Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-16 Thread Dave Ricketzz 
A 45 RPM 12" single is hard to beat.

- Original Message 
From: Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:29:04 PM
Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD


-
I 
have 
grown 
up 
with 
both 
vinyl 
and 
CD 
(I 
am 
in 
my 
30s).  
The 
crackles 
and 
the 
constant 
noise 
irritate 
me, 
especially 
since 
I 
do 
not 
have 
that 
nostalgic 
emotional 
connection 
that 
_can_ 
cloud 
ones 
subjective 
judgement.

A 
proper 
24/96 
digital 
recording 
can 
capture 
the 
same 
frequency 
range 
as 
vinyl 
(well, 
it 
exceeds 
a 
human's 
ability 
to 
tell 
the 
difference, 
there 
are 
limits 
to 
what 
we 
can 
hear) 
and 
therefore 
be 
indistinguishable 
from 
vinyl, 
except 
of 
course 
for 
the 
artifacts 
created 
by 
the 
mechanical 
reproduction.

Having 
said 
that, 
I 
know 
a 
lot 
of 
people 
who 
experience 
vinyl 
differently 
than 
I.  
They 
truly 
believe 
that 
vinyl 
sounds 
better.  
Neither 
experience 
is 
necessarily 
right 
or 
wrong, 
just 
different.

Honestly, 
this 
argument 
is 
just 
like 
the 
vi(m) 
emacs 
wars, 
the 
Mac 
vs 
everyone 
else, 
and 
so 
on.  
It 
reduces 
to 
personal 
preference, 
period.
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-16 Thread hollunder 
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:41:22 +0100
Hartmut Noack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Gustin Johnson schrieb:
> > Larry Lines wrote:
> > |> Cory K. schrieb:
> > |> Christopher Stamper wrote:
> > |>> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
> > |>>
> > |>> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
> > |>>
> > |>> -Cory
> > |>>
> > |> Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2
> > or so
> 
> > | Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it.  Almost all
> > digital | formats
> > | of music have been very bad for quality of music. 
> 
> > I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s).  The
> > crackles and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do
> > not have that nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones
> > subjective judgement.
> 
> I never understood what makes people love the crackles. Ever since I
> spinned my first record in the early 80ies (chsh - zombies walk
> the list again har harr ha) crackles and noise where enemy number
> one. I accept them as unevitable if I listen to my australian copy of
> masters of the universe made in 1974 and bought for less then 20E,
> but they are definitely NOT what I like about listening to vinyl!
> 
> 
> > A proper 24/96 digital recording can capture the same frequency
> > range as vinyl 
> 
> 24/96 is not available on CD - if it would be, this certainly would
> make a difference. If I listen to a recording I made at  96KHz in
> Ardour and compare it A-B with an 44.1KHz/16bit CD I exported from
> the very same session the difference is evident.
> 
> 
> > (well, it exceeds a human's ability to tell the difference, there 
> > are limits to what we can hear)
> 
> Frequency range is not everything. Even though 96KHz tend to sound
> more brilliant then 44.1 CD the main difference and the one big
> advantage of vinyl is dynamics. The dynamics of sonar waves cannot be
> described correctly in a simple digital model. They cannot be
> reproduced exactly by a microgroove record also but the model of the
> microgroove provides a very good analogy - it is similar to sonar
> waves by its nature.
> 
> > and therefore be indistinguishable from 
> > vinyl
> 
> LP does not sound more brilliant then 24/96 but played with a capable
> equipment (stereo plus turntable for about 500E 2nd hand), it can
> reveal more room and details.
> 
> best regards
> 
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Hartmut, have you ever been to hydrogenaudio.org ?
The site is mainly about lossless and lossy audio formats but also a lot
about listening tests, and how to do them properly.
I think many people in that forum would love to see
proper double-blind-test results that show that you can hear the
difference between for example 24/96 and 16/44.1.

Best Regards
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-16 Thread Hartmut Noack 
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Gustin Johnson schrieb:
> Larry Lines wrote:
> |> Cory K. schrieb:
> |> Christopher Stamper wrote:
> |>> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
> |>>
> |>> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
> |>>
> |>> -Cory
> |>>
> |> Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so

> | Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it.  Almost all digital
> | formats
> | of music have been very bad for quality of music. 

> I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s).  The crackles 
> and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do not have that 
> nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones subjective judgement.

I never understood what makes people love the crackles. Ever since I
spinned my first record in the early 80ies (chsh - zombies walk the
list again har harr ha) crackles and noise where enemy number one. I
accept them as unevitable if I listen to my australian copy of masters
of the universe made in 1974 and bought for less then 20E, but they are
definitely NOT what I like about listening to vinyl!


> A proper 24/96 digital recording can capture the same frequency range as 
> vinyl 

24/96 is not available on CD - if it would be, this certainly would make
a difference. If I listen to a recording I made at  96KHz in Ardour and
compare it A-B with an 44.1KHz/16bit CD I exported from the very same
session the difference is evident.


> (well, it exceeds a human's ability to tell the difference, there 
> are limits to what we can hear)

Frequency range is not everything. Even though 96KHz tend to sound more
brilliant then 44.1 CD the main difference and the one big advantage of
vinyl is dynamics. The dynamics of sonar waves cannot be described
correctly in a simple digital model. They cannot be reproduced exactly
by a microgroove record also but the model of the microgroove provides a
very good analogy - it is similar to sonar waves by its nature.

> and therefore be indistinguishable from 
> vinyl

LP does not sound more brilliant then 24/96 but played with a capable
equipment (stereo plus turntable for about 500E 2nd hand), it can reveal
more room and details.

best regards

HZN
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-16 Thread Dave Ricketzz 
No optical disc player is worth $400+ to me.  I will let others pay the "early 
adopter tax" on this one.  Maybe someday, but not this someday.


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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:45:41 PM
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No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
| Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.
|
We all lost since neither side could co-operate.  In the mean time the 
proliferation of lower quality downloaded content appears to be 
entrenched.  It is possible that BR/hd-DVD pulled a Wordstar and 
wrestled themselves  down and out.

When Sony stuck with their memory stick format, I vowed never to buy 
another product from them, as they clearly did not learn their lesson 
from the Beta/VHS war.  Blue Ray has reinforced this view.

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread D. Michael McIntyre 
On Friday 15 February 2008, Timothy Crabtree wrote:
> Petitions won't save HD-DVD.   Toshiba is just about to give up.   It's
> over.

It's not over until the last Betamax and CED machines stop working.

Until then, I'm going to kick back and listen to my 8-tracks of Elvis.

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Timothy Crabtree 
I would enjoy hearing an explanation...

How can prolonging a format war and the added consumer confusion that came
with it be helpful to Linux?

More importantly, I have a BD-ROM drive on my computer, which runs on Ubuntu
Studio 90% of the time.  How would HD-DVD possibly be beneficial to me?  I'm
selfish.  Therefore, I don't much care about formats that I can't use.

Petitions won't save HD-DVD.   Toshiba is just about to give up.   It's
over.

-Tim

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:26 AM, Icy EyeG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all.
> There's a petition to save HDDVD at
> http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
> I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition
> between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread D. Michael McIntyre 
> I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s).  The crackles
> and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do not have that
> nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones subjective judgement.
[...]
> Having said that, I know a lot of people who experience vinyl
> differently than I.  They truly believe that vinyl sounds better.
> Neither experience is necessarily right or wrong, just different.

I'm sort of in the vinyl camp for nostalgic reasons. The only way I can 
experience vinyl today is digital recordings of analog cassette recordings of 
vinyl LPs, and I still think the vinyl versions sound warmer, and more 
comforting.  It can't be the technology.  It must be the crackles.

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Gustin Johnson 
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No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
| Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.
|
We all lost since neither side could co-operate.  In the mean time the 
proliferation of lower quality downloaded content appears to be 
entrenched.   It is possible that BR/hd-DVD pulled a Wordstar and 
wrestled themselves  down and out.

When Sony stuck with their memory stick format, I vowed never to buy 
another product from them, as they clearly did not learn their lesson 
from the Beta/VHS war.   Blue Ray has reinforced this view.

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Gustin Johnson 
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Larry Lines wrote:
|> Cory K. schrieb:
|> Christopher Stamper wrote:
|>> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
|>>
|>> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
|>>
|>> -Cory
|>>
|> Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so
|> years, ripped each CD I bought to OGG before I played it from HD since I
|> cannot stand the noises from the DVD-Drive but in the last 4 Months I
|> exhumed my record player and despite the crackles my LPs are so
|> overwhelming better in terms of dynamics and detail, that I tend to use
|> compressed files only for audiobooks now.
|>
|> CDs I listen to on my car-CD but if I really want to hear music at home
|> the black disks are number one again for me...
|>
| Yes definitely.  I participated in building a series of studios at a movie
| facility.  In the end, the rooms were amazing and we had purchased and
| installed millions of dollars of digital equipment.  One day someone 
brought
| in a turntable and we plugged it into the speakers and played the same 
album
| on CD through the equipment we had just installed.  The CD was terrible in
| comparison.  These advances in digital technology
| are still just a shell of the original high fidelity they try to emulate.
| Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it.  Almost all digital
| formats
| of music have been very bad for quality of music.  I can't even listen 
to an
| MP3
| without wondering the whole time what I am missing.
|
| Larry Lines
I have grown up with both vinyl and CD (I am in my 30s).  The crackles 
and the constant noise irritate me, especially since I do not have that 
nostalgic emotional connection that _can_ cloud ones subjective judgement.

A proper 24/96 digital recording can capture the same frequency range as 
vinyl (well, it exceeds a human's ability to tell the difference, there 
are limits to what we can hear) and therefore be indistinguishable from 
vinyl, except of course for the artifacts created by the mechanical 
reproduction.

Having said that, I know a lot of people who experience vinyl 
differently than I.  They truly believe that vinyl sounds better.  
Neither experience is necessarily right or wrong, just different.

Honestly, this argument is just like the vi(m) emacs wars, the Mac vs 
everyone else, and so on.  It reduces to personal preference, period.
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RE: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Larry Lines 
>Cory K. schrieb:
> Christopher Stamper wrote:
>> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
>> 
>> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
>> 
>> -Cory
>> 
>
>Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so
>years, ripped each CD I bought to OGG before I played it from HD since I
>cannot stand the noises from the DVD-Drive but in the last 4 Months I
>exhumed my record player and despite the crackles my LPs are so
>overwhelming better in terms of dynamics and detail, that I tend to use
>compressed files only for audiobooks now.
>
>CDs I listen to on my car-CD but if I really want to hear music at home
>the black disks are number one again for me...
>
Yes definitely.  I participated in building a series of studios at a movie
facility.  In the end, the rooms were amazing and we had purchased and 
installed millions of dollars of digital equipment.  One day someone brought
in a turntable and we plugged it into the speakers and played the same album
on CD through the equipment we had just installed.  The CD was terrible in 
comparison.  These advances in digital technology
are still just a shell of the original high fidelity they try to emulate.
Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it.  Almost all digital
formats
of music have been very bad for quality of music.  I can't even listen to an
MP3
without wondering the whole time what I am missing.

Larry Lines


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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Luis de Bethencourt 
HDDV? BlueRay? CD? DVD? Vinyl? Tape?

BitTorrent!

:P

Luis de Bethencourt

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Larry Lines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Cory K. schrieb:
>  > Christopher Stamper wrote:
>  >> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
>  >>
>  >> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
>  >>
>  >> -Cory
>  >>
>  >
>  >Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so
>  >years, ripped each CD I bought to OGG before I played it from HD since I
>  >cannot stand the noises from the DVD-Drive but in the last 4 Months I
>  >exhumed my record player and despite the crackles my LPs are so
>  >overwhelming better in terms of dynamics and detail, that I tend to use
>  >compressed files only for audiobooks now.
>  >
>  >CDs I listen to on my car-CD but if I really want to hear music at home
>  >the black disks are number one again for me...
>  >
>  Yes definitely.  I participated in building a series of studios at a movie
>  facility.  In the end, the rooms were amazing and we had purchased and
>  installed millions of dollars of digital equipment.  One day someone brought
>  in a turntable and we plugged it into the speakers and played the same album
>  on CD through the equipment we had just installed.  The CD was terrible in
>  comparison.  These advances in digital technology
>  are still just a shell of the original high fidelity they try to emulate.
>  Even worse, our ears and eyes are getting used to it.  Almost all digital
>  formats
>  of music have been very bad for quality of music.  I can't even listen to an
>  MP3
>  without wondering the whole time what I am missing.
>
>  Larry Lines
>
>
>
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Hartmut Noack 
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Cory K. schrieb:
> Christopher Stamper wrote:
>> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
> 
> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
> 
> -Cory
> 

Vinyl is still the best - I used to listen to MP§ for the last 2 or so
years, ripped each CD I bought to OGG before I played it from HD since I
cannot stand the noises from the DVD-Drive but in the last 4 Months I
exhumed my record player and despite the crackles my LPs are so
overwhelming better in terms of dynamics and detail, that I tend to use
compressed files only for audiobooks now.

CDs I listen to on my car-CD but if I really want to hear music at home
the black disks are number one again for me...


best regs

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Eduardo Pellegrini 
My God!
He didn't give up!

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On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Icy EyeG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I found another site: www.savehddvd.com, they show a petition that has
> many more signatures http://www.petitiononline.com/SAVEHDD/petition.html
> I wish I had found this one first...
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-15 Thread Icy EyeG 
I found another site: www.savehddvd.com, they show a petition that has many
more signatures http://www.petitiononline.com/SAVEHDD/petition.html
I wish I had found this one first...
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread D. Michael McIntyre 
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Cory K. wrote:
> No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
> Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.

That makes us old?

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Gareth Howells 
They certainly claim to, but I've never found any.

-

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garethATgforce-industriesDOTcoDOTuk
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I didn't even know they distributed movies.

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>To: Dave Rickmers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ubuntu Studio Users Help and 
>Discussion 
>Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD
>
>Pretty much, although supposedly they're expanding daily.
>
>Steve Wozniak (co-founder): "What are we doing tonight Steve?"
>Steve Jobbs: "the same thing we do every night Pinkie - trying to take over
>the music world!"
>
>I'll get me coat
>
>-
>
>Gareth Howells, CertHE (Dunelm), BCS
>CEO, GForce Industries
>
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>
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>
>
>> I-Tunes?  Aren't they just mainstream stuff?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>>From: Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Feb 14, 2008 9:51 AM
>>>To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD
>>>
>>>On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>wrote:
>>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>>>  Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry
>>>>  will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv
>>>>
>>>>  Buying something physical, that is old school :)
>>>
>>>So where is my artwork? My little book and my cool case?
>>>
>>>Luis
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
>>>>  | Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
>>>>  |
>>>>  | Luis
>>>>  |
>>>>  | On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
>>>>  | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>  |> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
>>>>  |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>  |>
>>>>  |>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
>>>>  |>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>  |>>> duh. wow.
>>>>  |>>>
>>>>  |>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
>>>>  |>>>
>>>>  |>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
>>>>  |>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
>>>>  |>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
>>>>  |>>
>>>>  |>> Luis de Bethencourt
>>>>  |>>
>>>>  |>>
>>>>  |>>>
>>>>  |>>>
>>>>  |>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>  |>>> wrote:
>>>>  |>>>
>>>>  |>>>> Christopher Stamper wrote:
>>>>  |>>>>> :-0
>>>>  |>>>>>
>>>>  |>>>>> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
>>>>  |>>>>> fail to
>>>>  |> read
>>>>  |>>>>> the whole thread again??? :-)
>>>>  |>>>>>
>>>>  |>>>>> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
>>>>  |>>>>> Yup. :-)
>>>>  |>>>>>
>>>>  |>>>>> And I don't watch video, so.
>>>>  |>&g

Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Luke Yelavich 
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 01:35:24AM EST, Cory K. wrote:
> No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
> Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.
> 
> Maybe I should do http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/kill_hd_dvd_format
>  ? :P
> 
> In the end I view this as spammy so we shouldn't let it get out of hand.
> I'm sure this will spark other chat though and that's fine. ;)

I am very disappointed that Sony have won this war. A lot of their gear, 
particularly their minidisc range was very good quality, but they are wy to 
proprietary. If they really wanted us to run Linux well on the PS3, they would 
have given us proper access to othe ehardrware /GPU etc.

I am very disappointed that Sony have won this war, and don't intend to give 
them another cent. Their minidisc, as well as other gear was great, but too 
proprietary. If they really believed in Linux/wanted to support Linux, more of 
PS3's hardware would be accessible eIMO.

I'll stick with DVD for now, until I have to change. Hopefully flash will be a 
more viable option then.
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Gustin Johnson 
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Don't know since I still buy actual CDs to make my own MP3s.  Also, 
Amarok manages my iPod just fine.

I am not a fan of Apple and am suspicious of them anyway.

Dave Rickmers wrote:
| I-Tunes?  Aren't they just mainstream stuff?  
|
| -Original Message-
|> From: Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|> Sent: Feb 14, 2008 9:51 AM
|> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 

|> Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD
|>
|> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
|>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
|>>  Hash: SHA1
|>>
|>>  Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry
|>>  will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv
|>>
|>>  Buying something physical, that is old school :)
|> So where is my artwork? My little book and my cool case?
|>
|> Luis
|>
|>>
|>>
|>>  Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
|>>  | Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
|>>  |
|>>  | Luis
|>>  |
|>>  | On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
|>>  | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>>  |> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
|>>  |>
|>>  |> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
|>>  |>
|>>  |>
|>>  |>
|>>  |>
|>>  |>
|>>  |> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
|>>  |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>>  |>
|>>  |>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
|>>  |>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>>  |>>> duh. wow.
|>>  |>>>
|>>  |>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
|>>  |>>>
|>>  |>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
|>>  |>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
|>>  |>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
|>>  |>>
|>>  |>> Luis de Bethencourt
|>>  |>>
|>>  |>>
|>>  |>>>
|>>  |>>>
|>>  |>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|>>  |>>> wrote:
|>>  |>>>
|>>  |>>>> Christopher Stamper wrote:
|>>  |>>>>> :-0
|>>  |>>>>>
|>>  |>>>>> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
|>>  |>>>>> fail to
|>>  |> read
|>>  |>>>>> the whole thread again??? :-)
|>>  |>>>>>
|>>  |>>>>> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
|>>  |>>>>> Yup. :-)
|>>  |>>>>>
|>>  |>>>>> And I don't watch video, so.
|>>  |>>>> Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my
|>>  |>>>> statement about CDs. :P
|>>  |>>>>
|>>  |>>>>
|>>  |>>>>
|>>  |>>>>
|>>  |>>>> -Cory
|>>  |>>>>
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|>>  |>>>
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Gareth Howells 
Pretty much, although supposedly they're expanding daily.

Steve Wozniak (co-founder): "What are we doing tonight Steve?"
Steve Jobbs: "the same thing we do every night Pinkie - trying to take over 
the music world!"

I'll get me coat

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- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Rickmers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion" 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD


> I-Tunes?  Aren't they just mainstream stuff?
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Feb 14, 2008 9:51 AM
>>To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 
>>
>>Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD
>>
>>On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>>  Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>>  Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry
>>>  will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv
>>>
>>>  Buying something physical, that is old school :)
>>
>>So where is my artwork? My little book and my cool case?
>>
>>Luis
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
>>>  | Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
>>>  |
>>>  | Luis
>>>  |
>>>  | On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
>>>  | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  |> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
>>>  |>
>>>  |> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
>>>  |>
>>>  |>
>>>  |>
>>>  |>
>>>  |>
>>>  |> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
>>>  |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  |>
>>>  |>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
>>>  |>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>  |>>> duh. wow.
>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
>>>  |>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
>>>  |>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
>>>  |>>
>>>  |>> Luis de Bethencourt
>>>  |>>
>>>  |>>
>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  |>>> wrote:
>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>>> Christopher Stamper wrote:
>>>  |>>>>> :-0
>>>  |>>>>>
>>>  |>>>>> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
>>>  |>>>>> fail to
>>>  |> read
>>>  |>>>>> the whole thread again??? :-)
>>>  |>>>>>
>>>  |>>>>> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
>>>  |>>>>> Yup. :-)
>>>  |>>>>>
>>>  |>>>>> And I don't watch video, so.
>>>  |>>>> Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my
>>>  |>>>> statement about CDs. :P
>>>  |>>>>
>>>  |>>>>
>>>  |>>>>
>>>  |>>>>
>>>  |>>>> -Cory
>>>  |>>>>
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>>>  |>>>> unsubscribe at:
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>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>>
>>>  |>>>
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>>>  |>>
>>>  |>>

Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Dave Rickmers 
I-Tunes?  Aren't they just mainstream stuff?  

-Original Message-
>From: Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Feb 14, 2008 9:51 AM
>To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 
>
>Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD
>
>On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>  Hash: SHA1
>>
>>  Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry
>>  will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv
>>
>>  Buying something physical, that is old school :)
>
>So where is my artwork? My little book and my cool case?
>
>Luis
>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
>>  | Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
>>  |
>>  | Luis
>>  |
>>  | On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
>>  | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  |> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
>>  |>
>>  |> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
>>  |>
>>  |>
>>  |>
>>  |>
>>  |>
>>  |> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
>>  |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  |>
>>  |>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
>>  |>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  |>>> duh. wow.
>>  |>>>
>>  |>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
>>  |>>>
>>  |>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
>>  |>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
>>  |>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
>>  |>>
>>  |>> Luis de Bethencourt
>>  |>>
>>  |>>
>>  |>>>
>>  |>>>
>>  |>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  |>>> wrote:
>>  |>>>
>>  |>>>> Christopher Stamper wrote:
>>  |>>>>> :-0
>>  |>>>>>
>>  |>>>>> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
>>  |>>>>> fail to
>>  |> read
>>  |>>>>> the whole thread again??? :-)
>>  |>>>>>
>>  |>>>>> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
>>  |>>>>> Yup. :-)
>>  |>>>>>
>>  |>>>>> And I don't watch video, so.
>>  |>>>> Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my
>>  |>>>> statement about CDs. :P
>>  |>>>>
>>  |>>>>
>>  |>>>>
>>  |>>>>
>>  |>>>> -Cory
>>  |>>>>
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>>  |>>>> unsubscribe at:
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>>  |>>>
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>>  |>>
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Stamper 
Unless you like obscure, un-popular music that can only be obtained via cd..
:-)

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry
> will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv
>
> Buying something physical, that is old school :)
>
> Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
> | Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
> |
> | Luis
> |
> | On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
> | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
> |>
> |> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
> |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |>
> |>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
> |>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |>>> duh. wow.
> |>>>
> |>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
> |>>>
> |>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
> |>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
> |>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
> |>>
> |>> Luis de Bethencourt
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>>
> |>>>
> |>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> |>>> wrote:
> |>>>
> | Christopher Stamper wrote:
> |> :-0
> |>
> |> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
> |> fail to
> |> read
> |> the whole thread again??? :-)
> |>
> |> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
> |> Yup. :-)
> |>
> |> And I don't watch video, so.
> | Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my
> | statement about CDs. :P
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Luis de Bethencourt 
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Gustin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>  Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry
>  will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv
>
>  Buying something physical, that is old school :)

So where is my artwork? My little book and my cool case?

Luis

>
>
>
>  Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
>  | Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
>  |
>  | Luis
>  |
>  | On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
>  | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  |> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
>  |>
>  |> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
>  |>
>  |>
>  |>
>  |>
>  |>
>  |> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
>  |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  |>
>  |>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
>  |>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  |>>> duh. wow.
>  |>>>
>  |>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
>  |>>>
>  |>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
>  |>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
>  |>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
>  |>>
>  |>> Luis de Bethencourt
>  |>>
>  |>>
>  |>>>
>  |>>>
>  |>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  |>>> wrote:
>  |>>>
>  | Christopher Stamper wrote:
>  |> :-0
>  |>
>  |> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
>  |> fail to
>  |> read
>  |> the whole thread again??? :-)
>  |>
>  |> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
>  |> Yup. :-)
>  |>
>  |> And I don't watch video, so.
>  | Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my
>  | statement about CDs. :P
>  |
>  |
>  |
>  |
>  | -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Gustin Johnson 
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Because within a couple of years, everyone who matters to the industry  
will be using iTunes to buy music/movies/tv

Buying something physical, that is old school :)

Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
| Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?
|
| Luis
|
| On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
| <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
|>
|> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt
|> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
|>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>>> duh. wow.
|>>>
|>>> Maybe everyone should use gmail
|>>>
|>>> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably
|>>> wouldn't read them too well either. /excuse
|>> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
|>>
|>> Luis de Bethencourt
|>>
|>>
|>>>
|>>>
|>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|>>> wrote:
|>>>
| Christopher Stamper wrote:
|> :-0
|>
|> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I
|> fail to
|> read
|> the whole thread again??? :-)
|>
|> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav.
|> Yup. :-)
|>
|> And I don't watch video, so.
| Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my
| statement about CDs. :P
|
|
|
|
| -Cory
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|>>
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Luis de Bethencourt 
Why has nobody replied to my flash memory revelation?

Luis

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Christopher Stamper
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)
>
> But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > duh. wow.
> > >
> > > Maybe everyone should use gmail
> > >
> > > Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably wouldn't
> > > read them too well either. /excuse
> >
> > Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
> >
> > Luis de Bethencourt
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Christopher Stamper wrote:
> > > > > :-0
> > > > >
> > > > > Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I fail to
> read
> > > > > the whole thread again??? :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav. Yup. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > And I don't watch video, so.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my statement about
> > > > CDs. :P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Stamper 
No, 'cause im sure u get more. :-)

But I have to do other things, like school.. So its a lot 4 me



On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Luis de Bethencourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > duh. wow.
> >
> > Maybe everyone should use gmail
> >
> > Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably wouldn't
> > read them too well either. /excuse
>
> Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?
>
> Luis de Bethencourt
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Christopher Stamper wrote:
> > > > :-0
> > > >
> > > > Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I fail to
> read
> > > > the whole thread again??? :-)
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav. Yup. :-)
> > > >
> > > > And I don't watch video, so.
> > >
> > > Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my statement about
> > > CDs. :P
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Luis de Bethencourt 
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Christopher Stamper
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> duh. wow.
>
> Maybe everyone should use gmail
>
> Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably wouldn't
> read them too well either. /excuse

Test us. How many emails do you recieve per day?

Luis de Bethencourt

>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Christopher Stamper wrote:
> > > :-0
> > >
> > > Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I fail to read
> > > the whole thread again??? :-)
> > >
> > > Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav. Yup. :-)
> > >
> > > And I don't watch video, so.
> >
> > Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my statement about
> > CDs. :P
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Stamper 
duh. wow.

Maybe everyone should use gmail

Well, if you had as many emails every day as I do, you probably wouldn't
read them too well either. /excuse

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher Stamper wrote:
> > :-0
> >
> > Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I fail to read
> > the whole thread again??? :-)
> >
> > Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav. Yup. :-)
> >
> > And I don't watch video, so.
>
> Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my statement about
> CDs. :P
>
> -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Cory K. 
Christopher Stamper wrote:
> :-0
>
> Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I fail to read
> the whole thread again??? :-)
>
> Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav. Yup. :-)
>
> And I don't watch video, so.

Yeah, I took it as a CD comment because you quoted my statement about
CDs. :P

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Stamper 
:-0

Talking about blueray and hd-dvd. Not audio cd, or did I fail to read the
whole thread again??? :-)

Actually, I don't download music. I rip CD's, in 44.1 wav. Yup. :-)

And I don't watch video, so.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher Stamper wrote:
> > Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.
>
> That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)
>
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Cory K. 
Christopher Stamper wrote:
> Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.

That's fine stick with your crappy, downloaded, lossy MP3s. ;)

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Christopher Stamper 
Who cares? I'm not using either. Ever.

Maybe they will both die. :-)

Better yet, maybe M$ will buy HD-DVD and both die! We can always hope
:-)

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Haig Dedeyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Cory K. wrote:
> >
> > We're only suckers if we let ourselves. CDs aren't going anywhere soon.
> > No matter how grim the industry likes to portray itself. CDs IMHO are
> > perfect. They can try to come out with supposed "better" formats but it
> > will only be in a effort to further copy-protection.
> >
> >
> > -Cory
> >
> >
>
>
> Here's their next attempt:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/08/riaa_wants_filters_for_end_users/
>
> *RIAA chief calls for copyright filters on PCs*
>
> *By deception or force if necessary*
>
> By Austin Modine
> <
> http://forms.theregister.co.uk/mail_author/?story_url=/2008/02/08/riaa_wants_filters_for_end_users/
> >
>
>
> Published Friday 8th February 2008 01:36 GMT
>
> When is a virus not a virus? When its sending your personal data to the
> Recording Industry Association of America, silly.
>
> Internet advocacy website Public Knowledge
>  has posted a highlight reel
> from the State of the Net Conference, where RIAA boss Cary Sherman
> suggests that internet filtering sorely lacks the personal touch of
> spyware.
>
> While ISP-level filtering dragnets such as those proposed by AT&T
> <
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/11/att_want_to_block_copyrighted_material_at_network_level/
> >
> have their way of catching the sloppier digital music thieves
> 
> out there, the technology is more-or-less bypassed by basic file
> encryption.
>
> That's why Sherman recommends finding a way to install filtering
> software directly onto people's home PCs.
>
> "One could have a filter on the end-user's computer that would actually
> eliminate any benefit from encryption. Because if you want to hear it
> [the music], you would need to decrypt it. At that point the filter
> could work," said Sherman.
>
> "Why would somebody want to put that on their machine? They wouldn't
> likely want to do that," mused Sherman.
>
> Why indeed?
>
> "They'd do that when it benefits them such as for viruses and so on and
> so forth. But that's the sort of thing that could be enforced whether at
> the modem or something that's put in by an ISP."
>
> Ah, trickery. But perhaps you'll need some rationalization so it doesn't
> sound like your average run-of-the-mill nefarious spyware.
>
> I don't think you should underestimate the educational benefit of these
> kind of things. A lot of this is basically letting people know that what
> you're doing here is not OK.
>
> Education. Perfect. If history is any judge, we're sure the RIAA's legal
> department will find a very reasonable and scholarly way of setting a
> person back on the straight and narrow. Meanwhile the vast majority who
> don't steal music will be happy knowing the RIAA is scanning every
> packet of their incoming data in the name of academia.
>
> Catch the highlights here . Or
> see the full conference here
> 
> (watching an hour of streaming Real Player video is done at your own
> risk). (R)
>
>
>
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Haig Dedeyan 
Cory K. wrote:
>
> We're only suckers if we let ourselves. CDs aren't going anywhere soon.
> No matter how grim the industry likes to portray itself. CDs IMHO are
> perfect. They can try to come out with supposed "better" formats but it
> will only be in a effort to further copy-protection.
>
>   
> -Cory
>
>   


Here's their next attempt:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/08/riaa_wants_filters_for_end_users/

*RIAA chief calls for copyright filters on PCs*

*By deception or force if necessary*

By Austin Modine 

 


Published Friday 8th February 2008 01:36 GMT

When is a virus not a virus? When its sending your personal data to the 
Recording Industry Association of America, silly.

Internet advocacy website Public Knowledge 
 has posted a highlight reel 
from the State of the Net Conference, where RIAA boss Cary Sherman 
suggests that internet filtering sorely lacks the personal touch of spyware.

While ISP-level filtering dragnets such as those proposed by AT&T 

 
have their way of catching the sloppier digital music thieves 
 
out there, the technology is more-or-less bypassed by basic file encryption.

That's why Sherman recommends finding a way to install filtering 
software directly onto people's home PCs.

"One could have a filter on the end-user's computer that would actually 
eliminate any benefit from encryption. Because if you want to hear it 
[the music], you would need to decrypt it. At that point the filter 
could work," said Sherman.

"Why would somebody want to put that on their machine? They wouldn't 
likely want to do that," mused Sherman.

Why indeed?

"They'd do that when it benefits them such as for viruses and so on and 
so forth. But that's the sort of thing that could be enforced whether at 
the modem or something that's put in by an ISP."

Ah, trickery. But perhaps you'll need some rationalization so it doesn't 
sound like your average run-of-the-mill nefarious spyware.

I don't think you should underestimate the educational benefit of these 
kind of things. A lot of this is basically letting people know that what 
you're doing here is not OK.

Education. Perfect. If history is any judge, we're sure the RIAA's legal 
department will find a very reasonable and scholarly way of setting a 
person back on the straight and narrow. Meanwhile the vast majority who 
don't steal music will be happy knowing the RIAA is scanning every 
packet of their incoming data in the name of academia.

Catch the highlights here . Or 
see the full conference here 
 
(watching an hour of streaming Real Player video is done at your own 
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Cory K. 
Larry Lines wrote:
> They will become cheap enough as soon as everyone replaces ALL of their DVD's 
> with
> Blu Ray or HDDVD.

Well they are coming down so I'll get a PS3 this summer and use that for
movies.

> And we're all suckers so we will end up replacing our whole libraries
> with the new technology.  I can't wait for the new audio format to come out 
> so I can
> purchase Dark Side of the Moon for the 5th time (first four - Vinyl, 
> Cassette, CD and MP3).

We're only suckers if we let ourselves. CDs aren't going anywhere soon.
No matter how grim the industry likes to portray itself. CDs IMHO are
perfect. They can try to come out with supposed "better" formats but it
will only be in a effort to further copy-protection.

> Also can't wait to purchase Apocalypse Now again, VHS, Beta, DVD and now 
> what...  I guess
> I'll get it on Blu Ray AND HDDVD so I can compare them and argue with my 
> friends.  How about
> we start a petition to not change from DVD.  We're all suckers.
>
> Larry Lines

This why I skipped over DVD entirely. I've been following HDTV too long
to amass a huge DVD collection only to buy it again. I knew I would. ;)

But seriously, gone are the days when a standard is around for 20, 30,
50 years like SDTV. Industry will continue to try to give us a perceived
"latest and greatest". Just the way it works. :P Vote with your
.

-Cory

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Larry Lines 
They will become cheap enough as soon as everyone replaces ALL of their DVD's 
with
Blu Ray or HDDVD.  And we're all suckers so we will end up replacing our whole 
libraries
with the new technology.  I can't wait for the new audio format to come out so 
I can
purchase Dark Side of the Moon for the 5th time (first four - Vinyl, Cassette, 
CD and MP3). 
Also can't wait to purchase Apocalypse Now again, VHS, Beta, DVD and now 
what...  I guess
I'll get it on Blu Ray AND HDDVD so I can compare them and argue with my 
friends.  How about
we start a petition to not change from DVD.  We're all suckers.

Larry Lines
>  
>  When is everybody going to realize spinning a disc is old school?...
>  flash memories are the new trend. Just give them a few years to become
>  dead cheap like their predeccesors.
>  
>  Luis
>  
>  On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Dave Rickmers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >
>  > Icy EyeG wrote:
>  >  > Hi all.
>  >  > There's a petition to save HDDVD at
>  >  > http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
>  >  > I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition
>  >  > between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
>  >  I have an HDDVD player (that they basically used to sweeten the deal on
>  >  a 50 inch DLP).  It upconverts SD to HD so well that I don't really care
>  >  about buying the higher priced hi-def discs.  Letterbox SD looks good
>  >  enough.  I use my DVD player almost exclusively for concerts and music
>  >  vids, the sound is much more important to me.
>  >
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Luis de Bethencourt 
When is everybody going to realize spinning a disc is old school?...
flash memories are the new trend. Just give them a few years to become
dead cheap like their predeccesors.

Luis

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Dave Rickmers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Icy EyeG wrote:
>  > Hi all.
>  > There's a petition to save HDDVD at
>  > http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
>  > I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition
>  > between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
>  I have an HDDVD player (that they basically used to sweeten the deal on
>  a 50 inch DLP).  It upconverts SD to HD so well that I don't really care
>  about buying the higher priced hi-def discs.  Letterbox SD looks good
>  enough.  I use my DVD player almost exclusively for concerts and music
>  vids, the sound is much more important to me.
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Dave Rickmers 
Icy EyeG wrote:
> Hi all.
> There's a petition to save HDDVD at 
> http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
> I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition 
> between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
I have an HDDVD player (that they basically used to sweeten the deal on 
a 50 inch DLP).  It upconverts SD to HD so well that I don't really care 
about buying the higher priced hi-def discs.  Letterbox SD looks good 
enough.  I use my DVD player almost exclusively for concerts and music 
vids, the sound is much more important to me.

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Luis de Bethencourt 
On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Sean Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Two words: DivX

Did you meant XVid :P come on... FLOSS.

Luis

>
> -=cybersean3000=-
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:35:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD
>
>  Icy EyeG wrote:
> > Hi all.
> > There's a petition to save HDDVD at
> > http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
> > I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition
> > between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
>
> No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
> Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.
>
> Maybe I should do http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/kill_hd_dvd_format
> <http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format> ? :P
>
> In the end I view this as spammy so we shouldn't let it get out of hand.
> I'm sure this will spark other chat though and that's fine. ;)
>
> -Cory
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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Sean Edwards 
Two Words: 8 Track

-=cybersean3000=-

- Original Message 
From: Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:35:24 AM
Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD


Icy 
EyeG 
wrote:
> 
Hi 
all.
> 
There's 
a 
petition 
to 
save 
HDDVD 
at
> 
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
> 
I 
sending 
this 
here, 
because 
I 
honestly 
believe 
that 
the 
competition
> 
between 
2 
formats 
can 
help 
HD 
implementation 
on 
Linux.

No 
thanx. 
I 
want 
a 
single 
format 
to 
win. 
I'm 
old 
enough 
to 
remember
Betamax/VHS 
war. 
BlueRay 
has 
won.

Maybe 
I 
should 
do 
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/kill_hd_dvd_format
<http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format> 
? 
:P

In 
the 
end 
I 
view 
this 
as 
spammy 
so 
we 
shouldn't 
let 
it 
get 
out 
of 
hand.
I'm 
sure 
this 
will 
spark 
other 
chat 
though 
and 
that's 
fine. 
;)

-Cory

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Sean Edwards 
Two words: DivX

-=cybersean3000=-

- Original Message 
From: Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 8:35:24 AM
Subject: Re: Petition to save HDDVD


Icy 
EyeG 
wrote:
> 
Hi 
all.
> 
There's 
a 
petition 
to 
save 
HDDVD 
at
> 
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
> 
I 
sending 
this 
here, 
because 
I 
honestly 
believe 
that 
the 
competition
> 
between 
2 
formats 
can 
help 
HD 
implementation 
on 
Linux.

No 
thanx. 
I 
want 
a 
single 
format 
to 
win. 
I'm 
old 
enough 
to 
remember
Betamax/VHS 
war. 
BlueRay 
has 
won.

Maybe 
I 
should 
do 
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/kill_hd_dvd_format
<http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format> 
? 
:P

In 
the 
end 
I 
view 
this 
as 
spammy 
so 
we 
shouldn't 
let 
it 
get 
out 
of 
hand.
I'm 
sure 
this 
will 
spark 
other 
chat 
though 
and 
that's 
fine. 
;)

-Cory

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Dave Rickmers 
Cory K. wrote:
> Icy EyeG wrote:
>   
>> Hi all.
>> There's a petition to save HDDVD at
>> http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
>> I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition
>> between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
>> 
>
> No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
> Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.
>
> Maybe I should do http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/kill_hd_dvd_format
> <http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format> ? :P
>
> In the end I view this as spammy so we shouldn't let it get out of hand.
> I'm sure this will spark other chat though and that's fine. ;)
>
> -Cory
>
>   
It's just TV...

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Re: Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Cory K. 
Icy EyeG wrote:
> Hi all.
> There's a petition to save HDDVD at
> http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
> I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition
> between 2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.

No thanx. I want a single format to win. I'm old enough to remember
Betamax/VHS war. BlueRay has won.

Maybe I should do http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/kill_hd_dvd_format
<http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format> ? :P

In the end I view this as spammy so we shouldn't let it get out of hand.
I'm sure this will spark other chat though and that's fine. ;)

-Cory

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Petition to save HDDVD

2008-02-14 Thread Icy EyeG 
Hi all.
There's a petition to save HDDVD at
http://www.youchoose.net/campaign/save_hd_dvd_format
I sending this here, because I honestly believe that the competition between
2 formats can help HD implementation on Linux.
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