Re: Making Music with FOSS
Hi, I tried this, but no luck. The WebEx .arf Player got installed correctly under Wine, and it says Network Recording Player Version 2.17.1, but when I try to open the file Making Music with FOSS.arf, it complains with Unknown file format. You may update your Network Recording Player and try again. Anyone else got that? (I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and Wine 1.2.2). wrong Network Recording Player version. With version 2.23 it is just fine. Cheers, Ángel de Vicente -- http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ High Performance Computing Support PostDoc Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias - ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protecci�n de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 09:50 +0100, Angel de Vicente wrote:
Hi,
On 23/04/11 21:16, Seattle Chaz wrote:
Last week, opensource.com hosted a web-cast, Making Music with FOSS. I
missed it, but I was confident that the media would be archived, which
is indeed the case. However, the media file is in the proprietary .arf
format from WebEx. Though I searched extensively, I was unable to locate
a method for converting the file to a more usable form.
Of course, I COULD just view the materials on-line, but where's the fun
in that? The download-able media player supports only Windows and Mac. I
was about to hold my nose and install the player when I was inspired to
attempt a Wine installation. I downloaded the WebEx .arf Player, set the
executable permission on the .msi file and booted it under Wine. Wine
happily took it and installed it and the downloaded media played without
a hiccup.
Web-cast:
http://opensource.com/business/11/4/today-making-music-foss-webcast-2-pm-est
Webcast Playback:
https://jboss.webex.com/ec0605lc/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecordactname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.doapiname=lsr.phprenewticket=0renewticket=0actappname=ec0605lcentappname=url0107lcneedFilter=falseisurlact=trueentactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.dorID=38196012rKey=c2223d52c482e824recordID=38196012rnd=8047439081siteurl=jbossSP=ECAT=pbformat=short
https://jboss.webex.com/ec0605lc/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecordactname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.doapiname=lsr.phprenewticket=0renewticket=0actappname=ec0605lcentappname=url0107lcneedFilter=falseisurlact=trueentactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.dorID=38196012rKey=c2223d52c482e824recordID=38196012rnd=8047439081siteurl=jbossSP=ECAT=pbformat=short
WebEx Player: http://www.webex.com/play-webex-recording.html
I tried this, but no luck. The WebEx .arf Player got installed correctly
under Wine, and it says Network Recording Player Version 2.17.1, but
when I try to open the file Making Music with FOSS.arf, it complains
with Unknown file format. You may update your Network Recording Player
and try again. Anyone else got that? (I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 and Wine
1.2.2).
Cheers,
Ángel de Vicente
Hi Angel :)
are you sure that this Windows Media Player does provide all codecs and
container formats itself? Perhaps it expect that Windows provides some
proprietary codecs and container formats, that can't be provided by
Wine. I guess you need to add some codecs and/or container libraries to
Wine.
Just 2 cents: I wonder that an open source platform is using a
proprietary format. And I wonder about the sentences Ardour is free
software released under the GPL, but it's not entirely free-as-in-beer.
For the full version (which adds the ability to load or save AU plugin
settings), you're asked to donate any amount you feel is appropriate.
(The default recommendation on the donation page is $45.) AU plugins
are a proprietary format too, hence this guy from RedHat is making music
with a combination of FLOSS and proprietary stuff ;)? He can't share
what he's doing with people who don't use this kind of proprietary
thingy :D.
/)/)
=(';')=
..().()... Happy Easter!
Ralf
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Re: Making Music with FOSS
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:08 +0100, Angel de Vicente wrote: wrong Network Recording Player version. With version 2.23 it is just fine. For people (not me), who wish to watch .arf files too, did you get this version by the link at http://www.webex.com/play-webex-recording.html ? Oops, I guess I blamed the RedHat guy, but it's a woman from RedHad writing about 'Ardour - proprietary_plugins = not_a_full_version_of_Ardour'. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS
Hi all, On 23/04/11 21:16, Seattle Chaz wrote: Last week, opensource.com hosted a web-cast, Making Music with FOSS. I missed it, but I was confident that the media would be archived, which is indeed the case. However, the media file is in the proprietary .arf format from WebEx. Though I searched extensively, I was unable to locate a method for converting the file to a more usable form. Of course, I COULD just view the materials on-line, but where's the fun in that? The download-able media player supports only Windows and Mac. I was about to hold my nose and install the player when I was inspired to attempt a Wine installation. I downloaded the WebEx .arf Player, set the executable permission on the .msi file and booted it under Wine. Wine happily took it and installed it and the downloaded media played without a hiccup. Web-cast: http://opensource.com/business/11/4/today-making-music-foss-webcast-2-pm-est Webcast Playback: https://jboss.webex.com/ec0605lc/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecordactname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.doapiname=lsr.phprenewticket=0renewticket=0actappname=ec0605lcentappname=url0107lcneedFilter=falseisurlact=trueentactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.dorID=38196012rKey=c2223d52c482e824recordID=38196012rnd=8047439081siteurl=jbossSP=ECAT=pbformat=short WebEx Player: http://www.webex.com/play-webex-recording.html I'd like to watch the webcast too. But hang on a second folks, we're free software advocates, aren't we? So why are we trying to find work-arounds, when the problem is that a webcast about free software should have been published in a free format? Surely it would make more sense for us, as a group, to say to the publisher something like, This is no good, please can you find a way of publishing that meets the needs of your target audience, as this clearly doesn't. Would anyone care to join me in this? Mark -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS
Hi, On 25/04/11 10:40, Ralf wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:08 +0100, Angel de Vicente wrote: wrong Network Recording Player version. With version 2.23 it is just fine. For people (not me), who wish to watch .arf files too, did you get this version by the link at http://www.webex.com/play-webex-recording.html ? no, following that link I got the older version. To get 2.23 I followed a link that I don't remember where it was, but that appeared on the page where you can download the actual .arf webcast file (but now I don't see it). In any case, while playing it I recorded it to another format, so if someone is interested (and it is OK with Adam and the organizers) I can upload it to Vimeo (or such). Cheers, Ángel de Vicente -- http://www.iac.es/galeria/angelv/ High Performance Computing Support PostDoc Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias - ADVERTENCIA: Sobre la privacidad y cumplimiento de la Ley de Protección de Datos, acceda a http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php WARNING: For more information on privacy and fulfilment of the Law concerning the Protection of Data, consult http://www.iac.es/disclaimer.php?lang=en -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS
Am 25.04.2011 11:40, schrieb Ralf: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:08 +0100, Angel de Vicente wrote: wrong Network Recording Player version. With version 2.23 it is just fine. For people (not me), who wish to watch .arf files too, did you get this version by the link at http://www.webex.com/play-webex-recording.html ? Oops, I guess I blamed the RedHat guy, but it's a woman from RedHad writing about 'Ardour - proprietary_plugins = not_a_full_version_of_Ardour'. Sorry, I cannot find the original article -- do you have a link to it by any chance :-) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Re: Making Music with FOSS
On Apr 25, 2011 3:41pm, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.de wrote: Am 25.04.2011 11:40, schrieb Ralf: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 10:08 +0100, Angel de Vicente wrote: wrong Network Recording Player version. With version 2.23 it is just fine. For people (not me), who wish to watch .arf files too, did you get this version by the link at http://www.webex.com/play-webex-recording.html ? Oops, I guess I blamed the RedHat guy, but it's a woman from RedHad writing about 'Ardour - proprietary_plugins = not_a_full_version_of_Ardour'. Sorry, I cannot find the original article -- do you have a link to it by any chance :-) -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users Hartmut, http://opensource.com/business/11/4/today-making-music-foss-webcast-2-pm-est It's the last paragraph under the Ardour section. ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
re: Making Music with FOSS
I'd like to watch the webcast too. But hang on a second folks, we're free software advocates, aren't we? So why are we trying to find work-around, when the problem is that a webcast about free software should have been published in a free format? Surely it would make more sense for us, as a group, to say to the publisher something like, This is no good, please can you find a way of publishing that meets the needs of your target audience, as this clearly doesn't. Would anyone care to join me in this? Mark Mark: Point well-taken. I was and remain irritated that the media was not archived in a FOSS format, but I put that aside as I was more concerned with consuming the media. I supposed I've grudgingly accepted that some media distributors will premier their content in proprietary format then later release it in a more FOSS friendly container. I notice that the excellent Digital Media Primer for Geeks was released in multiple formats, and I would have expected the Making Music with FOSS sponsors to do the same. Certainly, it is feasible. http://xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml I agree that this issue should be brought up (again!) to the powers that be. I would happily co-sign a letter of concern if we can identify a specific point of contact. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS + OT: Ardour might be able to be a host for MacOS plugins, e.g. a Vocoder
Hi Hartmut :) I guess it's a faux pas to write about FLOSS with the opinion that an app isn't a full version, without supporting proprietary plugins. And of cause it's a faux pas to use a seldom used codec/container for the web-cast about FLOSS. But regarding to a main target group that isn't using FLOSS, a common proprietary codec seems to be wise. To produce music, it also can't harm to provide all plugin formats for Linux hosts, assumed they are really stable on Linux too, because there's too much missing for Linux. Now I'm 44 years old and don't like auto-tune, but I guess the kids do need auto-tune since there is not one song in the charts not using it. What I do like is this portamento-pitch-bend-effect they do use for every song in the charts (seldom the way they use it), perhaps auto-tune too? Or one of those modern virtual synth? If we need an arp arpeggiator (step-sequencer) or a chorus singing our lyrics, a real orchestra etc. we can't use Linux plugins or virtual Linux stand-alone synth. I'm using Linux only, but I'm really missing those plugins, especially because it's hard to use external MIDI equipment, regarding to the jitter issue. I'm also not fine with recording vocals and guitars, regarding to sound quality issues and latency that can't be compensated properly, when using my favourite Linux sequencer. So, yes, I do agree that this article and the codec issue are a faux pas, but I also do understand that people wish to have proprietary extensions when using FLOSS. On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 22:41 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: Am 25.04.2011 11:40, schrieb Ralf: Oops, I guess I blamed the RedHat guy, but it's a woman from RedHad writing about 'Ardour - proprietary_plugins = not_a_full_version_of_Ardour'. Sorry, I cannot find the original article -- do you have a link to it by any chance :-) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/2011-April/007529.html -- Web-cast: http://opensource.com/business/11/4/today-making-music-foss-webcast-2-pm-est -- Recap: Making music with FOSS webcast with Adam Drew Posted 20 Apr 2011 by Ruth Suehle (Red Hat) [snip] JACK [snip] Hydrogen [snip] Rakarrack [snip] ZynAddSubFX [snip] Ardour [snip] Ardour is free software released under the GPL, but it's not entirely free-as-in-beer. For the full version (which adds the ability to load or save AU plugin settings), you're asked to donate any amount you feel is appropriate. (The default recommendation on the donation page is $45.) Getting help These are just five of the hundreds of audio packages you have to choose from for nearly any music project you could imagine. Adam recommends two really helpful and active online communities with IRC channels on the Freenode network: #opensourcemusicians (which has a podshow about open source audio) and #ubuntustudio, which has a very active mailing list and is growing. His nick is holstein--feel free to say hello. [snip] (https://opensource.com/users/suehle she's of cause a good looking rock star. I didn't read the whole article ;) OT: This reminds me to cross-post this email, because, IIRC, somebody wishes to use a Mac Vocoder, because there are no good Linux Vocoders for his needs (he tried not to do 'vocal classics', that can be easily done by using the VocProc LV2, but to manipulate music completely, which only is possible with Windows VSTs and MacOS plugins, btw. regular vocoders on Linux aren't ok here, I'm using VocProc for vocals and it's working like a charm for this usage, but indeed, there's no real modern vocoder for Linux. Windows VSTs on Linux, well, people might be sensitive for jitter, latency etc. or they are comfortable with using Wineasio and complete loss of musical timing and sync. This depends to the kind of musician using Linux + Wineasio ;). And by the way, Qtractor and other apps should start to switch to JACK MIDI, since JACK2 from svn seems to be nearly without jitter, when using the new ALSArawMIDIbridge to control external equipment. I just run the latency test and didn't test real instruments until now. Best, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 23:14 +0200, Hartmut Noack wrote: *Every* given website should use formats available to eveybody on any computer for stuff as simple as audio/video. It is extra-crude of course, if somebody talks about free software and tries to do so using formats that are not natively available on a Linux-PC. IMO codecs should be lossless too, so FLAC might be ok, OTOH the internet isn't fast all the times ;). What you and I guess has less to do with consumption. It's a business to sell PCs + accessories. Hm? Video codecs for the C64? Atari ST? There's business and if the Internet can be used with Windows and Apple it's ok for this capitalistic planet. The target group of this webcast might not have FLOSS codecs ;). Please Ralf, could you elborate on that? You cannot use Ardour as an Apple plugin host on Linux and there is no such thing. Ardour *compiled for MacOSX* can host Audio Unit plugins - as it runs under MacOSX. I didn't know this, I just read the article's paragraph about Ardour and I wondered about this AND I don't agree with Ruth. not a full version of Ardour for Linux? Everybody who wants to know, knows, that Ardour for Linux is free as in beer also as it is available as a native package for most distros. There is a special offering from ardour.org for users of MacOSX, that do not want to take the complicated task of compiling Ardour on the Mac from source. It is a ready-to-run binary for MacOSX. If you want this, you need to make a donation (that is 1:1 in compliance with the GPL, we talk about a fee for a special comfort/service in the distribution of a software, not about any proprietary licensing). Whoever wants ardour without payment for MacOSX, can still download a binary. This one will deliberately fail to save settings for AU-plugins. And everybody on the Mac who wants everything whithout spending any money is still welcome to download and compile the source-codes, that are of course available for everybody without any registration, pop-ups or anything: svn co http://subversion.ardour.org/svn/ardour2/branches/2.0-ongoing Perhaps it's not about Linux, FLOSS is for Windows and Mac too and if this kind of open source community is using MacOs and Windows, beside e.g. RedHat Linux and .arf should be a common format there, why shouldn't they use it? Because, if I want to distribute something, accessability for as many users as possible is priority No1. Yes, and Linux users are a minority. Microsoft and Apple are used by the masses + 100 of illegal installed application they never ever do need. I do agree with you, but I also do understand that people don't care about Linux users who won't install proprietary stuff. Regarding to this, I'm just pissed about the 'everything is better using FLOSS, but proprietary stuff' attitude, by people who don't use FLOSS stuff only. Private I do use FLOSS only, excepted of the graphics driver and similar, but for making music FLOSS is far away of being just nearly as good as proprietary software, regarding to technical issues It depends on what you want to do with it. Everything, that works the way you want for the things you want to do, is perfect. ProTools can do many things, you cannot do in Ardour but if you do not need these things, this is irrelevant. This is what I mean with the difference between consumers and producers. You also must be able to work quick and to be able to restore a production without any issue. ... -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Making Music with FOSS + OT: Ardour might be able to be a host for MacOS plugins, e.g. a Vocoder
Oops, this effect they use for synth, not for vocals, don't get me wrong: What I do like is this portamento-pitch-bend-effect they do use for every song in the charts (seldom the way they use it), perhaps auto-tune too? I anyway would use it different. And, Ardour for Linux seems not to be able to be a OsX plugin host. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
