package because it is written in the wrong language. Don't forget the question wasn't whether to add Gnote, the question was whether to replace Tomboy with Gnote. What does Gnote have/do that Tomboy doesn't? Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 7:17:43 pm Hubert Figuiere wrote: [ I'm not subscribed to the list ] I feel obligated to give answers to the questions and affirmations that have been made about Gnote in this thread. I apologize for the breaking the threading. Mackenzie Morgan wrote: On Tuesday 16 June 2009 11:32:43 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote: Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. OK, details on feature lacking: No plugin architecture That's inaccurate. Addins were introduced in 0.2.0 released April 22nd. Ah, alright. I mustn't have tried that version then. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
Il giorno ven, 19/06/2009 alle 09.32 +0100, Scott James Remnant ha scritto: Don't forget the question wasn't whether to add Gnote, the question was whether to replace Tomboy with Gnote. What does Gnote have/do that Tomboy doesn't? It does not use mono; I think the only two applications that use mono in the default installation are tomboy and f-spot, and some people do not like having mono in the default install for various reasons. YMMV. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
And sadly, Banshee (mono) may soon be replacing Rhythmbox in Ubuntu On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 14:01, Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it wrote: Il giorno ven, 19/06/2009 alle 09.32 +0100, Scott James Remnant ha scritto: Don't forget the question wasn't whether to add Gnote, the question was whether to replace Tomboy with Gnote. What does Gnote have/do that Tomboy doesn't? It does not use mono; I think the only two applications that use mono in the default installation are tomboy and f-spot, and some people do not like having mono in the default install for various reasons. YMMV. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
2009/6/17 Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com: Let's all refrain from a mono flamewar. 2009/6/19 Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com: And sadly, Banshee (mono) may soon be replacing Rhythmbox in Ubuntu Lets not go down that road huh? Al. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
May I quickly point out that lots of users' feedback in the realm of ooh, Gnote is faster than Tomboy is entirely based on the Tomboy shipped with 9.04 or earlier? There have been many speed improvements since then both in Tomboy and (as usual) the Mono runtime. Dylan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
As it stands now switching to Gnote will be a regression without a single added user feature (note majority of the users are not measuring their memory usage nor notice a 30MiB difference in the used hardware size in /usr/ also average users do not notice small speed improvements). How faster are we talking here? Miliseconds? And better integration as in disintegration from mono? Didn't get that point. -- With best regards Dmitrijs Ledkovs (for short Dima), Ледков Дмитрий Юрьевич -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
Christopher James Halse Rogers wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:32 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Anyways, someone on the forums started a discussion about this and i was wondering what you guys on the list though. There was a surprising amount of support and quite a few people seem to have already switched to Gnote. Reasons seem to be: improved integration, similar look, faster and uses less memory, and it's smaller (and for those who care, it doesn't require mono). Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. There doesn't seem to be a lot of content here. Questions that would need to be answered: * Better integration with what? * Faster - as measured by? How much faster? Will this remain when it is feature-complete? * Less memory - again, as measured by? How much less? Will this remain when it is feature-complete? * What features does it lack? And additionally: * How responsive is upstream? * How quickly are bugs fixed? * Is upstream likely to be robust? * Security flaws? Without answers to these questions there's really nothing to discuss. If you can provide some answers to these questions, there's a discussion to be had and the tradeoffs can be weighed. Otherwise there's no data, and the discussion will revolve solely around posters objections to Mono. Somewhere in the sprawling Mono-rant thread, concerns were raised about file format compatibility between Tomboy and Gnote. Add this item to the list of things to be considered. Actually, though, the original source of these concerns seems to be http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581844, which concerns me a lot less than the overly hyped way the issue was described in that thread. Max. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:32 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Anyways, someone on the forums started a discussion about this and i was wondering what you guys on the list though. There was a surprising amount of support and quite a few people seem to have already switched to Gnote. Reasons seem to be: improved integration, similar look, faster and uses less memory, and it's smaller (and for those who care, it doesn't require mono). Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. One of my principal concerns would that Gnote is simply a code port of Tomboy from Mono to C++, with little development of its own. This means that should the maintainer tire of converting C# to C++, the project could quite quickly die. Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Scott James Remnantsc...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:32 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Anyways, someone on the forums started a discussion about this and i was wondering what you guys on the list though. There was a surprising amount of support and quite a few people seem to have already switched to Gnote. Reasons seem to be: improved integration, similar look, faster and uses less memory, and it's smaller (and for those who care, it doesn't require mono). Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. One of my principal concerns would that Gnote is simply a code port of Tomboy from Mono to C++, with little development of its own. This means that should the maintainer tire of converting C# to C++, the project could quite quickly die. Scott Add to that the fact that it isn't yet feature complete and it hasn't been around for a very long time. It should probably wait for at least Karmic+1. If it can remain smaller in any way when it reaches maturity, then I don't see why it couldn't replace Tomboy. I wouldn't hold the 'direct port' bit against it. It's an interesting way to fork. And how many forks are we shipping in Ubuntu? I can name at least Xorg, GCC, and our version of OOo. Remco -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 3:21:36 am Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: As it stands now switching to Gnote will be a regression without a single added user feature (note majority of the users are not measuring their memory usage nor notice a 30MiB difference in the used hardware size in /usr/ also average users do not notice small speed improvements). How faster are we talking here? Miliseconds? And better integration as in disintegration from mono? Didn't get that point. About a second faster startup than the Tomboy that was in Jaunty. Sandy has made speed improvements since then to...I think it was halve the startup time. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Wednesday 17 June 2009 3:56:49 am Max Bowsher wrote: Somewhere in the sprawling Mono-rant thread, concerns were raised about file format compatibility between Tomboy and Gnote. Add this item to the list of things to be considered. It's been un-WONTFIX-ed and I think he put a patch in a couple days ago to fix it. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
Let's all refrain from a mono flamewar. We all know where we stand (if you don't, look elsewhere to learn more!) and won't change anyone's opinion. Anyways, someone on the forums started a discussion about this and i was wondering what you guys on the list though. There was a surprising amount of support and quite a few people seem to have already switched to Gnote. Reasons seem to be: improved integration, similar look, faster and uses less memory, and it's smaller (and for those who care, it doesn't require mono). Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. -- http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Tuesday 16 June 2009 11:32:43 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote: Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. OK, details on feature lacking: No plugin architecture That means no syncing, no way to get LaTeX input (my issue with it--not a default plugin, but it's at least available), no monospace text (I think), nowell there are about a dozen plugins included in Tomboy, and Gnote's got none of their functionality. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 23:32 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Let's all refrain from a mono flamewar. We all know where we stand (if you don't, look elsewhere to learn more!) and won't change anyone's opinion. Anyways, someone on the forums started a discussion about this and i was wondering what you guys on the list though. There was a surprising amount of support and quite a few people seem to have already switched to Gnote. Reasons seem to be: improved integration, similar look, faster and uses less memory, and it's smaller (and for those who care, it doesn't require mono). Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. There doesn't seem to be a lot of content here. Questions that would need to be answered: * Better integration with what? * Faster - as measured by? How much faster? Will this remain when it is feature-complete? * Less memory - again, as measured by? How much less? Will this remain when it is feature-complete? * What features does it lack? And additionally: * How responsive is upstream? * How quickly are bugs fixed? * Is upstream likely to be robust? * Security flaws? Without answers to these questions there's really nothing to discuss. If you can provide some answers to these questions, there's a discussion to be had and the tradeoffs can be weighed. Otherwise there's no data, and the discussion will revolve solely around posters objections to Mono. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?
Apparently in Ubuntu the syncing feature will use Ubuntuone which can be implemented in Gnote. Don't know about the rest On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 23:42, Mackenzie Morgan maco...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 16 June 2009 11:32:43 pm Danny Piccirillo wrote: Reasons against seem to be: lacking some features. There didn't seem to be much detail on any of the points on both sides though. OK, details on feature lacking: No plugin architecture That means no syncing, no way to get LaTeX input (my issue with it--not a default plugin, but it's at least available), no monospace text (I think), nowell there are about a dozen plugins included in Tomboy, and Gnote's got none of their functionality. -- Mackenzie Morgan http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com apt-get moo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- http://www.google.com/profiles/danny.piccirillo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
