Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-20 Thread Danilo Šegan
Hi Adi,

У пет, 17. 04 2009. у 11:33 +0300, Adi Roiban пише:

> I tried to used the automatic Rosetta import feature release this
> cycle, but it looks like it's not ready yet... so I went back to
> manual import.

Template import should be fine.  You should not need to do any other
imports of actual PO files after that (other than the initial one, if
you want).

We've accidentally landed a UI change which enables PO imports as well,
and that's what you used which is not yet ready on our production
servers.

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-18 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
El vie, 20-03-2009 a las 22:38 +0200, Adi Roiban escribió:
> Hi,
> 
> This is the script used for translating the start page:
> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/ubuntu-start-page/translation-script-8.10

Adi, is there a chance for using www.google.es instead of www.google.com
in the Spanish translation when the user does a search using the Ubuntu
Start Page?

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread Marcos
Hi!
Yes appear ast as first option.
Thanks by bug Adi ;)
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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread Adi Roiban
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 16:17 +0200, Marcos wrote:
> Hi!
> I did try load the web (http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/).
> 
> I was changing the Language in Preferences to "es" and to "ast".
> I was changing the general.useragent.locale to "ast", "ast-ES" and "ES-ast"...
> 
> Nothing works :(
> I think is an issue between asturian locale and the code of the home web.
> 
> Where can I see the code of routing to one language or other? (For debug it)
> Thanks!
True :(

I can reproduce this bug in Epiphany and Firefox... 
I think that the start.ubuntu.com webserver lacks support for Asturian.

You can test your browser here:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/cgi-bin/run/~jkorpela/lang.cgi

If the first language is "ast" your browser is OK.

Please follow this bug here:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/+bug/362949

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread Marcos
Hi!
I did try load the web (http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/).

I was changing the Language in Preferences to "es" and to "ast".
I was changing the general.useragent.locale to "ast", "ast-ES" and "ES-ast"...

Nothing works :(
I think is an issue between asturian locale and the code of the home web.

Where can I see the code of routing to one language or other? (For debug it)
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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread Adi Roiban
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 10:04 +0200, David Planella wrote:
> El dj 16 de 04 de 2009 a les 22:47 +0300, en/na Adi Roiban va escriure:

[snip]

For any problem please try to use the ubuntu-start-page bug report :)

> I have also noticed a problem: in the current version (at least last
> evening), the "Ubuntu help" link appears untranslated. I have noticed a
> couple of things:

Here is the bug report.

https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/+bug/351114

> * At some point all strings in Catalan were translated in Jaunty, but
> there was a template change (I think from "Ubuntu Help" to "Ubuntu
> help") and then they started to appear untranslated. The last
> translation in Launchpad for this string was on 2009-03-24 [1]
> 
> * The template [1] does not seem to reflect what has been released.
> There is still a mixture of capitals (Ubuntu Start Page, Ubuntu shop)
> and the "Ubuntu Help" string there is different to the released "Ubuntu
> help" one. I think it might be a matter of updating the template.
The template and po files should be updated now... or waiting in the
import queue.

I tried to used the automatic Rosetta import feature release this cycle,
but it looks like it's not ready yet... so I went back to manual import.

> Adi, Matthew, do you think you could you shed any light on this?
I think that everything is ok... I will talk with Matt and see when we
can push a new update to start.ubuntu.com .

The translated html files can be branched from here:
https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/ubuntu-start-page/jaunty-l10n

I have also updated the test page:

http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/


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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread Adi Roiban
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 00:08 +0200, Ricardo Pérez López wrote:
> El vie, 20-03-2009 a las 22:38 +0200, Adi Roiban escribió:
[snip]
> Adi, thank you very much for your work. The start page looks perfectly
> translated into Spanish. However, the Search button ("Buscar", in
> Spanish) is still overlapping the right border. This is the opened
> bugreport about this issue:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/+bug/348586

I'm only handling the translations and I'm not an xhtml/css guru.

Hope someone will dedicate some time for fixing this problem before the
release. Patch welcomed :)

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread Adi Roiban
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 09:37 +0200, malditoastur wrote:
> Hi Marcos, I think there's a mistake. The correct Ubuntu Start Page is

This is the location where I put the "development" pages, and it should
be used only for translators:
> http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/index.html.ast 

The oficial Ubuntu Start Page dedicated for general use is: 
http://start.ubuntu.com

> I don't understand why your link goes to a semi-untranslated page. (It
> says "Ubuntu help" instead "Aida d'Ubuntu")
That was a problem and it was fixed... we should see the canges with the next 
update.

> Perhaps that is related to the installer is not yet available in
> Asturian language?
> 
> must we put a bug in Launchpad?
You should check if this is a firefox-ast bug.


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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread David Planella
El dj 16 de 04 de 2009 a les 22:47 +0300, en/na Adi Roiban va escriure:
> On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:34 +0200, malditoastur wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have updated Jaunty just a few hours ago, and I can see that
> > ubuntu-start-page does not appears in Asturian language. The
> > translations were done on 25 April, so I don't understand why I can't
> > see the page in Asturian. Where is the problem? Can you help us?
> > 
> > Thanks
> As far as I can tell, there is an index.html.ast file on 
> http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.ast
> 
> Did you defined your language preferences in Firefox / Epiphany / your
> browser?
> 
> For Firefox it should be
>  Edit->Preferences , then "Content" , "Language" , "Choose"
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Adi Roiban
> 

Hi,

I think Adi's is a good suggestion and a good starting point for
something to check out for. That said, the language code in the browser
should automatically be set to the given locale already.

I have also noticed a problem: in the current version (at least last
evening), the "Ubuntu help" link appears untranslated. I have noticed a
couple of things:

* At some point all strings in Catalan were translated in Jaunty, but
there was a template change (I think from "Ubuntu Help" to "Ubuntu
help") and then they started to appear untranslated. The last
translation in Launchpad for this string was on 2009-03-24 [1]

* The template [1] does not seem to reflect what has been released.
There is still a mixture of capitals (Ubuntu Start Page, Ubuntu shop)
and the "Ubuntu Help" string there is different to the released "Ubuntu
help" one. I think it might be a matter of updating the template.

* I have tested the following localisations (just by clicking on the
link): de [2], ca [3], it [4], es [5], fr [6] and ast [7]. In all of
them the "Ubuntu help" appears untranslated. They were ok the last time
the status report was generated, though [8]

Adi, Matthew, do you think you could you shed any light on this?

Keep up the good work!

Regards,
David.

[1]
https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/trunk/+pots/startpage/ca/+translate
 (string #2)
[2] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.de
[3] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.ca
[4] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.it
[5] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.es
[6] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.fr
[7] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.ast
[8] http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-17 Thread malditoastur
Hi Marcos, I think there's a mistake. The correct Ubuntu Start Page is

http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/index.html.ast 

I don't understand why your link goes to a semi-untranslated page. (It
says "Ubuntu help" instead "Aida d'Ubuntu")

Perhaps that is related to the installer is not yet available in
Asturian language?

must we put a bug in Launchpad?



El vie, 17-04-2009 a les 08:08 +0200, Marcos escribió:
> Hi!!
> Why must I defined my language? In Spanish and English works fine!
> It's must predefined in the installation :(
> I think we must put a bug in Launchpad (is it correct?). Thanks.
> 
> 
> As far as I can tell, there is an index.html.ast file on
> http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.ast
> 
> Did you defined your language preferences in Firefox / Epiphany / your
> browser?
> 
> For Firefox it should be
>  Edit->Preferences , then "Content" , "Language" , "Choose"
> 


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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-16 Thread Marcos
Hi!!
Why must I defined my language? In Spanish and English works fine!
It's must predefined in the installation :(
I think we must put a bug in Launchpad (is it correct?). Thanks.


As far as I can tell, there is an index.html.ast file on
http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.ast

Did you defined your language preferences in Firefox / Epiphany / your
browser?

For Firefox it should be
 Edit->Preferences , then "Content" , "Language" , "Choose"

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-16 Thread Ricardo Pérez López
El vie, 20-03-2009 a las 22:38 +0200, Adi Roiban escribió:
> Hi,
> 
> This is the script used for translating the start page:
> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/ubuntu-start-page/translation-script-8.10
> 
> I have done it for 8.10, but right now there are not many changes in
> 9.04.
> 
> Now the Search button should be translated and RTL text direction set
> for the following languages: he ps ar ur . 
> If there is any other language with RTL please let me know.
> 
> Here are the pages for 9.04:
> http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/
> 
> Here for 8.10:
> http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-8.10-start-page/

Adi, thank you very much for your work. The start page looks perfectly
translated into Spanish. However, the Search button ("Buscar", in
Spanish) is still overlapping the right border. This is the opened
bugreport about this issue:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/+bug/348586

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-16 Thread Adi Roiban
On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 21:34 +0200, malditoastur wrote:
> Hi,
> I have updated Jaunty just a few hours ago, and I can see that
> ubuntu-start-page does not appears in Asturian language. The
> translations were done on 25 April, so I don't understand why I can't
> see the page in Asturian. Where is the problem? Can you help us?
> 
> Thanks
As far as I can tell, there is an index.html.ast file on 
http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/index.html.ast

Did you defined your language preferences in Firefox / Epiphany / your
browser?

For Firefox it should be
 Edit->Preferences , then "Content" , "Language" , "Choose"

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-04-16 Thread malditoastur
Hi,
I have updated Jaunty just a few hours ago, and I can see that
ubuntu-start-page does not appears in Asturian language. The
translations were done on 25 April, so I don't understand why I can't
see the page in Asturian. Where is the problem? Can you help us?

Thanks

El vie, 20-03-2009 a les 22:38 +0200, Adi Roiban escribió:
> Hi,
> 
> This is the script used for translating the start page:
> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/ubuntu-start-page/translation-script-8.10
> 
> I have done it for 8.10, but right now there are not many changes in
> 9.04.
> 
> Now the Search button should be translated and RTL text direction set
> for the following languages: he ps ar ur . 
> If there is any other language with RTL please let me know.
> 
> Here are the pages for 9.04:
> http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/
> 
> Here for 8.10:
> http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-8.10-start-page/
> 
> I have generated the page only for languages with 100%.
> 
> Arne, do you think we could include this template[1] in the index page
> for Jaunty [2] ? It should receive more attention in this way.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> [1] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/
> [2] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty
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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-22 Thread Matthew East
Hi,

On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Adi Roiban  wrote:
> În data de Sb, 21-03-2009 la 14:32 +, Matthew East a scris:
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Adi Roiban  wrote:
>> > We will also need to import this page into Launchpad:
>> > file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
>> >
>> > We already home some translations for this page, but I thing it still
>> > needs some love :)
>>
>> I'd actually like to get rid of this page entirely in the next
>> release. People who open their browser with the internet not working
>> should get a screen which tells them that they aren't connected, not a
>> screen which gives them the impression that they are connected.
>> Firefox now has quite a graceful and informative "offline" page, so
>> that can replace the offline startpage, in my opinion.
> Yes, but this is the start page, not the offline page.

Sorry, I don't understand. The file you have quoted above
(///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html *is* the offline page.

> Meanwhile we could look at the current status of localized version of
> help.ubuntu.com. Also help the teams in setting up their own version, so
> that we could include the link in the next release.

That's more of a subject for another thread, but I know that you've
already seen my view on this here:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2009-March/012470.html

I agree that helping teams to set up their own version of
help.ubuntu.com on local websites is a good goal - actually it's
surprisingly easy so we could easily write a short howto about it.

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Re: Open translations (was: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page)

2009-03-21 Thread Tom Davies
Sorry, i apologise.  I didn't realise about the first part of this and i 
apologise about the rest.

Thanks Adi 
Regards from
Tom 






From: Adi Roiban 
To: ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Saturday, 21 March, 2009 14:32:21
Subject: Open translations (was: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page)


Translation of Ubuntu using Launchpad Translations is still open and
everyone can submit suggestions( including a single suggestion and then
just move on).

Consider translations like a part of the software code. Does anyone has
write access to GNOME SVN ? Is GNOME development against FLOSS
philosophy? 

In the last posts we were talking about moderated localization teams.
Because everyone can add suggestions for various translations we have
Localization teams for each language. Those localization teams are
acting like reviewers/quality assurance.

Membership for those team is moderated and this is the only way you can
assure the translation quality.

Just today I was checking some translations where instead of "uninstall"
the translator has suggested "install". If we would not had the
localization team, those suggestions would get directly to Ubuntu and
mess everything.

> Also i find it remarkable that people are so hugely dedicated to
> making sure that Ubuntu only has american.  Sure there are some parts
> translated into some other languages and those parts are probably
> great examples of craftsmanship or great art.  Meanwhile most of
> Ubuntu can only be read in American-English.  
I am not aware of any case of people dedicated to making Ubuntu
available ONLY in english/american.
It is hard to know the specific features of each language and for that
we need developers/testers with knowledge of various languages.

For example the Ubuntu Start page did not had RTL text direction for
Hebrew, but Yaron  had raise this issues and in the next update it
should be solved.

> I really think things need shaking up and radically new thinking needs
> to be implemented to Open this up as what we currently have and the
> attitudes it encourages are at odds with the rest of the OpenSource
> Community.  Please tell me we have someone working on opening doors
> rather than just on closing them.  
I think that Ubuntu translations are one of the most opened translations
(and this is one of the reason for decreasing the quality).

Look at the translation of GNU Project. Before accepting any
translations from you, they will ask you to print a disclaimer, sign it
and them mail it to them... in US :). 

We are open to any suggestion for improving the translations process,
but in the same time we don't want to compromise the translations
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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-21 Thread Adi Roiban
În data de Sb, 21-03-2009 la 14:32 +, Matthew East a scris:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Adi Roiban  wrote:
> > We will also need to import this page into Launchpad:
> > file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
> >
> > We already home some translations for this page, but I thing it still
> > needs some love :)
> 
> I'd actually like to get rid of this page entirely in the next
> release. People who open their browser with the internet not working
> should get a screen which tells them that they aren't connected, not a
> screen which gives them the impression that they are connected.
> Firefox now has quite a graceful and informative "offline" page, so
> that can replace the offline startpage, in my opinion.
Yes, but this is the start page, not the offline page.

I agree that in the current state, the page is pretty useless, as all
links are on the web. 

Meanwhile we could look at the current status of localized version of
help.ubuntu.com. Also help the teams in setting up their own version, so
that we could include the link in the next release.

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Open translations (was: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page)

2009-03-21 Thread Adi Roiban
În data de Sb, 21-03-2009 la 13:26 +, Tom Davies a scris:
> I find it amazing that in the last few posts in ubuntu-translators we
> have seen such dedication to Closing groups and making them
> inaccessible to people that just want to join in for a while and then
> move on.  I can't help feeling that this is directly against the
> OpenSource philosophy.
Translation of Ubuntu using Launchpad Translations is still open and
everyone can submit suggestions( including a single suggestion and then
just move on).

Consider translations like a part of the software code. Does anyone has
write access to GNOME SVN ? Is GNOME development against FLOSS
philosophy? 

In the last posts we were talking about moderated localization teams.
Because everyone can add suggestions for various translations we have
Localization teams for each language. Those localization teams are
acting like reviewers/quality assurance.

Membership for those team is moderated and this is the only way you can
assure the translation quality.

Just today I was checking some translations where instead of "uninstall"
the translator has suggested "install". If we would not had the
localization team, those suggestions would get directly to Ubuntu and
mess everything.

> Also i find it remarkable that people are so hugely dedicated to
> making sure that Ubuntu only has american.  Sure there are some parts
> translated into some other languages and those parts are probably
> great examples of craftsmanship or great art.  Meanwhile most of
> Ubuntu can only be read in American-English.  
I am not aware of any case of people dedicated to making Ubuntu
available ONLY in english/american.
It is hard to know the specific features of each language and for that
we need developers/testers with knowledge of various languages.

For example the Ubuntu Start page did not had RTL text direction for
Hebrew, but Yaron  had raise this issues and in the next update it
should be solved.

> I really think things need shaking up and radically new thinking needs
> to be implemented to Open this up as what we currently have and the
> attitudes it encourages are at odds with the rest of the OpenSource
> Community.  Please tell me we have someone working on opening doors
> rather than just on closing them.  
I think that Ubuntu translations are one of the most opened translations
(and this is one of the reason for decreasing the quality).

Look at the translation of GNU Project. Before accepting any
translations from you, they will ask you to print a disclaimer, sign it
and them mail it to them... in US :). 

We are open to any suggestion for improving the translations process,
but in the same time we don't want to compromise the translations
quality.

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-21 Thread Matthew East
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Adi Roiban  wrote:
> We will also need to import this page into Launchpad:
> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
>
> We already home some translations for this page, but I thing it still
> needs some love :)

I'd actually like to get rid of this page entirely in the next
release. People who open their browser with the internet not working
should get a screen which tells them that they aren't connected, not a
screen which gives them the impression that they are connected.
Firefox now has quite a graceful and informative "offline" page, so
that can replace the offline startpage, in my opinion.

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-21 Thread Tom Davies
I find it amazing that in the last few posts in ubuntu-translators we have seen 
such dedication to Closing groups and making them inaccessible to people that 
just want to join in for a while and then move on.  I can't help feeling that 
this is directly against the OpenSource philosophy.

Also i find it remarkable that people are so hugely dedicated to making sure 
that Ubuntu only has american.  Sure there are some parts translated into some 
other languages and those parts are probably great examples of craftsmanship or 
great art.  Meanwhile most of Ubuntu can only be read in American-English.  

I really think things need shaking up and radically new thinking needs to be 
implemented to Open this up as what we currently have and the attitudes it 
encourages are at odds with the rest of the OpenSource Community.  Please tell 
me we have someone working on opening doors rather than just on closing them.  

A few people are doing a huge amount of work and i'm sure this ungrateful 
outburst is the last thing they deserve to hear.  The fact that we have got 
something this far this fast and the fact that we do have so many thousands of 
strings translated at all is extremely impressive and is almost entirely down 
to the work of a very few people who deserve medals imo.  

Regards and good luck to all
Tom



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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-21 Thread Adi Roiban
În data de Sb, 21-03-2009 la 10:14 +0200, Timo Jyrinki a scris:
> 2009/3/20 Adi Roiban :
> > I have done it for 8.10, but right now there are not many changes in
> > 9.04.
> 
> The results look great! Huge thanks for your coding and other work.
> Hopefully the 8.10 could be gotten into use soon already, since that's
> what's already visible for most.

We will also need to import this page into Launchpad:
file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html

We already home some translations for this page, but I thing it still
needs some love :)

Maybe we can replace it with the start page from 8.04. What do you say?

We just need to pick up a page and I will import it in LP.

> Just FYI to others, we were told that for 9.04 the Help and
> Participate URLs wouldn't be made translatable, thus they will still
> lead to English-only resources for now. If we want that to change for
> 9.10, we should start planning it in eg. June already instead of so
> close to a release. In the future, there could be a minimal
> translatable Participate page in ubuntu.com with links to local pages,
> which could be quite nice with the current URL also. But I do think
> the Ubuntu Help URL should be made translatable (for 9.10) since many
> LoCos already have the equivalent of help.ubuntu.com, ie. ubuntu-docs
> in HTML format, available on their sites in local language(s).

I agree. We can also start looking at this problem earlier :)

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Re: Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-21 Thread Timo Jyrinki
2009/3/20 Adi Roiban :
> I have done it for 8.10, but right now there are not many changes in
> 9.04.

The results look great! Huge thanks for your coding and other work.
Hopefully the 8.10 could be gotten into use soon already, since that's
what's already visible for most.

Just FYI to others, we were told that for 9.04 the Help and
Participate URLs wouldn't be made translatable, thus they will still
lead to English-only resources for now. If we want that to change for
9.10, we should start planning it in eg. June already instead of so
close to a release. In the future, there could be a minimal
translatable Participate page in ubuntu.com with links to local pages,
which could be quite nice with the current URL also. But I do think
the Ubuntu Help URL should be made translatable (for 9.10) since many
LoCos already have the equivalent of help.ubuntu.com, ie. ubuntu-docs
in HTML format, available on their sites in local language(s).

-Timo

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Translation status for Ubuntu Start Page

2009-03-20 Thread Adi Roiban
Hi,

This is the script used for translating the start page:
https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/ubuntu-start-page/translation-script-8.10

I have done it for 8.10, but right now there are not many changes in
9.04.

Now the Search button should be translated and RTL text direction set
for the following languages: he ps ar ur . 
If there is any other language with RTL please let me know.

Here are the pages for 9.04:
http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-9.04-start-page/

Here for 8.10:
http://l10n.ubuntu.tla.ro/ubuntu-8.10-start-page/

I have generated the page only for languages with 100%.

Arne, do you think we could include this template[1] in the index page
for Jaunty [2] ? It should receive more attention in this way.

Cheers,

[1] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-start-page/
[2] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty
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