Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme 0.2.9
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
mikkel.kamst...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/23 Ricardo Mariano III greasedb...@gmail.com
Hey y'all.
There have been almost no visual changes in Dust (and there may not be
any more changes) since the 0.2 series came out, but I am announcing
version 0.2.9. Highlights:
* An xfwm4 theme.
* Small update to scrollbars--I'm not sure if it's okay, so please
comment. It's now white and somewhat bordered.
* Lighter selected items text for inactive windows
* Better dark color support. Try using #343330 for window background
color.
* A third point number! Looklooklook! zero point two *point nine*! XD
Dust still requires the murrine-svn engine packaged in intrepid. When/if
a newer engine makes it to Jaunty, we'll update the theme.
Download at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme
I am wondering why you are requiring a non-standard Murrine version? On
Intrepid at least the theme works fine if one replaces all style keywords
inside the 'engine murrine{}' sections with profile.
I'm still on Hardy since Intrepid won't work on my system (there's an
openchrome bug that still isn't fixed), so I don't really know which
version is in there. I tried compiling 0.60.1 and nothing broke. Are
there any other changes?
Anyways, here are my reactions:
* In applications with tabs, fx. GEdit, the active tab is too close to the
toolbar over it. This looks a bit cramped. I don't know if it is possible to
add 1 or 2 pixels of free space on top of GtkNotebooks...
* The window bottom border appears too light to me. I would expect it to be
in the dark shade of the top. The active window could have a white highlight
at the bottom (like it has at the top)
* It appears that you are using three shades of brown. The dark window
borders, the warm chestnut for menu highlights, and a grayish brown for the
scrollbars. I think you should stick to two shades of brown (and shades in
between those). My point is that I don't think the menu highlights go well
with the scrollbar colors. I am inclined to think that the menu highlights
need change.
* I am split in my opinion about the scrollbars. There's something about
them that I really like, but then again it is as if they don't integrate
properly in apps like firefox and Gnome terminal. It just looks a bit out of
place... Here are some suggestions:
- Maybe the slider bar can have a bit more the feel like the window
borders? Darker, harder reflections
- I think that it is maybe the the groove that the scrollbar slider slides
in that looks out of place. It is original, but maybe cut back on the
originality to make it integrate better
* The window resize handles in the bottom right corners of the apps. They
look nifty, but also a bit out of place... Maybe a bit slimmer and with a
very subtle outline/drop shadow... Hmmm I don't know.
Anyways, great work as always! Cheers,
Mikkel
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Thank you for your comments. I'll see what I can do.
-Kido
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Inspiration mockups.
On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 03:01 -0700, Rico Sta. Cruz wrote: Hi everyone. Just want to show everyone a few things I've been working on. Note that these aren't proposed Ubuntu mockups or anything, just more of a let's see if anything inspiring can come out of it thing. Just sharing. I hope one of these can inspire someone out there. #1) Sin I've always thought that something interesting can come out of using textures. Here's a quick test. http://customize.org/download/screenshots/57766/57576/Sin._(WIP).jpg #2) Bamboo What about taking that textures further (to the point of overkill)? Also, what about thick borders? http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7209/bamboosk4.jpg #3) Studio (!) Here's a refinement of Bamboo to fit the Ubuntu Studio brand somehow. (_MMA_ are you listening? :) http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/263/studiomd0.jpg #4) Spirit How about excessive use of gradients? http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/spirit-test-2.jpg http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/spirit-test-3.jpg Cheers, Rico -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Inspiration-mockups.-tp19810609p19810609.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Lol. I was thinking of something similar when this came up. Anyway, WIP theme Kore: http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotyh3.png Kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:53 PM, John Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded the Dust-20080920.tar.gz file from the Wiki and when I attempt to extract the contents I receive an error. :( I was able to get some items from the archive by pulling them out one-by-one. Placing the folder Dust into my .themes folder did permit me to choose the theme. But I do not know what engine I'm using. I assume Metacity? If this is true, what about Murrine? What would be helpful is a testing guide. Test Dust Metacity engine Step 1 ... Do this Step 2 ... Do this Test Dust Murrine engine Step 1 ... Do this Test Borderless function etc. I apologize if I am making this too hard. I am using Intrepid Alpha 6 as my test OS. Cheers, John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hm. I never seem to get the hang of making packages. Sorry about that; I'll try to make a new package soon. If you're using Intrepid already, just drag the package (when I get to it ._.) to the Appearance Preferences window. There then should some themes available (click the Customize... button): Controls: Dust, Dust-aurora Dust uses murrine, which is included in Intrepid. Dust-aurora uses aurora, which isn't. Window borders: Dust, Dust borderless Just pick one and use your desktop as usual. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
Fine by me. Though, 3 GDM themes will be hard to come buy. I don't think I've seen 1 working one all cycle from us. Seems it's been all GTK themes. Just to show, NewWave has an entire theme set, including GDM and lock screen dialog. Check out its wiki page. Kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good
On Sat, 2008-09-13 at 14:00 +0200, SzerencseFia wrote: Kido Mariano wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 17:01 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Kido Mariano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 22:30 +0200, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: 2008/9/12 Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/menu-bar.png That's Thunderbird, right? That doesn't work well with the theme, unufortunately. No, it's Firefox. Oh. (This is when I kind of wish there was a custom Firefox theme.) The toolbars are already light; to work around that problem we'd have to make the menubar light as well, which would make it lose even more of it's ...Dust-ness. I don't think so. You should read carefully my code of eDark (http://szerencsefia.deviantart.com/art/eDark-0-9-1-96976998 ) and you will find how to fix the firefox menubar by gtkrc color setup. It is not just a 'one line code' but you need to harmonize the dark and light text within gtkrc on the way that firefox will look good ofc Thunderbird and OpenOffice will follow that. This way I could solve to keep FF, TB and OO be well harmonized to my dark menubar but generally light entry field stylish theme. Cheers Erno The menubar is okay, the trouble is that all FF/TB/OO.o widgets are toplevel ones, so styles like GtkToolbar.GtkButton don't get applied (i.e. placing your bookmarks bar on the menubar makes the bookmark button still keep its old (light) style). Plus, your theme is actually totally dark (except probably *some* input boxes), which makes the color much easier to manage. Dust has dark menubars and toolbars only. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good
I see. Does Dust work on Hardy the same way as on 8.10? If so I might be able to find some workaround without having to install Ibex but to handle on Hardy? Erno To use on Hardy, you'll have to install murrine from svn; use the snapshot from https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive Thanks. :D Kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 22:30 +0200, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: 2008/9/12 Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I just installed dust from kwwii's community themes package and have to say it is great. I still have a problem with invisible fonts on the menu bar, but even with that minor glitch this is my favorite theme from this development cycle so far. http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/menu-bar.png That's Thunderbird, right? That doesn't work well with the theme, unufortunately. I'll join the choir :-) I've been dog fooding it for a week now and I still love it. Clean, professional, and original. There are a few items (nothing we can't fix though) which I would change... * A subtle border around menus. Menus have a bit much of flat black square-feel to it. Some subtle borders would alleviate this Not sure how we do this. * The highlight on the menu items. Make it extend over the entire menu entry. Right now now there is a small border around the selected item Will do this. * Maybe (_maybe_) a more visible gradient on the selected menu items (this might break the subtle simplicity of the theme though, so it should be checked...) * Window titles needs to be centered to look properly in RTL languages Will do this. * I like the Borderless metacity theme the most, it looks lighter and more elegant in my eyes. It is darn hard to resize the windows with the borderless variant though. Perhaps adding a bottom border for easier resizing? I think someone played with adding a subtle gradient on the bottom border... Maybe it was New Wave, Anton? The bottom border is already large in the borderless theme; however, you still get diagonal resizing only at 1x3(?) corner pixels, which is still quite a pain in windows without handles. * The scrollbars colors... They somehow confuse my 33% of the times I use them. My mind tells me that the slider is in the most light part of the scroll bar. This is especially in windows where the slider length is bigger than the free space in the scroll bar A lot of people have complained about this. Maybe we can add drag handles instead? * The scrollbar look... I feel that the scrollbars without the endcaps and flat slider does not live up to the professionalism I feel the rest of the theme. It is hard to put precise words on this. Sorry... -- Cheers, Mikkel The theme at the wiki will always be newer than the one at the repo; please get the theme from there when I update it. Kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 17:01 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Kido Mariano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 22:30 +0200, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: 2008/9/12 Matthew Nuzum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/menu-bar.png That's Thunderbird, right? That doesn't work well with the theme, unufortunately. No, it's Firefox. Oh. (This is when I kind of wish there was a custom Firefox theme.) The toolbars are already light; to work around that problem we'd have to make the menubar light as well, which would make it lose even more of it's ...Dust-ness. Also, eclipse seems to have a problem, see: http://code.bearfruit.org/~matt/tmp/eclipse-dust.png ._. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] dust is good
* I like the Borderless metacity theme the most, it looks lighter and more elegant in my eyes. It is darn hard to resize the windows with the borderless variant though. Perhaps adding a bottom border for easier resizing? I think someone played with adding a subtle gradient on the bottom border... Maybe it was New Wave, Anton? The bottom border is already large in the borderless theme; however, you still get diagonal resizing only at 1x3(?) corner pixels, which is still quite a pain in windows without handles. I tried adding a more visible bottom border - 5 px with some highlights. I think this works ok... Updated metacity theme attached. I added two new draw_ops, draw_bottom_frame_inactive and draw_bottom_frame_normal and applied them to the window bottom of frame_style_normal_focused and frame_style_normal_unfocused. That is all. Screen shot: http://grillbar.org/tmp/dust-metacity-tweak-1.png The extra highlight on the focused window also makes it easier to distinguish... At least to my olde eyes :-) We've dropped the dark statusbars (it causes too many apps to look weird), so I just made it look more borderless, something like: http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/5070/screenshotfj3.png Bottom border has height of 4. I'll check what you've done anyway. * The scrollbars colors... They somehow confuse my 33% of the times I use them. My mind tells me that the slider is in the most light part of the scroll bar. This is especially in windows where the slider length is bigger than the free space in the scroll bar A lot of people have complained about this. Maybe we can add drag handles instead? Yeah, try a few things out. Drag handles might be enough visual clue... And more issues while we are at it :-) * Progress bars are glossy and candy striped. This seems out of sync with the rest of the theme. * Ditto for list view headers But I want my progress bars shiny! :( On a more serious note, we'll see if we change it. The glossy stuff were carry-overs from the Aurora version of the theme. The theme at the wiki has been updated; try it. :D -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 21:50 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: You should rewrite that theme with the latest murrine svn release, not that old 29 May of kwwii's repository. Much of the contrast function was rewritten, making your themes incompatible (if you use the contrast functionality) Theme works for me with the latest svn checkout (Sept 7). We are using contrast functionality in the theme, though. What exactly is the new syntax for it, anyway? Kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Dust Studio?
What if Dust had a theme for Ubuntu Studio? Something like... http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7861/duststudioev3.png -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 12:55 +0200, Yann Dìnendal wrote: I've updated the theme (again). This time, the metacity's (mostly) complete, and I've added a few tweaks to keep text from being white on white or black on black. Download it at: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (Aurora engine required) Screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/dust-0.png It looks nice! But why is the background behind the Normal, DéjaVu Sans and 10 darker than the other menus? Is it intended? Yann Dìnendal No, it isn't. I'm not entirely sure how to fix that, though. The trouble here is that I'm using a pixmap for the toolbar, and ...something's not doing what it's supposed to do. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 14:42 +0200, Andrea Cimitan wrote: 2008/8/24 Kido Mariano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 12:55 +0200, Yann Dìnendal wrote: I've updated the theme (again). This time, the metacity's (mostly) complete, and I've added a few tweaks to keep text from being white on white or black on black. Download it at: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (Aurora engine required) Screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/dust-0.png It looks nice! But why is the background behind the Normal, DéjaVu Sans and 10 darker than the other menus? Is it intended? Yann Dìnendal No, it isn't. I'm not entirely sure how to fix that, though. The trouble here is that I'm using a pixmap for the toolbar, and ...something's not doing what it's supposed to do. Why are you using a pixmap? It's the only way I can think of to make the toolbar look like that. ._. How else would I put a gradient like that on the toolbar? (I'm guessing this is possible with Murrine, but not sure.) Oh, and I've changed the button contrast and listview headers on the Dust murrine theme. :D -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
Why are you using a pixmap? It's the only way I can think of to make the toolbar look like that. ._. How else would I put a gradient like that on the toolbar? (I'm guessing this is possible with Murrine, but not sure.) Oh, and I've changed the button contrast and listview headers on the Dust murrine theme. :D Yes, with murrine you can change the gradient of the toolbar -- Andrea Cimitan - http://www.cimitan.com It just doesn't look the same. See this: http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1936/dust1dg7.png Anyway, tried it (but haven't uploaded the theme), and it seems to be an AbiWord problem, not the theme's. ___ Also, I've been thinking of a similar Studio theme: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7861/duststudioev3.png -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as base. Try it out: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (requires Aurora engine installed) It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to help? I've updated the theme, taking most of your comments into consideration. The download link is still the same. Here's a screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Screenshot.png On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 16:09 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: It looks good, I think, even without the gradients so far. I like the dark brown highlight that you've thrown in for the window list, although I think the text is pretty difficult to read above it right now. I like the way that window buttons correspond very evenly to the rounded titlebar corners. Hopefully gradients won't be too much of a problem. The title bar looks fine without, but the toolbars and status bars are both really begging for it. (Particularly the status bars). I've added the toolbar gradient, but I can't do the same for the status bars (I have no idea how). I found it fairly difficult to tell the difference between foreground and background windows when just the title bars were visible. Fading out the close button more (to the same extent as the text, more of course if it already is), and adding that little glint of light off the top (as in the mockup) may remedy that. I won't do this (yet) since I'm planning to redo the buttons to match the mockup. I'm not sure about the black menus, since these are foreground content, and as a rule of thumb the Dust mockup has the foreground content as dark on light. I am sure the kind fellow who did the mockup has a thought to contribute there. The dark context menus make dark menubars work in OO.org and Firefox. :\ Nice work so far, Kido! Good luck with the rest; I love this theme :) Thanks :) Bye, -Dylan PS: Dust has almost replaced the PlanoLM + Clearlooks combo as the theme on my laptop. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 17:30 +0300, Peter Petrov wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Kido Mariano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as base. Try it out: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (requires Aurora engine installed) It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to help? I've updated the theme, taking most of your comments into consideration. The download link is still the same. Here's a screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Screenshot.png This looks great, but is the dependence on the Aurora engine really necessary? It's not in Ubuntu's repositories, and is unlikely to be added, which will prevent your theme from being included (if not default). Can it be reimplemented with Murrine SVN and/or Clearlooks instead? I'm well aware of this. Aurora isn't my engine of choice, either (though it does look pretty :D), but I'd like to make it look really close to the mockup before we start deviating. If I get some time again I'll try to do this in Clearlooks/Murrine. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
I've updated the theme (again). This time, the metacity's (mostly) complete, and I've added a few tweaks to keep text from being white on white or black on black. Download it at: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (Aurora engine required) Screenshot: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/dust-0.png If it's good enough, do we add this to the wiki page? :) Also, I tried using murrine SVN to make the same theme, and came up with this: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-1.tar.gz On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 07:52 -0700, Dylan McCall wrote: Here is a relevant discussion on Launchpad regarding packaging Aurora. It appears we have a package, but need to give the magical review process a nudge ;) Bye, -Dylan Where would this discussion be? :) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as base. Try it out: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (requires Aurora engine installed) It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to help? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Droid Fonts
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 01:17 +0300, Jimmy Angelakos wrote: Salane Ashcraft wrote: On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Jimmy Angelakos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please allow me to speak frankly: I don't really see what all the fuss is about with that Droid font. Would you make a section in the Intrepid Ibex Fonts- Art Team wiki page then? Please provide a picture of what you are suggesting and some reasoning. Constructive criticism is important. Done :D https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Intrepid_Ibex_Font_-_Art_Team Jimmy Your Droid screenshot is off. Try typing sudo fc-cache -v to update your font cache, then try again (and logoff and log on again or something). It seems the desktop is using DejaVu Sans as fallback font. I'll try to post another screenshot at the wiki to show how Droid Sans looks on my computer. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Droid Fonts
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:25 +0300, Jimmy Angelakos wrote: Fixed. Thank you for the tip. Needless to say new users should not have to do this for Droid to look ok on their screens. No problem. :) I think it's GNOME not being able to auto-update the font cache, not a problem with the Droid font. Anyway the wiki has been updated. Jimmy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Droid Fonts
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 23:21 -0400, Cory K. wrote: Here's a detailed post about the Droid font. http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-droid-isnt-answer.html About this one... I'd agree with the first point. :] However, your UI font won't appear as large paragraphs all the time. As phrases, the font looks nice. IMO it's better than what we have now. The rest of the points aren't quite related to Droid Sans being the UI font. Droid Serif shouldn't be our main *print* serif font since it's meant for screen use, too. It's quite easier to read, though, if that matters. (I think Liberation Serif would be nice for this...) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
Hey. I've been looking around for some other fonts to try: *DejaVu Sans condensed, with slight or no hinting. IMO, just making the default font condensed makes it look better. *Droid Sans, http://damieng.com/blog/2007/11/14/droid-font-family-courtesy-of-google-ascender --I really like this one, but I'm not sure about licensing. *Aurulent Sans, http://www.geocities.com/hartke01/ --I'm not sure if this can handle international characters. :D -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 17:49 +0200, François Degrave wrote: Giuseppe Pennisi a écrit : I upgraded Metacity to fix the active\inactive window. With compiz not enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityzoomjm5.png http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacityfullscrexk5.png With compiz enabled Metacity theme is displayed in this way: http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizzoyi5.png http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newwavemetacitycompizfumr1.png The transparency of the titlebar for metacity is due because of the compiz setup. IMHO it's not bad. However, fundamentally, if compiz is enabled the people can to use Emarald, right? Fundamentally Metacity is for those who can not use Emerald. (Otherwise we can change the compiz setup) That's nice, but I just find it quite disappointing that we lose this all-in-one effect for the menu bar and task bar on inactive windows. We really should ask -- or write -- a patch for Metacity to have different menu bars on inactive and active windows, to keep this solid feeling. But except that, I'm everyday a little more confident in this theme, it looks really nice and clean. François PS: I'll finish the monochromic icons for the taskbar tomorrow (no time for yesterday neither today). Hey, just chiming in to tell y'all that it is possible to have the transparency fade to opaque. Run gconf-editor, then edit the gconf entry /apps/gwd/metacity_theme_shade_opacity: check the checkbox, or set it to true with the command line tool (not sure how to do this). kido -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
Il giorno mer, 05/03/2008 alle 23.12 -0800, Troy James Sobotka ha scritto: Andrea Cimitan wrote: So we will implement (he is the right guy to do this) this feature the day we get a sane way to do it, without the hackish way in eXperience. I see it pop up time and time again that Linux or Free Software isn't doing YYY or XXX because it is 'hackish'. We end up wallowing in Windows95 tech on more than a few fronts because of it. Animated icons, animated progress bars, etc. - all progressive ideas that have been quashed by the status quo because we don't have an 'official' way to do it. Ubuntu and many other Free Software branches seek to hit mainstream and hit it hard. This means that we _must_ let go of some of the perfectionism and get the things that matter into the eyes of the people who care. Free Software should be a bastion of innovation, not a reclusive attic of stale mothballs. Patch the code. Kludge it out when we have no other option. Let the progression happen. TJS OMG. LOL at reaction. :D (First post here. I'd like to say hi! :D) I don't know if I'm in any position to say this, but if you do things in a hackish way, you do advance, but at the expense of having more and more unmaintainable code. Sure, we'll go forward, but it will take more and more work to move any further. Put more hacks, and the code starts to become too much of a mess to even touch. (I don't have a good example here, though.) In short, it isn't really perfectionism (well, a bit...), but it's more a matter of maintainability. ^kd -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Hacking / Kludging - WAS Re: gtk theme
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:06:46 -0800 From: Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ubuntu-art] Hacking / Kludging - WAS Re: gtk theme It certainly isn't optimal, and I am well aware of the shortcomings. The point isn't to kludge / hack _everything_, but do it where it is required to achieve an innovation. Animated progressbars might be an example here. Animated progressbars are already an option in clearlooks and murrine, afaik. Our track record for doing things _before_ other competing operating systems do something is not exactly stellar. Putting in a kludge / hack accomplishes two things: 1) It clearly demonstrates the shortcoming in the current code set. 2) Puts a little more pressure on the architecture to evolve _properly_. Heck. If it weren't for the kludges and hacks here and there, with the respective sarcastic comments in the code, where would FOSS be at all? Instead of putting in the hack, you could file a bug. Yeah, the devs are reluctant to add new stuff (especially in the Gnome side of things :P), but a good case can make its way into good implementation. Sincerely, TJS OT: How do I get my ubuntu-art mail in single-message form rather than in digest form? ^_^' I'm actually starting to see your point. :) ^kd -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
