Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
I haven't seen the "user friendliness" discussion on Blender, but one senses similar feelings on Gimp discussions and elsewhere. The thing is that "ease of use" and "ease of learning" are not only not the same thing, but they tend to be mutually exclusive. On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:24 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote: > Hi Gord! > While i believe Mike Holstein and Kaj Ailomaa answer your question. I > think i see what you are talking about this time. :) > I believe there is a similar discussion ignited by Anrew Price in the > blender community: User Friendliness. > > I know this is a delicate issue, because it's a very hard thing to > accomplish and also because in many ways it stands on a harsh line between > 2 scenarios: > > 1. If everything becomes easy. Then the interest for exploration may > vanish. > This scenario is not good for future development. > > 2.If everything is hard, less people get involved. > This scenario is not good for the expansion of the user-base. > > These 2 aspects meet is: > The user-base creates the development. > > In these aspects, i think ubuntustudio is very good at balancing this > line. And i want to encourage them in keeping the focus they have shown > until now. Still, i hope your email will echo in a constructive phase. > > yours, > Set > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > >> On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:35 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: >> > $ sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER >> > That's it :) >> >> After adding a user to a group, there's the need to log out and in >> before it takes effect. >> >> >> >> -- >> ubuntu-studio-users mailing list >> ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users >> > > > > -- > Set Hallström > AKA > reSet Sakrecoer > http://sakrecoer.com > > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Gord L Williams > wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> I have had reaction to some comments I have made, and I have to say >> everyone has acted in a very gentile manner. Its good when we have >> manners and can express our thought. Perhaps thats why we are hear rather >> than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device. >> >> My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between >> desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware. Unity >> anyone? Gnome? - I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I >> will call, dancing people, with a desktop that has a beat, for them. >> "Its cool and I can dance to it." to get American Bandstand about it. >> >> I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone. I think most of >> you got that, but apparently some people read things sideways. You can >> expect that, if you make statements. Probably why I will never be in >> politics. >> >> If it was a perfect world, any distribution would be the same in intent, >> regardless of desktop, meaning menus and software would be the same. In >> my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy, which of course you can say >> the prospects are looking up for. Wait the big jokes come later >> >> I see this as an advantage over dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell >> us what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy >> as having interest groups modify based on available software, they choose >> semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now, and truly >> FOSS. But that may not be the desire. >> >> Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio. No knocks at all. I >> do not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons. The >> setups and the bookings take time, and your a number is one reason. I >> have recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the >> talent for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous. Sitting on the stool >> talking into a $3000 microphone is a kick, but doesn't bring it home >> economically. Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the >> price. >> >> I have alway been about bringing that cost down, and very Ubuntu about >> what I do. "If a traveler wanders into a village, the village will see to >> his needs without a thought as to what they need." I believe Nelson >> Mandella close enough. >> >> My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a >> photographer, graphic artist, and media producer, the world will be >> better. If the distribution fits more people, if they can make sense of >> it without a huge learning curve and yes, if they can dance around the >> open box, so to speak, as humans tend to do then maybe we have something. >> We have something, not just the geeks that watch their machine >> efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights. Thats already >> there, enjoy your command line. >> >> Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting, and there are >> reasons and excuses not to move forward on it.
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
Hi Gord! While i believe Mike Holstein and Kaj Ailomaa answer your question. I think i see what you are talking about this time. :) I believe there is a similar discussion ignited by Anrew Price in the blender community: User Friendliness. I know this is a delicate issue, because it's a very hard thing to accomplish and also because in many ways it stands on a harsh line between 2 scenarios: 1. If everything becomes easy. Then the interest for exploration may vanish. This scenario is not good for future development. 2.If everything is hard, less people get involved. This scenario is not good for the expansion of the user-base. These 2 aspects meet is: The user-base creates the development. In these aspects, i think ubuntustudio is very good at balancing this line. And i want to encourage them in keeping the focus they have shown until now. Still, i hope your email will echo in a constructive phase. yours, Set On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:35 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > > $ sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER > > That's it :) > > After adding a user to a group, there's the need to log out and in > before it takes effect. > > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users > -- Set Hallström AKA reSet Sakrecoer http://sakrecoer.com On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Gord L Williams wrote: > Dear list, > > I have had reaction to some comments I have made, and I have to say > everyone has acted in a very gentile manner. Its good when we have > manners and can express our thought. Perhaps thats why we are hear rather > than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device. > > My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between > desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware. Unity > anyone? Gnome? - I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I > will call, dancing people, with a desktop that has a beat, for them. > "Its cool and I can dance to it." to get American Bandstand about it. > > I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone. I think most of you > got that, but apparently some people read things sideways. You can expect > that, if you make statements. Probably why I will never be in politics. > > If it was a perfect world, any distribution would be the same in intent, > regardless of desktop, meaning menus and software would be the same. In > my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy, which of course you can say > the prospects are looking up for. Wait the big jokes come later > > I see this as an advantage over dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell us > what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy as > having interest groups modify based on available software, they choose > semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now, and truly > FOSS. But that may not be the desire. > > Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio. No knocks at all. I do > not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons. The setups > and the bookings take time, and your a number is one reason. I have > recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the talent > for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous. Sitting on the stool talking > into a $3000 microphone is a kick, but doesn't bring it home economically. > Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the price. > > I have alway been about bringing that cost down, and very Ubuntu about > what I do. "If a traveler wanders into a village, the village will see to > his needs without a thought as to what they need." I believe Nelson > Mandella close enough. > > My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a > photographer, graphic artist, and media producer, the world will be > better. If the distribution fits more people, if they can make sense of > it without a huge learning curve and yes, if they can dance around the > open box, so to speak, as humans tend to do then maybe we have something. > We have something, not just the geeks that watch their machine > efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights. Thats already > there, enjoy your command line. > > Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting, and there are > reasons and excuses not to move forward on it. It is a good deal of work > for everyone involved in a distribution to make a change, any change, > even a small one. A radical change in thinking even more so, it can be > disruptive or worse. So, I do not propose that and I never will. > Ubuntustudio is a great distribution and has been a great distribution and > probably will continue to be so for years to come. > > That as they say is the bottom line, thank you Ubuntustudio. Period. > > -- > ubuntu-s
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:35 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > $ sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER > That's it :) After adding a user to a group, there's the need to log out and in before it takes effect. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013, at 04:28 PM, Gord L Williams wrote: > Dear list, > > I have had reaction to some comments I have made, and I have to say > everyone has acted in a very gentile manner. Its good when we have > manners and can express our thought. Perhaps thats why we are hear > rather than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or > Windows device. > > My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between > desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware. > Unity anyone? Gnome? - I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents > those I will call, dancing people, with a desktop that has a beat, > for them. "Its cool and I can dance to it." to get American Bandstand > about it. > Not sure if it was mentioned, but one of the goals we've had is to add the possibility to choose Desktop Environment during installation. Might become reality for the 14.04 release. Until then, if you want to add the audio stuff to any other official flavor, first install the flavor of your choice, then do: $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency ubuntustudio-audio $ sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER Make sure to answer "yes" to realtime, when jackd is installed. That's it :) /Kaj Ailomaa - Ubuntu Studio project lead -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
Personally what I like best about Ubuntustudio is the obvious dedication of the team to making a great collection of tools "for creative humans" of all types. Visual artists ought to feel at home here; certainly I do (writer,film-maker, and photographer). Tied for first place is the group of users I get a glimpse of on this and other lists such as LAU and GIMP. Heartfelt regards to all. Pete On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Mike Holstein wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Gord L Williams > wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> I have had reaction to some comments I have made, and I have to say >> everyone has acted in a very gentile manner. Its good when we have >> manners and can express our thought. Perhaps thats why we are hear rather >> than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device. >> >> My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between >> desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware. Unity >> anyone? Gnome? - I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I >> will call, dancing people, with a desktop that has a beat, for them. >> "Its cool and I can dance to it." to get American Bandstand about it. >> >> I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone. I think most of >> you got that, but apparently some people read things sideways. You can >> expect that, if you make statements. Probably why I will never be in >> politics. >> >> If it was a perfect world, any distribution would be the same in intent, >> regardless of desktop, meaning menus and software would be the same. In >> my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy, which of course you can say >> the prospects are looking up for. Wait the big jokes come later >> >> I see this as an advantage over dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell >> us what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy >> as having interest groups modify based on available software, they choose >> semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now, and truly >> FOSS. But that may not be the desire. >> >> Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio. No knocks at all. I >> do not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons. The >> setups and the bookings take time, and your a number is one reason. I >> have recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the >> talent for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous. Sitting on the stool >> talking into a $3000 microphone is a kick, but doesn't bring it home >> economically. Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the >> price. >> >> I have alway been about bringing that cost down, and very Ubuntu about >> what I do. "If a traveler wanders into a village, the village will see to >> his needs without a thought as to what they need." I believe Nelson >> Mandella close enough. >> >> My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a >> photographer, graphic artist, and media producer, the world will be >> better. If the distribution fits more people, if they can make sense of >> it without a huge learning curve and yes, if they can dance around the >> open box, so to speak, as humans tend to do then maybe we have something. >> We have something, not just the geeks that watch their machine >> efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights. Thats already >> there, enjoy your command line. >> >> Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting, and there are >> reasons and excuses not to move forward on it. It is a good deal of work >> for everyone involved in a distribution to make a change, any change, >> even a small one. A radical change in thinking even more so, it can be >> disruptive or worse. So, I do not propose that and I never will. >> Ubuntustudio is a great distribution and has been a great distribution and >> probably will continue to be so for years to come. >> >> That as they say is the bottom line, thank you Ubuntustudio. Period. > > > > ubuntustudio either fits your needs or it doesnt. it is what it is, and > cant be what its not. one thing ubuntustudio does well is make sure that > multimedia packages and meta packages are available and maintained in the > default ubuntu repos. these are used by the ubuntustudio distro, but they > can always (and usually quite easily) be added into whatever desktop anyone > chooses to use, as well as in the spin-offs such as mint. if a user wants > unity, they can install the main vanilla ubuntu and add what they want from > the ubuntustudio pacakges. users are able to and encouraged to do so, and > also, able to and encouraged to test, and make sure that things are working > in other environments and report (constructively and properly) bugs and > issues. there has been some great efforts made to make sure that > ubuntustudio could be installed with several different desktops as well as > many workflows. >
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Gord L Williams wrote: > Dear list, > > I have had reaction to some comments I have made, and I have to say > everyone has acted in a very gentile manner. Its good when we have > manners and can express our thought. Perhaps thats why we are hear rather > than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device. > > My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between > desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware. Unity > anyone? Gnome? - I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I > will call, dancing people, with a desktop that has a beat, for them. > "Its cool and I can dance to it." to get American Bandstand about it. > > I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone. I think most of you > got that, but apparently some people read things sideways. You can expect > that, if you make statements. Probably why I will never be in politics. > > If it was a perfect world, any distribution would be the same in intent, > regardless of desktop, meaning menus and software would be the same. In > my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy, which of course you can say > the prospects are looking up for. Wait the big jokes come later > > I see this as an advantage over dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell us > what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy as > having interest groups modify based on available software, they choose > semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now, and truly > FOSS. But that may not be the desire. > > Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio. No knocks at all. I do > not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons. The setups > and the bookings take time, and your a number is one reason. I have > recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the talent > for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous. Sitting on the stool talking > into a $3000 microphone is a kick, but doesn't bring it home economically. > Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the price. > > I have alway been about bringing that cost down, and very Ubuntu about > what I do. "If a traveler wanders into a village, the village will see to > his needs without a thought as to what they need." I believe Nelson > Mandella close enough. > > My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a > photographer, graphic artist, and media producer, the world will be > better. If the distribution fits more people, if they can make sense of > it without a huge learning curve and yes, if they can dance around the > open box, so to speak, as humans tend to do then maybe we have something. > We have something, not just the geeks that watch their machine > efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights. Thats already > there, enjoy your command line. > > Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting, and there are > reasons and excuses not to move forward on it. It is a good deal of work > for everyone involved in a distribution to make a change, any change, > even a small one. A radical change in thinking even more so, it can be > disruptive or worse. So, I do not propose that and I never will. > Ubuntustudio is a great distribution and has been a great distribution and > probably will continue to be so for years to come. > > That as they say is the bottom line, thank you Ubuntustudio. Period. ubuntustudio either fits your needs or it doesnt. it is what it is, and cant be what its not. one thing ubuntustudio does well is make sure that multimedia packages and meta packages are available and maintained in the default ubuntu repos. these are used by the ubuntustudio distro, but they can always (and usually quite easily) be added into whatever desktop anyone chooses to use, as well as in the spin-offs such as mint. if a user wants unity, they can install the main vanilla ubuntu and add what they want from the ubuntustudio pacakges. users are able to and encouraged to do so, and also, able to and encouraged to test, and make sure that things are working in other environments and report (constructively and properly) bugs and issues. there has been some great efforts made to make sure that ubuntustudio could be installed with several different desktops as well as many workflows. as a user, its important to keep what is opinion separated from the facts. is ubuntustudio the best? i think it is, because i prefer it and it fits my needs well, but there are many other opensource options that utilize and provide the same tools, and well as many commercial offerings that offer ways to get the same work done... its really up to the individual to determine what is the best fit.. we all know that ubuntustudio is quite capable. cheers and i hope you enjoy! > > > -- > ubuntu-studio-users mailing list > ubuntu-studio-users@lists.**ubuntu.c
[ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.
Dear list, I have had reaction to some comments I have made, and I have to say everyone has acted in a very gentile manner. Its good when we have manners and can express our thought. Perhaps thats why we are hear rather than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device. My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware. Unity anyone? Gnome? - I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I will call, dancing people, with a desktop that has a beat, for them. "Its cool and I can dance to it." to get American Bandstand about it. I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone. I think most of you got that, but apparently some people read things sideways. You can expect that, if you make statements. Probably why I will never be in politics. If it was a perfect world, any distribution would be the same in intent, regardless of desktop, meaning menus and software would be the same. In my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy, which of course you can say the prospects are looking up for. Wait the big jokes come later I see this as an advantage over dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell us what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy as having interest groups modify based on available software, they choose semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now, and truly FOSS. But that may not be the desire. Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio. No knocks at all. I do not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons. The setups and the bookings take time, and your a number is one reason. I have recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the talent for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous. Sitting on the stool talking into a $3000 microphone is a kick, but doesn't bring it home economically. Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the price. I have alway been about bringing that cost down, and very Ubuntu about what I do. "If a traveler wanders into a village, the village will see to his needs without a thought as to what they need." I believe Nelson Mandella close enough. My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a photographer, graphic artist, and media producer, the world will be better. If the distribution fits more people, if they can make sense of it without a huge learning curve and yes, if they can dance around the open box, so to speak, as humans tend to do then maybe we have something. We have something, not just the geeks that watch their machine efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights. Thats already there, enjoy your command line. Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting, and there are reasons and excuses not to move forward on it. It is a good deal of work for everyone involved in a distribution to make a change, any change, even a small one. A radical change in thinking even more so, it can be disruptive or worse. So, I do not propose that and I never will. Ubuntustudio is a great distribution and has been a great distribution and probably will continue to be so for years to come. That as they say is the bottom line, thank you Ubuntustudio. Period. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
