[Bug 926735] [NEW] ipv6 autoconfiguration doesn't work

2012-02-04 Thread Alistair Crust
Public bug reported:

ipv6 autoconfiguration fails, manual ipv6 configuration is successful.
however I am seeing router advertisments using wireshark okay.

Description:Ubuntu precise (development branch)
Release:12.04

ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
Package: linux-image-3.2.0-12-generic-pae 3.2.0-12.21
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-12.21-generic-pae 3.2.2
Uname: Linux 3.2.0-12-generic-pae i686
NonfreeKernelModules: wl
AlsaVersion: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24.
AplayDevices:
  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
   Subdevices: 1/1
   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
ApportVersion: 1.91-0ubuntu1
Architecture: i386
ArecordDevices:
  List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
   Subdevices: 1/1
   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
AudioDevicesInUse:
 USERPID ACCESS COMMAND
 /dev/snd/controlC0:  alistair   1767 F pulseaudio
CRDA:
 country GB:
(2402 - 2482 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
(5170 - 5250 @ 40), (N/A, 20)
(5250 - 5330 @ 40), (N/A, 20), DFS
(5490 - 5710 @ 40), (N/A, 27), DFS
Card0.Amixer.info:
 Card hw:0 'Intel'/'HDA Intel at 0x9420 irq 45'
   Mixer name   : 'IDT 92HD88B1'
   Components   : 'HDA:111d7667,103c148a,00100105'
   Controls  : 16
   Simple ctrls  : 9
Date: Sat Feb  4 16:24:22 2012
EcryptfsInUse: Yes
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin - Alpha i386 (20120112)
MachineType: Hewlett-Packard Compaq Mini CQ10-500
ProcEnviron:
 LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
 PATH=(custom, no user)
 LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-12-generic-pae 
root=UUID=5ca2728a-890d-48f9-8619-0962ead5b43e ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
RelatedPackageVersions:
 linux-restricted-modules-3.2.0-12-generic-pae N/A
 linux-backports-modules-3.2.0-12-generic-pae  N/A
 linux-firmware1.68
SourcePackage: linux
StagingDrivers: rts_pstor
UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2012-02-04 (0 days ago)
dmi.bios.date: 01/14/2011
dmi.bios.vendor: Hewlett-Packard
dmi.bios.version: F.15
dmi.board.asset.tag: Base Board Asset Tag
dmi.board.name: 148A
dmi.board.vendor: Hewlett-Packard
dmi.board.version: 79.4B
dmi.chassis.asset.tag: Chassis Asset Tag
dmi.chassis.type: 10
dmi.chassis.vendor: Hewlett-Packard
dmi.chassis.version: Chassis Version
dmi.modalias: 
dmi:bvnHewlett-Packard:bvrF.15:bd01/14/2011:svnHewlett-Packard:pnCompaqMiniCQ10-500:pvr059D1120240300100:rvnHewlett-Packard:rn148A:rvr79.4B:cvnHewlett-Packard:ct10:cvrChassisVersion:
dmi.product.name: Compaq Mini CQ10-500
dmi.product.version: 059D1120240300100
dmi.sys.vendor: Hewlett-Packard

** Affects: linux (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Incomplete


** Tags: apport-bug i386 kernel-request-3.2.0-14.23 precise running-unity 
staging

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[Bug 926735] Re: ipv6 autoconfiguration doesn't work

2012-02-04 Thread Alistair Crust
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking down Firefox settings

2009-01-30 Thread Alistair Crust
On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 17:44 +, Rob Beard wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 I was wondering if anyone knew how to lock down the settings on Firefox 
 on Ubuntu 8.04?
 
 Basically I'm nearly done setting up an LTSP Server and I want to make 
 sure that no one who logs on can fiddle with the settings.  I've got 
 Tinyproxy and Dansguardian installed and working but only if I manually 
 specify the proxy settings.  I found something about entering some 
 settings in /usr/lib/firefox/firefox.cfg which I have entered (details 
 here: http://m.linuxjournal.com/article/9044) but I'm finding I can 
 enable and disable the Firefox proxy settings and alter the rest of the 
 settings as I please.
 
 I did try Firehol to force the proxy transparently but it stopped the 
 LTSP clients from booting unless I enabled a whole lot of ports on the 
 Firehol configuration (I got so far but got stuck on the nbd ports).
 
 Just wondering if anyone knows how to do this?
 
 Ta,
 
 Rob
 
 
Hi Rob, 

I recall seeing a posting within the last 2/3 months on either the
ltsp-discuss mailing list or the edubuntu-users list that give you
instructions on how to lock firefox down.

If I remember correctly you can do it by placing the values you want to
lock in a text file, encoding it using Rot13 and specifying some global
settings that force Firefox to read that file (It greys out all the
options for the user, so the user can't change anything or add their own
settings in their ~./mozilla/firefox/*)

I've used this method successfully in school and at our boarding house,
I just cant remember the specifics off the top of my head.

If your still stuck next week drop me a line and I'll see if I can dig
the mails out for you. 

Kind regards
Alistair

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rules

2008-05-20 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 10:17 +0100, Tester wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Stephen O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
 Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rules
  James Dalley wrote:
  | PSS. Just thought of a way to end this, Hitler! :)
 
  Excellent. I, for one, welcome the end to this thread.
 
 I think you're all idiots :)
 
 MooDoo 
 

I think idioms a better word. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Persuading a school to switch

2008-03-27 Thread Alistair Crust
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 13:03 +, Stephen O'Neill wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Alistair Crust wrote:
 | They will not have to employ anyone else full time to
 | maintain it.
 
 
 If an automated update breaks something overnight then at 9am teachers
 are relying on the computers to
 deliver lessons then you need someone to be able to sort it out there
 and then. Outsourced support options may not always be able to provide
 this - particularly if you need onsite assistance in a remote area. I
 think that most schools would be wanting someone who could fix it very
 close by.

Most things can be fixed remotely, of course there are some things that
can't. In that instance would it not be feasible for the person (who we
have already established normally can follow bullet pointed instruction
on a que sheet) who is responsible for co-ordinating ict to follow
instructions over the phone from someone who knows how to fix it. You
don't have to understand why your typing things but the tech support on
the other end of the phone does.

For hardware failure it makes no odds what OS or system your running
you'd still need someone able to physically install equipment or (less
technical) know how to place an order for a replacement. This doesn't
need to be an expert, just someone who is clever enough to follow
instructions and hold a telephone.

In my opinion the biggest challenge in adoption is the political
reasoning not technical reasoning. There is always some company pushing
there own agenda, selling licenses, more licenses, premium phone support
for buggy software, more licenses, upgraded hardware after x years, etc
and there will be teachers and management that just blindly accept the
norm, the spin, advertising and hidden agendas without looking at the
technical merits of something different. Just because its different does
it make it technically inferior.. no. In the same breath, just because
its proprietary and the norm does it make it inferior... no. But we as
taxpayers and tax spenders have a responsibility to look at all the
options available, and should not be forcing pupils to use any one
particular vendor.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Persuading a school to switch

2008-03-26 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 21:43 +, James Grabham wrote:
 Skegness. Grammar School...
 
 eh...
 
 XD
 
 On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Dianne Reuby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Skegness Grammar use Linux - you can find their IT department
 case study
 of the advantages here:
 http://www.schoolforge.org.uk/index.php/Skegness_Grammar
 
 Dianne
 
 
 On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 +, Craig wrote:
  Hello everyone,
 
I have been an Ubuntu user for not very long (since
 around October) and
  have been amazed at the stability, compatibility and
 usability amongst
  many other things. I think it really shows what a community
 can do if
  they pull together - they can develop an operating system
 that (in my
  biased opinion) is better than that of a multi-billion pound
 company.
I am 13 and go to Court Moor School in Hampshire. The
 school is very
  keen on getting the latest technology - virtual learning
 environments,
  computerised registration etc. Currently I am persuading
 various people
  around the school to switch to ubuntu. I have found quite a
 few people
  who would be interested in having someone who really knows
 what they're
  talking about to show them some of the features and the
 security they
  could use and some of the things included in edubuntu.
Obviously this is still in early stages, I was just
 wondering if this
  is something that anyone would possibly be interested in
 doing so I
  could negotiate further. Otherwise, any ideas on ways to
 persuade a
  school to switch to ubuntu?
 
  Craig.
 
 
 
 
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to give it it's new title  'The' Skegness Grammar School lol

although I fail to see what difference the The makes. 

;-)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Podcast Episode 2 recording this weekend.

2008-03-20 Thread Alistair Crust
On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 13:08 +, Andy Smith wrote:
 Hi Kris,
 
 On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:30:13PM +, Kris Douglas wrote:
  What kind of content can we expect to see?
 
 Audio mostly, but possibly gaseous and heat components from Mr Pope.
 
 Cheers,
 Andy

 You know what could be really nice? at the end of every podcast (or at
a time between shows) a small summary of whats up in the next issue
posted to the site.

 This idea comes from two places. Firstly Linux Format does this in
their magazine, nothing too detailed just rough headliners for next
month issue. Secondly raves, if you've ever been to one (Most of you
won't) they tend to have people giving out flyers to forthcoming events
with a list of music styles and DJ's (Monotonous Boom Boom Boom is not
a style! lol) giving ravers the chance to know whats coming up and if
they fancy going.

 This could also help to generate more feedback/suggestions on the
content before it's finally recorded, edited and cast in digital stone
(as it were).

Just an idea though.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] windows

2008-03-18 Thread Alistair Crust
On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 21:00 +, Rob Beard wrote:
 Daniel Lamb wrote:
  http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/image.php?u=3411type=sigpicdateline=1181677427
   
  http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/image.php?u=3411type=sigpicdateline=1181677427
  
  Probably old news I found it funny.
  
  
 
 LOL that's great.  Not sure what's better, satanic messages or Windows?
 
 Rob

kinda reminds me of something they'd say on top-gear.

Rumour has it he's an alien, intent on world domination.
All we know he's called Bill

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

2008-03-12 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 19:03 +, alan c wrote:
 Alan Pope wrote:
 [...]
 
 I really like the idea of a Ubuntu-UK podcast, I cannot listen to it 
 yet and am looking forward to it.
 
 The main issue here seems to be one of people identifying with 
 Ubuntu-UK yet feeling alienated from a UK branded, creative, event. In 
 saying this I emphasise that this does not mean I believe that they 
 either were, or were not, alienated.
 
  In my opinion we had a common consensus Ubuntu-UK should make a podcast. 
 
 I have no problem with this, I did not follow its discussion anyway. I 
 am also ok if a bunch of people who want to, and who can, actually get 
 to do it and do not wait for greater authority, other comments, whatever.
 
 However, there might have been advantage in a pre publication 'press 
 release' say, when more than half way through the process. If 
 resources were available, a few QA and comments. This would have 
 enabled some others to identify with the activity rather than later 
 being taken unawares. Pre-pub press release or similar with the 
 intention to inform is useful in a dispersed group to assist in 
 cohesion. Such a press release does not invite creative feeback or 
 review, just informs of actions and impending events. This can 
 strengthen the self confidence of the wider team.
 
 Surprises are almost always of negative effect and if they can avoided 
 all the better. If the surprise is intentional, (hopefully not), then 
 the motives need review I suggest.
 
 I look forward to more podcasts. FWIW the only podcast I (previously) 
 listened to is the linux action show.
 -- 
 alan cocks
 Kubuntu user#10391
 

Motives and politics aside the whole surprise thing and the posts by
Chris Rowson (and subsequent discussion) have (and slightly counter
intuitively some may say) actually been constructive and helped. My
reasoning is this:

What are we all talking about now Ubuntu-UK podcast!, that's what.
That in itself has raised awareness of its existence and can only be a
good thing in my opinion.

Secondly Chris's posts, the discussion that has evolved and the issue of
inclusion and open discussion of the project. This has, as I see it, had
an affect that people who may not have expressed opinion are feeling
compelled to write posts (I include myself in this being a rather quiet
member of late), give praise, comments, suggestions etc etc... aka Get
Involved. This too can only be a good thing in my opinion and would not
have happened without the surprise triggering his posts.

At this point though I would like to make an analogy. if you follow what
is meant then great, if you don't then congratulations you've just seen
an insight into my very odd mind.

Alcohol.. drink just a little can be a good thing, carry on drinking and
people do stupid things and/or pass-out (amongst other things). As I see
it it's the same with complaining about things past! So I call to put
complaining aside and concentrate on the walk back home to the nice warm
bed.

I believe no harm is done, the project has been realised AND people have
been told about it an asked for comments, sugestions... to help.

I would like to point out though in Chris's defence had that not
happened (the project remaining closed for assistance) then I think he
would have had a fully valid point. That however didn't happen so is a
mute point in this instance.

So now the project is running and open lets move to helping out now
rather than spending our efforts debating the finer points of then. I
plan on doing my bit by promoting the podcast within our school and
possibly getting the kids to do reviews and suggestions.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fwd: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?

2008-02-27 Thread Alistair Crust
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 07:55 +, Tony Arnold wrote:
 Kris,
 
 Kris Douglas wrote:
  -- Forwarded message --
  From: Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:03 AM
  Subject: OT: Small tremor just now? Earthquake?
  To: StaffSlug Linux UserGroup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
  I'm no geologist.. But at 12:57 on 27th... I felt the whole house
   shake... as in my monitor was moving, as was the stuff in my
   cupboard... and there were no large vehicles passing outside.
  
   The feeling was very weird, I couldn't say it was an earthquake... but
   It was damn weird.
  
   Thought I'd just let you know. I'm in Staffordshire near Leek and
   Cheadle... FYI.
 
 Yep, felt it here in Stockport too! It woke me up!
 
 Regards,
 Tony.
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I woke up, mainly because people were txting me to see if I felt it, but
I do vaguely remember something that made me stir.

I live in Skendleby, kind of mid way between skegness and ludborough the
reported epicentre (nr Market Rasin) my main concern was my sister in
Gainsbourgh and the school. They seam to have had the brunt of it with
quite a few chimneys and the like falling, and in Skegness it caused a
fire apparently but I can't find anywhere I can confirm that.

I am surprised that Grimsby didn't catch it hot though, its even nearer.
Then again I'm no geologist so I don't know about patterns of
destruction given off by a quake.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broken Synaptic

2008-02-18 Thread Alistair Crust
On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 11:47 +, Paul Tansom wrote:
 Does anyone have any ideas why Synaptic and add/remove programs would
 both be insisting on using a proxy that is no longer configured? I've
 not only disabled, but removed the configuration information for the
 proxy in Synaptic. I've checked that there is no /etc/apt/apt.conf proxy
 information (in fact Synaptic seems to have deleted it). Sadly using
 aptitude on the command line was also insisting on using a proxy until I
 rebooted! I can now upgrade things, but not through Synaptic. That's
 fine by me in terms of being able to use things, but wouldn't be so good
 for a normal end user, and does leave me wondering what else may be
 broken.


Have you looked in the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ directory. There are a bunch
of files in there, in one of them you may find a proxy setting. I recall
setting up proxying for some of my servers here by adding a line in one
of those files (although I now use apt-cache for that job). Doing the
reverse should just be a case of removing the line containing the proxy
and running 'apt-get update'.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OpenSSI on Ubuntu (with LTSP thrown in for good measure)

2008-01-30 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 16:43 +, Rob Beard wrote:
... snip
 Great thanks, I'll have a look.  I dare say the one server which we're
 going to use (Core2Quad 2.4GHz with 4GB memory) will be over kill for
 the 6 clients we're going to have attached, but the geek in me would
 also like to play with clustering.


We have 3 * HP Proliant DL140 G2 (Dual, dual core Zeons with 8Gb Ram)
running 150~ clients. The interesting thing for performance is a really
fast disk read, we use 2 * 18Gb SCSI ultra320 with RAID 1.

How would you deal with users home directories? We have a dedicated
server with NFS+NIS that allows the 3 LTSP Servers to mount home over
NFS and authenticate from NIS. So as far as management or users go its a
doddle, as you have all the users home directories etc in one place (for
the paranoid, you could also load balance/failover these services too).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OpenSSI on Ubuntu (with LTSP thrown in for good measure)

2008-01-29 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 15:41 +, Rob Beard wrote:
...snip
 Anyway, one of the guy's who is involved with the project mentioned  
 about setting up some sort of clustering so that the burden of running  
 multiple clients can be spread over two or more machines.
 
 I've found details on OpenSSI which appears to support LTSP on Fedora  
 Core 3 although the details are a bit lacking.  I was wondering if  
 anyone had had a play around with OpenSSI on Ubuntu, and even better  
 OpenSSI and LTSP on the same installation of Ubuntu?
 
 Rob

Never tried it, but if you are running two machines then you can use
dhcpd load balancing and fail-over (check the man pages for dhcpd).

Or (and a way that works well for us with 150+ thin clients and 3
servers) dynamical assigned static ip's (ip's allocated dynamicaly based
on the mac address of the requesting client). Regardless of which server
responds the client always gets the same ip, so you won't end up with a
mess of ip's allocated to two different machines and the client will use
the responding server to boot from.

A variation from the above is allocating a set block of ips from the
subnet to each of the dhcpd servers. But potentially you could end up
with a client having multiple ip's (better than an ip having multiple
clients though!) and could lead to you running out of leases.

With both the above the idea is that the server with the least load will
reply quickest to a dhcpd request and thus the client will use that
server to boot from, rather than a loaded one.

I have also heard that the latest edubuntu/ltsp packages have load
balancing support, so a trip to the edubuntu mailing lists could be
good. They are a friendly bunch and most of the people responsible for
the ltsp bits hang out there.

If you end up trying it I would be interested to know how or if you get
local devices/sound to work.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] A question for sysadmins

2008-01-09 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2008-01-08 at 18:48 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
snip
 I work in a Windows based IT department (the only Linux stuff we have
 is a couple of servers I've put in - and they usually end up getting
 replaced with a Windows box sooner or later whether I like it or not
 lol), and unfortunately that's the OS the backup storage device is
 running. Rsync server component won't work on Windows will it?

Maybe over a Samba share, yes. Although I've never personally done it.

I use rsnapshot and its really great, saves me from some right headaches
I can tell you. Anyway I'd recommend talking to the guys on the
rsnapshot mailing list, they're very helpful.

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[ubuntu-uk] feeling christmasy... virtualy not any more!

2007-12-21 Thread Alistair Crust
Hi,
 After listening to episode 89 of the LugRadio podcasts* I decided that
just for a laugh (with the end of term being today) it would be a really
good time to lean about xen and virtualisation.

 Xen on gutsy just hasn't worked for me at all, after hitting nearly
every reported (and un-resolved) bug there is with xen and gutsy on
launchpad I conceded defeat (using gutsy at least). I've reached the
stage where I've just had enough of trawling through bug reports and
applying workarounds, but I digress.

 I've now turned to centOS 5 after a recommendation from a friend, and
the installation of the domO went really well and I'm very very
impressed.

 My problem is that I want to install ubuntu virtual machines. Using
virt-install to install a domU I can only manage to get centOS guests.

 Does anyone know of any way to install an ubuntu domU easily, either
with or without the use of virt-install, and without the use of the
xen-tools package (this is not included with centOS AFAIK).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] edubuntu

2007-11-16 Thread Alistair Crust
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 18:52 +, andylockran wrote:
 Alistair,
 
 I was at FLOSSiE at the Bolton TIC in 2006 and was really impressed by your 
 work.  I've not noticed you on the list before - so here's a quick Well 
 Done from a fan!
 
 Andy
 
 On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:23:34 +, Alistair Crust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 14:00 +, andylockran wrote:
  Norman,
 
  I _really_ like edubuntu so much that it's become my choice for the
  desktop at home.  It was great fun to have friends at uni come with their
  XP laptops complaining about their speed - and set them up to boot off
  their network cards onto my edubuntu server.
 
  That's only a small part of it.  (I find the interactive periodic table
  far too exciting) - I wish I'd had something like that when I was at
  school.
 
  Enjoy it!
  
  803 Pupils here enjoy it (although we don't use a true edubuntu server,
  we use just use ubuntu + ltsp4.2 + extra packages installed by
  edubuntu), and thanks to shipit.edubuntu.org and shipit.ubuntu.com the
  school library is regularly giving away *ubuntu cd for the masses.
  
  even new laptops get xp/vista replaced by an edubuntu workstation.


WooHoo my very own fan ;-)

I must admit its not all me, my boss Garry Saddington is the main drive
within the school.

He's busy working on scholarpack our MIS replacment for SIMS and
Integris and I must admit its really looking quite good. In-fact I think
he's even looking for other schools/people to try it out.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] edubuntu

2007-11-15 Thread Alistair Crust
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 14:00 +, andylockran wrote:
 Norman,
 
 I _really_ like edubuntu so much that it's become my choice for the desktop 
 at home.  It was great fun to have friends at uni come with their XP laptops 
 complaining about their speed - and set them up to boot off their network 
 cards onto my edubuntu server.
 
 That's only a small part of it.  (I find the interactive periodic table far 
 too exciting) - I wish I'd had something like that when I was at school.
 
 Enjoy it!

803 Pupils here enjoy it (although we don't use a true edubuntu server,
we use just use ubuntu + ltsp4.2 + extra packages installed by
edubuntu), and thanks to shipit.edubuntu.org and shipit.ubuntu.com the
school library is regularly giving away *ubuntu cd for the masses.

even new laptops get xp/vista replaced by an edubuntu workstation.

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[Bug 132059] drbd.ko needs unknown symbol crypto_hmac

2007-08-12 Thread Alistair Crust
Public bug reported:

When setting up xen/drbd for a cluster using ubuntu feisty server, the
installation of drbd fails.

I used the following steps and referenced bugs #105552 and #81522.

install ubuntu-7.04-server-i386.
sudo aptitude update
sudo aptitude upgrade
sudo aptitude install ubuntu-xen-server xen-headers-2.6.29-4-server
sudo reboot
sudo apt-get build-dep drbd8-module-source
sudo apt-get install drbd8-utils drbd8-module-source

(edit Makefiles in accordance with #81522)
sudo tar xzf /usr/src/drbd8.tar.gz
sudo nano /usr/src/modules/drbd/Makefile
sudo nano /usr/src/modules/drbd/drbd/Makefile
sudo nano /usr/src/modules/drbd/drbd/Makefile-2.6

(recreate drbd8.tar.gz for use by module-assistant)
sudo tar czf /usr/src/drbd8.tar.gz /usr/src/modules

(create symbolic link in accordance with #105552)
sudo ln  -s /usr/src/xensudo ln -s 
/usr/src/xen-headers-2.6.19-4-server/include/linux/autoconf.h 
/usr/src/xen-headers-2.6.19-4-server/include/linux/config.h

sudo m-a a-i drbd8-module

at this point m-a returns amongst other things:

WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.19-4-server/kernel/drivers/block/drbd.ko
needs unknown symbol crypto_hmac

running sudo update-modules and then sudo modprobe drbd yeilds:

FATAL: Error inserting drbd
(/lib/modules/2.6.19-4-server/kernel/drivers/block/drbd.ko): Unknown
symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

** Affects: drbd8 (Ubuntu)
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[Bug 119103] Re: there is a plugin for OO.o that allows you to open stuff in firefox can we add this feature please

2007-06-08 Thread Alistair Crust
I've been doing some digging and found this

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49590

I don't know if this may be relavent

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[Bug 119103] Re: there is a plugin for OO.o that allows you to open stuff in firefox can we add this feature please

2007-06-07 Thread Alistair Crust
Ok, so we're a school wanting to open OO.o documents inside a
firefox/mozilla window.

We have written a webbased app for marking and review of work. The
students upload their work and use a traffic light system to show how
hard or easy they found the work. The teacher logs on to mark the work
and is given a page that is basically a frameset, left frame is for the
teacher to place their marking and comments for the student, and the
right frame is for displaying the students work, be it odp,odt,odf or
whatever.

OO.o comes with a really neat plugin for firefox that is included by default on 
windows but not Ubuntu.
It appears as if sometime after breezy the file in question (libnsplugin.so) 
hasn't been built into the ubuntu package by default.

in dedian there is this package package:
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mozilla-openoffice.org

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Re: [Bug 104332] Re: Segmentation Fault (core dumped)

2007-04-23 Thread Alistair Crust
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 15:42 +, Supermike wrote:
 John Florian -- with Dapper, Edgy, or Feisty? I have Dapper LTS because
 I want to be on something as stable as possible. I'm about two minutes
 from calling Canonical to pay for support so that I can learn how to
 roll back last Wednesday or Thursday's Xorg patch so that my rdesktop
 goes back to working again. I depend on rdesktop very heavily still in
 my day job, unfortunately, because Evolution has not worked well for me,
 as I describe in this thread:
 
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2516247#post2516247
 
 I also have to connect to Windows servers as part of my day job for LAN
 management.
 

In synaptic search for libx11-6 and select it, then click on the package
menu and select force version, you should then be able to roll back to
the version before the security patched edition that broke things. you
can then lock the version if needed, again via the package menu.

If that doesn't work you can easily re-apply the security patch.

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[Bug 107643] Re: rdesktop segfaults after xlib11 updates

2007-04-19 Thread Alistair Crust
Same here, we have rdesktop 1.4.1 on Dapper.

We have 800 Kids trying to connect to legacy programs on a Win2003
TerminalServer.

They run rdesktop from command line, get a logon screen, try to log on
but then it drops back top the command line with a message that its
segfaulted.

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[Bug 107643] Re: rdesktop segfaults after xlib11 updates

2007-04-19 Thread Alistair Crust
I can confirm, see attached comment

** Changed in: rdesktop (Ubuntu)
   Status: Unconfirmed = Confirmed

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[Bug 95421] Re: [apport] gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in wnck_workspace_get_width()

2007-03-24 Thread Alistair Crust

** Attachment added: CoreDump.gz
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918439/CoreDump.gz

** Attachment added: Dependencies.txt
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918440/Dependencies.txt

** Attachment added: Disassembly.txt
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918442/Disassembly.txt

** Attachment added: ProcMaps.txt
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918443/ProcMaps.txt

** Attachment added: ProcStatus.txt
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918444/ProcStatus.txt

** Attachment added: Registers.txt
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918445/Registers.txt

** Attachment added: Stacktrace.txt
   http://librarian.launchpad.net/6918446/Stacktrace.txt

** Attachment added: ThreadStacktrace.txt
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[Bug 95421] [apport] gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in wnck_workspace_get_width()

2007-03-24 Thread Alistair Crust
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: gnome-panel

followed instructions here https://launchpad.net/bugs/89786 and tried
getting a cube (pressing ctrl+alt+tab and different combinations).

I would like to use the cube feature, its enabled in the desktop-effects
but I haven't found any instructions for its use yet that is to say
not easily enough to find within 30 mins of searching online. I suppose
it helps if you know what your looking for in the first place.

ProblemType: Crash
Architecture: i386
CrashCounter: 1
Date: Sat Mar 24 11:28:27 2007
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 7.04
ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/gnome-panel
Package: gnome-panel 2.18.0-0ubuntu2
PackageArchitecture: i386
ProcCmdline: gnome-panel --sm-client-id 107416a8bc0001174732610005301 
--screen 0
ProcCwd: /home/alistair
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
 LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
Signal: 11
SourcePackage: gnome-panel
StacktraceTop:
 wnck_workspace_get_width () from /usr/lib/libwnck-1.so.18
 _gtk_marshal_BOOLEAN__BOXED ()
 ?? () from /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0
 ?? ()
 ?? ()
Uname: Linux fantastix 2.6.20-12-generic #2 SMP Wed Mar 21 20:55:46 UTC 2007 
i686 GNU/Linux
UserGroups: adm admin audio cdrom dialout dip floppy lpadmin netdev plugdev 
powerdev scanner video

** Affects: gnome-panel (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Unconfirmed

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Linux Survey (until 23rd March)

2007-03-15 Thread Alistair Crust
On Thu, 2007-03-15 at 10:17 +, Dave Ewart wrote:
snip
 One of the points made is that, under a Windows pre-install, various
 companies pay to have other software included (trial versions of Norton
 AV and so on) that have a net effect of subsidising the cost of the PC.
 One claim is that this is enough to counter-act the cost of the Windows
 OEM licence and, as a result, a Linux PC (or a no OS at all PC) will
 as a result be more expensive than a Windows PC.
 
 So, in hardware cost terms, it may still really be cheaper for customers
 who ultimately want Linux to just buy the Windows PC and then wipe off
 Windows, together with all the other trial software that includes.
/snip

You have to ask why do these software companies want to do this.

If machines were shipped with linux as an option their prospective
target audience would dwindle. How long would it be before these
companies got wise an started releasing their software for linux too.
Just to claw back their target audience.

This has the benefit of 1) forcing software vendors to look at support
linux and 2) bringing down the cost of hardware just as it does with
pre-installed windows.

Did I hear someone say chicken or the egg? which came first?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Fwd: [SWLUG] Open government IT projects]

2007-01-22 Thread Alistair Crust
Similar idea to the bill referenced in:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/19/ms_in_peruvian_opensource_nightmare/

a very good read !

On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 15:55 +, Benjamin Webb wrote:
 Interesting idea, I think I might sign it. Just one thing so, could
 you give me some examples of the programs this would apply to - just
 want to know what I'm asking to be freed up by putting my name on
 there.
 
 --Bjwebb 
 
 On 22/01/07, Andrew Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Slightly off-topic I'm afraid. Thought this might be
 interesting to some
 of the Ubuntu UK team members...
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: [SWLUG] Open government IT projects
 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:35:24 + (GMT) 
 From: Steve Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 I've created a petition on the E-petitions website, promoting
 the idea 
 that the tax payer should have access to the source code of IT
 projects we
 have paid for:
  http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Open-IT-projects/
 
 Please sign it if you agree with the principle (obviously
 there are 
 exceptions where projects cannot be open, such as defense,
 etc).
 
 Software written using public funds should have it's source
 code
 published under a distribution licence that has been declared
 Free by the 
 Free Software Foundation, rather than remaining a closed
 secret.
 
 This would allow for more of the public to benefit from the
 development of
 the software since the code would be available for anyone to
 use and 
 improve. Furthermore, compatibility with other Free licences
 (such as the
 GPL) would promote rapid development and reduced costs through
 the reuse
 of existing code.
 
 An open development model would also allow the public to be
 more informed 
 of the progress and quality of these projects, which so
 frequently seem to
 end up severely over budget.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Open Source Challenges Vista at U.K. Education Show

2007-01-18 Thread Alistair Crust
If we all keep avocating, using and pushing suppliers for linux support the 
momentum should snowball.

Esp' as alot of vendors see education as a wallet with no bounds. They know 
they can always come back to education and say. This product will do 
*insert latest buzzwords here* .. and inevitably managment and 
non-technical types say OK, if you say so.

If people then start to say, Hey we want it to work with linux the 
bussinesses will miss out on a major developing revenue stream... unless 
they comply.

Isn't it strange the power money has. Or at least the risk of loosing it. 
For business it makes it even harder to bear if they arn't loosing out to 
another company.

This is all IMHO naturally.

Regards
Alistair

- Original Message - 
From: Colin_The_Technician

 Well bugger me, the worm is turning.
 Never knew Smartboard had a Linux version.  We have about 50
 smartboards in our school, so I'll have to give it a try.

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[Bug 79109] Re: feisty-alternate-i386 for herd-2 cannot install kernel from CDROM

2007-01-17 Thread Alistair Crust
I'm seeing the same problem, I too have a i386 SMP machine.

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[Bug 79109] Re: feisty-alternate-i386 for herd-2 cannot install kernel from CDROM

2007-01-17 Thread Alistair Crust
also seeing Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found

CPU's are Athlon MP's 
mobo is: Asus K7D Master

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[Bug 50308] Re: OpenOffice does open on server using LTSP or FreeNX client

2007-01-17 Thread Alistair Crust
Are you using edubuntu ltsp packages or packages from ltsp.org?

Could you explain a little more about the user and how they are logged
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[Bug 79109] Re: feisty-alternate-i386 for herd-2 cannot install kernel from CDROM

2007-01-17 Thread Alistair Crust
install nosmp noapic doesn't work either.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reply from my MP!!!!

2006-11-29 Thread Alistair Crust
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 13:24 +, ged byrom wrote:
 I wrote my MP after midnight last night (today) and I've already had my 
 reply. 
 This is it :
 
 
 Dear Mr Byrom
 
 I am Chairman of the Board of Directors responsible for the Bolton
 Technical Innovation Centre Ltd on Minerva Rd. When we were setting the
 place up, we had a long discussion about 'open' and 'closed' IT systems,
 and decided that the best option for an innovation centre was Linux. 
 We host a conference for those that believe in 'open' systems every
 year. So, I am well aware of your concerns. A lot of schools are
 switching over now. I will be seeing Zentec again in Bolton next Friday,
 who do a lot of work with schools in the IT area, so it is a subject
 that I have an interest in.
 
 Dr. Brian Iddon
 Member of Parliament for Bolton South East
 020 7219 2096
 
 
 So there's hope for us yet !!!
 
 Regards 
 
 Ged 
 

Ah ha...  the Bolto TIC host of schoolforge-uk's conference last year. I
went along and gave a presentation, the reception was really good
although I felt that it was a bit like preaching to the converted.

On a side note there is a top notch sandwich bar just down the road ;)
yum yum

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[ubuntu-uk] Dapper and Cups in a school environment

2006-11-06 Thread Alistair Crust
Hi,

To fill you in I am from Skegness Grammar School an 800+ pupil school in
Lincolnshire. We run Ubuntu Dapper as a thin client environment right
throughout the school and use it to teach ALL curriculum lessons.

Just recently we have had a few problems printing from the four LTSP
servers we have. (we don't use edubuntu due to Local Disk Access,
although in a few months we will be trying edgy on a test server. Anyway
I digress). I think the reason is that we have the four app servers
accessing the jetdirect enables printers directly insteed of on server
managing all. We also would like to allow access to sertain printers
from all machines but only from staff accounts, thus:

My idea was to install a Dapper server and on it cupsys et al. Then
administer via web (from a set number of machines, e.i. My office, staff
room, anywhere the kids don't have access). 

Problem is that the web interface is disabled by default.. not a problem
I hear you cry. Wrong! after enabling the / and /admin sections via the
cupsd.conf Allow directive the web site does indeed become accessible,
problem is that when trying to add a printer the web interface is asking
for an upgrade because I am not accessing it from https://. I know this
is some kind of licence issue using ssl, but I don't want to use https.
and even when I install openssl the thing still doesn't work. I have
googled and there has been a few posts relating to my problem here but
none that actually fix the problem, after trying the suggestions the
trail just goes cold.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dapper and Cups in a school environment

2006-11-06 Thread Alistair Crust
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 09:04 +, tim matthews wrote:
 firstly, let me say how great it is that your school is using open 
 source. that means that money not spent on commericial software, is 
 money saved by the school and can be spent for other things.

There should be something going on fridge soon. I had a guy from
canonical email me to take our case study I just need to get his some
pictures of our labs, and happy smiley people using it productively. All
the kids are happy with it, esp' at lunch when they swamp the labs to
play flash games online!

 from what I understand here, you want to use cups for some printers. 
 your setup is very well done (thin clients, great stuff). however, I did 
 find one limitation on ubuntu ... using cups.

I'm finding that out too.. If ubuntu wants to get into the enterprise
more, this will have to be addressed at some stage. Do I hear someone
say Put an option on the server install cd to install a pre-configured
cups server.. email server, headless ltsp server etal I would be more
than willing to test stuff out in this respect.

 Ubuntu expects you to use their panel interface for cups, not 
 http://localhost:661/. I found this out the hard way, if I had known it 
 would have only taken me five minutes to set up the printing on my 
 ubuntu box!
 maybe you might want to consider using the ubuntu server version .. 
 maybe then you could use cups itself through its webinterface?
 
 just my guess ... anyway, let me know the solution !

I am in-fact using the dapper server, then installing cupsys cupsys-bsd
fommatic-filters-ppds etc etc

Adding Allow my.net.work.ip

to / and /admin in cupsd.conf has enabled the web interface. 

Up to this point is fantastic.

Adding the printer is where I have problems. As soon as I finish the
setup and click add printer the page asks me to upgrade or access
the /admin via https. If this https has been complied out by the package
maintainers upstream then why is it still asking me for https when
adding a printer? It just doesn't make sense to me.

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[Bug 65173] Re: Crash on startup

2006-10-11 Thread Alistair Crust
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 64350 ***

Ah ha, here is the attachment. Bid odd I couldn't wasn't presented with
this option before submitting my bug report.

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[Bug 65173] Crash on startup

2006-10-10 Thread Alistair Crust
Public bug reported:

Tried starting from ApplicationsAccessoriesOnBoard

And crashed. Gave a link to a file to include in bug report, but
wouldn't paste into Bon Echo.

** Affects: onboard (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Unconfirmed

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[Bug 59983] Re: ndiswrapper in edgy broken

2006-09-21 Thread Alistair Crust
I found a something in the /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper script.

for x in /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-[^b]*

I'm a newbie really but if I take the [^b] out it works.

What is this reg' exp' meant to do exactly?

I think this bug may also be linked to #45909 and #60630 ?

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[Bug 45909] Re: ndisgtk doesn't install driver

2006-09-21 Thread Alistair Crust
I think this may be linked to bug #59983

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hi

2006-06-14 Thread Alistair Crust
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 12:41 +0100, Leon Barker wrote:
 
 It's been mentioned lately that the English-speaking LoCo
 teams have a slightly different role from the non-English
 ones; since the main Ubuntu site is in English translation of
 support materials is obviously irrelevant.  That said, there
 are plenty of things that are specific to the UK that people
 around here are keep to develop and the UKTeam wiki pages
 should give you a good feel for those.
 
 
 I say translate 'em into Welsh. (then bilingual schools in Wales can
 use edubuntu)
 
 Leon Barker
 
 
Or scott.. or geordy, cockney, etc.

Hell I live on the southern tip of the wolds in lincs and some times I
struggle to understand people from the fens (Boston area). I think
without going overkill we should bring back regional dialects.

wat u sey mee-aty? (what do you say matey in linconshire-ish)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Advocacy

2006-03-13 Thread Alistair Crust
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 11:54 +, Paul Sladen wrote:
 On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Alistair Crust wrote:
 
 Hello Alistair,
 
  Hi I'm from a school in Lincolnshire [..] we are experimenting with
  edubuntu-dapper and trying to include Local Disk Access. This would be
  the icing on the cake.
 
 Oooh.  Wow.  Would you be willing to write a small article for:
 
   http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
 
 about why you are trying out Edubuntu (eg. less work for yourself because
 it's already close to what you're after).  Photographes of rooms full of
 PC's running Linux are particularly good, even without any kids in them!
 
 Let me know if you'd like any assistance,
 
   -Paul
 -- 
 Britain is just cold, in a pesky way.  Nottingham, GB
 
 

Glad too. My boss has already made an article he published to the
education sector, so I should be able to adapt it to suit our current
situation.

Nothing much has changed other than we are looking into LDA and Sound,
and wanting to use Edubuntu instead of Debian but that is a logical
step as the two carry allot of similarities. We are however missing
pictures so I'll see what i can knock up. Empty class room it may have
to be, I'll check on the legality of showing kids in photos (they may
need parental consent... I think?).

I'll post back here and let you all know how I go.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Advocacy

2006-03-10 Thread Alistair Crust
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:19 +, john levin wrote:
 Adrian Mitchell wrote:
  Hi
  I'm looking for suggestions about spreading the use of Ubuntu.
   
  I'm very impressed with Ubuntu and I would like to do my best to 
  encourage the UK Voluntary Sector to make more use of FOSS - and Ubuntu 
  in particular.
  Trouble is, other than fairly casual conversations, I'm not sure of the 
  best way of doing this.
  Has anybody got any ideas?
   
  It seems to me that the voluntary sector and FOSS are a perfect match. 
  In fact I'd go as far as saying that the voluntary sector could be a 
  significant driving force in the wider acceptance of FOSS.
   
  Unfortunately even here Windows is ubiquitous - and even where 
  organisations might be prepared to switch to Linux there are problems 
  with knowledge/skills (particularly with regards to multi-platform 
  networks and network admin/security issues) - but also problems with the 
  fact that a lot of 3rd party/custom/proprietry software being used 
  within these organisations only runs on Windows.
   
  Presumably the only way to put pressure on these software developers is 
  for more people to use Linux - but we have a catch 22 since they (will 
  say they) can't use Linux with their existing software.
  The charity that I work for has this problem - both our central 
  database, and our websites currently only run on MS SQL and use .Net.
  Is there a simple way of getting around this?
   
  Adrian Mitchell
  
 
 My feeling is that there are quite a lot of small initiatives for 
 bringing FLOSS into the voluntary sector (and public sector), spread all 
 round the country. An example of a complete (and cheap) linux (Red Hat 
 and LTSP in this case) solution:
 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39166840,00.htm
 For national co-ordination, there's the social source events:
 http://www.socialsource.org.uk/
 (Don't know what the current status is with that; the site doesn't seem 
 to have been updated since November last year.)
 
 As far as Ubuntu specifically, I don't know of any deployments in the 
 Vol/NGO sector in the UK.
 
 Interesting round-up
 http://www.lasa.org.uk/cgi-bin/publisher/display.cgi?1427-10103-12611+computanews
 
 My hunch is that the way to spread FLOSS is start with Firefox, so 
 people don't have to jump straight into a new OS, but can see the 
 benefits of free software quickly and in practice. Start with the 
 (Canonical-supported) Open Cd:
 http://www.theopencd.org/
 which comes with a cut-down version of Ubuntu Live.
 
 If there are enough people on this list involved in the voluntary 
 sector, it could be worth starting an Ubuntu-for-Orgs.uk initiative, to 
 promote and support orgs wanting to use FLOSS.
 
 HTH
 
 John
 

Hi I'm from a school in Lincolnshire and we have been using linux and
FLOSS for some time now (My boss says 3years +). We give the open cd
away in our library to anyone who wants it, and the uptake has been
great, we found that the cd's went quite quickly at first but now people
copy the cd's and bring them back in for us to share again.

We do all ICT Teaching on linux systems and have firefox and openoffice
on most of the other windows machines in school.

we use debian sarge with ltsp, firefox, nvu, xmlmind, openoffice, and
zope for a-level projects.

although we are experimenting with edubuntu-dapper and trying to include
Local Disk Access. This would be the icing on the cake.

If you or anyone has any furthur questions please feel free to ask them
or email 

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