Re: Kernel flavours [was: Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead]
Hi Mark, 2010/6/20 mark m...@aktivix.org: [...] Where can I find the -lowlatency and -preempt binaries for lucid? I just updated these on the my PPA. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Kernel flavours [was: Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Alessio and everyone Could you evaluate and compare those results with -lowlatency kernel available on https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/+packages, please? I had a look at the page specified above, and I saw -lowlatency packages for maveric only. There are -rt packages for lucid. Where can I find the -lowlatency and -preempt binaries for lucid? Thanks in advance, Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwd71UACgkQ3b8v4BN9hRTg9ACfeRdPTbuz0YV1mxZMG63AYtWu aPkAn1aG6IKWU6TUlIbScfBDmRT0ijc3 =KPkQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
Hi Brian, 2010/6/8 Brian David beej...@gmail.com: [..] On a final note, a long running issue for me is how often a quality rt kernel is left out of the releases. On my system, at least, the RT kernel is the only one that gives good enough performance. The vanilla and preempt kernels produce far too many x-runs. I seem to have no problems with the 2.6.31 RT kernel, but it would be awfully nice to have a 32 version. Could you evaluate and compare those results with -lowlatency kernel available on https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/+packages, please? Thank you very much. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Hartmut Noack zettber...@linuxuse.dewrote: snip BUT to gain the trust of the users PA must become much more user-configurable then before. The first step should be a disable PA-switch in a decent, accessible GUI (could be a mixer). This should be possible *without* removing PA alltogether and PA should be really absolute passive if this switch is flicked by the user. Daniel Chen mentioned in the developer meeting that someone might be working on a one-click JACK activation from the sound notifier applet (if i remember correctly). Presumably this would disable Pulse Audio. That is very good news :-) Can we have the all-new CALF-stuff from SVN? I'll look into it. Guitarix is very important and it makes astounding progress at the moment. Brummer and freinds made this little crushing amp a veritable powerstack usable for serious studio-use with full MIDI-learn, built-in convolution-engine and many other pro-grade features. And i have to stress this again: the new CALF-Plugins that are in the works now will be a revolution in the world of native plugins for Linux. Some are entirely new like the sidechain-compressor, others replace bit-rotten LADSPA-plugins that do not work anymore like the powerfull deesser. And most of them work allready: http://lapoc.de/img/calf-new10.png best regs HZN/Berlin It looks like there is already a Debian bug report for Guitarix and I mentioned it to quadrispro about it this morning on IRC. He seems quite interested in it and falktx offered his PPA version as well to start. So we might be seeing this soon in Ubuntu synced from Debian. ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:32 PM, laurent.bellegarde laurent.bellega...@free.fr wrote: Hi Scott. Well, it's a good program. Few things, as i've done an official conference about UBS at Paris Ubuntu Party. - Many people ask for a viewable boot ! Many beleive that there was a bug during the boot ! I'm not sure what you mean by 'viewable boot'. Do you mean the progress bar? On my system the progress bar is only visible for three to four seconds before the GDM screen appears and the progress bar only fills the first U and part of the N! I am curious if other systems are similar. The Plymouth theme was added very, very late during last cycle so it might require some tweaking although I am unsure how much adjusting is possible. You mentioned a video of your event before. Is it available so I can see what you are describing? - Many people ask about software distribution, for many, UBS is too music edition designed, and not enough image/Video edition completed. A question is there a plan to complete Lucid UBS LTS, or only improving the next UBS release ? Personally I would like Lucid to be an LTS version. I think it is highly important to have a stable, relatively bug free release available. This was discussed at the last developer meeting (and probably to be discusses at the next one) without a definitive resolution. However, the answer will be determined by what we feel we can properly support. For producing multimedia, powerfull, stable and complete release is absolutly necessary, so lucid need large complete under UBS release. Thanks for the lead, Bye, Laurent lprod.org ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jose H. jose...@gmail.com wrote: I have the crazy idea that Ubuntu Studio should be user oriented. If that was the case, ubuntu studio needs to solve two really big issues: 1) complexity: PA vs Jack = ubuntu studio vs the user, Windows and Mac will win I agree and we are working toward this goal with better integration between JACK and Pulse Audio. This is arguably the biggest user complaint and therefore we are attempting to address it. 2) stability: jacks crashes, timidity crashes, etc. I personally suffer very, very little from any crashes. If you are experiencing crashes, and I cannot stress this enough, then please file a bug report about it! This is exceptionally important for all users! Problems cannot be fixed unless we are aware of them. And emails to the users list is not enough. The information contained in bug reports is crucial to determining the cause and the solution. Please file bug reports. Sorry, dead horse = beaten. Shouldn't JACK+Timidity start with init.d and be stable, working without issues with PA ? I'm not sure JACK should start by default as many people use their boxes for other activities than recording music. However, I do agree that it should work without issues with Pulse Audio. My Two cents. -- Nuestra recompensa se encuentra en el esfuerzo y no en el resultado. Un esfuerzo total es una victoria completa. --Gandhi ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
Brian: if it makes a difference, I run Kubuntu Studio 10.04 64 amd on my PC; I've reported a xorg bug [to ubuntu.com/X/Reporting] on an upgrade built on a -lowlatency kernel and cannot find work arounds that give me sound, Jack Control, Skype or open office in a correct on screen appearance. Let's keep nudging for down days to go away. Kenneth On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Alessio Igor Bogani abog...@ubuntu.comwrote: Hi Brian, 2010/6/8 Brian David beej...@gmail.com: [..] On a final note, a long running issue for me is how often a quality rt kernel is left out of the releases. On my system, at least, the RT kernel is the only one that gives good enough performance. The vanilla and preempt kernels produce far too many x-runs. I seem to have no problems with the 2.6.31 RT kernel, but it would be awfully nice to have a 32 version. Could you evaluate and compare those results with -lowlatency kernel available on https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/+packageshttps://launchpad.net/%7Eabogani/+archive/ppa/+packages , please? Thank you very much. Ciao, Alessio -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Brian David beej...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and suggest that Ubuntu Studio should not be user oriented. At least, not in the sense that a main priority would be to make things as simple as possible. It seems to me that a lot of problems have resulted from the active marketing of Ubuntu Studio as easy to use. At this point, I've accepted that Linux audio is never going to be easy. I've also accepted that this is a good thing, because the payoff is that the software is of higher quality and greater versatility. My suggestion is that Ubuntu Studio should brand itself as a serious audio production system, one the provides the highest quality tools out there, but that requires patience and experience to utilize. Not the easiest sell, but I'd say closer to reality. Much discussion has occurred lately about what is Ubuntu Studio's audience. To be honest, we really don't have too many clues. I think we need to know more about our current and their needs so that we can better address them. However, I wouldn't try to sell Ubuntu Studio as professional audio at this point. JACK and Pulse Audio integration, among other things, is an argument to this point. I'm not saying the potential isn't there, because I believe it is, but it would require additional work. Having said that, I think there are a few things that could be done to make Ubuntu Studio more user friendly. The most obvious would be to make sure that the user is automatically put in the 'audio' and 'video' groups, and that firewire access is available out of the box without needing to mess with Ubuntu Studio Controls. This should allow JACK to start right away for most users. If you install Ubuntu Studio from the DVD, a fresh install as it has been mentioned, the use is part of the audio group. However, I believe this is probably going to change for -rt capabilities. My understanding is that the current user, the one logged in and behind the keyboard, is the active user and the active user will have rights to -rt audio. So, users will not need to be explicitly included in the @audio group. Of course, this is under development and subject to my limited understanding and development change. Adding users to the @video group and enabling raw1394 might pose security issues. I'm not saying this is not a possibility, but rather it needs to be discusses and explored. However, above all else, what Ubuntu Studio needs is much much much better documentation and tutorials. This is something near and dear to me and is what got me involved with the Ubuntu Studio developers and I cannot agree more. However, the developer team is extremely limited both quantitatively and qualitatively, therefore any help from the user base would be most appreciated. Another item I cannot stress to often or too much; there are many ways that users can assist Ubuntu Studio without developer knowledge and this includes testing, bug reports, and documentation. Any knowledgeable user is encouraged to fix typos or outdated material and even create new pages on the wikis. Any user with a launchpad account can do this! On a final note, a long running issue for me is how often a quality rt kernel is left out of the releases. On my system, at least, the RT kernel is the only one that gives good enough performance. The vanilla and preempt kernels produce far too many x-runs. I seem to have no problems with the 2.6.31 RT kernel, but it would be awfully nice to have a 32 version. -- -Brian David I see Alessio has already replied concerning the kernel so I will only supplement his comments. More information about kernels can be found at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel From least to greatest real time needs, please try: -generic - -preempt - -lowlatency - -rt kernel My understanding is that the -rt kernel depends on Igno Molnar's patch, therefore we cannot guarantee it's availability for every kernel. However, the other flavors do not rely on his patch, but rather are available by simply changing compile flags. ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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If Brian is going to play DA, I have to stick up for him: real pro audio equipment requires constant cleaning, tuning and calibration, unlike your consumer-grade home-E system. What sets Logic and ProTools apart from Garage Band are deep functionality and flexibility, which come with steep learning curves. Personally, I'm looking for that level of performance (or better) from Ubuntu Studio, I don't mind having to work to get it, and it seems to me you're almost there. And I am setting off now to look for that link where I can sign up to help with documentation. Time to do my part. On 6/7/10, Brian David beej...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jose H. jose...@gmail.com wrote: I have the crazy idea that Ubuntu Studio should be user oriented. If that was the case, ubuntu studio needs to solve two really big issues: 1) complexity: PA vs Jack = ubuntu studio vs the user, Windows and Mac will win 2) stability: jacks crashes, timidity crashes, etc. Shouldn't JACK+Timidity start with init.d and be stable, working without issues with PA ? My Two cents. I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and suggest that Ubuntu Studio should not be user oriented. At least, not in the sense that a main priority would be to make things as simple as possible. It seems to me that a lot of problems have resulted from the active marketing of Ubuntu Studio as easy to use. At this point, I've accepted that Linux audio is never going to be easy. I've also accepted that this is a good thing, because the payoff is that the software is of higher quality and greater versatility. My suggestion is that Ubuntu Studio should brand itself as a serious audio production system, one the provides the highest quality tools out there, but that requires patience and experience to utilize. Not the easiest sell, but I'd say closer to reality. Having said that, I think there are a few things that could be done to make Ubuntu Studio more user friendly. The most obvious would be to make sure that the user is automatically put in the 'audio' and 'video' groups, and that firewire access is available out of the box without needing to mess with Ubuntu Studio Controls. This should allow JACK to start right away for most users. However, above all else, what Ubuntu Studio needs is much much much better documentation and tutorials. On a final note, a long running issue for me is how often a quality rt kernel is left out of the releases. On my system, at least, the RT kernel is the only one that gives good enough performance. The vanilla and preempt kernels produce far too many x-runs. I seem to have no problems with the 2.6.31 RT kernel, but it would be awfully nice to have a 32 version. -- -Brian David -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
Am 08.06.2010 01:53, schrieb teza: Le 07/06/2010 22:29, Hartmut Noack a écrit : Hi, I agree for Guitarix this software made a big jump lately. Where did you find the calf plugin you show in the picture? This is the stand of affairs in: http://repo.or.cz/r/calf.git :-) :-) most of the new plug ins are from Markus Schmidt: http://mein-neues-blog.de/2010/01/27/aktuell-linux-audio-goes-professional/ Thanks Best Regards Teza -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Hartmut Noack schrieb: [snipped] PLUS: Audio is most important for UBS because one can install GIMP, Blender, Synfig, Inkscape or any other graphics-app on any standard generic Linux and it will work. Not so will jack, Ardour and the like, they need a system, that is carefully tweaked to RT-needs and a generic Linux would not be adeaquate. And Video-apps need more or less the same tweaks. Not to mention the fact that one cannot create a sensible video without a good sound track. And as far as I know sound = audio. So at least in the final production steps both will be equally demanded. So, if users say, they find UBS to be too much focused on audio, one should explain, that this is not the case and not try to follow customer-demands that derive from wrong assumtions made at first-glance. Well, hum, the simple question is, what those users miss from the video support of UBS. If one says I miss nothing, but it's too audio centered nevertheless then give him a mild smile and a pitying clap on the shoulder. Otherwise listen. KR Det -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Am 07.06.2010 21:46, schrieb Scott Lavender: As project lead I hope to provide active, direct leadership in a transparent manner. Transparency is indeed crucial. It is a major advantage of free software and I think it could be pushed some more in Ubuntu overall. Personally I have noticed your efforts in that field and appreciate them a lot :-) We are working on JACK and Pulse Audio integration via dbus and the Alpha 1 ISO is available for all to begin testing. Obviously finding stable integration between JACK and Pulse Audio would be a marked improvement in usability. I love to see this improve but still I think, it will not be easy to diminish the hatred against PA that many users have accumulated. The overall design of PA is capable to solve many many problems for Linux Audio and I think, we have no better approach and I am sure, that nobdy on earth really wants any all new experiments so PA should be pushed I think. BUT to gain the trust of the users PA must become much more user-configurable then before. The first step should be a disable PA-switch in a decent, accessible GUI (could be a mixer). This should be possible *without* removing PA alltogether and PA should be really absolute passive if this switch is flicked by the user. LV2 plugins are another area of improvement. We began packaging these last cycle and continue this cycle. That is very good news :-) Can we have the all-new CALF-stuff from SVN? Please let us know how we can improve Ubuntu Studio for you, just remember that we work within the Ubuntu paradigm, so all improvements must comply with those systemic restrictions (e.g. all applications in the official repositories). Guitarix is very important and it makes astounding progress at the moment. Brummer and freinds made this little crushing amp a veritable powerstack usable for serious studio-use with full MIDI-learn, built-in convolution-engine and many other pro-grade features. And i have to stress this again: the new CALF-Plugins that are in the works now will be a revolution in the world of native plugins for Linux. Some are entirely new like the sidechain-compressor, others replace bit-rotten LADSPA-plugins that do not work anymore like the powerfull deesser. And most of them work allready: http://lapoc.de/img/calf-new10.png best regs HZN/Berlin -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Hi Scott. Well, it's a good program. Few things, as i've done an official conference about UBS at Paris Ubuntu Party. - Many people ask for a viewable boot ! Many beleive that there was a bug during the boot ! - Many people ask about software distribution, for many, UBS is too music edition designed, and not enough image/Video edition completed. A question is there a plan to complete Lucid UBS LTS, or only improving the next UBS release ? For producing multimedia, powerfull, stable and complete release is absolutly necessary, so lucid need large complete under UBS release. Thanks for the lead, Bye, Laurent lprod.org Scott Lavender wrote: Hello all, I wanted to take a little time to post an update to the -user mailing list about Ubuntu Studio and the project lead position in particular. During this cycle (Maverick) I have assumed the responsibilities for the project lead position. However, the transition really began during Lucid and to this end I would like to thank Cory, Luke, Luis, Emmet, Jussi and Eric for their support and advice. As project lead I hope to provide active, direct leadership in a transparent manner. Examples of this should already be evident and can be found in the -user and -dev mailing lists and on the #ubuntu-studio-devel IRC channel. Also, all users are encouraged to attend the developer meetings as your input is valuable. You can find more information about the meetings at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings In addition, I would like make communication with the users a defining hallmark of this project. Not only will we be asking for your opinions but also querying you for information about your needs. Therefore, please expect further emails to this list soliciting your input. Furthermore, anyone can also email me directly with questions or comments at: scottalaven...@gmail.com mailto:scottalaven...@gmail.com I encourage you to contact me as you feel necessary. Also, I have a blog where you can keep up with any of my musings regarding Ubuntu Studio at: http://dullass.blogspot.com/ Oftentimes I will post about my thoughts before decisions are made or about things before they happen elsewhere. Moving on, Ubuntu Studio 10.10 Maverick Meerkat is seeing improvements that I would like to mention. We are working on JACK and Pulse Audio integration via dbus and the Alpha 1 ISO is available for all to begin testing. Obviously finding stable integration between JACK and Pulse Audio would be a marked improvement in usability. The goal is to have this implemented during Maverick which would pave the way for other improvements. We are also attempting to address the gnome-network-admin bug which prevents configuration of network connections, as I posted previously to this list. Finding a solution to this bug would obviously have a large impact to usability. LV2 plugins are another area of improvement. We began packaging these last cycle and continue this cycle. An updated website is also in the works, although the time table is not quite as fixed as the Maverick's release cycle. Lastly, we are evaluating whether we would implement a backports PPA for applications included in Ubuntu Studio. Quality is important, so there would be some caveats regarding what we would or wouldn't package but I personally would love to hear your feedback on this item in particular. That's all that I have at this moment, although I should be writing again or posting in the near future. Please let us know how we can improve Ubuntu Studio for you, just remember that we work within the Ubuntu paradigm, so all improvements must comply with those systemic restrictions (e.g. all applications in the official repositories). Regards, ScottL -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Am 07.06.2010 22:32, schrieb laurent.bellegarde: - Many people ask about software distribution, for many, UBS is too music edition designed, and not enough image/Video edition completed. Sorry but whenever I read this, I fail to understand it. There is absolutely NO overweight of music-production capabilities in UBS. Maybe people get this feeling as they see the long list of music-apps in the menu but this has reasons, that are intrinsic in the design of audio production on computers in general and even more in Linux. It is modular. You have synths, samplers, sequencers, hd-recorders/editors, FX, score-editors, tuners, utilities and DAWs like Rosegarden and Ardour. It would be nonsense, to cut that list just to make it look less music-centered. On the other hand, there are not that many different small apps for Linux in the field of graphics. But GIMP and Inkscape offer much more for graphics then say, zynaddsubfx for music. Still zynadd is important for it is specialized on creating synth-sounds and it is very good on this. There is no graphics-app like zynadd, you can do it all in GIMP. For 3d there is Blender and if there is anything for sound, that can be compared to Blender then its Ardour so 3d-people will be OK with that, I do not know any free 3d-modeling-app that could offer something, Blender cannot do. In a word: I do not know any available Linux-app for graphics, that is missing in UBS.(Krita could be a candidate, but it is not there yet in terms of stability). PLUS: Audio is most important for UBS because one can install GIMP, Blender, Synfig, Inkscape or any other graphics-app on any standard generic Linux and it will work. Not so will jack, Ardour and the like, they need a system, that is carefully tweaked to RT-needs and a generic Linux would not be adeaquate. And Video-apps need more or less the same tweaks. So, if users say, they find UBS to be too much focused on audio, one should explain, that this is not the case and not try to follow customer-demands that derive from wrong assumtions made at first-glance. best regs HZN -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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Le 07/06/2010 22:29, Hartmut Noack a écrit : Am 07.06.2010 21:46, schrieb Scott Lavender: As project lead I hope to provide active, direct leadership in a transparent manner. Transparency is indeed crucial. It is a major advantage of free software and I think it could be pushed some more in Ubuntu overall. Personally I have noticed your efforts in that field and appreciate them a lot :-) We are working on JACK and Pulse Audio integration via dbus and the Alpha 1 ISO is available for all to begin testing. Obviously finding stable integration between JACK and Pulse Audio would be a marked improvement in usability. I love to see this improve but still I think, it will not be easy to diminish the hatred against PA that many users have accumulated. The overall design of PA is capable to solve many many problems for Linux Audio and I think, we have no better approach and I am sure, that nobdy on earth really wants any all new experiments so PA should be pushed I think. BUT to gain the trust of the users PA must become much more user-configurable then before. The first step should be a disable PA-switch in a decent, accessible GUI (could be a mixer). This should be possible *without* removing PA alltogether and PA should be really absolute passive if this switch is flicked by the user. LV2 plugins are another area of improvement. We began packaging these last cycle and continue this cycle. That is very good news :-) Can we have the all-new CALF-stuff from SVN? Please let us know how we can improve Ubuntu Studio for you, just remember that we work within the Ubuntu paradigm, so all improvements must comply with those systemic restrictions (e.g. all applications in the official repositories). Guitarix is very important and it makes astounding progress at the moment. Brummer and freinds made this little crushing amp a veritable powerstack usable for serious studio-use with full MIDI-learn, built-in convolution-engine and many other pro-grade features. And i have to stress this again: the new CALF-Plugins that are in the works now will be a revolution in the world of native plugins for Linux. Some are entirely new like the sidechain-compressor, others replace bit-rotten LADSPA-plugins that do not work anymore like the powerfull deesser. And most of them work allready: http://lapoc.de/img/calf-new10.png best regs HZN/Berlin Hi, I agree for Guitarix this software made a big jump lately. Where did you find the calf plugin you show in the picture? Thanks Best Regards Teza -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
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I have the crazy idea that Ubuntu Studio should be user oriented. If that was the case, ubuntu studio needs to solve two really big issues: 1) complexity: PA vs Jack = ubuntu studio vs the user, Windows and Mac will win 2) stability: jacks crashes, timidity crashes, etc. Shouldn't JACK+Timidity start with init.d and be stable, working without issues with PA ? My Two cents. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:53 PM, teza tsalio...@orange.fr wrote: Le 07/06/2010 22:29, Hartmut Noack a écrit : Am 07.06.2010 21:46, schrieb Scott Lavender: As project lead I hope to provide active, direct leadership in a transparent manner. Transparency is indeed crucial. It is a major advantage of free software and I think it could be pushed some more in Ubuntu overall. Personally I have noticed your efforts in that field and appreciate them a lot :-) We are working on JACK and Pulse Audio integration via dbus and the Alpha 1 ISO is available for all to begin testing. Obviously finding stable integration between JACK and Pulse Audio would be a marked improvement in usability. I love to see this improve but still I think, it will not be easy to diminish the hatred against PA that many users have accumulated. The overall design of PA is capable to solve many many problems for Linux Audio and I think, we have no better approach and I am sure, that nobdy on earth really wants any all new experiments so PA should be pushed I think. BUT to gain the trust of the users PA must become much more user-configurable then before. The first step should be a disable PA-switch in a decent, accessible GUI (could be a mixer). This should be possible *without* removing PA alltogether and PA should be really absolute passive if this switch is flicked by the user. LV2 plugins are another area of improvement. We began packaging these last cycle and continue this cycle. That is very good news :-) Can we have the all-new CALF-stuff from SVN? Please let us know how we can improve Ubuntu Studio for you, just remember that we work within the Ubuntu paradigm, so all improvements must comply with those systemic restrictions (e.g. all applications in the official repositories). Guitarix is very important and it makes astounding progress at the moment. Brummer and freinds made this little crushing amp a veritable powerstack usable for serious studio-use with full MIDI-learn, built-in convolution-engine and many other pro-grade features. And i have to stress this again: the new CALF-Plugins that are in the works now will be a revolution in the world of native plugins for Linux. Some are entirely new like the sidechain-compressor, others replace bit-rotten LADSPA-plugins that do not work anymore like the powerfull deesser. And most of them work allready: http://lapoc.de/img/calf-new10.png best regs HZN/Berlin Hi, I agree for Guitarix this software made a big jump lately. Where did you find the calf plugin you show in the picture? Thanks Best Regards Teza -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users -- Nuestra recompensa se encuentra en el esfuerzo y no en el resultado. Un esfuerzo total es una victoria completa. --Gandhi -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Ubuntu Studio Project Lead
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Jose H. jose...@gmail.com wrote: I have the crazy idea that Ubuntu Studio should be user oriented. If that was the case, ubuntu studio needs to solve two really big issues: 1) complexity: PA vs Jack = ubuntu studio vs the user, Windows and Mac will win 2) stability: jacks crashes, timidity crashes, etc. Shouldn't JACK+Timidity start with init.d and be stable, working without issues with PA ? My Two cents. I'm going to play devil's advocate here, and suggest that Ubuntu Studio should not be user oriented. At least, not in the sense that a main priority would be to make things as simple as possible. It seems to me that a lot of problems have resulted from the active marketing of Ubuntu Studio as easy to use. At this point, I've accepted that Linux audio is never going to be easy. I've also accepted that this is a good thing, because the payoff is that the software is of higher quality and greater versatility. My suggestion is that Ubuntu Studio should brand itself as a serious audio production system, one the provides the highest quality tools out there, but that requires patience and experience to utilize. Not the easiest sell, but I'd say closer to reality. Having said that, I think there are a few things that could be done to make Ubuntu Studio more user friendly. The most obvious would be to make sure that the user is automatically put in the 'audio' and 'video' groups, and that firewire access is available out of the box without needing to mess with Ubuntu Studio Controls. This should allow JACK to start right away for most users. However, above all else, what Ubuntu Studio needs is much much much better documentation and tutorials. On a final note, a long running issue for me is how often a quality rt kernel is left out of the releases. On my system, at least, the RT kernel is the only one that gives good enough performance. The vanilla and preempt kernels produce far too many x-runs. I seem to have no problems with the 2.6.31 RT kernel, but it would be awfully nice to have a 32 version. -- -Brian David -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
