Re: [ubuntu-in] File systems on windows

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

>   Your talking about windows, right
>
> Some friends recently got them selves the B series laptops - another
> friend helped to make sure the onboard windows was fully loaded. He
> said that it took him the better part of a day doing that and this was
> after lenovo had a page dedicated to getting all the additional
> drivers for the machine. None of this involved installing any
> productivity software (none was installed) . So yes some audio , video
> drivers are needed additionally , for some machines.
>
> I have not looked at a new windows install recently but from this
> experience its safe to say that one needs to spend time, lots of time
> to get a windows machine into a state a linux machine comes with its
> default installation.
>

Just wondering aloud then, what is there in 18.7GB of a standard W7 install
that i saw recently. If it does not come with atleast drivers for the basic
video and audio and input devices, then wonder what is there.

I used to have nvidia display drivers both when i had XP and also when i
used Ubuntu 9. The drivers itself occupied 180MB or more in both OS. And now
i have this Linux distro called Austrumi that is 138MB, and is a complete
desktop OS WITH nvidia drivers. Nero occupies 200MB, imgBURN does the same
job and better with 2.5MB. Wonder what do they fill the software with to
cause that bloat.

I have always believed in the KISS, minimalism, Worse is Better principles
as can be gleaned from the posts in the past. Software Bloat not welcome
atleast in my case.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu x64 Releases and 24Online

[Ripunjay Bararia]

  Hi,
It seems you do not have 32bit libs installed

apt-get install ia32-libs

run this and then try

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On 11-09-2010 19:20, Brian D'Souza wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone use any Ubuntu 64 bit releases (Karmic or higher) and uses 
> the 24Online utility also known sometimes Cyber roam successfully can 
> you pl update me on how to get it done.
>
> For some reason only on the 64bit OS i cannot run this utility to 
> connect to the internet. it gives me an error like a file not found 
> ..but there is a file and ls will show it.
>
> tried to chmod etc but does not work. Any tips
>
> Regards,
> Brian D'Souza
>



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu x64 Releases and 24Online

[Brian D'Souza]

>
>
> Please give the exact command you run. With the error message.
>

z...@zack-lucidlynx:~/Documents/crclient$ ls -l
total 32
-rwxr-xr-x 1 zack zack 29580 2010-02-21 19:42 crclient
z...@zack-lucidlynx:~/Documents/crclient$ ./crclient -s
bash: ./crclient: No such file or directory
z...@zack-lucidlynx:~/Documents/crclient$


> On 9/11/10, Brian D'Souza  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone use any Ubuntu 64 bit releases (Karmic or higher) and uses
> the
> > 24Online utility also known sometimes Cyber roam successfully can
> > you pl update me on how to get it done.
> >
> > For some reason only on the 64bit OS i cannot run this utility to connect
> to
> > the internet. it gives me an error like a file not found ..but there is a
> > file and ls will show it.
> >
> > tried to chmod etc but does not work. Any tips
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brian D'Souza
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-in] File systems on windows

[Easwar Hariharan]

> 
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Ramnarayan.K 
> wrote:
> O
>  Your talking about windows, right
> 
> Some friends recently got them selves the B series laptops -
> another
> friend helped to make sure the onboard windows was fully
> loaded. He
> said that it took him the better part of a day doing that and
> this was
> after lenovo had a page deidicted to getting all the
> additional
> drivers for the machine. None of this involved installaing any
> productivity software (none was installed) . So yes some
> audio , video
> drivers are needed additionally , for some machines.
> 
> I have not looked at a new windows install recently but from
> this
> experience its safe to say that one needs to spend time, lots
> of time
> to get a windows machine into a state a linux machine comes
> with its
> default installation.


My experience is the same. I own an IBM Thinkpad laptop and
unfortunately had to convert from single boot Linux to dual boot for
university purposes. Took me 2 days to completely set up the machine
after taking recourse to a friend's machine to download drivers because
I foolishly expected Windows to detect hardware (this was/is WinXP) My
Net connection is through wireless and Windows couldn't detect the
network interfaces, not even wired, let alone wireless. On top of that,
it couldn't find drivers for a bunch of other devices (sound anyone?)
and every time I boot, it wants to go on the Net to find them. MS
probably has some magic technology that allows Win to access the Net
without having drivers for the network interfaces. X-(

After finally setting up the stuff, I installed all the updates from MS
and there is no space left for any user apps, never mind the data (I
only gave it 5GB) Even Ubuntu installs in less than 5GB with full setup
of packages plus Skype, restricted-extras, GIMP, Audacity, Xchat,
build-essential, etc.

Regards
Easwar

PS: By even Ubuntu I mean that there are other distros which will use up
less disk space than that.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] File systems on windows

[tabankg]

Well said, Ramnarayan.
Most of us completely endorse and support your views .
Hat's off to you.


+1


On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Narendra Diwate
>  wrote:
> > I have not used windows vista or 7 at all, so don't know. Which file
> > systems do vista & 7 support natively  other than ntfs and fat without
> > adding any 3rd party programs. Do we also need to install video and
> > audio drivers separately.
> > Also which programs are included in the default install not counting
> > ie and media player.
>
>  Your talking about windows, right
>
> Some friends recently got them selves the B series laptops - another
> friend helped to make sure the onboard windows was fully loaded. He
> said that it took him the better part of a day doing that and this was
> after lenovo had a page deidicted to getting all the additional
> drivers for the machine. None of this involved installaing any
> productivity software (none was installed) . So yes some audio , video
> drivers are needed additionally , for some machines.
>
> I have not looked at a new windows install recently but from this
> experience its safe to say that one needs to spend time, lots of time
> to get a windows machine into a state a linux machine comes with its
> default installation.
>
> **
> Two days back i installed Linux Mint on an atom desktop - it was fully
> functional within an hour (from PCDOS to Linux Mint 9) - it took
> another 1 hour on a broadban connection to get updated. The only
> additional software i installed was skype. Everything worked - no
> drivers, no conductors no ticket collectors additionally required.
>
> ram
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Ubuntu x64 Releases and 24Online

[Shrinivasan T]

Please give the exact command you run. With the error message.


On 9/11/10, Brian D'Souza  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone use any Ubuntu 64 bit releases (Karmic or higher) and uses the
> 24Online utility also known sometimes Cyber roam successfully can
> you pl update me on how to get it done.
>
> For some reason only on the 64bit OS i cannot run this utility to connect to
> the internet. it gives me an error like a file not found ..but there is a
> file and ls will show it.
>
> tried to chmod etc but does not work. Any tips
>
> Regards,
> Brian D'Souza
>

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Re: [ubuntu-in] File systems on windows

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Narendra Diwate
 wrote:
> I have not used windows vista or 7 at all, so don't know. Which file
> systems do vista & 7 support natively  other than ntfs and fat without
> adding any 3rd party programs. Do we also need to install video and
> audio drivers separately.
> Also which programs are included in the default install not counting
> ie and media player.

 Your talking about windows, right

Some friends recently got them selves the B series laptops - another
friend helped to make sure the onboard windows was fully loaded. He
said that it took him the better part of a day doing that and this was
after lenovo had a page deidicted to getting all the additional
drivers for the machine. None of this involved installaing any
productivity software (none was installed) . So yes some audio , video
drivers are needed additionally , for some machines.

I have not looked at a new windows install recently but from this
experience its safe to say that one needs to spend time, lots of time
to get a windows machine into a state a linux machine comes with its
default installation.

**
Two days back i installed Linux Mint on an atom desktop - it was fully
functional within an hour (from PCDOS to Linux Mint 9) - it took
another 1 hour on a broadban connection to get updated. The only
additional software i installed was skype. Everything worked - no
drivers, no conductors no ticket collectors additionally required.

ram

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[ubuntu-in] Ubuntu x64 Releases and 24Online

[Brian D'Souza]

Hi,

Does anyone use any Ubuntu 64 bit releases (Karmic or higher) and uses the
24Online utility also known sometimes Cyber roam successfully can
you pl update me on how to get it done.

For some reason only on the 64bit OS i cannot run this utility to connect to
the internet. it gives me an error like a file not found ..but there is a
file and ls will show it.

tried to chmod etc but does not work. Any tips

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[ubuntu-in] Events planned to celebrate Software Freedom Day in Bangalore from 15th to 17th Sept

[VIGNESH PRABHU]

Hi friends,

Software Freedom Law Centre, New Delhi(SFLC-ND) and Free Software
Movement-Karnataka (FSMK) are celebrating Software Freedom Day, by
organizing Talks and events by one of the mavericks of the Knowledge Freedom
campaigns and an affiliate of SFLC-ND - Prof.Eben Moglen,Founder,
Director-Counsel and Chairman of Software Freedom Law Center.

In this visit to Bangalore, Prof.Eben Moglen will be participating in three
separate events organized by FSMK.

*1. Inaugural Lecture of Free Software certificate course at St.Joseph's
College,Bangalore on the 15th September 4 p.m.*

St.Joseph's College, Bangalore has incorporated 120 hours of free software
sessions to be handled by FSMK and other like-minded Free Software
Enthusiasts. The course syllabus will be put up on website of FSMK very
soon. The idea is to to empower students to become productive
self-supporting citizens of the free software community. Its an honour to
have professor Eben deliver the first lecture of the course.

*2. Prof.Eben at Ambedkar Community Computing Center (AC3) on the 16th
September., evening*

Before two years, RMS and Prof.Eben visited AC3 with only a few students who
were being taught computers using Free Software. Today, these handful of
young free software activists from the community are running three other
Community Computing Centers completely on their own. Prof.Eben will visit
AC3 for a community discussion, where the members of these centers will
initiate a discussion on the activities so far, the ups and downs and the
way forward. There will also be a small cultural event organized by AC3
students.

*3. Interaction with Prof.Eben Moglen on the Freedom in the Cloud at Indian
Institute of Science, on 17th September , 3p.m – 5 p.m, faculty hall IISc.
*

Speaker: Prof. Eben Moglen
Professor of Law and Legal History at Columbia University Founder,
Director-Counsel & Chairman of Software Freedom Law Center

Time: Fri. Sep 17 2010 3pm-5pm

Venue: Faculty Hall, IISc

Title of Talk: "Freedom in the Cloud: Software Freedom, Privacy and Security
for Web 2.0 and Cloud Computing"

Abstract:
Everyone wants a piece of you these days: Google, Facebook, Flickr, Apple,
AT&T, Bing. They'll give you free e-mail, free photo storage, free web
hosting, even a free date. They just want to listen in. And you can't wait
to let them. They'll store your stuff, they'll organize your photos, they'll
keep track of your appointments, as long as they can watch. It all goes into
the "Cloud."

How we got here is quite a scary story. But nowhere near as scary as getting
out again. This talk will discuss how much worse things have become since
the pre-cloud era and explain what you can do to reclaim your freedom in the
era of Web 2.0.

I cordially invite you all to come and celebrate software freedom day along
with us during these events.


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Re: [ubuntu-in] Internet thru Mobile phone

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Kingsly John

> wrote:

> Where is it failing?
>
> Do you get connected to the phone via bluetooth?
> Have you specified the correct APN name?
> What do the pppd logs say?
>
>
Thats where the problem is. The phone connects to the PC thru bluetooth and
that is it. Dont know how to proceed further.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Internet thru Mobile phone

[Kingsly John]

+++ Narendra Diwate [2010-09-11 16:13:40]:

> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Narendra Diwate 
> wrote:
> 
> Quiet a while back i had used Mobile Office on Airtel to connect to the
> internet on my computer running XP thru bluetooth on Nokia 6681. The
> settings allowed this in the form of a Dialup modem connection on the
> bluetooth software.
> 
> Recently i tried the same again on Ubuntu thru bluetooth from a Nokia 6681
> to no avail. Any ideas how to fix this. Has the Mobile Office settings on
> Airtel changed to disallow connecting on a computer.

Where is it failing? 

Do you get connected to the phone via bluetooth?
Have you specified the correct APN name?
What do the pppd logs say?

Kingsly

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Internet thru Mobile phone

[Narendra Diwate]

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Narendra Diwate
wrote:

> Quiet a while back i had used Mobile Office on Airtel to connect to the
> internet on my computer running XP thru bluetooth on Nokia 6681. The
> settings allowed this in the form of a Dialup modem connection on the
> bluetooth software.
>
> Recently i tried the same again on Ubuntu thru bluetooth from a Nokia 6681
> to no avail. Any ideas how to fix this. Has the Mobile Office settings on
> Airtel changed to disallow connecting on a computer.
>
> On a different phone (cheap Micromax Q2 pad) and different Sim (Tata
> Docomo) the connection (wired this time) was automatic with no configuration
> to be done.


Just bump !

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Nitesh Mistry wrote:

> On the other hand, non-rolling
> distros enjoy more stability (though this is only my speculation as I
> have not used any rolling distro yet) as they don't provide drastically
> updated software packages in their stable archive.
>

I don't think that is true. Although i would consider myself less than
qualified to comment.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] [mailer-dae...@googlemail.com: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)]

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 09:49:49PM +0530, Narendra Diwate wrote:
> Gmail put the mail that you sent to LoCo in Spam. May consider that. Dont
> know why? Never happened before.

I never said or did anything bad to you gmail, then why - why did you
put me in spammers' list!!??

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Nitesh Mistry]

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:11:24PM +0530, Sriranga(77yrsold) wrote:
> Nitish,
> Thanks for the valuable information. Which one is best in your experience.So
> Rolling distros is better

It is a matter of personal preference. Rolling distros have advantage,
that the users keep getting the latest software versions in their
updates as soon as they are released instead of waiting for six months
or so when their distro gets upgraded. On the other hand, non-rolling
distros enjoy more stability (though this is only my speculation as I
have not used any rolling distro yet) as they don't provide drastically
updated software packages in their stable archive.

Guess I made it understandable.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] File systems on windows

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Jkhatri  wrote:

>  also !!
>

Got it. No more Also's.



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Rolling distributions and rolling away from Ubuntu

[Narendra Diwate]

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Ritesh Sinha  wrote:

> If you want a minimal Ubuntu based you can start with the mini.iso
> file provided by Ubuntu and work your way up to install stuff that you
> need. If you like lightweight Desktop Environments I would highly
> recommend awesome3. I currently use this on my Ubuntu system. I'm
> addicted to apt-get so I like the option of having it around for easy
> package installs.
>
> The cons are that it will require a fair bit of package downloading as
> well as customization of the awesome rc.lua file for your needs. A
> tiling window manager is the best if you use a number of terminals
> etc. I try and use either the gmail web interface or mutt for email,
> irssi for irc and pidgin for other IM networks (you could rid yourself
> of pidgin too if you used bitlbee to run an IM gateway, allowing you
> to connect via irssi).
>
> All the best on your minimalist quest! :)
>

My requirement is minimalist +rolling. So a full rolling distro makes sense.
I had thought about the minimal ubuntu route, but obviously it is not
rolling.

awesome 3 - never heard about it frankly, so reading up on it now. However i
am not a poweruser or techie.

*From its site: awesome* is a highly configurable, next generation framework
window manager for X. It is very fast, extensible and licensed under the GNU
GPLv2 license . It is
primarly targeted at power users, developers and any people dealing with
every day computing tasks and who want to have fine-grained control on
theirs graphical environment.
AntiX also uses Apt-get and Synaptic, and a lot of Debian repos as it is
based on Mepis and debian.

I am a as-little-of-terminal-as-possible kind of guy.

Will try it for a while. Also it uses delta packages which i have been
hoping Ubuntu starts. Opensuse and Fedora have been using it for ages.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] File systems on windows

[Jkhatri]

On Saturday 11 September 2010 12:23 PM, Narendra Diwate wrote:

I have not used windows vista or 7 at all, so don't know. Which file
systems do vista&  7 support natively  other than ntfs and fat without
adding any 3rd party programs. Do we also need to install video and
audio drivers separately.
Also which programs are included in the default install not counting
ie and media player.

   

 also !!

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