Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Thank you Barkha. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barkha Khatri Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:32 PM To: Ubuntu India Local Community Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign On 10/19/07, Manu Mahajan wrote: Also I'm not getting the emails that I have sent to the list although I do get an acknowledgment every time I post. Are there any settings in the mailing list that is preventing this? Go to the list options page[1], put in your email address, your password, and then sign in, set the acknowledgment option to `No' and `receive your own posts' to `yes' [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-in Greetings, Barkha. P.S. You can also navigate to the options page if you hit the url that goes out with every mail posted on the list. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Please write mails in plain text, Manu. Its a problem to people who have slow connections/handheld devices. Thanks!! Pratul -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Hi community I've just joined. I'd like to help out. I can contribute in anything related from testing, coding, configuring or managing servers, writing documentation(in Hindi or English) etc. I'm a bit pressed for time for a few days. Let's say a week, but after that I'll have a lot of hours to spare. I can still do some QA for this drupal install while my code is compiling ;) Let me know. Manu _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lut4rp Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:59 PM To: Ubuntu India Local Community Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign Few small updates... * I updated the wiki at ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Web2007 * A Drupal install to test Ubuntu india beta, based on Drupal 5.3, will be running on my hosting by today evening. Details later... * Anyone else, apart from VK and me, who wants to help us out with testing it, ping back! Thats it. :) Pratul -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Few small updates... * I updated the wiki at ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Web2007 * A Drupal install to test Ubuntu india beta, based on Drupal 5.3, will be running on my hosting by today evening. Details later... * Anyone else, apart from VK and me, who wants to help us out with testing it, ping back! Thats it. :) Pratul -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Oh and I also have a fast server with lots of available space and bandwidth if required. I have shell access and can install anything I want. php, mysql, java are running. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lut4rp Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:59 PM To: Ubuntu India Local Community Subject: Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign Few small updates... * I updated the wiki at ubuntu-in.org/wiki/Web2007 * A Drupal install to test Ubuntu india beta, based on Drupal 5.3, will be running on my hosting by today evening. Details later... * Anyone else, apart from VK and me, who wants to help us out with testing it, ping back! Thats it. :) Pratul -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/19/07, Manu Mahajan wrote: Also I'm not getting the emails that I have sent to the list although I do get an acknowledgment every time I post. Are there any settings in the mailing list that is preventing this? Go to the list options page[1], put in your email address, your password, and then sign in, set the acknowledgment option to `No' and `receive your own posts' to `yes' [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/options/ubuntu-in Greetings, Barkha. P.S. You can also navigate to the options page if you hit the url that goes out with every mail posted on the list. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Hey.. How about having a ppage on planet Ubuntu India? Where the best posts from the members' blog will be posted along with their hackerogotchi image? Any takers? Bhavani Shankar On 10/17/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Soumyadip Modak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I'll be upgrading Mediawiki, and enabling captcha. good we need captcha desperately. 2. I'll install Drupal on mekong (the server on which ubuntu-in.org is hosted). Vivek and Pratul will have full admin rights to this installation. We'll see how the combined Drupal and MediaWiki layout works out. If it clicks, that's great. If it doesn't, we'll go back to the MediaWiki site. Take your time, I will be traveling till 24th of october and will not be able to access internet between 20th and 24th. Also, when you are deploying a new drupal instance i would recommend please install a mediawiki instance so that we can configure things like single sign on etc. In case there are problems in instlaling drupal on the hosting server, let me know, i can install drupal + media wiki on my serevr and we can test there. Only problem is you will see test url as www.vivekkhurana.com/something regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/18/07, Bhavani Shankar R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey.. How about having a ppage on planet Ubuntu India? Where the best posts from the members' blog will be posted along with their hackerogotchi image? Any takers? +1 for idea why not just setup a planet system and aggregate the feeds, instead of manually posting -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
That was wexactly my last post.. thanks for the support...:) Regards, Bhavani Shankar. On 10/18/07, Mir Nazim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/18/07, Bhavani Shankar R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey.. How about having a ppage on planet Ubuntu India? Where the best posts from the members' blog will be posted along with their hackerogotchi image? Any takers? +1 for idea why not just setup a planet system and aggregate the feeds, instead of manually posting -- ALLAH HAFIZ --- Mir Nazim --- mobile: +91-9906478306 --- website: http://www.xensoftlabs.com blog: http://mirnazim.wordpress.com --- Yahoo, Gmail/GTalk, Skype, AOL : mirnazim -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/18/07, Bhavani Shankar R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was wexactly my last post.. thanks for the support...:) That is what i mentioned in the tag line of my last email in the thread. Anyways I have added the idea on wiki last night. regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
1. Old team members feel that wiki is the way to go. I am one of them. New team members feel that some CMS like Drupal is the way to go. 2. Old team members feel we should use existing infrastructure and make Ubuntu-IN website as beautiful as possible. New team members feel that existing infrastructure is not flexible enough. 3. Old team members feel that there isn't enough contribution to content. New team members feel that old members are ranting. The new team members are not saying no-wiki! We want a mixed solution like the one that exists on ubuntu.com. A framework like Drupal will help us in the long run. A totally wiki based solution is too geeky. And I am sure we dont think that the old members are ranting. Its a critical overhaul and in the best interest of everybody, such a decision is bound to recieve all sorts of viewpoints! 1. The reason behind many pages being locked is a bot attack that happened long time ago. Please contact me on #ubuntu-in and I will unlock specific pages. I did not know that MediaWiki had insecurity to this level, or that the SysAdmins did not utilise the security to the max. Drupal is a highly-secure platform. I have never heard of a Drupal website under attack. 3. We are using very old version of Mediawiki, 1.5. So I think it is better to look into upgrade of the software to 1.7. This will enable us to install some plugins for calendar, captcha etc. Having a calendar is the most importanmt thing now. And having a captcha mechanism will prevent bot attacks in future. G0SUB please take up this task or provide us the necessary information needed for this upgrade. The members with the provision to access the server are not doing their part of responsibility. I looked up the version of MediaWiki on the Ubuntu india website. We are on 1.5 and the latest stable build is 1.11 4. This is call for new contributors to try using existing infrastructure. Let's say we try it for next 6 months. If it doesn't work out then we can consider other solutions. Nothing is going to change in 6 months, very sorry if I am being rude. It shall only add to the straining infrastructure. Even after few years of establishment, the community doesnt have many members. 5. Sine most of the old members are busy with their jobs and personal lives, I think it is time to pass on the admin rights to new members. We can have a meeting on this weekend on #ubuntu-in to decide who administrates what. Now thats a nice idea. I hope the senior members will take some step in this direction. We should have such a structure that people who feel they are not getting enough time can gracefully exit the admin responsibilities. Pratul In a world without fences boundaries, who needs Gates and Windows? personal website - http://techjugaad.com/techbakwaas -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/17/07, Lut4rp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Old team members feel that wiki is the way to go. I am one of them. New team members feel that some CMS like Drupal is the way to go. 2. Old team members feel we should use existing infrastructure and make Ubuntu-IN website as beautiful as possible. New team members feel that existing infrastructure is not flexible enough. 3. Old team members feel that there isn't enough contribution to content. New team members feel that old members are ranting. The new team members are not saying no-wiki! We want a mixed solution like the one that exists on ubuntu.com. A framework like Drupal will help us in the long run. A totally wiki based solution is too geeky. And I am sure we dont think that the old members are ranting. Its a critical overhaul and in the best interest of everybody, such a decision is bound to recieve all sorts of viewpoints! 1. The reason behind many pages being locked is a bot attack that happened long time ago. Please contact me on #ubuntu-in and I will unlock specific pages. I did not know that MediaWiki had insecurity to this level, or that the SysAdmins did not utilise the security to the max. Drupal is a highly-secure platform. I have never heard of a Drupal website under attack. You got it wrong. The attack was by a bot (mostly) who created an account and edited pages through that account. And that is when I locked almost all the pages. This is the reason I said we need captcha mechanism for which we will need to upgrade wiki. 3. We are using very old version of Mediawiki, 1.5. So I think it is better to look into upgrade of the software to 1.7. This will enable us to install some plugins for calendar, captcha etc. Having a calendar is the most importanmt thing now. And having a captcha mechanism will prevent bot attacks in future. G0SUB please take up this task or provide us the necessary information needed for this upgrade. The members with the provision to access the server are not doing their part of responsibility. I looked up the version of MediaWiki on the Ubuntu india website. We are on 1.5 and the latest stable build is 1.11 Agreed. For whatever reasons this has not been done in time. But I don't want to blame anyone and will take responsibility to make sure that this is done in 2 weeks time. 4. This is call for new contributors to try using existing infrastructure. Let's say we try it for next 6 months. If it doesn't work out then we can consider other solutions. Nothing is going to change in 6 months, very sorry if I am being rude. It shall only add to the straining infrastructure. Even after few years of establishment, the community doesnt have many members. At least I am not asking for infinite time. Or I am not saying that things will change automatically. What I am saying that we at least try to use existing infrastructure to improve the site in next 6 months. If the current infrastructure collapses under load then we are bound to look for other solutions. 5. Sine most of the old members are busy with their jobs and personal lives, I think it is time to pass on the admin rights to new members. We can have a meeting on this weekend on #ubuntu-in to decide who administrates what. Now thats a nice idea. I hope the senior members will take some step in this direction. We should have such a structure that people who feel they are not getting enough time can gracefully exit the admin responsibilities. Hey, we agree on one point at least. :-) Onkar -- Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. Don't ask why - the reason is the same. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Soumyadip Modak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nan budh, you are talking about Newbie sections, go ahead, the wiki is there, create a section, contribute content. Can I consider you as the contact point for the creation and development of the Newbie section, please? I myself am a beginner only and this is why i feel the need for a newbie section. Even so, if i there is something i can write about i am willing to do it ( under guidance from some experienced person). I donot know systems programming and only have hobbyist experience in VB.NET. In order to learn python I have planned a mini application in django with postgresql. Of course this is not ubuntu specific thing but if it can be contributed as a sample Django application i would be very happy to write a tutorial on it as and as i progress. regards nanbudh - Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download.-- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/17/07, Onkar Shinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Old team members feel we should use existing infrastructure and make Ubuntu-IN website as beautiful as possible. New team members feel that existing infrastructure is not flexible enough. 3. Old team members feel that there isn't enough contribution to content. New team members feel that old members are ranting. Absolutely. The old members feel that we need start from scratch and that is not the requirement of the hour. What we need is more resources in the form of contribution from our members. Even it is going to be called whatever in the current wiki format, it is there and it can be proudly pointed as done by Ubuntu-In members. We want to have stuff and then show off. Simple! Proposed solution: Please note that I agree with almost all points presented by Aanjhan, Parth and Somyadip. So this is my point of view. I am trying to propose a solution that will be acceptable to all. Thanks for this effort Onkar. :) 2. I myself feel the need to restructure pages. Currently the broadband howto page is one of the very few pages that are in what I call 'perfect shape' and provides very good information. No offense meant for other contributors. So suggestions for restructuring are welcome. Let us use talk pages as discussion mechanism. Tuxmaniac (Aanjhan) and myself tried to do a bit of restructuring a few months ago. But we could do only small touch-ups and betterment of what we had as both of us have limited time resources these days. 3. We are using very old version of Mediawiki, 1.5. So I think it is better to look into upgrade of the software to 1.7. This will enable us to install some plugins for calendar, captcha etc. Having a calendar is the most importanmt thing now. And having a captcha mechanism will prevent bot attacks in future. G0SUB please take up this task or provide us the necessary information needed for this upgrade. Think Ghose is busy these days and he will support our efforts to upgrade the version. Anyways, get a nod from him and upgrade to latest version. 4. This is call for new contributors to try using existing infrastructure. Let's say we try it for next 6 months. If it doesn't work out then we can consider other solutions. +1. 5. Sine most of the old members are busy with their jobs and personal lives, I think it is time to pass on the admin rights to new members. We can have a meeting on this weekend on #ubuntu-in to decide who administrates what. We will have a meet to decide who does what among the new members, since we are not as free enough these days as we were. Think its time to put some responsibility of the new entrants to the team and give an opportunity for them to learn. We are always there to guide :) No a request. Let us not point fingers. It is obvious that new members don't know what are the contributions of old members. Also it is obvious that old members can not easily know the potential that new members have. :-) So lets try to work together and reduce this generation gap. :-) One point to add. The new members, please don't feel we are elders and we are egoistic of this. We are always ready to give you opportunities to learn things. What we want to see is commitment from you in the form of contribution. Remember, contribution doesn't pertain to only code, documentation, translation etc are also contributions. If you feel unhappy or uneasy about anything please feel free to talk with us, either in this mailing list or in the #ubuntu-in channel. We are open and talk things in public, rather than fuming behind privately. All the mails and points posted here have been also discussed in the irc channel and is mostly similar to what other non-speaking non-ranting members felt as well. Thanks a lot to Onkar for such a clarifying mail and explanation. Hope we take things in the positive sense from here and work together. We do not have old new discriminations, it was just to mark the difference in opinions and nothing more :) -- Parthan Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net [mobile] MAA +919840209424 BLR +919845446647 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/17/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Parth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have just one point to make - First contribute stuff into the wiki, which we consider is most important, rather than sitting to beautify the interface. We do agree to the point that we need to upgrade MediaWiki, and will be done asap! Sweetheart, adding content to website is a longterm goal. But what we are trying to attain here is a short term goal. One time excercise. Fix the navigation, define the structure for adding new content and if need work on a new look and feel. Do it once and forget for next three years. I agree with you that having new content continuously is of atmost importance but this has to happen regularly. Creating new content is should be the overall goal for next three years and restructuring is over immediate goal for next three weeks. Do i make time line difference clear ? Guys why are you working so hard on making things difficult ? As for drupal vs wiki debate, let me deploy a parellel test drupal instance and configure it with a workflow. Let it be ubuntu-india beta. We all (old members and new member :-p ) can try it out and see whether it works or not. any takers for parallel deployment of drupal (or a mixed solution) as ubuntu-in beta ? +1 for parallel deployment. Let us see how it works out. But I have no knowledge of Drupal, so you have to take it up. But navigation improvement is something should be of top priority. So please put in your suggestions in terms of improving the navigation or restructuring the *existing* content. Lets us use talk pages for discussion. Onkar -- Passion - Some people climb mountains - others write Free software. Don't ask why - the reason is the same. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/17/07, Onkar Shinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. Sine most of the old members are busy with their jobs and personal lives, I think it is time to pass on the admin rights to new members. We can have a meeting on this weekend on #ubuntu-in to decide who administrates what. Without seeing some contribution apart from the mailing list, atleast in terms of adding new content, proposing new structure for the Ubuntu-IN site, etc. the admin rights cannot be passed on which IMO is absolutely fair enough. Once the community sees contribution from a person, then the rights shall automatically be transfered :-) No need to ask! :-) Regards, -- Aanjhan -- a.k.a Tuxmaniac Locations: #ubuntu-in, #linux-india, #gnu-india @irc.freenode.net CyberHome: http://www.tuxmaniac.com -- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here are a couple of points I'll try to devote time to by this weekend: 1. I'll be upgrading Mediawiki, and enabling captcha. 2. I'll install Drupal on mekong (the server on which ubuntu-in.org is hosted). Vivek and Pratul will have full admin rights to this installation. We'll see how the combined Drupal and MediaWiki layout works out. If it clicks, that's great. If it doesn't, we'll go back to the MediaWiki site. Please keep in mind that this possibly involves a PHP version upgrade, and since mekong is a shared server, we'll have to have a chat with the sysadmins of the other LoCo Teams hosted on mekong to resolve this. So I cannot guarantee that this work will be completed by this weekend. - -- Soumyadip Modak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://soumyadip.freemind.in/blog -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFHFkqY3Fxjfllei8ARAj2jAKDikq4qgs/DBGjkAw1xFkbTQbaNhACdGWxi tpEpY9OyT7GakWcDhrYGa80= =eERN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Bhavani Shankar R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can do the book work.. Since I am still a student I have some free time.. Any supporters? Bhavani Shankar. -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in You guys took the words right out of my mouth. Ubuntu book is a good idea. i would do my bit. i am not at experienced ubuntu user but whatever i can, i shall do. nanbudh - - Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here-- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Friends, A few words on showing a learning path to a new ubuntu developer. First: For a person outside the computer field, sheer volume of things to be learned is overwhelming and one feels lost. It would be very helpful if one is told in the very beginning that to achieve xyz you would need to know at least abc and def things well and that here are a few helpful tutes on these topics. Second(this is aimed at creating a strong developer community): Leaving out some good engineering colleges, there are tens of engineering colleges all across punjab (i assume the situation is no different in other states) in which there are no good teachers and students learn almost on their own. Linux is badly taught and badly represented. For these students(mind you they are in lakhs) if we were to provide a one stop budding developer section it would not only be according to the ubuntu philosophy but would also help widen ubuntu community and help the operating system evolve. regards nanbudh - Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here.-- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
I suggest we shift to Drupal CMS, its a great community solution Pratul -- In a world without fences boundaries, who needs Gates and Windows? personal website - http://techjugaad.com/techbakwaas -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Hi, On 10/16/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiki or non-wiki is something you guys have to suggest. What is the general opinion ? Do we need a wiki ? Non-wiki or a mix of wiki and non-wiki. I am personally in favour of of a mix solution. A non-wiki for not so volatile sections like Documents, event posting etc. and a wiki for sections like tutorials, projects etc. Yes the wiki and I vote for complete wiki based site. Its easier for maintanence than having a partial wiki and partial non-wiki. I think, the Ubuntu-India Site redesign should be on re-working the theme of the site rather than only restructuring the content. One could have a look at other LoCo sites for ideas. One other thing that I would suggest is to stick with the current MediaWiki. Moving the wiki from MediaWiki engine to another would lead to several other unnecesary re doings. (*Just my two euros*) Please upload a nice site theme somewhere and send the link to the list from where we could make refinements and take it further. Feel free to argue/contradict/ appreciate :-) my PoV!! Regards, -- Aanjhan -- a.k.a Tuxmaniac Locations: #ubuntu-in, #linux-india, #gnu-india @irc.freenode.net CyberHome: http://www.tuxmaniac.com -- -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Is drupal.org not a community site? Is spreadfirefox.com not a community site ? There are plethora of examples where community websites are running on a CMS based solution. Thats not all, the MTV UK website, the NASA Jobs website and Lifestyle TV website are also on Drupal. Drupal is an excellent framework for building highly scalable websites (read: personal to massive). If Mir Nazim is on the list, Mir, I remember you once suggested re-design using Drupal? One major reason for this is horrible navigation on the website. It was during discussion with Pratul that we realized the depth of content on the site and non-navigatability of the site. You are lucky if users stayed for minute and half. I normally would leave in half a minute. Bad navigation was more of an impetus than look and feel, for me to propose this redesign. Yeah, this was the MAJOR point of the discussion. All major wiki's I have seen have nice navigation. One of my all time favorites: The OSx86 project wiki (wiki.osx86project.org) One visit, and you have all the info you require in one-look on the index page itself. IMHO we do require an overhaul, but since I have been personally attached to Drupal for quite some time, I suggested it. And yes, there is no point denying that starting up a Drupal site is a little time-consuming, but then its same for every solution. If required I can setup a demo Drupal installation on my server, where we might try out a new-look Ubuntu India. What do you say? Pratul -- In a world without fences boundaries, who needs Gates and Windows? personal website - http://techjugaad.com/techbakwaas -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/17/07, Lut4rp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO we do require an overhaul, but since I have been personally attached to Drupal for quite some time, I suggested it. And yes, there is no point denying that starting up a Drupal site is a little time-consuming, but then its same for every solution. If required I can setup a demo Drupal installation on my server, where we might try out a new-look Ubuntu India. What do you say? Server space is not taht much of a problem and there are several guys on the mailing list who are well versed with drupal. I personally would prefer a drupal based solution than a wiki based solution for a simple reason, my experience says if you apply patches to drupal site and adhere to drupal.org warning maintaining a drupal powered site is a breeze. Where as wiki has more cleanup work required because there is little control you can excercise over content going into wiki. Also, with workflow setup properly you can havea powerful collaborative content development in place. regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
My Two Cents, I tend to side with the wiki based site for certain reasons - simple, easy to edit and manage. But there are some features I will like to see in our side which am not sure how a wiki based solution might work efficiently. Example is adding events and news to the wiki. I accept this will work when the activity in the wiki is pretty good and people aren't lazy enough to post things. And I think this is why a few have been asking for CMS. I wholly agree with Soumyadip on the contribution for the wiki. We have been crying for it for almost a year now and we have not seen much response other than Roshan putting up stuffs now and then. Am afraid few of us who have been writing things have become more involved with our job that we are not able to write as we used to. This is the time and opportunity for the new entrants of the Ubuntu-In community to pitch in and contribute. I see requests piling up in the mailing list and this discussing stretching for days, but what we need is people to contribute. You are most welcomed to start a wiki page for the topic you think and add content. Post the link to the list, we will have a look and edit/suggest improvements. IIRC only pages which do not require frequent alterations have been locked (and that too after spamming happened). So nobody is stopping you from opening up new pages and writing things. For those who are trying to compare with other sites on Drupal, etc etc, IMHO we want our site to have more content in an easy accessible manner. For this, the current wiki system serves good, but we need some better organizing and presentation of resources. We do not need a flashy site with forms and what not. Lets keep things simple, easy to manage and easy for users to find what they want. -- Parthan Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net [mobile] MAA +919840209424 BLR +919845446647 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
Hi! all, Pratul and I had a long Discussion on IRC this Sunday regarding the need for redesign of ubuntu India website. I was initially working on design of newly formed Ubuntu India Forums but thanks to crashing Inkscape I could not finish the task. In the meantime Pratul suggested that we need a complete overhaul of the ubuntu India website. We have discovered that B.Ghose has created a project under Projects section which exclusively talks about Ubuntu india website redesign. So, I am inviting the members of the mailing list and Ubuntu India community to come forward and suggest us what they would like to see in the new ubuntu India website. We are looking for suggestions in terms of navigational ideas, examples from other ubuntu loco or any other distro website. Also, let us know if you would like to see any new section in the ubuntu India website. We will try our best to accommodate as many suggestion sas possible in the new design. Since we need time to implement the new design, i am setting 26th October as the cutoff date for accepting suggestions. My target is to release the new Ubuntu India website on the auspicious day of Diwali. So guys, please visit other distros websites and see the cool new and usable features we need to have on ubuntu India website. Time is running away... regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
--- nan budh wrote: lets have a newbie developer section which has detailed tutorial on how to become an ubuntu developer. i do not simply mean telling about programming languages but on specifics requirement of ubuntu/linux platform. kinda like graded steps, step 1: learn this(learn python/java), step 2:learn that (read up linux basics tute etc.), step 3: learn about gtk etc and so on and the last step: now go develop something for ubuntu. in other words clear milestones. Umm, this should be actually formulated and presented at FOSS.IN/2007 at the project day. -- http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc ubunturos @ freenode Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/16/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! all, i am setting 26th October as the cutoff date for accepting suggestions. My target is to release the new Ubuntu India website on the auspicious day of Diwali. So guys, please visit other distros websites and see the cool new and usable features we need to have on ubuntu India website. Time is running away... My two cents - [1] Please stick to the theme that we have, similar to the main ubuntu.com site. This is a way we convey that we are official loco team. [2] Main sections we need are Documents, Projects, Team Info, Events, Ubuntu (Main Project Information). [ Please no job posting or commercial endeavors ] Are you going for a non-wiki based solution ? Lets have a look at your design and decide it in the list after discussion. One thing I would like to have is a easy way to post/add events, something like a form which we can fill and post (even if the underlying this is a wiki and we can edit later). -- Parthan Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net [mobile] MAA +919840209424 BLR +919845446647 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/16/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- nan budh wrote: lets have a newbie developer section which has detailed tutorial on how to become an ubuntu developer. i do not simply mean telling about programming languages but on specifics requirement of ubuntu/linux platform. kinda like graded steps, step 1: learn this(learn python/java), step 2:learn that (read up linux basics tute etc.), step 3: learn about gtk etc and so on and the last step: now go develop something for ubuntu. in other words clear milestones. Umm, this should be actually formulated and presented at FOSS.IN/2007 at the project day. I accept that this is a good topic for presentation, but IMHO the way you move up the learning curve is something different in each individual and having a common step-wise-procedure will not prove good. The way I feel better is start using, start exploring, start discussing, keep learning. I don't suggest any one to learn anything specifically like Python or Bash or Perl, unless they have an interest in programming. For normal usage, we need to know how to use a terminal, how to Google and optionally how to use/talk in IRC (and how to use a pastebin thereby :P). There are lots of online tutorials on basic shell commands, etc. which are enough. Other things can be learned in time, my real time experience as necessity arises. Trying out beta version of Ubuntu, reporting bugs and fixing broken packages can be really a worthy experience. Trying to do source install and getting the latest versions, instead of using apt-get/synaptic can also be a good experience. No book can be better than or compensate experience. :) -- Parthan Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net [mobile] MAA +919840209424 BLR +919845446647 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
+1 Roshan.. and parthan.. Bhavani Shankar. On 10/16/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Parth wrote: I accept that this is a good topic for presentation, but IMHO the way you move up the learning curve is something different in each individual and having a common step-wise-procedure will not prove good. The way I feel better is start using, start exploring, start discussing, keep learning. Umm, I agree. However, couldn't there be just a basic framework that is really simple for /anyone/ to get started? The project day would be an important form of *_face-to-face_* interaction ultimately serving mentors to upcoming contributors. (May be this sounds too ambitious, but is a possibility). No book can be better than or compensate experience. :) However, one would always begin with a book. Be it a hard copy or an online resource. Depends on how you look at the resource as a book. -- http://www.gnu.org.in http://www.somaiya.edu/sksasc ubunturos @ freenode 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. Go to http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/16/07, Parth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My two cents - [1] Please stick to the theme that we have, similar to the main ubuntu.com site. This is a way we convey that we are official loco team. This is quite obvious. The design has to be in sync with all other ubuntu loco sites. [2] Main sections we need are Documents, Projects, Team Info, Events, Ubuntu (Main Project Information). [ Please no job posting or commercial endeavors ] Are you going for a non-wiki based solution ? Lets have a look at your design and decide it in the list after discussion. One thing I would like to have is a easy way to post/add events, something like a form which we can fill and post (even if the underlying this is a wiki and we can edit later). Wiki or non-wiki is something you guys have to suggest. What is the general opinion ? Do we need a wiki ? Non-wiki or a mix of wiki and non-wiki. I am personally in favour of of a mix solution. A non-wiki for not so volatile sections like Documents, event posting etc. and a wiki for sections like tutorials, projects etc. Yes the wiki and non-wiki need to have single sign on and Pratul can help us in having a single sign on with the forums too. Also, it is not necessary that I will do the design. Others are invited too. regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/16/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, one would always begin with a book. Be it a hard copy or an online resource. Depends on how you look at the resource as a book. Why not start writing a collaborative book on the ubuntu India website ? Any takers ? regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
I can do the book work.. Since I am still a student I have some free time.. Any supporters? Bhavani Shankar. On 10/16/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/07, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, one would always begin with a book. Be it a hard copy or an online resource. Depends on how you look at the resource as a book. Why not start writing a collaborative book on the ubuntu India website ? Any takers ? regards VK -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
On 10/16/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiki or non-wiki is something you guys have to suggest. What is the general opinion ? Do we need a wiki ? Non-wiki or a mix of wiki and non-wiki. I am personally in favour of of a mix solution. A non-wiki for not so volatile sections like Documents, event posting etc. and a wiki for sections like tutorials, projects etc. Yes the wiki and non-wiki need to have single sign on and Pratul can help us in having a single sign on with the forums too. Also, it is not necessary that I will do the design. Others are invited too. I will also suggest a partial wiki-nonwiki based web site. We can have it wiki based in places where we favor collaborative content such as documentation, tutorials, project page, etc. For posting events we can have a form based solution where the user fills the form and posts the event, it appears on the Event page. Wiki :: Non-wiki all have to part of the ubuntu-in site from outside. Non-wiki parts are just some Pages in the web-site which is otherwise wiki based. Is this possible ? -- Parthan Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net [mobile] MAA +919840209424 BLR +919845446647 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] ubuntu India website redesign
+1 Parthan.. I can do the documentation job if any.. On 10/16/07, Parth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/07, Vivek Khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiki or non-wiki is something you guys have to suggest. What is the general opinion ? Do we need a wiki ? Non-wiki or a mix of wiki and non-wiki. I am personally in favour of of a mix solution. A non-wiki for not so volatile sections like Documents, event posting etc. and a wiki for sections like tutorials, projects etc. Yes the wiki and non-wiki need to have single sign on and Pratul can help us in having a single sign on with the forums too. Also, it is not necessary that I will do the design. Others are invited too. I will also suggest a partial wiki-nonwiki based web site. We can have it wiki based in places where we favor collaborative content such as documentation, tutorials, project page, etc. For posting events we can have a form based solution where the user fills the form and posts the event, it appears on the Event page. Wiki :: Non-wiki all have to part of the ubuntu-in site from outside. Non-wiki parts are just some Pages in the web-site which is otherwise wiki based. Is this possible ? -- Parthan Technofreak [web] http://technofreak.in [irc] teKnofreak @ irc.freenode.net [mobile] MAA +919840209424 BLR +919845446647 -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
