Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Well - feel free to use if for whatever, like I say - it was an experiment, if you want to submit it as the team logo again (of course if everyone is in agreement) then feel free, if you don't feel free ;-) - I didn't have a particular function in mind when I created it, and donate it freely to the team. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
I did a fresh install of Feisty yesterday. This is looking like it's going to be an amazing release, and if we can't win over new users with this, then our approach is probably wrong, because the software certainly isn't. I think to push Ubuntu the Windows and Mac user we really have to market it. Your average user isn't to bothered about how something works, they just want it to have spangly flashy whizzy buttons and a cool reputation. It'd be a great idea if Ubuntu was to set up a site where users could contribute videos to advertise Ubuntu - like mozilla did with http://www.firefoxflicks.com Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
This has been suggested in the past. As far as I can tell it never moved off the this would be nice drawing board. Congratulations on volunteering to take up the batton.. :) lol - Hey I'd be happy to set something up - The videos would have to be youtube hosted however as although I have access to a server - bandwidth would become a consideration. did firefoxflicks really promote firefox all that much? or did it just preach to the converted. Well I don't know really. I'm supposing that they wouldn't have bothered if it had no impact at all, and turning even one person onto linux is better than turning none on to it ;-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts
Alan is being modest here. He has already contributed several howto screen casts. Check out http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/ Yeah, I've seen Alan's screen casts already and they're great. The problem is I'd consider these to be post-adoption tutorials rather than something inciting people to try Ubuntu for the first time, or find out more. Well, there is a guy collecting all sorts of videos on Ubuntu, but I haven't had time to assess his site: http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/ If you want to let me know what you think, I'll be indebted to ya! Again, interesting for someone on the inside of the open-source community, thinking about changing to linux or new to Ubuntu, but not interesting enough to grab someone's attention. Let me give you an example. My fiancé thinks computers are boring. I showed her the Mac Vs PC adverts and she laughed her head off! - She still thinks computer are boring, but now she now knows that a Mac is less prone to virus's than a PC. Why? Because the learning was sneaked in under the radar whilst she was enjoying herself watching a funny ad. If she had to buy a new computer alone, she (as a non-techie) now knows something about Macs That's what I think all of the videos are lacking. We don't (always) have to attract the hardcore Ubuntu nerds who know everything about the OS, we need input from creative media types too. Joe Bloggs is bored at work, he's surfing for youtube for comedy and he's exposed to an amusing Ubuntu advert (where we slide in the facts that its free, secure and easy to use). He goes home and lo and behold he has an nt bootloader error on his Win XP machine. He goes to get the restore disk - and it's not there. So, he's faced with a choice. Either buy XP again (no way!) or pirate XP (no, he's a good lad). No - wait a minute, what about that Ubuntu thing I saw when looking for comedy? I could always try that I supposed... --- Bang... new user Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
On 27/03/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, see the recent advice from the Ubuntu webmaster for locoteams who customise the logo - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-March/001196.html So, if redesigning the logo, please follow his guidelines. Matt -- Hi Matt - If following the guidelines, it looks like we can't customise the logo at all! (Well, unless you count changing one small line of text as customisation...) Chris Also - when looking at the Demos https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Templates The two sites showcasing the new theme are still using their own logos ;-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
For example, see the recent advice from the Ubuntu webmaster for locoteams who customise the logo - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-March/001196.html So, if redesigning the logo, please follow his guidelines. Matt -- Hi Matt - If following the guidelines, it looks like we can't customise the logo at all! (Well, unless you count changing one small line of text as customisation...) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
It's likely that they were approved because Canonical have been quite easy in the past about this. However Matthew's email shows that they are now (rightly, in my opinion) looking to have more consistent logos used. Ah OK - So Canonical doesn't allow derivative works to be made of their logo anymore. That's a shame really, as I think it helps foster links between the community and Canonical. I don't work for Canonical - neither do most of the other members of LoCo groups, but I support the work that Canonical does. In my honest opinion this should at least be reflected in the merging of canonical imagery with community. Forcing a style is a little unpleasant. Just my tuppence worth ;-) Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Organisations have to be very protective about their trademarks. If they are allowed to be used freely as is or modified, then they can lose their trademark status through general usage. The Kleenex company in the US had this problem many years ago. I think there was a big court case about it. Regards, Tony. That's fair enough Tony. I was really commenting about Matt saying: Canonical is beginning to understand that customising the logo is in fact a bad idea and causes the initial logo to lose its power. I didn't mean using it without their permission so they loose trademark status because of general usage. I was commenting on the turnaround from granting derivative works to disallowing them if you see what I mean Regards Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu-uk graphics
Hi folks, I've been trying to get better at using Gimp and Inkscape and have created some ubuntu-uk artwork. It's a single graphic type jobby that'd be OK for a forum avatar, desktop icon or whatnot If anyone likes it, feel free to use it. If anyone has any feedback, please feel free to offer constructive criticism as I am a gimp and inkscape noob!!! http://justuber.com/graphics_and_artwork:ubuntu Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 6.06.1 newbie
or am i going senial, and investing in vista! language! :-) (invest?) It always confuses me when people pay to downgrade to vista lol ;-P Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Community distro ?
At the risk of being keelhauled - I gotta say - what he says does make sense to be fair :-S Chris On 23/03/07, Mark Shuttleworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Wood wrote: Two things have really touched a nerve with me recently and I would like to open a discussion. Firstly: [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#head-8c391b3699f3571c2aedfa7cb78adb4623206933 Feisty artwork will be designed by kwwii -- of Kubuntu Edgy and KDE Oxygen Icon fame. He will be working closely with sabdfl in the design. Do not expect community involvement in defining this portion. This seems to contradict entirely the description of ubuntu Ubuntu is a community developed, linux-based operating system - Ubuntu.com . We've struggled to get a cohesive community-directed art strategy. Despite bringing community art contributors to our developer summits, funding part-time work by community artists, and having a completely open process of contribution, we have not been able to produce a unified theme through a community lead process. We found that our approach was resulting in an environment where new artists would show up and expect to be able to lead, from scratch, a completely new theme that was to their taste. There was no clear community lead, but instead multiple fragmented efforts. Based on a deep review of our approach, we came to the conclusion that it's extremely difficult to get a core theme that is produced by multiple volunteer contributors where there is no definitive lead. By core theme I mean wallpaper, login, splash and boot splash. So, for Feisty, we are saying that there are two ways the community can contribute: 1. Develop complete themes, which we can evaluate, and if a theme emerges which is clean, consistent, complete, and of high quality then it can be included directly in Ubuntu, but not as the default. Such a theme could become the default in a future release if it wins widespread praise in the community. So far, I have not seen a theme emerge which meets these criteria. 2. Contribute to the fleshing out of a theme produced by a single, mandated designer. That designer, in this cycle, is Kwii. Folks who want to flesh out the default theme need to follow Kwii's lead. So far the Art work for Feisty has been rather doggy in my opinoin and I don't hold a huge amount of hope for it getting better. Not saying that Kwwii isn't a good artist but I don't see his art suiting the GNOME Desktop. It may turn out to be excellent but the discussion, ideas and contribution which is provided by having community involvement is going to be completely lost. We looked everywhere for artists, and in the end hired Kwii because we thought he was the best available. Secondly, why, with all the information i've been able to squeeze, won't ubuntu/canonical consider sponsoring GUADEC (GNOME User And Developer European Conference) but were willing to be Gold Sponsor of the last aKadamy ? (KDE's Conference) especially considering that GNOME is the desktop that Ubuntu and Edubuntu uses. Consider the total contribution and support we provide, in terms of full time salaries, bugs, patches, conference sponsorships, we felt that we already make a substantial contribution to GNOME and wanted to balance that with a sponsorship of KDE. These two issues I have seem to be linked by my feeling that ubuntu is an organisation who's community only has a pseudo influence over decisions that really matter. It would be in the ubuntu communities interest to be a sponsor of GUADEC and to have community involved art work. In Ubuntu, actions matter. If you really want to make an art contribution, it will be welcomed BUT it will need to be of world class standard and will need to fit in with the work being done across the whole project. I'm not sympathetic to someone upset that their single contribution does not make it in when that contribution is not aligned with the work that is already being done. We can't achieve success if we splinter and try to take a million different artistic lines. That's a tough position, but I think it's a necessary one. Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Great music
I'm quite new to the group, and I've just been looking at planet.ubuntu-uk to see what other kinds of people belong to ubuntu-uk. I just wanted to say I've really enjoyed some of the music that Jono Bacon has created over at recreantview.com/blog If you appreciate music of the metal kind with guttural vocals and thrash guitar go have a listen! Apparently there's other stuff too http://www.recreantview.org/blog/?page_id=83 I've had some music pumping out of my flimsy tft monitor speakers at work and it still sounds good! Nice one Jono. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Free penguin with every purchase... (WAS Re: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 23, Issue 41)
My personal view is that the penguin is the Linux Brand. I don't refer to Linux as GNU/Linux because it's too clumsy in my opinion - Agreed, I know non-techie types who've heard of Linux, but none who've heard of GNU. I think it just complicates matters a little perhaps? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Forums software recommendations
Simple Machines Forum has caught my eye http://www.simplemachines.org/ SMF isn't bad at all. Doesn't feel as bloated as some of the other offerings out there. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org
http://www.getgnulinux.org is designed to change this. It explains what Linux is on a level that even non-tech types could understand and also why and how they would switch. It is a perfect site for someone who knows nothing about Linux at all. I like the site very much - Good Job !! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Code of conduct (was For 'women' read 'newbs')
I think that we've got to be adult about this. I believe that the code of conduct - like most other rules in our society is meant to protect people and values. Where we start to go wrong, is by using any set of rules to their maximum extent to prove a point, appear clever or knowledgeable or to stir up trouble. If we can agree that the code of conduct is meant to protect people, and we can also agree that the original poster - no matter how misguided - never meant to hurt anyone, then I don't really think the code of conduct needs to be invoked. Lets not descend into the madness of political correctness for the sake of proving a point. It's petty, pathetic and and devalues the rule set underpinning it. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
I am happy with this list in its current form. I happen to like gmane via NNTP and if pressed (i.e. not using my own machine)will use the web interface. So I agree with Robin's conclusion albeit for different reasons. I'll take a look at this NNTP /gname interface - sounds interesting. I wonder if it'd be a good idea to have some kind of tutorial outlining it - perhaps as an alternative to users who want forums. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
Hi there folks, I've just subscribed to the list, and thought it'd be a good idea to say hello! My name is Chris, I hail from East Yorkshire, and I've been using Ubuntu for a while now. I use Ubuntu at home, on the computer of anyone who I can convince to switch from Windows, and on a few servers at work. I like to help out with support, and I'm currently learning python so as to help contribute along those lines too. Erm, can't think of much else to say right now, so hello! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
I checked out the ubuntuforums.org earlier today to see whether or not there was a UK LoCo section there. I was a little surprised to read that the mailing list had voted not to have a presence at ubuntuforums.org and I have a little difficulty understanding why. Surely in this day and age, forums are a viable alternative to mailing lists, and even preferable in some situations. I wondered if the decision to opt out of ubuntuforums.org was influenced by a fear of such a presence damaging the usage of the mailing list. Whilst I can see why this might be a slap in the face to people who have invested so much time into building up the mailing list, surely if people would prefer to communicate through the forums, it'd be a good idea to use them and 'grow' the community. I am - I know making the assumption that people prefer forums, but I think in general this assumption seems to be true. Where mailing lists are the mainstay of open source and linux communication I think forums would give the group a higher profile and encourage a far greater interaction with the community. Does anyone else agree or am I alone? Is there any harm in requesting a UK LoCo forum? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Forums
Hey there - thanks for the welcome ;-) I'd tend to agree with you. It'd be great if the mailing list stuff could get shunted to a forum too. I know a couple of LUG's that do that. I suppose it's all pretty dependent on who you want to attract to a discussion. After reading that you'd had this discussion a few times, I thought about why there might be a split in opinion. Perhaps the reason for dismissing the idea of forums, is to make discussion less accessible to the 'average joe' - who isn't interested in pursuing communication through a mailing list. I guess that by making it a little more difficult to get involved in the conversation, a lot of the 'background noise' is cut out keeping the discussion focused and intelligent and you're more likely to make sure what you've typed is reasonably well thought out before you send it, when you know you can't edit it afterwards! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Greetings...
When I open a file, often it comes up behind the browser instead of in front. How do I remedy this, please. Being a thickie, I forget to look behind and assume that it has not been opened, so I do it again. You don't know how freaky that is. My missus has a really irritating habit of doing that. Why isn't this website opening up? she will whinge Honestly, it's nearly as bad as being at work. It's always nice to see new faces. Welcome to the community! Perhaps you'd also like to join us on IRC at irc.ubuntu.com in the #ubuntu-uk channel, we chat in real time and have fun and japes! If you have a blog you may want to syndicate it on our planet (http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org) see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet I'll do that - Thanks, my IRC nick is leftcase, see you in there. If you like supporting, maybe you could email me details and screenshots of some of the projects that I haven't got round to yet, and I'll put them up..At the moment it's all a bit threadbare, but I'll pad it out when time permits. Hope you can help. Let me take a look, I'm sure I can help flesh it out a bit. Thanks for the warm welcome folks! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
