Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 11:00 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 4:51 PM, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Frankly I wasn't expecting so much resistance. Why is everyone so much > > opposed to the idea of a new ubuntu flavor ? If Ubuntu muslim edition, > > christian edition, satan , ultimate, fluxubuntu can co-exist then what's > > the problem in a new Indian edition ? > > Because you guys have failed to provide anything which is unique and > requires a new distro. What you guys are looking for is minor > modification to existing distros and this can be attained by creating > a package (most of the suggestions only require a config change) > > > > > Ubuntu is not the only linux distribution. There are other -RedHat, > > Mandriva, Debian, Gentoo ...and each has its own user base. If everyone > > started to think like this then only 1 distro would be maintained > > (*patched*), the rest would should be discarded. Infact if that was the > > case then ubuntu itself should not have started (after all debian was > > already available and ubuntu is its derivative). > > They all exist because they package things differently. There are > noticeable differences between ubuntu and debian. > > > > > Distrbution is "just" an assembly of existing software ..so how can u > > call this reinvention of wheel ? Moreover, I'm not talking of compiling > > everything from scratch but only to use fewer ubuntu packages, and > > certain modifications to make it more functional. > > > > Which modifications ? What you guys are suggesting can be atained by > extending exiting distro, so why spend so much time trying to build a > new distro, port security packages etc. > > > In any case these are my views and I'll be going ahead with these. > > Sure, no one is stopping you from creating a new distro. If you have > the time to create distro, maintain packages, troubleshoot problems, > provide support and more importantly port security packages regularly > ... > Are you game for this ? > > regards > VK > > -- > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > Yes.. By the term free I meant to say.. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobuntu http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and the whole distro should be based on only free software including the translations...(which is of course free) -- Bhavani Shankar.R https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. What matters in life is application of mind!, It makes great sense to have some common sense..! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vivek wrote: > Frankly I wasn't expecting so much resistance. Why is everyone so much > opposed to the idea of a new ubuntu flavor ? If Ubuntu muslim edition, > christian edition, satan , ultimate, fluxubuntu can co-exist then what's > the problem in a new Indian edition ? This is not resistance. This is how things work in the FOSS world. If you want people to participate in something which you call "new", prove us it is new and worth putting our time in that. Else, we know things which work and we will rather put our time on it to make it work better. Because we have been contributing to Ubuntu since Warty days, we know how mammoth a task is to maintain such a project and keep it going. We do not want to start another Ubuntu fork for just the sake of few and let it be orphaned in future. > > Ubuntu is not the only linux distribution. There are other -RedHat, > Mandriva, Debian, Gentoo ...and each has its own user base. If everyone > started to think like this then only 1 distro would be maintained > (*patched*), the rest would should be discarded. Infact if that was the > case then ubuntu itself should not have started (after all debian was > already available and ubuntu is its derivative). Ubuntu started because people felt Debian was not good enough for a not-exposed-to-linux desktop user. They wanted to make a desktop which still takes the best things of Debian but in rather a simplified your-grandma-can-use-it form. Mandrivia, Debian, Gentoo, Fedora are gaints as a project as Ubuntu is. Do you have any clue about how much of contribution goes into each of that project? How much the contributors struggle to keep them alive and updated? Do you know the "we-want-more-contributors" cry from each of the project? If you have any clue of that, you will think a dozen times before wishing to start a new distribution, even if it is a fork of something. > > Distrbution is "just" an assembly of existing software ..so how can u > call this reinvention of wheel ? Moreover, I'm not talking of compiling > everything from scratch but only to use fewer ubuntu packages, and > certain modifications to make it more functional. Distributing is not just taking bits and pieces from here and there, put it together and give it. If that's your idea about distribution, then am afraid people in this list are not even going to hear more about new distribution from you. Ubuntu is not formed from debian by just taking packages from Debian and assembling it together. We have a unique development process, which is similar yet quire different from that of Debian. If you talking about forking certain projects and creating a new Ubuntu derivative, by adding these packages instead of Ubuntu ones then please be specific about what are those, what things you do not feel good about it, can't those be done in the Ubuntu package itself? if not why? Who are the probable users of your new derivative? who is going to maintain the packages in future? what is the infrastructure to maintain them? How are you going to expose and motivate people to use your derivative than the standard Ubuntu distribution which is much more supported and has a huge user and developer base? We have been a part of Ubuntu community for long and we know what's up with such a project. Every project has shortcoming, we have to rather see how to fill it up rather than forking until and unless the project is not flexible enough to do so. IMHO, Ubuntu has always been flexible with its contributors and users. > > In any case these are my views and I'll be going ahead with these. You are welcome to and good luck. @Bhavani Shankar, I agree with your idea of a completely "Free" Ubuntu derivative, but there already exists one. But, there are few questions regarding real time state of such derivatives, especially for Indian users for whom all they want is play songs, play movies which are in prop format. How are you going to satisfy them with your "Free" distribution? If they aren't you focus, who is? - -- With Regards, Parthan aka Technofreak [GPG]:0x2FF01026 [web]:http://technofreak.in [blog]:blog.technofreak.in [photos]:photos.technofreak.in [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlWxSk4vYYS/wECYRAk1JAJ9SmAL6/98QtOiSYdz9NxFxIirNGgCcCrKC VmCuJ0UMKFQ9AxhkWzIJQg0= =78hd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 4:51 PM, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Frankly I wasn't expecting so much resistance. Why is everyone so much > opposed to the idea of a new ubuntu flavor ? If Ubuntu muslim edition, > christian edition, satan , ultimate, fluxubuntu can co-exist then what's > the problem in a new Indian edition ? Because you guys have failed to provide anything which is unique and requires a new distro. What you guys are looking for is minor modification to existing distros and this can be attained by creating a package (most of the suggestions only require a config change) > > Ubuntu is not the only linux distribution. There are other -RedHat, > Mandriva, Debian, Gentoo ...and each has its own user base. If everyone > started to think like this then only 1 distro would be maintained > (*patched*), the rest would should be discarded. Infact if that was the > case then ubuntu itself should not have started (after all debian was > already available and ubuntu is its derivative). They all exist because they package things differently. There are noticeable differences between ubuntu and debian. > > Distrbution is "just" an assembly of existing software ..so how can u > call this reinvention of wheel ? Moreover, I'm not talking of compiling > everything from scratch but only to use fewer ubuntu packages, and > certain modifications to make it more functional. > Which modifications ? What you guys are suggesting can be atained by extending exiting distro, so why spend so much time trying to build a new distro, port security packages etc. > In any case these are my views and I'll be going ahead with these. Sure, no one is stopping you from creating a new distro. If you have the time to create distro, maintain packages, troubleshoot problems, provide support and more importantly port security packages regularly ... Are you game for this ? regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
Frankly I wasn't expecting so much resistance. Why is everyone so much opposed to the idea of a new ubuntu flavor ? If Ubuntu muslim edition, christian edition, satan , ultimate, fluxubuntu can co-exist then what's the problem in a new Indian edition ? Ubuntu is not the only linux distribution. There are other -RedHat, Mandriva, Debian, Gentoo ...and each has its own user base. If everyone started to think like this then only 1 distro would be maintained (*patched*), the rest would should be discarded. Infact if that was the case then ubuntu itself should not have started (after all debian was already available and ubuntu is its derivative). Distrbution is "just" an assembly of existing software ..so how can u call this reinvention of wheel ? Moreover, I'm not talking of compiling everything from scratch but only to use fewer ubuntu packages, and certain modifications to make it more functional. In any case these are my views and I'll be going ahead with these. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Monday 21 January 2008 10:56, Vivek wrote: [some-info] I'm not a active contributor, I express my simple thoughts below. > Is there no interest in development of new > features ? new functionality (or more usable/discoverable) not found > in other ubuntu distributions ? I assume, if development has to be considered, and if one is technically inclined, one could rather, send patches for existing bugs that have remained un-patched. Ofcourse, one would have to submit them directly to the developers / people associated with the software. They probably believe in "Show me the Code" :) -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
> different wallpaper, different theme, sounds & possibly diff icon. > Different default services, different default set of installed > packages.Indian calendar + list of holidays. Claws as default client > rather than hte evolution monster... and many others. Have you seen this project page? http://ubuntu-in.org/wiki/UbuntuIndiaSystemLook > I'm not talking just abt different window manager but a better and > friendlier linux distro based on ubuntu. Im sorry, but if this is the case, then its a _totally_ new thing altogether. As Parthan clarified earlier, maintaining new packages itself is a mammoth task. Creation of a new distro altogether? Its re-inventing the wheel. But, then again, if you _do_ have the manpower, time and will to do so, you might find takers for your idea :) just my opinion! Pratul -- dum vivimus, vivamus http://pratul.in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 2:35 PM, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Jan 21, 2008 7:54 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 21, 2008 2:13 PM, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have put up couple of my ideas on the project page: > > > > > > http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Projects#Projects > > > > > > Have a look... any comments welcome.. > > > > Going by the requirement put up on the wiki, I think you should > > contact indlinux team instead. > > Also, when all the language packs/translations are available then why > > we need a different distro. We can dummy package which will force > > installation of required language packs/translations/fonts etc and > > setup the user preferred language as default, during post install > > config. > > IMHO i do not see any reason to create a new distro. > > Ubuntu packagers can shed more light into this. > > OK.. But I m looking for a free variant of ubuntu like Gobuntu...which > meets FSF's 4 freedoms.. Well if we take the package's route, then same package will work on gobuntu too. All work regarding Indian localization is already FREE (correct me if I am wrong) regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 7:54 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 2:13 PM, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have put up couple of my ideas on the project page: > > > > http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Projects#Projects > > > > Have a look... any comments welcome.. > > Going by the requirement put up on the wiki, I think you should > contact indlinux team instead. > Also, when all the language packs/translations are available then why > we need a different distro. We can dummy package which will force > installation of required language packs/translations/fonts etc and > setup the user preferred language as default, during post install > config. > IMHO i do not see any reason to create a new distro. > Ubuntu packagers can shed more light into this. > > regards > VK > -- > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > OK.. But I m looking for a free variant of ubuntu like Gobuntu...which meets FSF's 4 freedoms.. -- Bhavani Shankar.R https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. What matters in life is application of mind!, It makes great sense to have some common sense..! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 2:13 PM, Bhavani Shankar R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have put up couple of my ideas on the project page: > > http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Projects#Projects > > Have a look... any comments welcome.. Going by the requirement put up on the wiki, I think you should contact indlinux team instead. Also, when all the language packs/translations are available then why we need a different distro. We can dummy package which will force installation of required language packs/translations/fonts etc and setup the user preferred language as default, during post install config. IMHO i do not see any reason to create a new distro. Ubuntu packagers can shed more light into this. regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 6:56 PM, Vivek Khurana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 1:06 PM, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Why does it have to be India specific? Why shouldn't the rest of the > world > > > benefit from your ideas? > > > > Why can't be India specific ? Even if it is (will be) designed to be > > India specific, it's still open source - anyone can have it. > > Dear, this is what we are asking you to do. "Jot down what you think > is India specific by creating a wiki page. If you can show us that > there is considerable difference between standard *buntu distros and > your feature request, we can have a discussion on how to implement > your suggestions" > > But first tell us what is India specific ? > > regards > VK > -- > The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > I have put up couple of my ideas on the project page: http://www.ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Projects#Projects Have a look... any comments welcome.. -- Bhavani Shankar.R https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. What matters in life is application of mind!, It makes great sense to have some common sense..! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 1:06 PM, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why does it have to be India specific? Why shouldn't the rest of the world > > benefit from your ideas? > > Why can't be India specific ? Even if it is (will be) designed to be > India specific, it's still open source - anyone can have it. Dear, this is what we are asking you to do. "Jot down what you think is India specific by creating a wiki page. If you can show us that there is considerable difference between standard *buntu distros and your feature request, we can have a discussion on how to implement your suggestions" But first tell us what is India specific ? regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 17:39 +0530, Kingsly John wrote: > +++ Vivek [2008-01-21 05:54:38]: > > > Have u tried XUBUNTU ? It's touted to be lightweight alternative to > > ubuntu but my personal experience has been very different. Most of the > > time it relies on Gnome packages. Other than a different window > > manager , and thunar there's not much different between them. It's based > > on GTK2 and relies on many gnome packages. It definitely uses "less" > > resources but isn't that light. > > XFCE doesn't *depend* on any Gnome Packages, now if you need a particular > gnome package.. obviously those will depend on Gnome packages. xubuntu is more than just XFCE. Ever used xubuntu wihtout gnome-vfs ? firewall in XFCE (there's firestarter but again it has *gnome* deps)?? > > Creating a distro isn't a trivial task.. involves a LOT of overhead in > packaging/testing/QA etc... just look at the different levels of "polish" in > the various *buntu distributions itself. That simply means you're not interested. Linux mint began as an ubuntu fork. > > > Fluxbox: There's already a fluxubuntu distribution. > > > > I'm not talking just abt different window manager but a better and > > friendlier linux distro based on ubuntu. > > Why don't you list what you think is broken with Ubuntu and work with the > "official" developers to get things fixed? Did I mention anything broken ? > > Why does it have to be India specific? Why shouldn't the rest of the world > benefit from your ideas? Why can't be India specific ? Even if it is (will be) designed to be India specific, it's still open source - anyone can have it. > > Don't let imaginary lines in the sand limit your ideas. What was that for ??? > > The reason the localisation effort seems to be highlighted is because someone > from China or Brazil isn't qualified to be doing "Indian" language > translations. another reason "could" be that nobody's doing any development work. > > There are Indians contributing to Ubuntu under various roles.. I don't doubt that > but they > don't need to do it under Ubuntu-IN, why ? are they prevented from doing so ? most likely they share they vision/ideas and hence want to join the effort. > because it's more efficient to directly > work with the main developers than to work independently of them. That's untrue. A team has to share the goals in order to work efficiently. If you don't agree with the mainstream developers then it's better to branch. > > Kingsly > Are u always so cynical ? :D Cheers, Vivek > -- > --- > Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot Net -- http://kingsly.org/ > --- > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
+++ Vivek [2008-01-21 05:54:38]: > Have u tried XUBUNTU ? It's touted to be lightweight alternative to > ubuntu but my personal experience has been very different. Most of the > time it relies on Gnome packages. Other than a different window > manager , and thunar there's not much different between them. It's based > on GTK2 and relies on many gnome packages. It definitely uses "less" > resources but isn't that light. XFCE doesn't *depend* on any Gnome Packages, now if you need a particular gnome package.. obviously those will depend on Gnome packages. Creating a distro isn't a trivial task.. involves a LOT of overhead in packaging/testing/QA etc... just look at the different levels of "polish" in the various *buntu distributions itself. > Fluxbox: There's already a fluxubuntu distribution. > > I'm not talking just abt different window manager but a better and > friendlier linux distro based on ubuntu. Why don't you list what you think is broken with Ubuntu and work with the "official" developers to get things fixed? Why does it have to be India specific? Why shouldn't the rest of the world benefit from your ideas? Don't let imaginary lines in the sand limit your ideas. The reason the localisation effort seems to be highlighted is because someone from China or Brazil isn't qualified to be doing "Indian" language translations. There are Indians contributing to Ubuntu under various roles.. but they don't need to do it under Ubuntu-IN, because it's more efficient to directly work with the main developers than to work independently of them. Kingsly -- --- Kingsly At Users Dot SourceForge Dot Net -- http://kingsly.org/ --- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Jan 21, 2008 4:24 PM, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:40 +0530, Parthan SR wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Vivek wrote: > > > > > > Indian Edition means ubuntu edition made especially for India. > Wasn't > > > > difficult to answer :P. > > Sorry, still I do not get it? > > different wallpaper, different theme, sounds & possibly diff icon. > Different default services, different default set of installed > packages.Indian calendar + list of holidays. Claws as default client > rather than hte evolution monster... and many others. > > > > > IMHO, the existing ubuntu distribution isn't a very good option for > > > > people with poor net connection or old PCs. Even without any thing > nifty > > > > running, ubuntu takes about 200mb of RAM on my system. At my home, I > > > > still use an old system with 256mb RAM. I believe similar would be > the > > > > case with many households. With such mem usage, system would just > crawl. > > > > It's just a thought, but I believe that it's very important to make > > > > ubuntu a bit leaner. > > Xubuntu? > > Have u tried XUBUNTU ? It's touted to be lightweight alternative to > ubuntu but my personal experience has been very different. Most of the > time it relies on Gnome packages. Other than a different window > manager , and thunar there's not much different between them. It's based > on GTK2 and relies on many gnome packages. It definitely uses "less" > resources but isn't that light. > > Fluxbox: There's already a fluxubuntu distribution. > > I'm not talking just abt different window manager but a better and > friendlier linux distro based on ubuntu. > > > Yes, you can use Ubuntu to create your own custom distros, may > > be using WMs like fluxbox which are comparatively lighter to a GNOME or > > KDE based Ubuntu. But, at the end of the day the question is who is > > going to maintain the packages for them? > > > IMHO, we can try contributing > > to existing packages and packaging them for the latest upstream version > > than doing something like this. > > > > > Yes, I was referring to development of new as well as improvement of > > > > existing features. there's still a lot of scope for improvement in > > > > ubuntu. > > Yes sure, If you have any new idea of a cool app propose it, there will > > be some one in this list who wants to join and make it. We had some > > projects started in our team, but as we have become more and more > > occupied with our job we are not able to be active. Would you like to do > > something? Please propose, we were here to help you :) > > > > Apparently, I'm wrong - the group focuses more on promotion rather > than > > > > development. > > > > > AFAIK, we have never done any promotion till now. I am eager to know > > what made you conclude on that? > > Disclaimer: The Ubuntu India Loco team has nothing to do with the "Ubunt > > India Promoters" group in Launch Pad, as of now. > > Thanks for that clarification. > > Cheers, > Vivek > > > > - -- > > With Regards, > > Parthan aka Technofreak > > > > [GPG]:0x2FF01026 > > [web]:http://technofreak.in > > [blog]:blog.technofreak.in > > [photos]:photos.technofreak.in > > [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) > > [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFHlG+ok4vYYS/wECYRAi8/AJ4jHQvluTcR7oraC40V887NZuu/PwCeO+mU > > EzB+knP+K8CAFmwYyTw8Fug= > > =Axaa > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > > > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > Hello If you are interested in developing an Indian Edition of ubuntu ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IndubuntuTeam Looking Forward to your support.. -- Bhavani Shankar.R https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. What matters in life is application of mind!, It makes great sense to have some common sense..! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:40 +0530, Parthan SR wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Vivek wrote: > > > > Indian Edition means ubuntu edition made especially for India. Wasn't > > > difficult to answer :P. > Sorry, still I do not get it? different wallpaper, different theme, sounds & possibly diff icon. Different default services, different default set of installed packages.Indian calendar + list of holidays. Claws as default client rather than hte evolution monster... and many others. > > > IMHO, the existing ubuntu distribution isn't a very good option for > > > people with poor net connection or old PCs. Even without any thing nifty > > > running, ubuntu takes about 200mb of RAM on my system. At my home, I > > > still use an old system with 256mb RAM. I believe similar would be the > > > case with many households. With such mem usage, system would just crawl. > > > It's just a thought, but I believe that it's very important to make > > > ubuntu a bit leaner. > Xubuntu? Have u tried XUBUNTU ? It's touted to be lightweight alternative to ubuntu but my personal experience has been very different. Most of the time it relies on Gnome packages. Other than a different window manager , and thunar there's not much different between them. It's based on GTK2 and relies on many gnome packages. It definitely uses "less" resources but isn't that light. Fluxbox: There's already a fluxubuntu distribution. I'm not talking just abt different window manager but a better and friendlier linux distro based on ubuntu. > Yes, you can use Ubuntu to create your own custom distros, may > be using WMs like fluxbox which are comparatively lighter to a GNOME or > KDE based Ubuntu. But, at the end of the day the question is who is > going to maintain the packages for them? > IMHO, we can try contributing > to existing packages and packaging them for the latest upstream version > than doing something like this. > > > Yes, I was referring to development of new as well as improvement of > > > existing features. there's still a lot of scope for improvement in > > > ubuntu. > Yes sure, If you have any new idea of a cool app propose it, there will > be some one in this list who wants to join and make it. We had some > projects started in our team, but as we have become more and more > occupied with our job we are not able to be active. Would you like to do > something? Please propose, we were here to help you :) > > > Apparently, I'm wrong - the group focuses more on promotion rather than > > > development. > > > AFAIK, we have never done any promotion till now. I am eager to know > what made you conclude on that? > Disclaimer: The Ubuntu India Loco team has nothing to do with the "Ubunt > India Promoters" group in Launch Pad, as of now. Thanks for that clarification. Cheers, Vivek > > - -- > With Regards, > Parthan aka Technofreak > > [GPG]:0x2FF01026 > [web]:http://technofreak.in > [blog]:blog.technofreak.in > [photos]:photos.technofreak.in > [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) > [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHlG+ok4vYYS/wECYRAi8/AJ4jHQvluTcR7oraC40V887NZuu/PwCeO+mU > EzB+knP+K8CAFmwYyTw8Fug= > =Axaa > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Setting up local apt-get repository ? Error
On 1/18/08, Ramnarayan. K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi > > Ok my sources.list points to > deb file:media/disk/ubuntu/dvd710_1/ubuntu gutsy main > multiverse universe > > and the files Packages.gz > > /media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz > /media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz > /media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz > > are there : The location of the mirror and the path given in sources dont match. Try this line in your sources.list deb file:/media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1 gusty main multiverse universe >[Snip] > top:~$ sudo apt-get update > E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) > > the top 5 -6 lines of my sources.list looks like > # adding 7.10 material transferred from dvd to usb disk > # deb file:///media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/ubuntu/gutsy/ > main multiverse universe > > deb > file://media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz > > deb > file:///media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz > deb > file:///media/disk-1/ubuntu/dvd710_1/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz > > so what now ??? > You need to remove these lines pointing to 'Packages.gz' HTH, -Jasbir -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vivek wrote: > > Indian Edition means ubuntu edition made especially for India. Wasn't > > difficult to answer :P. Sorry, still I do not get it? > > IMHO, the existing ubuntu distribution isn't a very good option for > > people with poor net connection or old PCs. Even without any thing nifty > > running, ubuntu takes about 200mb of RAM on my system. At my home, I > > still use an old system with 256mb RAM. I believe similar would be the > > case with many households. With such mem usage, system would just crawl. > > It's just a thought, but I believe that it's very important to make > > ubuntu a bit leaner. Xubuntu? Yes, you can use Ubuntu to create your own custom distros, may be using WMs like fluxbox which are comparatively lighter to a GNOME or KDE based Ubuntu. But, at the end of the day the question is who is going to maintain the packages for them? IMHO, we can try contributing to existing packages and packaging them for the latest upstream version than doing something like this. > > Yes, I was referring to development of new as well as improvement of > > existing features. there's still a lot of scope for improvement in > > ubuntu. Yes sure, If you have any new idea of a cool app propose it, there will be some one in this list who wants to join and make it. We had some projects started in our team, but as we have become more and more occupied with our job we are not able to be active. Would you like to do something? Please propose, we were here to help you :) > > Apparently, I'm wrong - the group focuses more on promotion rather than > > development. > AFAIK, we have never done any promotion till now. I am eager to know what made you conclude on that? Disclaimer: The Ubuntu India Loco team has nothing to do with the "Ubunt India Promoters" group in Launch Pad, as of now. - -- With Regards, Parthan aka Technofreak [GPG]:0x2FF01026 [web]:http://technofreak.in [blog]:blog.technofreak.in [photos]:photos.technofreak.in [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHlG+ok4vYYS/wECYRAi8/AJ4jHQvluTcR7oraC40V887NZuu/PwCeO+mU EzB+knP+K8CAFmwYyTw8Fug= =Axaa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
FREE as in FOSS ?? that's not a very bright idea. Other than forced idealogical conflict, there' no benefit of FOSS. can't imagine using my system without any multimedia support. Vivek On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 11:28 +0530, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: > > > On Jan 21, 2008 10:56 AM, Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Namaskar to all members, > > I've just joined the mailing list in hope of being able to > offer some > help in the development of the Indian Edition of Ubuntu. > However, I've > been out of luck in finding any useful information about the > project. > There does exist a Ubuntu LoCo page but all it talks about is > adding > support for regional languages, translation ? Is that all that > is there > on the agenda ? Is there no interest in development of new > features ? > new functionality (or more usable/discoverable) not found in > other > ubuntu distributions ? > > Please enlighten me if the project is more than mere lang > support. > > Thanks > Vivek > > > > -- > ubuntu-in mailing list > ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in > > > Yes I have started it.. I thought It would be a completely FREE > variant of ubuntu with all the major language support but no sort of > response from other members of the team.. So I am busy with Ubuntu > Media Center Development and answering to peoples questions on the > anser tracker and the forums... > Cheers. > -- > Bhavani Shankar.R > https://launchpad.net/~bhavi, a proud ubuntu community member. > What matters in life is application of mind!, > It makes great sense to have some common sense..! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] What happened to ubuntu-in development ?
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 12:05 +0530, Parthan SR wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Vivek wrote: > > Namaskar to all members, > > > > I've just joined the mailing list in hope of being able to offer some > > help in the development of the Indian Edition of Ubuntu. > Welcome. But, what do you mean by Indian Edition of Ubuntu? Indian Edition means ubuntu edition made especially for India. Wasn't difficult to answer :P. IMHO, the existing ubuntu distribution isn't a very good option for people with poor net connection or old PCs. Even without any thing nifty running, ubuntu takes about 200mb of RAM on my system. At my home, I still use an old system with 256mb RAM. I believe similar would be the case with many households. With such mem usage, system would just crawl. It's just a thought, but I believe that it's very important to make ubuntu a bit leaner. > > However, I've > > been out of luck in finding any useful information about the project. > > There does exist a Ubuntu LoCo page but all it talks about is adding > > support for regional languages, translation ? Is that all that is there > > on the agenda ? > Localization and local language support is considered to be important > and an important venture for Loco Teams. > > Is there no interest in development of new features ? > > new functionality (or more usable/discoverable) not found in other > > ubuntu distributions ? > Either? A lot of our members are involved in various Ubuntu related > development and contribution. Can we know what you actually mean by > that? You mean developing new Yes, I was referring to development of new as well as improvement of existing features. there's still a lot of scope for improvement in ubuntu. > > > > Please enlighten me if the project is more than mere lang support. > The project also focuses on increasing contribution to Ubuntu, localized > support and help, etc. Hmm..I though, the idea was to make ubuntu specialised for Indians. Apparently, I'm wrong - the group focuses more on promotion rather than development. > > - -- > With Regards, > Parthan aka Technofreak > Cheers, Vivek > [GPG]:0x2FF01026 > [web]:http://technofreak.in > [blog]:blog.technofreak.in > [photos]:photos.technofreak.in > [irc]:teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net (#linux-india) > [mobile]:BLR +919845446647 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHlD0uk4vYYS/wECYRAh3MAKCAxY+2QftQSpvJQz9P80t9SzY9KwCePtOM > WkE9HyMeMks+LjbC8ic3tVQ= > =QFsy > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
