Re: [ubuntu-uk] HP, Dell, et al - come to Linux!
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:22 +0100, k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote: Hello All Alas, I suspect this interesting looking device is not going to be mass marketed. It will be available only from Microsoft shops or by mail order from Microsoft. Sounds like a 'reference platform' or 'concept' to me I could be wrong and sort of hope I am for similar reasons. Cheers Original Message From: mac ammonius.grammati...@gmx.co.uk To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:47:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [ubuntu-uk] HP, Dell, et al - come to Linux! Now that MS is telling Dell, HP, and the rest of its OEMs that they are not its future... http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-business/microsoft-pc-and-tablet-makers-youre-not-our-future-195877 ...perhaps the hardware firms will smell the coffee and start pre-installing and seriously supporting Linux? #BusinessModels :) mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ The usual pattern is to try out new products in the upper (low volume) business market niche. Whilst production and product bugs can be gradually sorted out. Then gradually reducing the cost of production with increased volumes. Moving the original model down market as the next new model surfaces. The trend in manufacturing is away from China, towards localised, closely linked manufacturing units. But I haven't seen them buy out any manufacturer. Unless they intend to capitalise on Nokia's manufacturing know-how : by buying them. So that the devices will probably be built in India. Just as it was a mistake for Nokia to continue manufacturing their own phones. It will be a bigger mistake for M$ to do so. Much better to stay focussed on the software and innovation side. In any case, I guess patch-Tuesdays are going to be even more busier for the in-crowd. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Server 11.10 -- how do I enable remot access via Putty?
Hi Alex, sudo ufw allow ssh if your using ufw firewalls on both client and server. However my guess is that the problem is likely connected to password permissions, after exchanging keys. The Ubuntu help documentation is very useful in this area : https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html John On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 17:01 +, Alexander Birchall wrote: Hi, I thought I was quite experienced at administering a Ubuntu Server, but I am totally confused by the graphical desktop for Ubuntu Server 11.10. I need to be able to remotely connect to the server with Putty (my choice for remote access to servers). But how do I enable this remote access -- when I try I get a message saying network connection refused. Do I need to disable/configure a firewall? How would I do that? Hoping someone can assist. Best wishes, Alex -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi
This the breakthrough we needed ! http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypicm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi Has anyone got one yet ? John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi
On 29/02/12 17:52, Simon Greenwood wrote: On 29 February 2012 17:41, Andy Braben andybra...@gmail.com mailto:andybra...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 February 2012 17:27, john beddard j...@creationspace.co.uk mailto:j...@creationspace.co.uk wrote: This the breakthrough we needed ! http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypicm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypicm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi says Fedora http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17190334 says Debian. I doubt if they have a full standard install of either operating system. -- The Fedora build is a desktop build (called a remix, so probably not with all the bangs and whistles of the out of the box DVD distro) and fits on a 2Gb SD card. The Debian build is, I believe, more server oriented, but that's Debian generally is. XFCE will run happily in 256Mb of RAM and there are other small GUIs with the same kind of footprint/ s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood more of a stain than a globule Yes, but at least its going to popularise Linux in the school environment. Along with making coding fun. It will almost certainly not be a full standard install of either Fedora or Debian. However it presents a breakthrough that can be built on. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi
On 29/02/12 18:07, Rob Beard wrote: On 29/02/12 17:27, john beddard wrote: This the breakthrough we needed ! http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypicm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi Has anyone got one yet ? John Probably like many others I was up at 6am to try and order one but I wasn't so lucky, but I registered my interest. I'm looking forward to getting a couple to play with (got a couple of ideas so far). Rob Likewise Rob, Registered interest in 2. Looking forward to using the command line. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi
On 29/02/12 20:45, Steve Pearce wrote: On 29/02/12 17:27, john beddard wrote: This the breakthrough we needed ! http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=raspberrypicm_mmc=UK-PPC-0212-_-02_Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_PI-_-Raspberry_Pi Has anyone got one yet ? I was up at 05:30 for the announcement and was quite lucky to secure my Pi a couple of hours later, but considering my expected delivery date is mid April; I don't think it's a part of the initial 10,000 batch. On 29/02/12 18:38, Paul Sladen wrote: For those wondering: Ubuntu targets the ARMv7 *instruction set* Raspberry Pi is only ARMv6 *instruction set* See: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM#ARM_Processor This means that the out-of-the-box the .deb packages in Ubuntu won't work. —ARMv6 support was dropped in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (lucid). Hopefully once RPs are out there in massive numbers it'll be possible to do a re-built version of Ubuntu; and to possibly make things transparently work with multi-arch. Unity is such a fresh and exciting environment to study and use. I imagine kids would get excited about it on looks alone. It's so much classier than what they're used to seeing on their smartboards. Imagine if Unity could be optimized to run well on the such low-end hardware. Or if that's not realistic then consider a new window manager that takes all of the design principles of the Unity desktop but strips out a lot of the integration so as to improve performance. It would be king! Unfortunately porting platforms to different architectures and developing window managers is way out of my range of understanding currently, but it's something I'm keen to learn about :-) We need to make Ubuntu and/or Unity on RaspberryPi a reality! --stevepdp Fantastic dedication Paul, Hope that they are looking towards broadening their production base. I know that the BBC have been looking to repeat the success that they had with the Acorn. No doubt they will be looking towards developing series based around the Pi. Guess my order will arrive somewhere around June. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raspberry Pi
On 29/02/12 21:25, Steve Pearce wrote: On 29/02/12 21:06, john beddard wrote: Fantastic dedication Paul, Hope that they are looking towards broadening their production base. I know that the BBC have been looking to repeat the success that they had with the Acorn. No doubt they will be looking towards developing series based around the Pi. Guess my order will arrive somewhere around June. John I'm not sure of the validity of this, but it seems that a BBC Computer Literacy Project for 2012 is in the works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Computer_Literacy_Project_2012 It sounds like a body of cross platform educational tools which could run on Ubuntu, Mac, Windows and of course the RaspberryPi. Let's hope that whatever it is they come out with is released as Free Software. --stevepdp Absolutely Steve, I worked in a lab where someone was working with Arduino. Some senior people from BBC said that it was just what they had been looking for. I haven't seen anything since, however I think that the popularity of Pi could carry the day this time. I'm sure that other variations will also come to the surface. Other developments, such as YaCy : http://yacy.net/en/ suggest that a tipping point towards Free Software is arriving. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] DFD
Don't forget everyone : DFD 2012 http://www.documentfreedom.org/ John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Newcastle Happy Hour
If anyone is interested in meeting up in Newcastle. Or is already doing so. I would like to link-up and contribute. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business
On 19/11/11 00:50, Gareth France wrote: Naturally everything is in it's infancy right now. I'll be providing a mix of new and reasonable spec second hand machines. Expect the range to be rather limited at first but I'll be looking to grow it quite quickly. The website isn't up just yet but the email is working sa...@cliftonts.co.ukor I'm always available by phone on 07973 281384. I'm based in Bucks but I'm looking into shipping options at the moment and it should be easily do-able. Check out http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com and expect to see me at most of their events from now on. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.ukwrote: On 19/11/11 00:42, Gareth France wrote: I'm toying with moving on to arranging a met up for those interested as I collect them and just generally trying to get a bit of a buzz locally. Thanks for the offer, of course keeping costs low will be crucial to making this work. I'll be in touch in due course. where in the country are you based? How can people on the list find you to get one of your fine pre-installed Ubuntu machines? -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ukhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Gareth, Open-source developments such as Ubuntu, lend themselves naturally to furthering local community development. For example if you offer some sort of training to local people, possibly around a LoCo. You will find that the local council will be really interested in some sort of regeneration funding. Most of them are now frantically looking for alternatives away from the 'retail bubble.' Another possibility is to consider looking at becoming a Social Enterprise, such as a Community Investment Company (CIC). Where investors and funding agencies really understand relatively new ideas such as, open-source and crowdsourcing. I believe that there are good funding possibilities for CICs. Don't forget that taking traditional bank funding can also limit your company's flexibility grow. Largely because the bank is only interested in making money from your business. They have no interest in supporting fresh new ideas. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lack of support for small business
On 19/11/11 09:28, Gareth France wrote: I have no interest in borrowing money whatsoever. I'm hoping to develop in the direction of group meets, training days etc. I'm intrigued by the idea of install fests, plenty of opportunities out there. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:21 AM, john beddard j...@creationspace.co.ukwrote: On 19/11/11 00:50, Gareth France wrote: Naturally everything is in it's infancy right now. I'll be providing a mix of new and reasonable spec second hand machines. Expect the range to be rather limited at first but I'll be looking to grow it quite quickly. The website isn't up just yet but the email is working sa...@cliftonts.co.ukor I'm always available by phone on 07973 281384. I'm based in Bucks but I'm looking into shipping options at the moment and it should be easily do-able. Check out http://www.britishcomputerfairs.com and expect to see me at most of their events from now on. On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Alan Bell alan.b...@libertus.co.uk wrote: On 19/11/11 00:42, Gareth France wrote: I'm toying with moving on to arranging a met up for those interested as I collect them and just generally trying to get a bit of a buzz locally. Thanks for the offer, of course keeping costs low will be crucial to making this work. I'll be in touch in due course. where in the country are you based? How can people on the list find you to get one of your fine pre-installed Ubuntu machines? -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/**mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/**UKTeam/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Gareth, Open-source developments such as Ubuntu, lend themselves naturally to furthering local community development. For example if you offer some sort of training to local people, possibly around a LoCo. You will find that the local council will be really interested in some sort of regeneration funding. Most of them are now frantically looking for alternatives away from the 'retail bubble.' Another possibility is to consider looking at becoming a Social Enterprise, such as a Community Investment Company (CIC). Where investors and funding agencies really understand relatively new ideas such as, open-source and crowdsourcing. I believe that there are good funding possibilities for CICs. Don't forget that taking traditional bank funding can also limit your company's flexibility grow. Largely because the bank is only interested in making money from your business. They have no interest in supporting fresh new ideas. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Your local Council Regeneration Team and University Enterprise (Entrepreneurial) Department. Will be setting up many start-ups with e-payment arrangements everyday. They will be glad to hear from you. And will have a contact person at the Bank (usually Nat West) to refer you to. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Courses/Certification/UK
On 25/10/11 13:35, MS wrote:Hello Steve, I would recommend the Ubuntu Professional Course available from Ubuntu's own Training Team. Its half the price of the O.U Course and is extensive, with something like 16 modules. Its an ideal preparation for the more extensive Ubuntu Server Course. Although it requires the discipline of self-study. My own motivation for the doing this is to build an openstreet map server, with openstreet map being built on the Ubuntu Server. Hope this helps, John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Courses/Certification/UK
On 25/10/11 19:26, Barry Titterton wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-25 at 16:47 +0100, john beddard wrote: On 25/10/11 13:35, MS wrote:Hello Steve, I would recommend the Ubuntu Professional Course available from Ubuntu's own Training Team. Its half the price of the O.U Course and is extensive, with something like 16 modules. Its an ideal preparation for the more extensive Ubuntu Server Course. Although it requires the discipline of self-study. My own motivation for the doing this is to build an openstreet map server, with openstreet map being built on the Ubuntu Server. Hope this helps, John John, What competence level does the Ubuntu Professional Course start at? Barry T Hi Barry, I would say that it's a good introductory course to using the command line within different structured areas of Ubuntu : https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=533 Any experience using command line is useful. It is aimed at Sys Admins. After a while the knowledge needed is extensive, so is the knowledge gained : there is no end to the learning process. With a background in networks, I wanted a structured course in order to gain experience with Linux/Unix command line, which is extensive. This course has really got me into Ubuntu. I found the book 'Ubuntu Linux' by Chris Nergus and Francois Caen to be useful in broadening and sometimes deepening the course. The Ubuntu Prof Course has more command line than the Linux equivalent LPIC-1 and is less explanatory. The two are now considered separate qualifications. Although the Ubuntu Prof Course really needs to be done in the context of providing the basis for the Server and Cloud Computing Courses. Each module ends with a quiz and the course is just completed : unless there is a surprise exam waiting for me ! The course is self-paced with a maximum of one year to access the materials on-line. One surprising aspect of the course was that i was also able to quickly understand the Windows file and command system. My hope is that the Server and Cloud Courses come up to the professional level of Cisco Certification Courses. It would be good to build learning groups around the Ubuntu Prof Course. Hope This Helps ! John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?
Many Thanks Alan, Platform standards are the key to the whole game. With the final decisions being made at the political level. Will keep up to date with U.K Government decision making.And join Open-Source Lobby. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?
They are not the same but successful platforms derive from the adoption of standards : usually taking years and loads of committee meetings. A platform is like a bus. Get it into the bus station before the competition. Then leave no passengers behind. The saying' Its more difficult to be popular, than to make money. reverberates around Silicon Valley. The reason for Nokia's success in the early 90's came directly from the early adoption 3G standard in Finland. So Government can really support home business with the early adoption of standards. Hopefully in our case open-source. Especially with internet landscape changing so quickly now. The Digital Economy will not support closed solutions based on 1980's business models. And the U.K can benefit from adopting the community based format. John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] hard disk problem ?
Its come to the situation now that whenever we go to local business meetings. It is possible to identify the Windows 'wolf-pack' hovering in the back-ground, ready to get their teeth into us. LOL! I love these situations because I can see the potential for skilfully engaging with people. However last night, after easily engaging in the usual 'Diss List' of Ubuntu inadequacy. We got given one 'Diss' that made me think. Baring in mind that this is useful for us also. It was this : Linux doesn't seem to give a warning message when the hard-disk is full, instead the system seem to die and shut down. Has anyone come across this before. They said it was their main reason for not using Ubuntu ? John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LoCo team reapproval workshop now on
Hi Alan, Can't see how Public Pad works. I'm looking to start LoCos in Darlington and Middlesbrough during August, September. This could be added to New Teams. Promoting through posters and DVD distribution throughout both towns. In the same places I am also starting an Open-Source Club for small and home business. That will also benchmark Ubuntu with Windows solutions. Currently studying the Ubuntu Professional Course with a view towards supporting other people in studying the Course. Offering to become a distributor for Edubuntu DVDs. John On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:18 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, we had a meeting scheduled for this evening to go through the reapproval application, I think a meeting with an agenda isn't really what we need so we are having a kind of workshop/ collaboration session using IRC and the #ubuntu-uk channel http://ubuntu-uk.org/join-the-conversation/ Also might try to do some voice conferencing using mumble (available in the software centre) and my server at mumble.libertus.co.uk however we are having a few connection difficulties at the moment (server seems fine) We are drafting the reapproval on this page http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/reapproval and it has to meet all the requirements here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved do come and join in, we need all the help we can get! Alan -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu in schools
There was an interesting discussion about the promotion of Ubuntu to schools. I don't recall having seen the following case study presented. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies/Andalusia-deploys-22-Ubuntu-desktops-in-schools-throughout-the-region Could be wrong, maybe interesting. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] public services
Yes Alan, Successful products/ developments today are customer inclusive. Including them at the LoCo level is a good idea. Although how skilfully this can be done requires some consideration. My experience is that local government (Councils) are desperate to discover and become a part of the technology/ internet scene and learn how it works. Having invested largely in other now declining sectors over the past 20 years, for example retail. The emphasis is shifting back towards a 'skills based' rather than a consumer-based economy. My sense is that social enterprise would provide the most interested people. Since their approach is similar to that of the open-source community. Plus the fact they already have a 'change-mindset.'In wanting to serve the community with ideas that originally came from a minority base : like Ubuntu. John On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 10:01 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 25/06/11 11:45, Yorvyk wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 20:24:51 +0100 Carlos Ferreiracarlosemferre...@gmail.com wrote: The UK team should be talking to Universities and other public services, doing advocacy and trying to figure out what the obstacles to the adoption of free software are, and how they can be overcome. In fact, it's something I'd like to do myself. The problem with this idea is that you have to find somebody with influence who is willing to listen to some oik that's just wandered in off the street and is telling them their IT strategy is wrong. That's how it was described to me by a senior IT bod at a council. His suggestion was that Canonical need to be doing this sort of thing with professional 'sales' people. they do, we sometimes work with them. There are several consultancy companies working with local governments and at national level to promote and advocate software freedom. I am involved in some of this and hope to give a more wide ranging update on it in a few weeks. Also the philosophy of Open Source doesn't really wash, what’s needed is numbers in Pounds Stirling. Somewhat true, but vendor lock in is a bit of a driver. A lot of the standard Free Software arguments don't really apply at government level. you can adapt the software to your needs - yeah, we just pay them to do that what if your requirements are not on the vendor's roadmap - we tell them what their roadmap is and they do it what if the vendor goes out of business? - nobody goes out of business if they are trading with us what if you want to audit the source code to see what it does? - we demand to see it and they let us so they actually do understand and value the benefits of software freedom, they just are used to paying for most of it. Economic arguments have some traction, freedom to reuse software is of value, freedom from having to count users for license compliance is of value. Anyhow, back to the point. The stuff we should be doing as a LoCo is providing a community for the public and private sector to join. With community support there is no helper/helpee distinction, and I don't want to create one, it is a user group that shares technical support knowledge and helps each other, not a technical support service. The public sector at the moment has a real lack of community understanding, they are used to, and comfortable with, a customer/vendor relationship. The main failing I see at the moment is a tendency in their open source strategies to attempt to treat the Open Source community as a supplier, I don't want them to procure stuff from the community. I want them to join and be part of the community. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] public services
Well Alan, Just using my own situation as a simple template. I would like to focus on a small local area such as the town Darlington. Darlington is a good choice because it has good railway links to other areas. 1. Start a promotional blitz in the area lasting say 4 weeks. Including Unis, Colleges, libraries and basically anyone who may be interested. Just highlighting Ubuntu. 2. Meet up with the local regeneration team with pointing out the possibility to attract a new exciting technology to the area. That can involve the community and save small business-including social enterprises- start-up companies a lot in IT costs. Asking the Council if they have any suitable venues and free shop fronts. Then ask if they would also like to attend any event or LoCo meetings : they always do anyway. 3. Do the same in local business clubs. In the clubs I have been to so far I thought that I would have to explain all about open-source and Ubuntu. It turned that people were already 'savvy' and some were already using Ubuntu. Further north in Newcastle, RedHat already have a support office. 4. Then go back to stage one advertising actual dates and for events and a possible first LoCo Meet up. John On Sun, 2011-06-26 at 14:28 +0100, alan c wrote: On 26/06/11 10:34, john beddard wrote: My sense is that social enterprise would provide the most interested people. Since their approach is similar to that of the open-source community. Plus the fact they already have a 'change-mindset.'In wanting to serve the community with ideas that originally came from a minority base : like Ubuntu. What should be done as first steps in this direction? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?
I've found some of the ideas brainstormed so far really useful. Also the promotional materials. In alignment with the brainstorming principles : no commitment, no judgement. I'd like to mention one that could be filed under the 'crazy' heading. With the main business and social trends currently being towards saving energy and resources. I think it could be worth discussing how Ubuntu can contribute towards this end. For example, how could Ubuntu be adapted for home business and home devices market. In alignment with the SmartGrid that is due to begin adoption around 2015 : https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Smart_grid Maybe a little ahead of time for most realists. However if Microsoft are able to connect up home devices to their PC/Wireless solutions. They could become even more entrenched in the home market. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?
Start a Social Enterprise that supports Ubuntu LoCo set up and operation. Including support for promotional materials and partner training. Then make this a template for further Social Enterprise start ups. I will contact Teesside, Durham and Newcastle Unis about installfest idea. Although will have to wait until the students return after summer-time. John On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:11 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: As a team we do stuff for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- * Support * Advocacy * Promotion * Events I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. So, simple question:- As a team, what should we be doing within the UK? What would be really good is to just brainstorm, get a bunch of ideas, NOT debate each one into the ground, just come up with ideas, the details can follow later. Here's my starter for 10. UK Team should seek monetary sponsorship from companies and individuals, and invest that sponsorship money in Ubuntu related projects and events in the UK Your turn. Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] ubunchu
I guess everyone is aware of the Ubunchu Manga comic for young people new to Ubuntu : https://seotch.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/ubunchu01/ The Michigan LoCo have been using this Manga to really good effect. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
These are valuable lessons that we need to take on board Tony. However we are dealing across an international community, where Ubuntu can have different meanings. Not forgetting that Microsoft Windows has very negative image across the world. To the point that most users had to begin using it, because they had no other choice. My first response would to make the name more accessible by the marketing people : U2 Ubuntu. However, probably better, would be the use of graphic characters, something the open-source community has been exceptional at doing. So for example a Natty Narwhale character for the current 11.04 release. Making each major release more memorable. Alternatively, whilst Ubuntu's logo is strong, this characterisation could be done for the school's and young adult market in general. John On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 21:06 +0100, (:techitone:) wrote: Hi, I've been using Ubuntu on and off for a couple of years now and have learned a lot from reading the UK Ubuntu Talk emails. I've install Xubuntu many times on older (+5 to -10 years) laptops and I've given these laptops to people to borrow for community projects that I'm working on. It takes them a little while to get out of their Windows or Mac OS way of working but the people that borrow them are eventually impressed by how easy and reliable they are to use. These people are 'Joe Public', they have no tech skills and have no desire to have any tech skills. All they want/need to do is email, use Facebook, surf the Net, write something to print out, maybe watch a DVD and play music. Everyone knows what Windows is because they, their friends, family, neighbours, work colleagues etc use it. Windows is everywhere in Joe Public's world. Some of them use Mac's, sometimes for the same reasons as above for Windows but in my experience it's because it's what they used during further and higher education, ie for creating video's using Final Cut Pro, publishing using In Design etc. They then go into the industry and use FCP etc on Mac's in the workplace. The iPod, iPhone and iPad have also converted many users to the Mac. In my experience when I speak with people about trying, or even switching to, Ubuntu there is always a stumbling block with the name 'Ubuntu' and the names of all the releases, Dapper Drake, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala, Lucid Lynx, Maverick Meerkat, Natty Narwhal. They just seem to 'switch off' to the whole idea of it. Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. If it doesn't sound cool it isn't gonna sell, even if it's free! Any advertising freelancer will tell you this. What's Ubuntu? What's an Ubuntu? The UK market have no concept/comprehension of this word. They have no common frame of reference. They want to know what the word Ubuntu is. I tell them it's a philosophy and that it means, I am what I am because of who we all are. (From a translation offered by Liberian peace activist Leymah Gbowee.) and that it's an operating system that they can freely install on their PC. I can even give them the wiki definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 And by the time I mentioned the names of the releases they have just glazed over. Apart from when I say 'Maverick Meerkat' which is 'cool' because of the TV ads featuring a Meerkat that says, Simples. If Ubuntu is not a cool word = Ubuntu is not cool :( Most of the people that borrow the laptops end up installing a copy of Ubuntu on their home Windows PC so they can dual boot into either, just in case!' They feel much 'safer' using Ubuntu after using it on a free machine for a while, with everything installed for them and working. Only one person I've 'spoken' to about Ubuntu has installed it on there own desktop as their only OS. They came to my house to install it becuase they we're worried something would go wrong. This person really enjoy's using Ubuntu. They took a copy of it to Uni on a bootable flash drive and impressed fellow students and their lecturers when they were able to boot a copy of Ubuntu from a 'pen drive' on a networked Uni PC, and were amazed when they could gain access to files they shouldn't have been able to! This made what Ubuntu could do cool for these people, the name though was not popular. The Ubuntu OS is really cool, but we know this. The word Ubuntu is cool in our world but from my experience it's not cool in the world of Joe Public. I would really like to find a way to enthuse people about Ubuntu but I don't know how the get past it's name turning them off the idea. Any suggestions, please? Cheers, Tony :) -- -- (:techitone:) -- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the information loop. I would like to contribute. Microsoft have embedded themselves in the schools/ university networks. Spending a massive amount of resources in maintaining a presence in these organisations. However many of the schools and universities are still using XP, largely because of the cost of upgrading. In the current economic climate they are certainly interested in at least benchmarking Ubuntu with Win 7. I know of one Uni seriously considering switching from Sage Quicken to GnuCash as well as to Gimp from Adobe Photoshop. With the biggest source of resistance being Sys Admins qualified in Windows networks. Its also worth remembering that in most schools / universities they are still not aware of the higher usability of Ubuntu for early users. John On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 12:17 +0100, gazz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 11:43 +0100, Sarah Chard wrote: O n Fri, 2011-06-10 at 11:15 +0100, gazz wrote: We've previously found it difficult to do stuff in schools because policy has rather dictated an emphasis on Microsoft Office skills but this is changing and we're now looking at doing work in schools - particularly to develop a new generation of programmers. Regards, Paula Paula We've talked about this quite a bit at our LUG meetings and have put special emphasis on contacting teachers and students for our open source events - we had some success at our March event as we had a number of students from the local 6th form college who attended. we are looking to build on this for our event in sept for software freedom day - so any ideas gratefully received I would be interested in developing material to make it easier for teachers / students to get started - it would be useful to have a resource that local LUGS and others could then tap into if they are trying to get interest in schools and colleges in their area. Sarah Hi Sarah - OK sounds good! I need to look for some funding to develop this - we're working on doing an Ubuntu-basics course for our non-profits and this could be adapted for schools. We're also looking at doing some programming basics workshops for schools. It's in the very early stages (and I keep getting sidetracked cos we lost the bulk of our funding in April and it's been a bit hellish) but I'll keep you posted. Let me know if you happen to visit London, maybe we could meet up? I think we're doing pretty similar work. Also, I'm in the process of setting up a women's FOSS advocacy network with Anna from Open Computers in Manc (who's also doing similar work) - I'll send you details when we get under way? By the way, do you know Richard Ross-Langley who used to be the circuit rider? He has good contacts with the VCS and comes down to the FOSS Fridays frequently. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki
I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there. Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ? Many Thanks, John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] wiki
Thanks Alan, Will check it out. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki
That's fantastic Alan ! Much Appreciated, John On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 21:44 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: On 09/06/11 20:30, john beddard wrote: I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there. Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ? Many Thanks, John yeah, you had managed to create a page with a space in it which is a bit unusual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/john%20beddard I made it a redirect to a CamelCase version which will be easier to find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBeddard Alan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] New Business
I'm in a similar position. Sole Trader is good for keeping down paperwork. However in terms of business appearance many start-ups are looking at Limited Liability Partnership (LLP). Largely because it actually looks more official to potential customers, without adding too much in terms of paperwork. For a straightforward explanation try www.start.biz -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
