date:20100525

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:04:06PM +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
 Yes, you did a great job. Can you send some sweets  we will distribute these
 sweets on this great occasion

That was very sarcastic. Please understand the the original poster may
be a new-comer and not conversant with the generally accepted mailing
etiquettes. These comments may only drag him away from Ubuntu and other
FOSS community. Also while being on the ubuntu list, we should try to 
observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.

@shashi, Please follow the mailing list etiquettes (GIYF). It is
desirable that you describe the problem you are facing in the body of
the message. Just mentioning something you did in the subject line
serves no purpose. It seems that you wanted to reply to another post in
a thread you started regarding unicode hindi fonts. In that case, you
should have replied to the same message with your comment below the
relevant text to which you are replying.

Hope you will find the solution to your problem here.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] main ibus se hindi use karta hoon aur inscript keyword use karta hoon.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:04:06PM +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
  Yes, you did a great job. Can you send some sweets  we will distribute
 these
  sweets on this great occasion

 That was very sarcastic. Please understand the the original poster may
 be a new-comer and not conversant with the generally accepted mailing
 etiquettes. These comments may only drag him away from Ubuntu and other
 FOSS community. Also while being on the ubuntu list, we should try to
 observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.

 @shashi, Please follow the mailing list etiquettes (GIYF). It is
 desirable that you describe the problem you are facing in the body of
 the message. Just mentioning something you did in the subject line
 serves no purpose. It seems that you wanted to reply to another post in
 a thread you started regarding unicode hindi fonts. In that case, you
 should have replied to the same message with your comment below the
 relevant text to which you are replying.



The community document at
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette sums it quite
'lucidly' ;-)


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Indian Languages on Ubuntu

@Ram: Thanks a ton. That was helpfull. How do we type in Indic Languages on
a standard keyboard. Do we need to use a overlay on the keyboard to show the
various charecters or any other way.

Also whats SCIM, IBUS etc ?

Regards

Narendra Diwate




On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 23:12, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
  The posts over the past few days and a TV advert for the Indian version
 of
  Linux named BOSS have prompted me to write this query.
 
 BOSS has been around for some time its the CDAC linux version check
 out http://www.bosslinux.in/

 have never used it so no comments on that

 However on the language front.
 Actually in Ubuntu its quite easy

 The first place to choose is right at setup - where Ubuntu allows you
 to choose installation in the n number of languages (am not sre how
 many) but a fair bit of indian languages are present

  Though i know a couple of Indian languages, i have used the computer only
 in
  English like most if not all on this list and computer users in India in
  general. Though i know Ubuntu and a lot of other Linux OS's support use
 of
  Indian languages, I frankly have no Idea how to use it and to what extent
 is
  it developed.
 
 am snipping the rest of your post and will run through the mainpoints

 To install and enable additional Language support go to
 System - Administration - Language Support and go to the install /
 remove languages and then just select any (or many) of the languages
 you want and then proceed with install. After the installation is
 successful (am not sure if a reboot is required) then you will be able
 to choose your login language at the time of login.

 Thats it you are ready to रोक एण्ड़ रोल

 ***
 additional notes are below
 First choosing the language to install is quite easy (as mentioned
 first at the fresh install phase) . This choice by default will enable
 your computer to boot up in your preferred language of choice, However
 this is not final at any stage later on you can install any (repeat
 any) and any number of other languages and the the login in time one
 can choose which language to boot into (as far as i know in windows
 one must buy separate versions for different languages)

 In most of the supported languages the basic software that comes the
 menu's and interface are  much translated into the language you may
 have chosen. However not all the software has every thing translated.

 Depending on what your default keyboard choice was (which can wildly
 vary - if you want, from your language of choice) , the OS (Ubuntu)
 will keep that choice irrespective of which language you choose and
 one must choose an additional keyboards (language input) to begin
 typing in a particular language (System - Preferences --Keyboard --
 Layouts)

 In case you have already installed say english language and US english
 keyboard its just a matter of a decent net connection to install the
 additional language packs

 enjoy
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Indian Languages on Ubuntu

2010-05-25 Thread Sriranga(77yrsold)

Yes SCIM  - where phonetic keyboard layout for each lang available to
choose. SCIM is installed in ubuntu as default.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Ram: Thanks a ton. That was helpfull. How do we type in Indic Languages on
 a standard keyboard. Do we need to use a overlay on the keyboard to show the
 various charecters or any other way.

 Also whats SCIM, IBUS etc ?

 Regards

 Narendra Diwate




 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 23:12, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
  The posts over the past few days and a TV advert for the Indian version
 of
  Linux named BOSS have prompted me to write this query.
 
 BOSS has been around for some time its the CDAC linux version check
 out http://www.bosslinux.in/

 have never used it so no comments on that

 However on the language front.
 Actually in Ubuntu its quite easy

 The first place to choose is right at setup - where Ubuntu allows you
 to choose installation in the n number of languages (am not sre how
 many) but a fair bit of indian languages are present

  Though i know a couple of Indian languages, i have used the computer
 only in
  English like most if not all on this list and computer users in India in
  general. Though i know Ubuntu and a lot of other Linux OS's support use
 of
  Indian languages, I frankly have no Idea how to use it and to what
 extent is
  it developed.
 
 am snipping the rest of your post and will run through the mainpoints

 To install and enable additional Language support go to
 System - Administration - Language Support and go to the install /
 remove languages and then just select any (or many) of the languages
 you want and then proceed with install. After the installation is
 successful (am not sure if a reboot is required) then you will be able
 to choose your login language at the time of login.

 Thats it you are ready to रोक एण्ड़ रोल

 ***
 additional notes are below
 First choosing the language to install is quite easy (as mentioned
 first at the fresh install phase) . This choice by default will enable
 your computer to boot up in your preferred language of choice, However
 this is not final at any stage later on you can install any (repeat
 any) and any number of other languages and the the login in time one
 can choose which language to boot into (as far as i know in windows
 one must buy separate versions for different languages)

 In most of the supported languages the basic software that comes the
 menu's and interface are  much translated into the language you may
 have chosen. However not all the software has every thing translated.

 Depending on what your default keyboard choice was (which can wildly
 vary - if you want, from your language of choice) , the OS (Ubuntu)
 will keep that choice irrespective of which language you choose and
 one must choose an additional keyboards (language input) to begin
 typing in a particular language (System - Preferences --Keyboard --
 Layouts)

 In case you have already installed say english language and US english
 keyboard its just a matter of a decent net connection to install the
 additional language packs

 enjoy
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Re: [ubuntu-in] main ibus se hindi use karta hoon aur inscript keyword use karta hoon.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Indian Languages on Ubuntu

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 @Ram: Thanks a ton. That was helpfull. How do we type in Indic Languages on
 a standard keyboard. Do we need to use a overlay on the keyboard to show the
 various charecters or any other way.

Welcome and glad to be of some help

More Answers
1. Depending on the language you want to type in and the keyboard
options available (some languages may have more than one like Hindi
/Devnagari has Hindi Typewriter, Inscript and Bolnagari Keyboard
Layouts) you could choose to get stickers and stick them on your
keyboard. In my case i use inscript and have made a file that show me
the layout and in the meanwhile have memorized the inscript keyboard
(its quite simple one you begin using it)

If its a desktop there is space on th keys for stickers , on  a laptop
it makes it look cluttered.

(for Inscript keyboard users i can send you the keyboard file as a pdf
- i was supposed to keep in on the Ubunt wiki but have not done so so
till then who ever wants please mail me off line will send it)

Personally i prefer inscript because its intuitive and is far easier
to remember than hindi type writer (and even if you know the type
writer is a matter of a week to unlearn and relearn)


 Also whats SCIM, IBUS etc ?

Have no idea and would also like to know

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[ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

I am just reading the latest DW weekly and in it a interview they say that
deleting the contents of /usr directory will give the base system as was
installed or something close to it.

I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

What will happen if I decide to delete my the contents of the /usr dir? Now
i know i will lose the user installed apps. What else will happen? Will the
sys be still bootable and importantly usable?

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Re: [ubuntu-in] main ibus se hindi use karta hoon aur inscript keyword use karta hoon.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 02:58:56PM +0530, Narendra Diwate wrote:
 
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  Pardon my Ignorance. But what is this GEEK CODE?

hehe :D Its just trivial.
It is a way to identify yourself - the geeky way. 
Check out
http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html

This is where the rules for your 'GEEK CODE BLOCK' are laid out. Form
your geek code and let the world know about it.

And further discussions about this topic on another thread please. Or I
will be accused of hijacking the thread. ;-)


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan

On 25 May 2010 15:27, Narendra Diwate narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am just reading the latest DW weekly and in it a interview they say that
 deleting the contents of /usr directory will give the base system as was
 installed or something close to it.

 I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
 have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
 very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

 What will happen if I decide to delete my the contents of the /usr dir? Now
 i know i will lose the user installed apps. What else will happen? Will the
 sys be still bootable and importantly usable?

Deleting the usr directory will not be fatal, but your system will be
rendered unusable. usr/ does not only include user installed apps but
also the other apps which makes up your working OS (they are in the
/usr/bin). I don't recommend deleting the /usr directory to make
space. Instead try removing applications you don't need. Also,
sometimes the apt cache gets too big and should be cleaned up to free
space. You can do it manually if you know what you are doing or you
can use some app to do that like 'Computer Janitor' (preinstalled) or
I suggest 'Ubuntu Tweak' (try this).


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 03:27:00PM +0530, Narendra Diwate wrote:
 I am just reading the latest DW weekly and in it a interview they say that
 deleting the contents of /usr directory will give the base system as was
 installed or something close to it.
 
 I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
 have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
 very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.
 
 What will happen if I decide to delete my the contents of the /usr dir? Now
 i know i will lose the user installed apps. What else will happen? Will the
 sys be still bootable and importantly usable?

Ever tried booting the computer in to 'recovery mode'? AFAIK, if you
delete the contents of /usr directory, it will look very much like that
(i.e. just the command prompt and a barebones linux install - no
graphical stuff)



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

To all: This is just an academic exercise and I am not running out of space
on my HD.
So advice on the lines of unistall apps, clear apt cache, computer janitor
are already known to me.
Just keep the focus on What will happen if /usr is cleared.
Pardon me if this comes across as rough. That is just not the intention.

Regards

Narendra Diwate




On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 15:38, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan 
ashutoshrish...@gmail.com wrote:



 Deleting the usr directory will not be fatal, but your system will be
 rendered unusable. usr/ does not only include user installed apps but
 also the other apps which makes up your working OS (they are in the
 /usr/bin). I don't recommend deleting the /usr directory to make
 space. Instead try removing applications you don't need. Also,
 sometimes the apt cache gets too big and should be cleaned up to free
 space. You can do it manually if you know what you are doing or you
 can use some app to do that like 'Computer Janitor' (preinstalled) or
 I suggest 'Ubuntu Tweak' (try this).



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Mehul Ved

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just keep the focus on What will happen if /usr is cleared.

Simply enough all the programs which are in the /usr will not be
available anymore.
To know what type of data are usually stored in /usr have a look at
Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and then you can always peek into all
the files in the /usr directory of your system.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Onkar Shinde

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am just reading the latest DW weekly and in it a interview they say that
 deleting the contents of /usr directory will give the base system as was
 installed or something close to it.

 I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
 have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
 very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

You have Ubuntu desktop system installed right? That is approx 1500
packages installed. In terms of number of programs (apps/libs etc) I
would say that is at least 800.
1.8G is not 'a lot of space'. A desktop install for Ubuntu takes
around 2 GB total. Consider what all applications you get in base
install - browser, IM, email, media players, games, complete office
suite, CD/DVD burning tool, photo manager, scanning/printing out of
box, PDF reader, torrent client. Do you still think you are wasting
too much space? :-)
By the way, number of users does not affect the content in /usr. Users
have their own content in /home.


 What will happen if I decide to delete my the contents of the /usr dir? Now
 i know i will lose the user installed apps. What else will happen? Will the
 sys be still bootable and importantly usable?

bootable - perhaps
usable (from a normal users point of view) - no

/usr contains data related to almost 95% of applications. So if you
delete the content try imagining what will be state of the machine.
I am not sure why DW weekly gave advice about deleting the data form
this directory. By the way what is DW weekly?


Onkar

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Ritesh Sinha

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Narendra Diwate
narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
 To all: This is just an academic exercise and I am not running out of space
 on my HD.
 So advice on the lines of unistall apps, clear apt cache, computer janitor
 are already known to me.
 Just keep the focus on What will happen if /usr is cleared.
 Pardon me if this comes across as rough. That is just not the intention.

Interesting experiment! Could someone try this on a snapshotted VM and
let the list know?

 Regards

 Narendra Diwate




 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 15:38, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan
 ashutoshrish...@gmail.com wrote:


 Deleting the usr directory will not be fatal, but your system will be
 rendered unusable. usr/ does not only include user installed apps but
 also the other apps which makes up your working OS (they are in the
 /usr/bin). I don't recommend deleting the /usr directory to make
 space. Instead try removing applications you don't need. Also,
 sometimes the apt cache gets too big and should be cleaned up to free
 space. You can do it manually if you know what you are doing or you
 can use some app to do that like 'Computer Janitor' (preinstalled) or
 I suggest 'Ubuntu Tweak' (try this).




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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 16:44, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am just reading the latest DW weekly and in it a interview they say
 that
  deleting the contents of /usr directory will give the base system as was
  installed or something close to it.
 
  I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do
 not
  have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
  very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

 You have Ubuntu desktop system installed right? That is approx 1500
 packages installed. In terms of number of programs (apps/libs etc) I
 would say that is at least 800.
 1.8G is not 'a lot of space'. A desktop install for Ubuntu takes
 around 2 GB total. Consider what all applications you get in base
 install - browser, IM, email, media players, games, complete office
 suite, CD/DVD burning tool, photo manager, scanning/printing out of
 box, PDF reader, torrent client. Do you still think you are wasting
 too much space? :-)
 By the way, number of users does not affect the content in /usr. Users
 have their own content in /home.

 @onkar: Thanks for reply. I am using Lucid x86_64. I agree 1.8GB is not a
lot of space, just meant for apps i installed, 1.8GB is a lot (because i
thought (wrongly) /usr contains only user installed apps). Now i know even a
fresh install would have quite a lot of files in /usr.


 
  What will happen if I decide to delete my the contents of the /usr dir?
 Now
  i know i will lose the user installed apps. What else will happen? Will
 the
  sys be still bootable and importantly usable?

 bootable - perhaps
 usable (from a normal users point of view) - no

 /usr contains data related to almost 95% of applications. So if you
 delete the content try imagining what will be state of the machine.
 I am not sure why DW weekly gave advice about deleting the data form
 this directory. By the way what is DW weekly?


Distrowatch Weekly http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100524 - An
interview with NimbleX as given here
*DW: *Your operating system is based on Slackware. What sort of features
does NimbleX offer over plain Slackware?

*BR: *I like that Slackware doesn't make strange things with packages as
I've seen in some of the other distros and I like that Slackware is meant to
be a pure Linux that doesn't bring very specific tools. Thus far it has been
a very good starting base for NimbleX which works as live Linux under the
hood. The way NimbleX works means that you can't really break it. *Even if
you decide to save the changes in a file or in some other way, if you delete
the whole /usr directory, at next reboot you'll still have everything there*.
If someone chooses to save changes and overwrites important files with
something not OK, just deleting the changes will bring back a system that
worked exactly as it did when it was installed.

Is this behavior specific to Slackware/NimbleX ?


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Sarcasm Software (was main ibus se hindi use karta hoon aur inscript keyword use karta hoon.)

Hah finally something to make us even more sarcastic

***
Just what we need: sarcasm software

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On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.net wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:04:06PM +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
 Yes, you did a great job. Can you send some sweets  we will distribute these
 sweets on this great occasion

 That was very sarcastic. Please understand the the original poster may
 be a new-comer and not conversant with the generally accepted mailing
 etiquettes. These comments may only drag him away from Ubuntu and other
 FOSS community. Also while being on the ubuntu list, we should try to
 observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
 have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
 very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

 You have Ubuntu desktop system installed right? That is approx 1500
 packages installed. In terms of number of programs (apps/libs etc) I
 would say that is at least 800.
 1.8G is not 'a lot of space'. A desktop install for Ubuntu takes
 around 2 GB total. Consider what all applications you get in base
 install - browser, IM, email, media players, games, complete office
 suite, CD/DVD burning tool, photo manager, scanning/printing out of
 box, PDF reader, torrent client. Do you still think you are wasting
 too much space? :-)

 /usr contains data related to almost 95% of applications. So if you
 delete the content try imagining what will be state of the machine.
 I am not sure why DW weekly gave advice about deleting the data form
 this directory. By the way what is DW weekly?

Excuse me please the following is my /usr

/usr - 9.2 GB
/usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
/usr/lib - 2.5 GB
/usr/src - 601 MB

my entire root directory is
/dev/sda712G

am using Ultimate edition 2.5 (based on 9.10) and i laid my hands on
30 gig of repos so have tonnes installed.
 I think in the upgrade will have to be a bit rational ;-)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] main ibus se hindi use karta hoon aur inscript keyword use karta hoon.

2010-05-25 Thread narendra sisodiya

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Nitesh Mistry mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:

 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:04:06PM +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
  Yes, you did a great job. Can you send some sweets  we will distribute
 these
  sweets on this great occasion

 That was very sarcastic.



Really ? I do not thing so, I was trying to generate humor. and in Hindi
this is very common saying--  mithai batana 


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Re: [ubuntu-in] main ibus se hindi use karta hoon aur inscript keyword use karta hoon.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 07:23:17PM +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Nitesh Mistry 
 mail...@mistrynitesh.netwrote:
 
  On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 01:04:06PM +0530, narendra sisodiya wrote:
   Yes, you did a great job. Can you send some sweets  we will distribute
  these
   sweets on this great occasion
 
  That was very sarcastic.
 
 
 
 Really ? I do not thing so, I was trying to generate humor. and in Hindi
 this is very common saying--  mithai batana 

I am very sure you didn't think so or meant so. You may have only tried
to bring some humor but from the third person perspective, it looked
sarcastic and may be even the original poster might have felt a little
humiliated.

Lets close this topic, I apologise if my words made you feel humiliated.
And let us try help the fellow looking for solutions.

:-)


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications


 Excuse me please the following is my /usr

 /usr - 9.2 GB
 /usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
 /usr/lib - 2.5 GB
 /usr/src - 601 MB

 my entire root directory is
 /dev/sda712G

 am using Ultimate edition 2.5 (based on 9.10) and i laid my hands on
 30 gig of repos so have tonnes installed.
  I think in the upgrade will have to be a bit rational ;-)

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
 have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
 very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

 You have Ubuntu desktop system installed right? That is approx 1500
 packages installed. In terms of number of programs (apps/libs etc) I
 would say that is at least 800.
 1.8G is not 'a lot of space'. A desktop install for Ubuntu takes
 around 2 GB total. Consider what all applications you get in base
 install - browser, IM, email, media players, games, complete office
 suite, CD/DVD burning tool, photo manager, scanning/printing out of
 box, PDF reader, torrent client. Do you still think you are wasting
 too much space? :-)

 /usr contains data related to almost 95% of applications. So if you
 delete the content try imagining what will be state of the machine.
 I am not sure why DW weekly gave advice about deleting the data form
 this directory. By the way what is DW weekly?

Excuse me please the following is my /usr

/usr - 9.2 GB
/usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
/usr/lib - 2.5 GB
/usr/src - 601 MB

my entire root directory is
/dev/sda712G

am using Ultimate edition 2.5 (based on 9.10) and i laid my hands on
30 gig of repos so have tonnes installed.
 I think in the upgrade will

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Mehul Ved

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excuse me please the following is my /usr

 /usr - 9.2 GB
 /usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
 /usr/lib - 2.5 GB
 /usr/src - 601 MB

This is how my ubuntu's /usr looks like

$ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
247M/usr/src
2.4G/usr/lib
13k /usr/lib32
239M/usr/local
400M/usr/bin
23M /usr/include
881k/usr/i486-linux-gnu
1.9M/usr/games
40M /usr/sbin
4.1G/usr/share
95k /usr/lib64
7.3G/usr

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

Ignore last mail, sent by mistake due to a temporary internet outage

ram

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Onkar Shinde onkarshi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Narendra Diwate
 narendra.diw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just checked my /usr and ITS BIG. 1.8GB and 115000 files in it. I do not
 have too many programs installed, have only one user on the system and am
 very conscious of how much space my OS occupies. That is a lot of space.

 You have Ubuntu desktop system installed right? That is approx 1500
 packages installed. In terms of number of programs (apps/libs etc) I
 would say that is at least 800.
 1.8G is not 'a lot of space'. A desktop install for Ubuntu takes
 around 2 GB total. Consider what all applications you get in base
 install - browser, IM, email, media players, games, complete office
 suite, CD/DVD burning tool, photo manager, scanning/printing out of
 box, PDF reader, torrent client. Do you still think you are wasting
 too much space? :-)

 /usr contains data related to almost 95% of applications. So if you
 delete the content try imagining what will be state of the machine.
 I am not sure why DW weekly gave advice about deleting the data form
 this directory. By the way what is DW weekly?

 Excuse me please the following is my /usr

 /usr - 9.2 GB
 /usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
 /usr/lib - 2.5 GB
 /usr/src - 601 MB

 my entire root directory is
 /dev/sda7                12G

 am using Ultimate edition 2.5 (based on 9.10) and i laid my hands on
 30 gig of repos so have tonnes installed.
  I think in the upgrade will


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excuse me please the following is my /usr

 /usr - 9.2 GB
 /usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
 /usr/lib - 2.5 GB
 /usr/src - 601 MB

 This is how my ubuntu's /usr looks like

 $ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
 247M    /usr/src
 2.4G    /usr/lib
 13k     /usr/lib32
 239M    /usr/local
 400M    /usr/bin
 23M     /usr/include
 881k    /usr/i486-linux-gnu
 1.9M    /usr/games
 40M     /usr/sbin
 4.1G    /usr/share
 95k     /usr/lib64
 7.3G    /usr

**
thanks so am not too bad ;-) but need to investigate why icons is 1.9 GB hmmm

also thanks for the command will use that now and this is what it
looks like again
-$ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
463M/usr/bin
48M /usr/include
152k/usr/X11R6
1.6M/usr/local
2.7G/usr/lib
95k /usr/lib64
6.1G/usr/share
637M/usr/src
13k /usr/man
37M /usr/sbin
3.9M/usr/games
10G /usr


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Srihari k

@narendra
interesting experiment..
 *Rename  your /usr* and give it a try.
I am going to do that once i get to my computer.



On 25/05/2010, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Excuse me please the following is my /usr

 /usr - 9.2 GB
 /usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
 /usr/lib - 2.5 GB
 /usr/src - 601 MB

 This is how my ubuntu's /usr looks like

 $ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
 247M    /usr/src
 2.4G    /usr/lib
 13k     /usr/lib32
 239M    /usr/local
 400M    /usr/bin
 23M     /usr/include
 881k    /usr/i486-linux-gnu
 1.9M    /usr/games
 40M     /usr/sbin
 4.1G    /usr/share
 95k     /usr/lib64
 7.3G    /usr

 **
 thanks so am not too bad ;-) but need to investigate why icons is 1.9 GB
 hmmm

 also thanks for the command will use that now and this is what it
 looks like again
 -$ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
 463M  /usr/bin
 48M   /usr/include
 152k  /usr/X11R6
 1.6M  /usr/local
 2.7G  /usr/lib
 95k   /usr/lib64
 6.1G  /usr/share
 637M  /usr/src
 13k   /usr/man
 37M   /usr/sbin
 3.9M  /usr/games
 10G   /usr


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Deleting contents of /usr directory - Implications

2010-05-25 Thread Carthik Sharma

If you're thinking of doing away with /usr - don't. At least /usr/lib/
will make sure you regret it.
/usr/local is expendable if you dont have any software installed in it.
/usr/share has icons, fonts, and a whole lot of other things that you need.
/usr/bin and /usr/sbin are essential too.

Just a thought!

__ Carthik.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Srihari k harisult...@gmail.com wrote:
 @narendra
 interesting experiment..
  *Rename  your /usr* and give it a try.
 I am going to do that once i get to my computer.



 On 25/05/2010, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Mehul Ved mehul.n@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ramnarayan.K ramnaraya...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Excuse me please the following is my /usr

 /usr - 9.2 GB
 /usr/Share - 5.6 GB (of which icons only are 1.9 GB)
 /usr/lib - 2.5 GB
 /usr/src - 601 MB

 This is how my ubuntu's /usr looks like

 $ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
 247M    /usr/src
 2.4G    /usr/lib
 13k     /usr/lib32
 239M    /usr/local
 400M    /usr/bin
 23M     /usr/include
 881k    /usr/i486-linux-gnu
 1.9M    /usr/games
 40M     /usr/sbin
 4.1G    /usr/share
 95k     /usr/lib64
 7.3G    /usr

 **
 thanks so am not too bad ;-) but need to investigate why icons is 1.9 GB
 hmmm

 also thanks for the command will use that now and this is what it
 looks like again
 -$ du --si --max-depth=1 /usr
 463M  /usr/bin
 48M   /usr/include
 152k  /usr/X11R6
 1.6M  /usr/local
 2.7G  /usr/lib
 95k   /usr/lib64
 6.1G  /usr/share
 637M  /usr/src
 13k   /usr/man
 37M   /usr/sbin
 3.9M  /usr/games
 10G   /usr


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[ubuntu-in] Problem with Places

2010-05-25 Thread Moz

Hi All,

I recently upgraded from Hardy to Lucid on my desktop (2 GB RAM, 64 bit). I
have separate / and /home partitions. When I started the machine, things
worked fine except that it had older themes and so on. However, the biggest
problem is when I click on Places and then some folder from there, VLC
starts and tries to play every file in that folder. I tried to find how to
change that, but could not. Could someone suggest a way to rectify this?

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Ubuntu vanille - non-vanille

2010-05-25 Thread Fabian Rodriguez

On 10-05-25 12:18 AM, Michael Faille wrote:
[...]

En effet, je me questionne a savoir pourquoi /usr/local est sous
utilisé dans ubuntu. Voila une idée je vais soumettre à
http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ car cela doit etre une norme pour ubuntu
quand un dépot tierce ou personnel est utilisé.

Je ne te suis pas. C'est déjà une norme établie. On ne peut forcer aucun
éditeur de logiciels à la suivre, sauf ceux qui appliquent pour être
inclus dans les dépôts officiels. Dans ces cas s'il ne suivent pas ces
normes leurs package sont simplement refusés...

[...] Si les apllications compilé manuellement sont isolé dans /usr/local
par defaut, le systeme ne pourra alors pas etre tricoté. Une
désinstalation à la mitaine est alors accessible du a un besoin peu
fréquent de logiciel custum.

Les options de compilation dépendent de chaque auteur/éditeur de
logiciel.. étant donné que le support technique n'est pas un service de
révision ni d'audit de code, ces incidents sont parfois refusés. Je
dirais que dans la plupart des cas on fournit quand même un effort
minimum pour aider + comprendre mais il y a des limites.

Tu sembles avoir des exemples concrets d'applications qui ne suivent pas
ces normes. Lesquelles ? Si tu veux faire avancer ça, je suggère de
soumettre un rapport de bug dans ces applications. Sur Brainstorm ta
suggestion telle que je la comprends aura peu ou aucune chance d'être
validée.

Concernant, les logiciels tierces, voici une autre suggestion que je
veux faire évoluer pour http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/:

Pour l'instant, il y a trop d'info caché dans les forum ou dans la
listes des bug de launchpad (ou tierce) qui peuvent influencés l'avis
de la communauté sur un logiciel disponnible avant de
l'installé/l'utilisé. D'autant plus que je ne vois pas nécéssairement
les logiciel non-supporter officielement par ubuntu comme un risque.

Tant qu'on ne comprends pas cet aspect clé de n'importe quelle
distribution (la gestion des logiciels par package) on risque d'avoir un
système instable.

J'en ai même fait un billet:
http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/2008/12/08/the-single-most-important-thing-you-should-know-about-ubuntu/

Encore une fois, le propriétaire du système écoute bien qui il veut ;)

En effet, j'opterai plutot pour un systeme de cote public pour classer
sur 10 ou sur 100 la qualité d'un logiciel (par pupularité, stabilité,
download) avec une gestion des commentaire basé sur la pertiance dont
la pertinance est voté par mr. tout le monde. Cela doit etre fait
dans ubuntu software center a mon avis.

C'est déjà prévu quoique j'ignore pour quand:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Ratings%20and%20reviews
[...]
Ultimement, cela permetra à la communauté de percevoir de façon plus
autonome et rapide la qualité d'un logiciel dans les dépots. Je
constate que parfois un logiciels publiés dans les dépots
communautaire et meme officiel ne sont pas bien intégré (je pence à
eclipse pour lequel je devait prendre le package officiel du
fournisseur ou alien arena il n'y a pas tres longtemp).

Difficile de te suivre quand tu cites des problèmes qui n'en sont plus.

Tandis que les
derniere version officiels peuvent l'etre mieu. Bref, la communauté
doit etre au courant plus faciliement des bug ou de la stabilité avant
dessayer un logiciel. Peut-etre qu'alors les fournisseurs seront plus
concéquent de la qualité de leurs packages/logiciels. Une meilleurs
accecibilité (+ user-firendly) à la collaboration pour la communauté
en général serait aussi intéressant pour les dévloppeurs [...].

Pour reprendre ton exemple d'Eclipse, de la documentation officielle,
des bug report et des discussions bien nourries existent. Les sites
Launchpad, wiki.ubuntu.com et les forums sont assez bien faits pour
exposer tout ça aux moteurs de recherche.

Si on cherche Eclipse problems Ubuntu ou d'autre combinaisons
semblables dans Google le premier lien est la doc de communauté (qui une
fois révisée devient officielle):
http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntuchannel=fsq=eclipse+problem+ubuntuie=utf-8oe=utf-8

Pour peu qu'on essaie de trouver ces informations sans les moteurs de
recherche on les retrouve aussi rapidement. Quand on ne la trouve pas le
reflexe devrait être de demander dans les canaux habituels (mailing
list, IRC..) puis de partager ce qu'on trouve. Ça aussi ça se retrouve
dans les moteurs de recherche et c'est aussi utile de trouver des
questions sans réponse - ça valide un problème qui n'aurait pas de
solutions (ou pas encore) et on peut décider de se joindre à l'effort, etc.

Euh.. en vérifiant c'est ce qui est arrivé ici même en octobre l'an passé:

[Ubuntu-QC] Ubuntu 9.10: Workaround pour Eclipse 3.5 dans Karmic
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quebec/2009-October/002412.html

Bref, je crois que ta perception sur des problèmes qui n'en sont pas ou
qui ont toutes les chances d'être rêglés et un peu faussée. J'espère que
j'apporte

Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

2010-05-25 Thread Fabian Rodriguez

On 10-05-25 01:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote:
 Bonjour Gilbert!

 avez-vous essayé en installant le module:
  linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
 ???


Petit détail, le CD ne contient pas la dernière version du kernel... 
Même avec backports, le CD live ne permet pas de rebooterpour tester 
un nouveau kernel...

BOnne chance.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] WARNING à répétition

2010-05-25 Thread Steve Nadeau

Bonjour Gilbert!

Il faut faire attention avec les outils Ubuntu Tweak et Ailurus et
Bleachbit, tu laisses entre les mains de logiciels faire des choses
automatiques dans ton système, à part modifier des caractéristiques
visuelles et ajouter des logiciels, je me méfierais de les utiliser pour
faire du ménage...
ça risque d'amener d'autres problèmes...
à faire attention!

Bonne journée!

Steve

2010/5/23 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Lorsque je fais un apt-get update, il s'affiche une série de messages dont
 j'aimerais bien me débarrasser. Les voici:

 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus-10.03.2.egg-info is linked
 but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/gdm2setup-0.5.1_karmic.egg-info is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/gnome_activity_journal-0.3.2.egg-info
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/ScriptWorker.py is linked
 but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/network/parser.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/conf/settings.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/common/settings.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/PKG-INFO
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/SOURCES.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/dependency_links.txt is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/top_level.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus/ubuntu/controversial_apps.py
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus/fedora/controversial_apps.py
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus/fedora/controversial_repository.py is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/PKG-INFO
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/SOURCES.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/dependency_links.txt is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/top_level.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.

 Que signifient-ils et comment m'en défaire?

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Ubuntu vanille - non-vanille

2010-05-25 Thread Michael Faille

 Tu sembles avoir des exemples concrets d'applications qui ne suivent pas
 ces normes. Lesquelles ? Si tu veux faire avancer ça, je suggère de
 soumettre un rapport de bug dans ces applications. Sur Brainstorm ta
 suggestion telle que je la comprends aura peu ou aucune chance d'être
 validée.
En fait, la plupart des ppa sur lauchpad ne suivent pas ces norme
(python, pidgin,). Du moins, le role que Canonical peu jouer, c'est de
mettre d'avantage l'enphase sur l'idée d'évaluer le /usr/local dans la
documentation officiel (https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA).

D'autant plus que lorce que l'on installe un logiciel avec make, il
est tres facile de mettre a jour la destinaton
http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Directory-Variables.

 Pour l'instant, il y a trop d'info caché dans les forum ou dans la
 listes des bug de launchpad (ou tierce) qui peuvent influencés l'avis
 de la communauté sur un logiciel disponnible avant de
 l'installé/l'utilisé. D'autant plus que je ne vois pas nécéssairement
 les logiciel non-supporter officielement par ubuntu comme un risque.

Tant qu'on ne comprends pas cet aspect clé de n'importe quelle
distribution (la gestion des logiciels par package) on risque d'avoir un
système instable.

Dans ce paragraphe et ce qui suivait (ce qui suivait mon idées), je
parle de tous les logiciels disponibles dans ubuntu (packet officiels
ou pas). En effet, meme si Canonical na pas approuver le packet, la
communauté peu l'avoir fait.

L'idée revenais plutot à ça--

 En effet, j'opterai plutot pour un systeme de cote public pour classer
 sur 10 ou sur 100 la qualité d'un logiciel (par pupularité, stabilité,
 download) avec une gestion des commentaire basé sur la pertiance dont
 a pertinance est voté par mr. tout le monde.  Cela doit etre fait
 dans ubuntu software center a mon avis. Je percois dans cette
 optique, une collaboration similaire aussi proactive que wikipedia.
 Meme qu'il pourrais y avoir une extention launchpad à ce system (pour
 les bugs). Dans le cas du support offert par cannonical, les logiciels
 supporté pourra etre que ceux que cannonical validera avec l'aide
 d'une communauté plus réactive grace à l'accecibilité. Cela aumentera
 la réactité potentiel de la communauté car pour l'instant, seul les
 gens plugguer ont la capacité de le faire bien qu'ils représente la
 communauté (j'entent par la mr.tout le monde + dévloppeur.)


 Difficile de te suivre quand tu cites des problèmes qui n'en sont plus.
Quand il y a un bug/manque de fonctionnalité, c'est agrable le savoir
avant d'utiliser un logiciel. C'est impossible qu'il m'y en ait pas
d'autre.

 Pour peu qu'on essaie de trouver ces informations sans les moteurs de
 recherche on les retrouve aussi rapidement. Quand on ne la trouve pas le
 reflexe devrait être de demander dans les canaux habituels (mailing
 list, IRC..) puis de partager ce qu'on trouve. Ça aussi ça se retrouve
 dans les moteurs de recherche et c'est aussi utile de trouver des
 questions sans réponse - ça valide un problème qui n'aurait pas de
 solutions (ou pas encore) et on peut décider de se joindre à l'effort, etc.

L'objectif de ma suggestion dans mon mail précédant suggère de
facilité l'acces à cette information de sorte a contourné ce labyrinth
de solution. C'est intéressant parfois étant donné qu'il peu y avoir
des culs de sac. Cela pourrait meme etre fait pour les
problemes/solutions secteurs du support matériels dans Ubuntu.
L'accesssibilité de l'information est tres importante. Cela dit,
centralisé le tout, l'organisé, l'intégrer dans le Ubuntu Software
Center, la crittiquer, évaluer les critique à l'image de
http://www.google.com/support/forum/; et en la rendant plus
accessible suffirait pour favoriserait une adoption plus efficaces du
systeme d'exploitation.

Pour finir, je constate que des amélioration possibles et non des
corrections comme mon ton aurait pu etre perçu.

Sur ce, j'ai un exam d'equation différentiel et intégral :-| pour
aller travailler a mon club par la suite :).
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2010/5/25 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com:

 Tu sembles avoir des exemples concrets d'applications qui ne suivent pas
 ces normes. Lesquelles ? Si tu veux faire avancer ça, je suggère de
 soumettre un rapport de bug dans ces applications. Sur Brainstorm ta
 suggestion telle que je la comprends aura peu ou aucune chance d'être
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

Qu'est-ce que c'est au juste les backports et qu'est-ce que ça fait? J'ai
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Le 25 mai 2010 07:32, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :

 On 10-05-25 01:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote:
  Bonjour Gilbert!
 
  avez-vous essayé en installant le module:
   linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
  ???
 

 Petit détail, le CD ne contient pas la dernière version du kernel...
 Même avec backports, le CD live ne permet pas de rebooterpour tester
 un nouveau kernel...

 BOnne chance.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

2010-05-25 Thread Steve Nadeau

Bonjour Gilbert!

il faut activer toutes les cases à cocher dans les dépôts sous
l'onglet ACTUALISATION (je suis en espagnol, je ne suis pas sûr de ce
qui est écrit en français...) c'est le 3e onglet, j'ai aussi de coché
tous les éléments du premier onglet à l'exception du code source.

bonne journée!!!


2010/5/25, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
 Qu'est-ce que c'est au juste les backports et qu'est-ce que ça fait? J'ai
 pas encore compris ça...

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 On 10-05-25 01:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote:
  Bonjour Gilbert!
 
  avez-vous essayé en installant le module:
   linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
  ???
 

 Petit détail, le CD ne contient pas la dernière version du kernel...
 Même avec backports, le CD live ne permet pas de rebooterpour tester
 un nouveau kernel...

 BOnne chance.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] WARNING à répétition

Ouais, je ne sais plus dans lequel c'était, les indications n'étant pas très
claires (mal traduites), je suis parvenu à supprimer le noyau courant et à
préserver les anciens...
Je me sers d'UTweak comme second magasin de logiciels (et encore, on y va
une fois ou deux au début, puis c'est tout). Les autres, j'ai cessé de m'en
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Le 25 mai 2010 08:48, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gilbert!

 Il faut faire attention avec les outils Ubuntu Tweak et Ailurus et
 Bleachbit, tu laisses entre les mains de logiciels faire des choses
 automatiques dans ton système, à part modifier des caractéristiques
 visuelles et ajouter des logiciels, je me méfierais de les utiliser pour
 faire du ménage...
 ça risque d'amener d'autres problèmes...
 à faire attention!

 Bonne journée!

 Steve

 2010/5/23 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Lorsque je fais un apt-get update, il s'affiche une série de messages dont
 j'aimerais bien me débarrasser. Les voici:

 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus-10.03.2.egg-info is linked
 but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/gdm2setup-0.5.1_karmic.egg-info is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/gnome_activity_journal-0.3.2.egg-info is linked but does
 not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/ScriptWorker.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/network/parser.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/conf/settings.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutweak/common/settings.py is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/PKG-INFO
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/SOURCES.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/dependency_links.txt is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.2.egg-info/top_level.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus/ubuntu/controversial_apps.py
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus/fedora/controversial_apps.py
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ailurus/fedora/controversial_repository.py is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/PKG-INFO
 is linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/SOURCES.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/dependency_links.txt is
 linked but does not belong to any package.
 WARNING: WARNING:
 /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntu_tweak-0.5.0.egg-info/top_level.txt is linked but
 does not belong to any package.

 Que signifient-ils et comment m'en défaire?

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

Même les logiciels en pré-version (lucid-proposed)? C'est pas courir
au-devant de problèmes?

En tout cas, lucid-backports est coché, j'ai installé
inux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic,
mais ça n'a rien changé. C'est toujours Mot de passe erroné.

Un backport, c'est appliquer des correctifs actuels à des versions
précédentes d'un logiciel, si j'ai bien compris? De quelle manière ce
backport aurait-il pu régler le problème?

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Le 25 mai 2010 09:25, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gilbert!

 il faut activer toutes les cases à cocher dans les dépôts sous
 l'onglet ACTUALISATION (je suis en espagnol, je ne suis pas sûr de ce
 qui est écrit en français...) c'est le 3e onglet, j'ai aussi de coché
 tous les éléments du premier onglet à l'exception du code source.

 bonne journée!!!


 2010/5/25, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
  Qu'est-ce que c'est au juste les backports et qu'est-ce que ça fait? J'ai
  pas encore compris ça...
 
  Gilbert
 
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  Le 25 mai 2010 07:32, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :
 
  On 10-05-25 01:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote:
   Bonjour Gilbert!
  
   avez-vous essayé en installant le module:
linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
   ???
  
 
  Petit détail, le CD ne contient pas la dernière version du kernel...
  Même avec backports, le CD live ne permet pas de rebooterpour tester
  un nouveau kernel...
 
  BOnne chance.
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

2010-05-25 Thread Steve Nadeau

Bonjour Gilbert!

moi en tous cas, je n'ai pas de problème et j'ai toujours tout coché car je
veux avoir les dernières versions...

Pour wireless, ça doit s'intégrer au noyau, je n'en sais trop rien, mais
anciennement je devais compiler MAD-WIFI qui faisait la même chose pour mon
mini portable...

j'essaierais quand même en cochant tout et en mettant à jour, si ça règle le
problème c'est pas mal plus simple que de courrir des patches ailleurs, ça
fait parti de Ubuntu standard!

bonne journée...



2010/5/25 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Même les logiciels en pré-version (lucid-proposed)? C'est pas courir
 au-devant de problèmes?

 En tout cas, lucid-backports est coché, j'ai installé 
 inux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic,
 mais ça n'a rien changé. C'est toujours Mot de passe erroné.

 Un backport, c'est appliquer des correctifs actuels à des versions
 précédentes d'un logiciel, si j'ai bien compris? De quelle manière ce
 backport aurait-il pu régler le problème?

 Gilbert

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 Bonjour Gilbert!

 il faut activer toutes les cases à cocher dans les dépôts sous
 l'onglet ACTUALISATION (je suis en espagnol, je ne suis pas sûr de ce
 qui est écrit en français...) c'est le 3e onglet, j'ai aussi de coché
 tous les éléments du premier onglet à l'exception du code source.

 bonne journée!!!


 2010/5/25, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
  Qu'est-ce que c'est au juste les backports et qu'est-ce que ça fait?
 J'ai
  pas encore compris ça...
 
  Gilbert
 
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  Le 25 mai 2010 07:32, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :
 
  On 10-05-25 01:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote:
   Bonjour Gilbert!
  
   avez-vous essayé en installant le module:
linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
   ???
  
 
  Petit détail, le CD ne contient pas la dernière version du kernel...
  Même avec backports, le CD live ne permet pas de rebooterpour tester
  un nouveau kernel...
 
  BOnne chance.
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

2010-05-25 Thread Gregory Eric Sanderson

Quelques affaires a essayer et verifier :

network-manager a la mauvaise tendance d'essayer de prendre autorité totale
sur la carte sans-fil. Ese-ce que netowrk-manager et wicd sont partis en
même temps ? Pour arrêter le daemin network-manager, on peut tapper dans une
console :

sudo stop network

Lors du party d'ubuntu, pour règler le problème avec une autre carte atheros
sous 10.04, j'ai dû éteindre et rallumer la carte sans fil, et 'réactiver'
l'interface pour la carte sans fil. Pour essayer :

sudo stop network #Si c'est pas déja fait
sudo ifconfig wlan0 down
sudo ifconfig wlan0 up

Et ensuite essayer de se reconnecter au réseau avec wicd

2010/5/25 Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com

 Bonjour Gilbert!

 moi en tous cas, je n'ai pas de problème et j'ai toujours tout coché car je
 veux avoir les dernières versions...

 Pour wireless, ça doit s'intégrer au noyau, je n'en sais trop rien, mais
 anciennement je devais compiler MAD-WIFI qui faisait la même chose pour mon
 mini portable...

 j'essaierais quand même en cochant tout et en mettant à jour, si ça règle
 le problème c'est pas mal plus simple que de courrir des patches ailleurs,
 ça fait parti de Ubuntu standard!

 bonne journée...



 2010/5/25 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com

 Même les logiciels en pré-version (lucid-proposed)? C'est pas courir
 au-devant de problèmes?

 En tout cas, lucid-backports est coché, j'ai installé 
 inux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic,
 mais ça n'a rien changé. C'est toujours Mot de passe erroné.

 Un backport, c'est appliquer des correctifs actuels à des versions
 précédentes d'un logiciel, si j'ai bien compris? De quelle manière ce
 backport aurait-il pu régler le problème?

 Gilbert

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 Le 25 mai 2010 09:25, Steve Nadeau steven...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour Gilbert!

 il faut activer toutes les cases à cocher dans les dépôts sous
 l'onglet ACTUALISATION (je suis en espagnol, je ne suis pas sûr de ce
 qui est écrit en français...) c'est le 3e onglet, j'ai aussi de coché
 tous les éléments du premier onglet à l'exception du code source.

 bonne journée!!!


 2010/5/25, Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com:
  Qu'est-ce que c'est au juste les backports et qu'est-ce que ça fait?
 J'ai
  pas encore compris ça...
 
  Gilbert
 
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  Le 25 mai 2010 07:32, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :
 
  On 10-05-25 01:07 AM, Steve Nadeau wrote:
   Bonjour Gilbert!
  
   avez-vous essayé en installant le module:
linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
   ???
  
 
  Petit détail, le CD ne contient pas la dernière version du kernel...
  Même avec backports, le CD live ne permet pas de rebooterpour tester
  un nouveau kernel...
 
  BOnne chance.
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

2010-05-25 Thread Fabian Rodriguez

On 10-05-25 05:30 PM, Gregory Eric Sanderson wrote:
 Quelques affaires a essayer et verifier :
 
 network-manager a la mauvaise tendance d'essayer de prendre autorité
 totale sur la carte sans-fil. Ese-ce que netowrk-manager et wicd sont
 partis en même temps ? 

Normallement ce n'est pas possible car wicd et NM sont marqués en
conflit et l'installation de l'un provoque la désinstallation de l'autre.

Pour arrêter le daemin network-manager, on peut
 tapper dans une console :
 
 sudo stop network
 
[...]

C'est plutôt
sudo stop networking

et ça arrête tous les services réseaux (pas seulement NM).


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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

J'ai désinstallé network-manager.

sudo stop networking me dit: stop: Unknown instance

Pour la première fois en 10 jours, ma carte s'et connectée... 10 secondes.
Misère. Je dois quitter la maison, mais je reprendrai les essais en soirée.

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Le 25 mai 2010 17:36, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com a écrit :

 On 10-05-25 05:30 PM, Gregory Eric Sanderson wrote:
  Quelques affaires a essayer et verifier :
 
  network-manager a la mauvaise tendance d'essayer de prendre autorité
  totale sur la carte sans-fil. Ese-ce que netowrk-manager et wicd sont
  partis en même temps ?

 Normallement ce n'est pas possible car wicd et NM sont marqués en
 conflit et l'installation de l'un provoque la désinstallation de l'autre.

 Pour arrêter le daemin network-manager, on peut
  tapper dans une console :
 
  sudo stop network
 
 [...]

 C'est plutôt
 sudo stop networking

 et ça arrête tous les services réseaux (pas seulement NM).


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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] K8055, Lazarus et Free Pascal sous Kubuntu 9.10 32 bits

2010-05-25 Thread Etienne Goyer

Québec Web .org wrote:
 Ça existe encore le langage Pascal ?

Delphi était un IDE très populaire dans les années 80 basé sur le
language Pascal.  Une version Linux, Kylix, a vu le jours en 2001, mais
n'as jamais vraiment levée.

Sur Ubuntu, apt-cache search pascal retourne plusieurs résultats.
Notament le package fpc, Free Pascal, et gpc, le GNU Pascal Compiler.



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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?

2010-05-25 Thread Gregory Eric Sanderson

2010/5/25 Fabian Rodriguez magic...@ubuntu.com

 On 10-05-25 05:30 PM, Gregory Eric Sanderson wrote:
  Quelques affaires a essayer et verifier :
 
  network-manager a la mauvaise tendance d'essayer de prendre autorité
  totale sur la carte sans-fil. Ese-ce que netowrk-manager et wicd sont
  partis en même temps ?

 Normallement ce n'est pas possible car wicd et NM sont marqués en
 conflit et l'installation de l'un provoque la désinstallation de l'autre.


eh bien je dois avoir des talents cachés pcq'en installant wicd sur un 10.04
frais avec aptitude, network-manager était encore présent.  j'ai dû le
déinstaller avec aptitude. Quoi que j'avais pas encore fait un aptitude
update  aptitude upgrade, donc p-e le problème venait du fait que les
paquets était pas à jour.


 Pour arrêter le daemin network-manager, on peut
  tapper dans une console :
 
  sudo stop network
 
 [...]

 C'est plutôt
 sudo stop networking


Une erreur de ma part, j'avais tappé la commande de mémoire sans vérifier
avant, je m'en excuse


 et ça arrête tous les services réseaux (pas seulement NM).


ce qui n'est pas toujours une mauvaise chose. Quand on veut tester/isoler
une composante il est mieux de ne pas avoir d'autre processus connexes
partis en même temps. Mais je l'accorde, les services réseaux filaire n'ont
d'habitude pas d'impact sur les services réseaux sans fil



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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Wi-Fi et Lucid Lynx ne font pas bon m énage?