Re: [ubuntu-art] Meerkat volume control design
Hi mr. Ersin, you have your right - in many points of design decisions side - some things seems to lack a serious rationale behind (but I can understand that as a lack of developer power and maybe some short delivery terms for this ambitious project [Ayatana]) - but all in all is this is a work in progress and Indicator Applet with all applets is under constant refinement. About developers and development process - I feel that developers expect the exact feedback that you do here and they agree with this kind of criticism because those corrections and good ideas come from user land. In a way, I can see the way of work of Ayatana team is like an user driven development process - because any good idea can see the light. That's been said - please consider the words in plus when you say something like : ... it looks like there wasn't any active design decision made about the element at all - we are many peoples here which we start to think that way (also some bloggers think the same), but finally we understand that is not enough time and not enough time and human / machine power for a normal QA process - the QA process is made on the fly, you just do it ;). So, for future no need for such words. It can hurt for gratis and is not so constructive. Just a good / motivated and founded criticism is enough. 2010/10/11 Ersin Akinci ersin.aki...@gmail.com: Hello all, I'm not sure where to send this, so my apologies if I've contacted the wrong list. I was looking at 10.10's new volume control menu, pictured here: http://files.digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Selection_013.png I want to commend the Ubuntu team for their ongoing efforts to improve the toolbar, and I really enjoy the new functionality in the volume menu. However, I've also wondered about some of the design decisions, specifically what the rationale was behind them. I drew up a list of 23 issues that I thought the design team might be able to address: 1. What is that arrow bullet on the left next to the Rhythmbox info? Is it a control? If so, why is it flush with the edge of the menu (Fitt's law)? Why would we even need a control there to hide it? 2. Why is there a musical notation icon next to the Rhythmbox title? Isn't it already clear that it controls music? 3. Why is Rhythmbox even mentioned by name at all? How is that important? If you're going to be locking in the applet with a particular music player anyhow, what's the point of repeating its name? 4. This tiny applet is designed around no fewer than six columns, five of them left-justified and one center-justified. Very jarring. 5. The left edge of the menu is not aligned with with the left edge of the speaker button on the toolbar. 6. The speaker button is clearly meant to merge seamlessly into the volume control menu, as if it turned into a tab on a folder, yet the top edge of the menu continues and separates it from the toolbar button. 7. Why is there a drop shadow from the top edge onto the toolbar? So the menu is higher than the toolbar which is already floating off the desktop? Why are we introducing three z levels, does it serve a purpose? 8. The spacing between the volume widget in the menu and its flanking speaker icons is imbalanced. 9. The left edge of the left speaker icon is not aligned with the left edge of the Mute text. 10. The contrast between the right corner of the horizontal bar in the volume widget and the menu is very faint and makes it unclear where the bar actually ends. 11. The musical notation icon isn't done properly. First, the stems should be aligned with the right of the dots. Second, the bar's shading is jagged and pixelated, which is OK but contrasts strangely with the dots' fuzzy shading around the edges. The proportions between the bars, stems, and dots aren't right, either, and the dots should be much rounder. 12. The gradient of the Rhythmbox controls has nothing to do with any of the other system gradients and the light source is coming straight from overhead. 13. What vertical justification were they thinking of when they aligned the album text? Is it justified relative to the album cover picture? Is it justified at all? 14. The album art and the Rhythmbox controls are both bounded by two separate boxes that are a different shade of grey from the rest of the menu. 15. Why is the Sound Preferences... text not aligned centrally between the spacer above it and the bottom edge of the menu? 16. The spacing between the Mute text and the top of the menu as well as the elements below it has nothing to do with the spacing between the other subtitles and the elements above and below it. 17. For that matter, why does the text read Mute? Is the sole purpose of that widget to mute the volume? Why is there text at all? Isn't the purpose obvious? 18. Why is there a Sound Preferences... option? Isn't this accessible from the options menu? How many times while changing the
Re: [ubuntu-art] Meerkat volume control design
...some players as Banshee need a plug-in to be listed also I have many players installed - but the applet see only Rhythmbox (which is not my player of choice btw.) I have Listen, Exaile, Guyadeque now - all working on the same time - and none of them is listed. Maverick is up to date. 2010/10/11 Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:05 -0500, Ersin Akinci wrote: I'm not sure where to send this, so my apologies if I've contacted the wrong list. I was looking at 10.10's new volume control menu, pictured here: http://files.digitizor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Selection_013.png Hi Ersin! You raise many good points, thanks for writing them up. But this should go to the Ayatana list. https://launchpad.net/~ayatana While no further discussion should happen here, I can answer this one: 3. Why is Rhythmbox even mentioned by name at all? How is that important? If you're going to be locking in the applet with a particular music player anyhow, what's the point of repeating its name? Every running player application will appear in the menu. You just see the case where it's Rhythmbox alone. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Metacity Button Order Changed
Yes. What was to happen was happened :( Very much amateurism on this change (right corner to left corner for close / minimize / maximize buttons). Yes amateurism - you hear well my friends. A good Human Machine Interaction engineer will not do such a move. There are laws and principles. Some Unix friends told me that they have a word do not destroy well established things. I bet they know what they say they are Oracle engineers with almost 30 years of Unix / Linux behind. 2 main reasons which prove the amateurism : - this move will broke what was good and acknowledged by 90 % or more PC users as `de facto ` (and I don't hear complains about that). - the left side position of those buttons will agglomerate (unnecessary) the space where a normal user search for menu bar and for 1'st level functions. Those buttons has a secondary scope and are rarely used, the right corner was a good place for this group according usability standards (the fact that MAC use those buttons on the left means nothing they are maybe 5%, rest of the world just close their windows from the right corner). Indeed, everyone know that Gnome need some facial changes but hey - why they start to kill the piano ? ..just because ? Well it's clear that the team behind that move does not contain professionals. If this was just a proposal - there's no excuse for that. A single word amateurism. Shuttleworth deserver better peoples because his movement is a crucial movement of the modern history. I think he believe in peoples too much and that's that's the point where some peoples can see a profit. Too bad. 2010/3/5 Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com: On Friday 05 March 2010 01:43:43 am John Baer wrote: I noticed in today's upgrade (03/04) the order of the metacity's minimize and maximized buttons changed. In the old metacity the order was; minimize, maximize, close In the new metacity the order is: maximize, minimize, close Is this the desired effect or is this a bug? This is the desired effect. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note
Jerry Casiano wrote: I think you're kidding yourself if you think people who are happy with XP will choose Ubuntu or any other OS over Windows 7. Sounds like you haven't checked 7 out. I'm not kidding at all - I win my money providing design decisions - I know how users react - I know what I said, I don't guess. I help companies on their decisions regarding one design or another. Also I don't speak about isolate cases, I speak about targets - for example probably more than 90% from Ubuntu users (which was not Linux users before) are XP users. I was a happy XP user (or superuser). I was an upset Vista user and finally a pretty happy win7 user too. I still don't see the relation - Win7 is a better windows - ok with that but I implement Ubuntu everywhere around me because I ...and the companies for I changed MS OS to Ubuntu or Ubuntu Server, we see a long term value on the Linux side. It's too complicated to explain you here why the companies think in other way than you or a simply home user. They think big and they take long range decisions when they do such kind of changes. Also - I promoted linux where this make sense, but for my clients from companies, I see that sense in almost every setup and they see that too. The list with specific MS OS things is shorter day by day - you can't find almost all drivers now on linux - but this is an other discussion ...we can talk separately if you like not here. At least as a final advice : please read again and understand in context. I talked about peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7, I don't say all peoples will cross from XP to Ubuntu NOT to win7. Take care about nuances. 2009/10/5 Jerry Casiano jerrycasi...@gmail.com: On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:43 PM, SorinN nemes.so...@gmail.com wrote: ... To gain a new level of perception which is needed for the large mass (yep - peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7), a whole new look - by default - it's a must. ... I think you're kidding yourself if you think people who are happy with XP will choose Ubuntu or any other OS over Windows 7. Sounds like you haven't checked 7 out. I love Linux and promote it whenever it makes sense to, but the truth is there is only one small issue related to the way the new sound system in Windows 7 works that will stop me from picking up a copy, until there is a solution or workaround. And that is an issue that most users won't care about. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note
Dave, a short question - you are working on some gnome team ? I think I will offer my free time to the gnome community... if you are related to some gnome projects - please give me a signal at nemes.so...@gmail.com 2009/10/4 David Zondlo dzon...@gmail.com: Definitely give 9.10 kubuntu a try. The new kde is a huge step up. I'm sure within a few releases it will be really great. @ SorinN, I think if you really wanted to change the GUI as a whole you should look into joining the gnome community. I'm sure you have some great ideas that they might be able to use. ~Dave -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Default design note
The strange point is that 90% users will not customize anything. The global perception of Ubuntu user experience, will still walk around the first look. To gain a new level of perception which is needed for the large mass (yep - peoples which will cross from XP to Ubuntu not to win7), a whole new look - by default - it's a must. And the truth is ...this is very possible, just count Ubuntu Art work, but a strong voice on the Ubuntu dev. side is still missing. They need a real UI architect which can assume those decisions. ..probably they got the right people but maybe he don't have the final word, because I can't believe so much time is passed and still nothing new on this area (except Ubuntu Art team work - which is substantial but not official). 2009/10/4 David Zondlo dzon...@gmail.com: While kde 4.3 does look great and performs so much better than previous versions, it still lacks enough stability (for me at least) to use on a desktop computer. Even though ubuntu's default desktop isn't quite as pretty as leopard's or vista's (or 7's), in my opinion the ability to customize far surpasses its rivals. Plus 9.10's new wallpapers truly are breathtaking. Here is my slightly customized desktop: http://i35.tinypic.com/5oywro.jpg -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave User Requests
Well - mode color versions - the Blue version like Blue Wave, possibility to switch to normal ( old ) combo-box style for opening / listing options for all applications ( because is better - Gnome does not do a better thing with the new combo-boxes opening style from an Usability point of view, also the new style has not a good implementation ), possibility to choose where the arrows for scrollbars will stay ( 1 up, 1 down ; both down; etc ) Globally is one of the best Gnome modern themes - simply and elegant - not bloated, and with unity of style. Normally I switch between Redmond and New Wave, Blue Wave, and New Flow Wave which implement a colored state for the active tab which is a very good / usable addition to New Wave. 2009/7/18 Antonio ank...@gmail.com В 13:40 -0700 на 17.07.2009 (пт), Chris Tooley написа: I would like to see what you can do with a white version. Or a really lightly coloured one, maybe a sandy/cream coloured one (light green)? I love New Wave btw. It's my current theme on Ubuntu at my home desktop. Thanks for your hard work in New Wave! -Chris Me thank you :) Making another theme with different color is possible but very time consuming. I have thought about this a lot but as massive changes in Gnome 3.0 are coming I think it is better to wait and see what happens. In the meantime there are some derivatives of the theme that are lighter and with different colors. Check some here: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Light+Wave?content=108127 http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/NewWave-GreyMOD?content=100683 http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/NewWave+violet+mod?content=101415 Anton P.S. The last one may work for females better (remember we talked about more feminine theme). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Wave User Requests
BTW I wanna say the old model was good - modern Gnome use hmm..its own model - which is not seen in any other OS or applications framework - on some stages Gnome / Gtk in fight with with science of Usability - so their UI architects can't comment in front of their developers ;) - and situation must change anyway I hope new themes will adapt the normal old style to render drop down lists - because seems to be possible to to that from theme engine. Anyway good luck ! 2009/7/18 Antonio ank...@gmail.com В 11:41 +0300 на 18.07.2009 (сб), SorinN написа: well - I mean anout behaviour not about the look - the look is OK - but think about a combo-box / or select tag in HTML on Windows and Mac OS also on KDE the drop down list come UNDER the combobox element not OVER the combo-box as is in modern Gnome apps. I understand now and will have a look over this issue. I may try to move the menu of the new combobox below the button or improve the looks of the old one. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Are we ditching Orange/Brown for Karmic?
nowhere is written - brown is to be killed ;)
It will not serve to anyone to let away a point that give a particular
touch to Ubuntu { but also brown Co was too heavy used on everything
- a bit over the limits in my oppinion }
Mark think is better to ad some life and joy in the Desktop area.
Brown it could be combined with very well blue or green OR blue and green
this way the mother earth will got some sky grass.
globally - impression will be stronger using 3 colors for example
instead of just 1( with some nuances ).
Dixit ;)
2009/4/25 Boudhayan Gupta bg13@gmail.com:
Hello All!
Quoting the Karmic incoming page - Brown has served us well but
other options will be considered for Karmic Koala., are we really
ditching Brown?
If so, what are we doing as a replacement?
I was browsing the LongTerm incoming page, and it IMHO Dust is very
good. Of course, if it doesn't go with the overall philosophy of
Ubuntu, then we cannot have that. I am a new addition, so I may be
missing something. What are we doing, what is our color palette, and
when do we get started?
Yours,
Boudhayan Gupta
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Art opinions
..to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know why you like to tease peoples ? I see that before. If he ..top-post, tell him normally something like : - hey man please don't top post, we try to keep clean here. It's enough. Don't forget Ubuntu is all in all about humanity ..to us and to others. Than mean sometimes to retain first impulse and to use our good resources, 2008/11/27 Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mr wrote: 2008/11/27 Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mr wrote: They are nice but some look like a Mac, I don't want icons to look like Mac's because I chose Ubuntu not Mac.. Drawing in a realistic style will always get that comparison. You don't have to use them. :) If you're not working on the set or have nothing technical to say I'd like everyone to just keep it to themselves. ;) I only post to the list to keep the few people around here that actually work on things informed. I could move it to a different list to avoid the peanut gallery. ;) no need for insults It wasn't personal. Please don't top-post. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Rico I like your energy ...but about - Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things I wish to ask you if U are sure ..or U just think ? Because I am sure AND - Color schemes are NOT one of the most subjective things. There are rules - researches - studies - case studies - GUI studies, CROMOTHERAPY is a part of the recovery medicine, etc. Apple use those known rules - we won't ( is so simple... ). Finally - you will think what you like. I think about what I learn and use on a daily basis. Second Point : those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. - again a bit of subjectivity - US, WE, .. the fans of Ubuntu, ultrafans... we know how to change colors - no problem. But think about Ubuntu scope that is to replace $MS on a large scale - Ubuntu is not just for 3 fans like us. Designers / Photographers / Hobbysts... Normal peoples from the institutions / entreprises ..and most home userbase where XP / Vista will be replaced, are non geeks or linux pro - they will not change any color... ever... This is also studied / practically observed ( they do their work - then go home - after 100 years they will use the same win 98 UI on Vista for example, because they start with Win95 or 98 - so they call peoples like me to do this simple switch from Aero to basic because they don't know how to ). Finally - Some will always prefer one over the other. - Man - of course water is liquid - but that's not the point here - Will be usable for the rest of the world OR just for few fans and peoples with free time ?? ( that's the game between brown - red - orange schemes and gray - lightgray - lightblue schemes ) . My respect, and 5 cents. SorinN 2008/9/22 Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a word of advice: It's a bit of a moot point to decide on which to go with: a warm (beige/orange) or neutral grey color scheme. Some will always prefer one over the other. IMHO, you don't have to adjust the colors of your theme just because everyone clamored to have it as orange/yellow/grey/blue. Color schemes are probably one of the most subjective things. Just stick to your vision and make the nicest execution for what you have in mind. Anyway, the colors are adjustable for a reason: those who prefer a grey scheme can always adjust the colors themselves. Cheers! Rico Giuseppe Pennisi wrote: I maded a clear version of Naxos Theme. Gray and orange. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear.png For try the theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NaxosIntrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=NaxosClear-0.5.tar.gz Opinions? gp ps: I want improve panel bar -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Moving-to-another-city-tp19588387p19610234.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Naxos Theme Clear Version
Nope man - This is a nonsense - Please keep the essence if my language are bad ( I'm sure you got the point ) - because the essence really count - we must keep serious things inside. On real world it's a shame to do what you do. Arguments must speak, arguments logic - or, is some English competition here ? and I don't know ?. Hmm, so, ..you will trow me out because of my English ha ? ;) Man. please grow up an be constructive. I share my experience here, talking about colors ...I'm not just ..think about colors. I know from the IRC channel that I'm not alone here.Pretty bad, so much people can't see the sense ? I tell you something - right now, we have here some newcomers, some chinese peoples - they speak very bad Romanian language but we can help them even we do efforts to understand their romanian because help matter not language. So if you try to read, you can got the point. I was thinking I am member of a mailing list with mature peoples inside. If you are mature please see the big picture. If not, please ignore my messages. Or in case if you still read my messages, if you don't like my point, and you don't have arguments, then shoot on my English. Best wishes a dollar for you. SorinN 2008/10/4 Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 2008-10-04 at 15:11 +0300, SorinN wrote: *in a terribly hard to read broken/telegram style* I like to think that I'm pretty tolerant regarding spelling and grammar issues and other problems one might have with a foreign language. I want to understand. But too much is too much. This is very close to unreadable gibberish and I have to ask you Sorin, to either put more effort into it, to build whole sentences, or to remain silent, as messages that can't be read help nobody. I know from the IRC channel that I'm not alone here. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help Testing Dust Theme
OK, first problem is not a bug - entire theme is pretty OK as design but the main problem is ..it is black. This is the ultimate way to become usable by the normal peoples - and that's the point. Ubuntu need to be a distro for all not for a superior elite as many MAC users pretend to be ( an they had their own right to say that - they had a simple, usable UI, nothing more, nothing less ). And here ( as a designer ) I'm thinking about peoples on offices, enterprises, institutions. Dust is nice but please try a ligher gray / blue version like other nice themes do - AIR ( for Gnome ), Chrome-Like, Cromibuntu, Murinne Frozen, Mithbuntu. Not all peoples know to change colors - and many of them will not do that ..ever. my 3,14 cents 2008/9/22 Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dust has now been migrated to Launchpad. I've set up bug trackers for the GTK and Firefox themes. Please use them for any bug reports: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme https://bugs.launchpad.net/dusttheme-firefox You can also check out the code over at https://launchpad.net/dustthemeand https://launchpad.net/dusttheme-firefox. (Btw, Dust Firefox is also out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme) John Baer wrote: I downloaded the Dust-20080920.tar.gz file from the Wiki and when I attempt to extract the contents I receive an error. :( I was able to get some items from the archive by pulling them out one-by-one. Placing the folder Dust into my .themes folder did permit me to choose the theme. But I do not know what engine I'm using. I assume Metacity? If this is true, what about Murrine? What would be helpful is a testing guide. Test Dust Metacity engine Step 1 ... Do this Step 2 ... Do this Test Dust Murrine engine Step 1 ... Do this Test Borderless function etc. I apologize if I am making this too hard. I am using Intrepid Alpha 6 as my test OS. Cheers, John -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Need-Help-Testing-Dust-Theme-tp19586220p19607600.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme
1. What I can see ? - finally an other scrollbar design - (as I proposed in the past). For the rest we have Aurora M1, Aurora Borealis, Orion Aurora, Dark Aurora ...etc. Nothing 'kinky' on this theme (that's good). Pretty bad is dark - but at least is simple, clean, clear.2. You should put triangle arrows on scrollbar - actual V lines are not so visible. 3. Pretty but - just pretty look - no too much original (read Ubuntu distinctive elements). 4. Ken, you must be jokin' 2008/8/18 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking. On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme Has anyone opened this for discussion? I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd take that much work to get a working mockup from it at least. Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think this would be absolutely perfect. [: -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my part) when I saw this. This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just have no words. This mockup has caused me to scrap my current design for Kin Piano, and I'm going to use this as a template for anything I do further, but this remarkable theme, in my humble opinion, is it. I dont know if I can do better, because this is always what I've been trying to aim for, in sheer cleansliness and polish. Excellent, Excellent work. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Finally something OK
Please take a look here - at the theme that is used for Freezy Linux ( Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron and GNOME )http://www.freezylinux.com/node/11 -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human 2
Kim, all OK but Orange BG + Black Text on Selectable / Focused elements is not a good contrast for visual focus - please try Orange BG + White text for a better visual mark and usability.Also Scrollbar is a bit too slim - orange top and bottom visual marks - not needed for scroll bar - is an over-mark of the scrollbar which is already visible thanks to scroll track BG gradient. Else the overall look is OK. Anyway AIR is great.As a whole.A designer tell you that. Else I hope to find some more free time to contribute and collaborate in a pro like Ubuntu team of designers (I was boring a bit of this kind of 'democracy' of this list, and I loose my interest for a while to design for Ubuntu Art [ ...in life, best things we do we do based on motivation - no motivation, no quality, no joy ]). 2008/8/18 Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Art Team contributors, I redesigned the buttons, they have a silky-smooth appearance now. I will post the theme this week after I cleaned it up. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Human 2 .deb
man shadowh511 - peoples just ask here for * or for ..other *.. ;) being a discussion list they had all rights to do that and it's normal to be that way. for example Kim told us about the progress of his theme. Which are interested in emerald aspect of life, will test new the new deb and will put here their opinions regarding the * emerald problem. Peoples that are are not interested in emerald themes ...will go on without disturb the others ... so what's the problem ?? I don't understand what's your reason to respond / speak that way 2008/7/27 Nicholas Ipsen(Sephiroth_VII) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, you don't have to use it, but emerald certainly is somewhat more powerful than GDM . On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:05 PM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this might sound like a stupid question, but why have we switched to emerald? -- Ubuntu FTW! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
those buttons are good additions - they are explicit about their functions. slim.smooth.good 2008/7/28 Nicholas Kraak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: New batch, I tried to get everyones ideas in here. The only thing I did differently from the suggestions was the buttons, the gray background to them just made it all feel more solid. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_clouds_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_trnthtfrnupsddwn_r2.png Sorry Ken, it looks brilliant but I'm not too fond of those buttons. Perhaps something similar to New Wave (but obviously with a brown button background and maybe even a dark brown button outline). In my personal opinion, the buttons should be easily visible, but not so visible they constantly draw the users eye to them. But obviously that's just my two cents. Other then that keep up the fine work, Nicholas PS: If you want me to draw a mock-up of what I mean, just ask. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
Agree with Also, I'm thinking of getting a team together... but not only for this theme. For all themes. We should organize more than 1 team. Sincerely I'm on the side of Usability working day by day with these values - doing interfaces ;) ( yep GUI ) - so I don't agree for now on too much shine for a base theme ( even that I use dark themes ) - because a lot of users are on offices / enterprises / schools - they are an important segment, so I need to think in a marketing way. That's why I'm in favor of more teams of designers but at least one team of developers / engine hackers for design integration and a Ubuntu own engine. As it should be from start - Ubuntu must come with more Ubuntu-ish themes - for office users ( minimalistic, clean, non obtruzive ), for photographs ( dark themes ), for artists ( neutral, colored grays, also 'dark' can go here ), for multimedia fans ( extra fancy, bells, reflections, etc ). All themes about I talk here ..sure, must contain some common distinctive, unique elements ( as scrollbars, navigation signs ..etc ) and maybe we should start from here ...to find, to define those elements, to make a basic rootkit as a base for constructing Ubuntu themes. We need to find a semiotic ID ( symbols, signs ) - specific to Ubuntu - and all Ubuntu themes will use that base of symbols. So ..my idea = teams ( some peoples like to do dark themes, some peoples want to do flat / minimal themes ). After teams are formed we can choose a relative road map and we can have more control about who do what and about X or Y theme status. Finally, Ibex should present at least 3 Ubuntu specific themes, along other legacy themes - then different categories of users will choose their theme. After a year, we can see which theme is used more and we can do our work on the user direction. 2008/7/28 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 28.07.2008 02:31:11 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: Aside from firefox (because you can create themes for it) Openoffice could simply not have a dark toolbar, simply looking like any window that doesn't have one of its own. There is no way to do that other than launching openoffice with env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/ALTERNATETHEME/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ooffice But I don't think that this would be an option. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art New batch, I tried to get everyones ideas in here. The only thing I did differently from the suggestions was the buttons, the gray background to them just made it all feel more solid. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_clouds_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_trnthtfrnupsddwn_r2.png aaand... The development SVG. One thing about the SVG is that it's -very- rough. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin_Intrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=kin_piano_rev2.svg As a thought, please tell me if you like the idea; but what if we create an all-brown dark theme for the root account? With the root set as a matching all-brown theme, users will still see when they're using the root account, and the windows will look half-decent (as opposed to using the most generic theme settings) Again, any suggestions will be implemented one way or another! Also, I'm thinking of getting a team together to work on a complete version of this style, from login screens to avant colour schemes aswell assuming thingskeep going in the right direction. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This?
I see the comments Julian - but I have some expertize in design so I can recognize values on that kind of things - so if someone wrote something - must be true ..hmm, ...just because ???. for example if I remember well WE agreed on the past to not consider comments like : That theme is a show stopper. Eww.. OR Yeah. That theme makes me want to puke... I won't even give Ubuntu 8.10 a try if it ships with that crap as a default theme. OR We thought you were Cuckoo for Coco Puffs not Horny for Linux OR Jumping Jackrabbits! Is someone has something to say ..arguments please, ... else millions of other forums wait out somewhere. On other hands, Ibex internal GUI team make not just big - but a huge mistake - all that peoples who think that a dark theme will succeed for a distro who wants to touch the mainstream - public institutions, enterprises and in general a large scale public - they just wrong. I like the theme, it's ok - but my professional opinion vote down. Sorry. I dream for an ...every people Ubuntu. On his most generously shape. This theme is perfect suitable for artists or for Gnome fans with some free time. To have a dark theme ( being the theme about we talk one other one, is unproductive - think about to peoples which work with forms everyday... U see, I not agree with a dark default theme too - because I am from the Design / GUI design area ( I got my money doing that ) but I make the difference - I know such kind of themes will not become too popular for the masses - but particularly I like the theme ( for me ), except the dark scrollbars and the pressed gnome buttons that are not very clear defined, so I give just an advice to author. Back to the the living beans planet, in forums I like explain my points of view and to stay away from my primary impulses ( thousands years of civilization should let some fingertips over peoples no ? ) so - I'll never say something like this theme suck ..., because it's not my level. On short: 1. I vote down for this theme. Sorry. 2. I'll use this theme on my free time doing artworks, because I like it. I think I'll change the scrollbar color before ;) 2008/7/1 Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..on or around Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:27:16PM +0300 SorinN wrote: regarding: See the complaints? We cannot let this happen. This theme is even worse then the default of Hardy 1. Well my question is about worse word. What is so worse .. ? 2. indeed some things could be improved. Scrollbars are almost invisible - which is not good - always you have to loose 1 or 2 seconds to focus your look to see if is something scrollable or not - but if the bar is colored and visible you will know from start if is something to scroll It's clear, the author is not a fervent reader of usability books - but hey - the rest is pretty clear and clean - he has talent he need ideas / help not this kind of remarks. 3. Criticism must be positive - I mean - if something is not good - let solve the problem, talk about problems not shoot the people... I'm got tired of Neanderthal positivism on almost all places - this community must think in a superior way. 4. Anyway this theme will make it's history between graphic artists, gamers - not office dedicated peoples, etc. On my opinion is one if the best dark theme that I see on last months - clearly defined buttons, elegant metacity theme. The only drawback - scrollbars not visible. regardless, it's clear that many people feel very strongly that they don't like the theme in its current iteration. i suggest you read some of their comments. my experience of it is also that it's a pretty poor dark theme. http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpcamp;s=50009562amp;f=174096756amp;m=299007113931amp;r=299007113931 from: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080629-horny-for-ubuntu-8-10-first-look-at-intrepid-ibex.html regardless, instead of just diving in there now and making changes - you fixing the scrollbars, me trying to return some sane contrast to the colour palette - i feel it would be wise to provide a central forum for /users/ of the theme to make constructive criticisms. it could take the form of a sticky thread setup by one of the moderators at Ubuntu Forums, alongside similar forums in other languages. currently, the criticisms are spread both too widely and in contexts not constructive to collating well-meaning, useful feedback.. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk
OK, Sebastian, thanks 2008/3/22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes of course... The only thing I was doing is, that I get the localtion of the widgets of the GdkWindow, compare them and draw a line on the border of the menu frame from the x coordinate of the menubaritemwidget to the x + width of the menubatritem. I think it's al little bit less cde than in the eXperience-engine... Wouldn't it be great, if cimi could do that on Murrine? And the menubar/toolbar-stuff? I think it's something many users want... Let's ask him (I'm doing so now;-)) Unfortunaltely I'm not at home this weekend... I'm writing from a friends XP... (1h using, 4 times down;-) Sorry, sometimes I need something like this...) I'll upload it on monday... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:23:03 +0200 Von: SorinN [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Betreff: Re: [ubuntu-art] creamlooks-gtk I'm sorry but http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz don't work because of acces rights. Actually is Forbiden. So : 1. Please let us download this file ;) .. 2. Can we do this hack for other engines ? cheers, Sorin 2008/3/17, Sebastian Billaudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops... sorry.! Here with the right subject! _ Hi there! Here is my official announcement of my interpretation of the clearlooks-engine. My version is called creamlooks. Ut us based on clear-/xl_cheeselooks, but has some advantages: I. Bugfixes: In xl_cheeselooks there was a problem with windows with menubar but without toolbar. It was very ugly. II. New features: 1. I tried to change the menus and menubaritems that they look like one single widget (We discussed that before...). It works now. 2. I wanted to be as close as possible to Ken's Union-stuff. I think some parts looks very close to this... 3. The ugly (my opinion) patterns on the notebook-tabs are changed. 4. Most corners are a little bit less rounded. You can download the stuff here: http://kieselsteinchen.ki.funpic.de/creamlooks.tar.gz You can read more about it (screenshot...) here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/creamlooks cheers Sebastian P. S.: My modem is working now again... -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] hardy artwork
Clear Looks or Ubuntulooks would look nice with an usable scrollbar ( I mean distinctive ) - as the Aurora theme has ( even that Aurora tent to be on top of highest rated of gtk2 engines on gnome-look.org [ that's mean something - rest of the world dont care about what we talk here ;) - maybe we can keep something good this engine - if we don't like / want Aurora at the end ). Murrine can be a good engine too on the other side - with the same problem - scrollbar face need a lift on it's form ( to be more visible, ( using a scrolltrack gradient [ ... ] ). Also default font for Murrine on Cimi website screenshots is a bit scary regarding it's usability - a little bit fat font could be a better solution on small UI widgets. -- Nemes Ioan Sorin -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
