Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan
 wrote:
> Read it through Hacker News pointing to
> http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/microsoft-switch-from-ie-and-your-risk-increases-664429

exactly , it not the bbc link
>
> Its TechRadar, so I thought it to be legitimate. Quoting from that
> article about firefox:
> """
> Less secure
> "The net effect of switching [from IE] is that you will end up on less
> secure browser," insisted Evans (Microsoft's UK security chief ).
>

and this says the whole story of course M$ security chief is never
going too say move to another browser - its his word against what two
countries have said openly..

> "The risk [over this specific] exploit is minimal compared to Firefox
> or other competing browsers… you will be opening yourself up to
> security issues.
>
> "There are broader risks and issues with other browsers."
 and of course he has no specifics does he ?? what vulnerabilities
exist that have made countries issue a statement saying don't use
opera, firefox safari etc. Zilch

techradar may be credible, but M$ security chief's credibility should
be in doubt.

ram

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM, ranjan das gupta  wrote:
> people i understand none of us on this forum like windows obviously but let
> us not make it an ant--windows session. i smell so much of hatred here.We
> have to keep our attitude right.We love linux  that is the bottomline

I like Windows. They do have some very interesting features. I love
the windows 7's new organizing features. It makes good sense.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan]

>
> > They also said that moving to another browser like Firefox will make you
> > more vulnerable and MS IE is still the most secure browser. '"Its just one
> > flaw"".
>
> Ok to clarify - are you reading this link from india because some time
> back i had a flame war with some reading the same link from two
> different countries and the contents were slightly different.
>
> No where in the article do they say that using another browser like FF
> will make them more vulnerable. what they did exactly say was
> Start Quote
> "One thing that should be stressed is that every browser has its
> security issues, so switching may remove this current risk but could
> expose you to another."
> end quote
>
> ram
>


Read it through Hacker News pointing to
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/microsoft-switch-from-ie-and-your-risk-increases-664429

Its TechRadar, so I thought it to be legitimate. Quoting from that
article about firefox:
"""
Less secure
"The net effect of switching [from IE] is that you will end up on less
secure browser," insisted Evans (Microsoft's UK security chief ).

"The risk [over this specific] exploit is minimal compared to Firefox
or other competing browsers… you will be opening yourself up to
security issues.

"There are broader risks and issues with other browsers."



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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM, ranjan das gupta  wrote:
> people i understand none of us on this forum like windows obviously but let
> us not make it an ant--windows session. i smell so much of hatred here.We
> have to keep our attitude right.We love linux  that is the bottomline

two grouses
 top posting means god only knows what your are referring to

Second - i think you need to distinguish between puns, humor & poking
fun and hatred, let me say i don't think you know what hatred really
is.


Finally I did not invent the M$ vulnerability or the news but i am
quite pleased to be a bit (note a bit) safe and not have to worry
about virus updates or outdated virus software.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Amarendra Kumar]

Hey what about UID? More than a billion unique identities!!
How much money can be saved if FOSS products are used for this ( add
security as a bonus)!!

I am planning for an RTI then, but first I will check if it's not already
there.

And yes, please don't make this an anti-anything or hate forum. Better
refrain from getting into a discussion relating to the stuff you hate.

Cheers!!

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:05 PM, ranjan das gupta wrote:

> people i understand none of us on this forum like windows obviously but let
> us not make it an ant--windows session. i smell so much of hatred here.We
> have to keep our attitude right.We love linux  that is the bottomline
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan
>>  wrote:
>> > And also the CAT examinations last year which were completely ruined
>> because
>> > of a Widows virus. And I don't know if this is entirely true, but I
>> heard
>> > from a good programmer that the virus was more prone to unauthorized
>> cracked
>> > versions of Windows. Kudos to commercial software.
>> >
>> and this is supposed to me a multi million dollar contract to conduct
>> online elections, am sure any LUG could have pulled it off with less
>> hassle.
>>
>> And wonder if the "widows" is intentional - that sounds like a tag
>> line - "M$ Widows use it and die" die a cruel painful death ;-)
>>
>>
>> >> 2. German government warns against using MS Explorer
>> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
>> >> snippet "Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users
>> >> was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would
>> >> prevent any serious risk.However, German authorities say that even
>> >> this would not make IE fully safe. "
>> >>
>> >
>> > They also said that moving to another browser like Firefox will make you
>> > more vulnerable and MS IE is still the most secure browser. '"Its just
>> one
>> > flaw"".
>>
>> Ok to clarify - are you reading this link from india because some time
>> back i had a flame war with some reading the same link from two
>> different countries and the contents were slightly different.
>>
>> No where in the article do they say that using another browser like FF
>> will make them more vulnerable. what they did exactly say was
>> Start Quote
>> "One thing that should be stressed is that every browser has its
>> security issues, so switching may remove this current risk but could
>> expose you to another."
>> end quote
>>
>> and one must remember that the flaws are a combination of browser and
>> OS - yeah linx has its flaws but not with the same regularity and
>> implications as on m$ widows
>>
>> ram
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[ranjan das gupta]

people i understand none of us on this forum like windows obviously but let
us not make it an ant--windows session. i smell so much of hatred here.We
have to keep our attitude right.We love linux  that is the bottomline

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan
>  wrote:
> > And also the CAT examinations last year which were completely ruined
> because
> > of a Widows virus. And I don't know if this is entirely true, but I heard
> > from a good programmer that the virus was more prone to unauthorized
> cracked
> > versions of Windows. Kudos to commercial software.
> >
> and this is supposed to me a multi million dollar contract to conduct
> online elections, am sure any LUG could have pulled it off with less
> hassle.
>
> And wonder if the "widows" is intentional - that sounds like a tag
> line - "M$ Widows use it and die" die a cruel painful death ;-)
>
>
> >> 2. German government warns against using MS Explorer
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
> >> snippet "Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users
> >> was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would
> >> prevent any serious risk.However, German authorities say that even
> >> this would not make IE fully safe. "
> >>
> >
> > They also said that moving to another browser like Firefox will make you
> > more vulnerable and MS IE is still the most secure browser. '"Its just
> one
> > flaw"".
>
> Ok to clarify - are you reading this link from india because some time
> back i had a flame war with some reading the same link from two
> different countries and the contents were slightly different.
>
> No where in the article do they say that using another browser like FF
> will make them more vulnerable. what they did exactly say was
> Start Quote
> "One thing that should be stressed is that every browser has its
> security issues, so switching may remove this current risk but could
> expose you to another."
> end quote
>
> and one must remember that the flaws are a combination of browser and
> OS - yeah linx has its flaws but not with the same regularity and
> implications as on m$ widows
>
> ram
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ramnarayan.K]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan
 wrote:
> And also the CAT examinations last year which were completely ruined because
> of a Widows virus. And I don't know if this is entirely true, but I heard
> from a good programmer that the virus was more prone to unauthorized cracked
> versions of Windows. Kudos to commercial software.
>
and this is supposed to me a multi million dollar contract to conduct
online elections, am sure any LUG could have pulled it off with less
hassle.

And wonder if the "widows" is intentional - that sounds like a tag
line - "M$ Widows use it and die" die a cruel painful death ;-)


>> 2. German government warns against using MS Explorer
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
>> snippet "Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users
>> was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would
>> prevent any serious risk.However, German authorities say that even
>> this would not make IE fully safe. "
>>
>
> They also said that moving to another browser like Firefox will make you
> more vulnerable and MS IE is still the most secure browser. '"Its just one
> flaw"".

Ok to clarify - are you reading this link from india because some time
back i had a flame war with some reading the same link from two
different countries and the contents were slightly different.

No where in the article do they say that using another browser like FF
will make them more vulnerable. what they did exactly say was
Start Quote
"One thing that should be stressed is that every browser has its
security issues, so switching may remove this current risk but could
expose you to another."
end quote

and one must remember that the flaws are a combination of browser and
OS - yeah linx has its flaws but not with the same regularity and
implications as on m$ widows

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ashutosh Rishi Ranjan]

And also the CAT examinations last year which were completely ruined because
of a Widows virus. And I don't know if this is entirely true, but I heard
from a good programmer that the virus was more prone to unauthorized cracked
versions of Windows. Kudos to commercial software.

Windows is good. Its not a bad operating system at all. Especially Windows
7. I finally dual-booted with Windows 7 (because I got it as a gift, and
because I got a new computer with good graphics which could play my dream
games) and was fairly impressed with everything. But then the reason why
linux was secure began to become apparent again. Windows had pushed to far
into being 'user-friendly' and in this process instead of being a friend to
the user it was more of an 'idiot-proof' operating system. A very clear 'bad
security' example is that the administrative privileges. You can delete any
number of Windows system files without any use of a password. You can never
do that in any Linux distros, take the example of our awesome Ubuntu. This
is just a basic example of Linux being more secure.

The second being open source. I read this awesome article about how a black
hat hacker would try to make a virus. He has the whole code in front of him,
but so do the ten thousand programmers. He tries to find a flaw to exploit,
thousands find that same flaw and write the fix overnight.  Go Open Source!

Being open source also ensures that the product goes through rigorous
testing before being deemed as stable. Its so cool the way it works.

2. German government warns against using MS Explorer
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
> snippet "Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users
> was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would
> prevent any serious risk.However, German authorities say that even
> this would not make IE fully safe. "
>
>
They also said that moving to another browser like Firefox will make you
more vulnerable and MS IE is still the most secure browser. '"Its just one
flaw"".
See, thats the thing they just use the people like Mark Antony in Julius
Caesar (just felt like mentioning this). Most people will still trust
Microsoft because they are the most popular. And Microsoft uses this to
propagate their products and defame linux and other competitions so that
they stay on the top as opposed to working hard to fix problems to stay on
the top.
As much as Apple's policies are against Linux and other things I believe in,
they give me other reasons to absolutely love them whereas Microsoft does
not.

Just hope that big companies start developing linux versions too. Even if
they are commercial like games. It will help Ubuntu to grow.
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Jkhatri]

On 01/19/2010 11:12 AM, Ravi Kumar wrote:
> Hey Ram,
>
> First of all, nothing is secure - this is the key.
>
> No Idea what MS IE 8 has in terms of security.
> But I totally agree with you, India is not really geared towards 
> progress in atleast IT. Politicians, who are just about to die like a 
> over-ripped mangoes on tree, who never used computer decide the thing. 
> Also, many times I got the impression that the person in power to 
> decide/sign these govt implementations in IT are just influenced by 
> who is the repr, and what dream are shown to their eye$$.
>
> Almost all the things that are any-way directly connected to Govt lacks:
>
> * Proper Implementation
> * Even Half completion
> * No creativity
> * ... too many, i am running out of time.
>
>
> Indian Govt needs some fresh people. From different professions. Not 
> for administration, but to suggest them and show them the mighty 
> light. Well, what we can do, just wait, wait and wait till these 
> mangoes just drop off th tree.
> They invest $ for MS Office package. Why they don't use OOo, maybe 
> they don't know. They don't trust. OOo.org can't pay hefty sum to the 
> decision maker in govt body. Jyotish-shastra predicted not to use the 
> Office package brand starting with O.
>
> They spent on products, whereas they should have invested in research 
> and implmentation for a secure environment and data storage using 
> Opensource.
> You may not be knowing, most govt controlled/attached/funded centers 
> use MS Word to create their webpage, and they just host. :) This just 
> get me pissed on even thinking about it. But hey, India is great and 
> will be a SuperPower in next 15 years. That is what they are busy 
> calculating.
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Ramnarayan.K  > wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> couldn't resist have a laugh about who all are vulnerable to various
> M$ based vulneabilities
>
> 1. China tried to hack our computers: MK Narayanan
> 
> http://news.oneindia.in/2010/01/18/china-tried-to-hack-our-computers-nsa-mk-narayan.html
> Snippet "The hackers reportedly launched an attack using a 'Trojan'
> virus in order to access the computer remotely and download of delete
> files".
>
> Trust india's most sensitive stuff to not just be vulnerable to
> virus's attacks , guess they won't ever learn, that there are better
> ways than M$ to use computers and be relatively safe without much
> effort.
>
> 2. German government warns against using MS Explorer
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
> snippet "Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users
> was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would
> prevent any serious risk.However, German authorities say that even
> this would not make IE fully safe. "
>
> Finally the icing on the cake even the french are
> 3. France joins Germany warning against Internet Explorer
> snippet Certa, a government agency that oversees cyber threats, warned
> against using all versions of the web browser"
>
> the the MS guys make a joke "But Microsoft told BBC News that IE8 was
> the "most secure browser on the market" and people should upgrade. "
>
> **
> wow what fking arrogance first you allow people to get vulnerable
> and then tell them to buy / get yet another piece of shit.
>
>
> anyways good to know that some of us atleast sleep peacefully at night
> and our worries are not about is my data safe
>
> So Linuxeros and Ubunteros i think we have earned the right to
> gloat a bit ;-)
>
> ram
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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ramnarayan.K]

Hi Ravi

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Ravi Kumar  wrote:
> Hey Ram,
>
> First of all, nothing is secure - this is the key.

Yep, but the difference is in, as an example, having a home full of
open windows and doors and by default not even having locks [aka M$
;-) ] or having a ready made secure home and then leaving it up to you
to start to leave things unlocked (Linux)

The new M$ mantra is "life without walls" tfm* - what they really mean
is life within a gilded cage and you pay for the gold and the cage.

tfm = trade Effing mark

> No Idea what MS IE 8 has in terms of security.
> But I totally agree with you, India is not really geared towards progress in
> atleast IT. Politicians, who are just about to die like a over-ripped
> mangoes on tree,
> They invest $ for MS Office package. Why they don't use OOo, maybe they
> don't know. They don't trust. OOo.org can't pay hefty sum to the decision
> maker in govt body. Jyotish-shastra predicted not to use the Office package
> brand starting with O.

you hit the moon on the start ;-)

jyokish cashtra is what it is.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] Gloat Gloat

[Ravi Kumar]

Hey Ram,

First of all, nothing is secure - this is the key.

No Idea what MS IE 8 has in terms of security.
But I totally agree with you, India is not really geared towards progress in
atleast IT. Politicians, who are just about to die like a over-ripped
mangoes on tree, who never used computer decide the thing. Also, many times
I got the impression that the person in power to decide/sign these govt
implementations in IT are just influenced by who is the repr, and what dream
are shown to their eye$$.

Almost all the things that are any-way directly connected to Govt lacks:

   - Proper Implementation
   - Even Half completion
   - No creativity
   - ... too many, i am running out of time.


Indian Govt needs some fresh people. From different professions. Not for
administration, but to suggest them and show them the mighty light. Well,
what we can do, just wait, wait and wait till these mangoes just drop off th
tree.
They invest $ for MS Office package. Why they don't use OOo, maybe they
don't know. They don't trust. OOo.org can't pay hefty sum to the decision
maker in govt body. Jyotish-shastra predicted not to use the Office package
brand starting with O.

They spent on products, whereas they should have invested in research and
implmentation for a secure environment and data storage using Opensource.
You may not be knowing, most govt controlled/attached/funded centers use MS
Word to create their webpage, and they just host. :) This just get me pissed
on even thinking about it. But hey, India is great and will be a SuperPower
in next 15 years. That is what they are busy calculating.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Ramnarayan.K wrote:

> Hi
>
> couldn't resist have a laugh about who all are vulnerable to various
> M$ based vulneabilities
>
> 1. China tried to hack our computers: MK Narayanan
>
> http://news.oneindia.in/2010/01/18/china-tried-to-hack-our-computers-nsa-mk-narayan.html
> Snippet "The hackers reportedly launched an attack using a 'Trojan'
> virus in order to access the computer remotely and download of delete
> files".
>
> Trust india's most sensitive stuff to not just be vulnerable to
> virus's attacks , guess they won't ever learn, that there are better
> ways than M$ to use computers and be relatively safe without much
> effort.
>
> 2. German government warns against using MS Explorer
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
> snippet "Microsoft rejected the warning, saying that the risk to users
> was low and that the browsers' increased security setting would
> prevent any serious risk.However, German authorities say that even
> this would not make IE fully safe. "
>
> Finally the icing on the cake even the french are
> 3. France joins Germany warning against Internet Explorer
> snippet Certa, a government agency that oversees cyber threats, warned
> against using all versions of the web browser"
>
> the the MS guys make a joke "But Microsoft told BBC News that IE8 was
> the "most secure browser on the market" and people should upgrade. "
>
> **
> wow what fking arrogance first you allow people to get vulnerable
> and then tell them to buy / get yet another piece of shit.
>
>
> anyways good to know that some of us atleast sleep peacefully at night
> and our worries are not about is my data safe
>
> So Linuxeros and Ubunteros i think we have earned the right to gloat a bit
> ;-)
>
> ram
>
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