Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Alec Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:19 +0100, SteVe Cook wrote: > >> Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is >> that reliable under windows either. >> > I'm guessing by a "sensible format", you mean something like MPEG. If > that's true, they probably don't because the MPEG licensing authority > charge for use of MPEG encoding, whereas real (or whatever the company's > called) and Microsoft probably don't charge, and perhaps even pay BBC > for the publicity of their formats. > > If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it > isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. Or they > could keep windows media and real media for winblows users and give us > ogg vorbis/theora too. I see a petition starting :) But first let's get > in touch with them. > In fact, RealMedia formats require a fee of US$500 per server. The smart money, I'd have thought, would be on Dirac: royalty fee, developed under the same license as Firefox, and (unlike Theora) twice as bandwidth efficient as MPEG-2. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
A new problem has started after messing about trying out Realplay videos. Firefox just disappears, nothing in the logs and when I restart it I don't even get the offer of restoring the previous session. It's as if FF thinks it's been shut down properly. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Alec Wright wrote: > On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:19 +0100, SteVe Cook wrote: >> Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is >> that reliable under windows either. > I'm guessing by a "sensible format", you mean something like MPEG. If > that's true, they probably don't because the MPEG licensing authority > charge for use of MPEG encoding, whereas real (or whatever the company's > called) and Microsoft probably don't charge, and perhaps even pay BBC > for the publicity of their formats. > > If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it > isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. Or they > could keep windows media and real media for winblows users and give us > ogg vorbis/theora too. I see a petition starting :) But first let's get > in touch with them. I meant something open like ogg or whatever. As they're open there is nor reason why windows, apple, mobile phones can't use them. Despite the fact that I don't watch GMTV, I have emailed my thoughts on the matter to them, I doubt it will do much but it's a start, especially if others join in. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:19 +0100, SteVe Cook wrote: > Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is > that reliable under windows either. I'm guessing by a "sensible format", you mean something like MPEG. If that's true, they probably don't because the MPEG licensing authority charge for use of MPEG encoding, whereas real (or whatever the company's called) and Microsoft probably don't charge, and perhaps even pay BBC for the publicity of their formats. If you meant something even more sensible like ogg vorbis/theora, it isn't compatible with windows so that's unlikely to happen. Or they could keep windows media and real media for winblows users and give us ogg vorbis/theora too. I see a petition starting :) But first let's get in touch with them. -- Alec Wright -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Michael wrote: > I tell a lie: you seem to have to wait a few minutes before you're > allowed to see a new clip. > > "Fullscreen" mode doesn't work in any case. > That would appear to be the case as I've just tried it again, following your post. Why they can't use some sensible format I don't know, as Realplayer is that reliable under windows either. I can see this being a long running saga. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Michael wrote: > SteVe Cook wrote: > >> Michael wrote: >> >> >>> SteVe Cook wrote: >>> >>> >>> I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. >>> >>> In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only >>> until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be >>> shown in full-screen mode. >>> >>> In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... >>> >>> Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the >>> error: >>> >>> Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or >>> inaccurate. >>> (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) >>> >>> >>> The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional >>> version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The plot thickens. I don't appear to able to play the GMTV clips more >> than once. Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the >> ubuntu/Realplayer thing. >> >> SteVe >> >> >> > Returning to Seamonkey just now, the "featured" clip played > automatically in both sound & vision within the embedded player, but I > can't get the player to repeat it, and clicking on the other links > produces no response. > > > Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the ubuntu/Realplayer > thing. > > As it happens, that page is GMTV's shop window for clip sales > (http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=14014). > > I tell a lie: you seem to have to wait a few minutes before you're allowed to see a new clip. "Fullscreen" mode doesn't work in any case. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
SteVe Cook wrote: > Michael wrote: > >> SteVe Cook wrote: >> >>> >>> >> I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. >> >> In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only >> until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be >> shown in full-screen mode. >> >> In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... >> >> Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the >> error: >> >> Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or >> inaccurate. >> (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) >> >> >> The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional >> version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. >> >> >> > The plot thickens. I don't appear to able to play the GMTV clips more > than once. Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the > ubuntu/Realplayer thing. > > SteVe > > Returning to Seamonkey just now, the "featured" clip played automatically in both sound & vision within the embedded player, but I can't get the player to repeat it, and clicking on the other links produces no response. > Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the ubuntu/Realplayer thing. As it happens, that page is GMTV's shop window for clip sales (http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=14014). -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Michael wrote: > SteVe Cook wrote: >> > I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. > > In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only > until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be > shown in full-screen mode. > > In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... > > Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the > error: > > Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or > inaccurate. > (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) > > > The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional > version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. > > The plot thickens. I don't appear to able to play the GMTV clips more than once. Is this some sort of DRM type thing or part of the ubuntu/Realplayer thing. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
SteVe Cook wrote: > Mac wrote: > >> This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I >> wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our >> own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the >> remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our >> efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, >> flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in >> several different versions of the same apps. >> >> The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly >> or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. >> >> > I think you may have highlighted the (on of the ?) problem. I have > three machines here. > One upgraded from edgy, that has had every media player, codec, etc. > known to man on it at one time or other. It now has problems with all > sorts of media. > The machine I did a clean install on back in may, just before feisty was > officially released only has trouble with realplayer stuff in the main. > The third machine is my 'try it - wipe it - reinstall' machine. I've > gone the medibuntu route on that and have know problems with the beeb or > GMTV. > > SteVe > > I've just tried the GMTV clips page out in Windows. In Firefox 2.0 the interview with Michael Kerr plays out in sound only until you click inside the embedded player, causing the stream to be shown in full-screen mode. In Internet Explorer, nothing actually happens... Back in Seamonkey under Feisty, the clips page immediately returns the error: Requested file not found. The link you followed may be outdated or inaccurate. (rtsp://a1358.v165445.c16544.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/1358/16544/v001/roomediaco1.download.akamai.com/16542/real.roomedia/streamingVX/7056/1441/herochat_300.rm?clipId=1441_gmtv_0601&channel=GMTV+Highlights&category=&site=gmtv%2fportal) The least that can be done in Ubuntu is to make available an optional version of mplayer that doesn't install the useless RealMedia plugin. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
On 7/4/07, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it might be worth creating some sort of firefox plugin for linux that detects streams and checks if there is a compatible player installed, or something like that Media Player Connectivity plug-in for firefox does this, however it's method creates a black panel where the media is usually displayed. When you then click the black area the appropriate media player launch's and plays your video. I actually prefer this method as I think videos should be played in video players not in web pages. Media Player Connectivity https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446 Perhaps those looking for the window codecs to work out of the box should try Linspire for their next distribution, as Linspires recent deal with Microsoft will provide that functionality. Regards Lee " linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste" -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Mac wrote: > > This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I > wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our > own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the > remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our > efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, > flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in > several different versions of the same apps. > > The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly > or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. > I think you may have highlighted the (on of the ?) problem. I have three machines here. One upgraded from edgy, that has had every media player, codec, etc. known to man on it at one time or other. It now has problems with all sorts of media. The machine I did a clean install on back in may, just before feisty was officially released only has trouble with realplayer stuff in the main. The third machine is my 'try it - wipe it - reinstall' machine. I've gone the medibuntu route on that and have know problems with the beeb or GMTV. SteVe -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
it might be worth creating some sort of firefox plugin for linux that detects streams and checks if there is a compatible player installed, or something like that regards, On 04/07/07, Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Rowson wrote: > > I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been > > discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working > > properly. > > > > This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to > > Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site > > and have it running in their browser straight away. > > > > It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I > > think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting > > sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a > > system configuration to sort out the problems. > > > > Anyone interested? > > > > Chris > > > > Hi folks >>> Lke Chris, I've been following this with interest, too. > And I've been experimenting in parallel with Alan. > > I set up realplay a while ago (can't remember how, but do remember > it was a tortuous and frustrating business). I discover - shadowing > Alan - that the GMTV site streams Real video immediately, with no > trouble at all; but BBC will only work if I select 'stand alone player'. > > This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I > wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our > own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the > remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our > efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, > flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in > several different versions of the same apps. > > The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly > or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. > > As you say, Chris, this is a recipe for nightmares plus a hasty > retreat to Windows for many non tech-savvy folk trying Ubuntu for the > first time. (Quicktime is another story - I know: not Ubuntu's fault; > but a pain for many previously used to playing an > almost-industry-standard format.) > > So - until the developers get this sorted - if we were able to > provide an authoritative, up-to-date guide to setting up embedded media, > we'd be doing a great service. (But it might be a seriously big job!) > > > Mac > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > -- Matthew G Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > +44(0)7739 785 249 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Chris Rowson wrote: > I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been > discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working > properly. > > This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to > Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site > and have it running in their browser straight away. > > It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I > think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting > sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a > system configuration to sort out the problems. > > Anyone interested? > > Chris > Hi folks >>> Lke Chris, I've been following this with interest, too. And I've been experimenting in parallel with Alan. I set up realplay a while ago (can't remember how, but do remember it was a tortuous and frustrating business). I discover - shadowing Alan - that the GMTV site streams Real video immediately, with no trouble at all; but BBC will only work if I select 'stand alone player'. This is very curious. I'm not sure it's simply a sites issue; I wonder if the inconsistent symptoms we observe aren't partly due to our own particular combinations of conflicts between various players, or the remnants of various players, that we've installed and uninstalled in our efforts to get embedded media working - totem, xine, mplayer, realplay, flash, all sorts of plugins and goodness knows what else, sometimes in several different versions of the same apps. The existence of layers of accumulated HowTos - many of them partly or completely out of date - adds to the chaos. As you say, Chris, this is a recipe for nightmares plus a hasty retreat to Windows for many non tech-savvy folk trying Ubuntu for the first time. (Quicktime is another story - I know: not Ubuntu's fault; but a pain for many previously used to playing an almost-industry-standard format.) So - until the developers get this sorted - if we were able to provide an authoritative, up-to-date guide to setting up embedded media, we'd be doing a great service. (But it might be a seriously big job!) Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Making embedded media work properly
Hi Folks, I have been reading with interest the various threads which have been discussing problems with getting embedded media on websites working properly. This IMO is one of the blockers for switching non tech-savvy people to Ubuntu. They simply want to click on a realplayer link on the BBC site and have it running in their browser straight away. It seems like there are a couple of other sites with issues too (I think GMTV was mentioned) and I wondered if it'd be worth documenting sites with issues, and figuring out what changes need to be made to a system configuration to sort out the problems. Anyone interested? Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Viewing GM TV stuff - media player?
Has anyone got any better function please? > -- > alan cocks > Kubuntu user#10391 > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ Sure, I tried it and I got it to work :-). What appears to be flash at the start, seems to just be a preloader for the video. It doesn't work because the settings are set to Windows Media Player. If you install realplayer, restart your browser then on the video screen click the settings button you can choose Real Media 56k or 300K. Once you have selected the Real Media setting click play and it should play fine ;-). You will need the realplayer plugin in the the browser too (which installs by default I think). Regards Lee -- " linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste" -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Viewing GM TV stuff - media player?
alan c wrote: > With much appreciated help here I can see bbc video using mediaplayer. > > GM TV site is also of interest > http://www.gm.tv/ > and it looks at first as if a video clip (such as the weather) would > play, but it does not actually play, the initial still image just remains. > > Has anyone got any better function please? > My first thought was that a player for the flash mime-type isn't established during MediaPlayerConnectivity's initial set-up. Indeed, if you click Tools > MediaPlayerConnectivity > Open: swf, it returns the error: Video Player undefined for this type of media (check Tools menu, MediaPlayerConnectivity...) application/x-shockwave-flash But unfortunately the clip doesn't work in Opera or Seamonkey either... Think of it as a small price to pay for not seeing Lorraine interviewing Vladimir Putin. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Viewing GM TV stuff - media player?
Nope - clicking on either the big play button 'on-screen' (as it were), or the button underneath, does nothing. Other flash stuff works for me, but this seems not to. Strange. Josh On 7/4/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With much appreciated help here I can see bbc video using mediaplayer. GM TV site is also of interest http://www.gm.tv/ and it looks at first as if a video clip (such as the weather) would play, but it does not actually play, the initial still image just remains. Has anyone got any better function please? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Josh Blacker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Viewing GM TV stuff - media player?
With much appreciated help here I can see bbc video using mediaplayer. GM TV site is also of interest http://www.gm.tv/ and it looks at first as if a video clip (such as the weather) would play, but it does not actually play, the initial still image just remains. Has anyone got any better function please? -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video (sigh)
alan c wrote: > alan c wrote: >> Michael wrote: >>> alan c wrote: [...] >>> Whilst not brilliantly elegant, one solution is to use the >>> MediaPlayerConnectivity extension >>> (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446). In the set-up >>> wizard's drop-down menu entry for RealMedia, change the setting to >>> "realplay (/usr/bin)". >>> >>> Having selected the required link, the familiar BBC embedded player >>> window appears. Click on the icon and the link will open in RealPlayer. >> >> thanks it could be a useful option - but in my machine I get sound >> from realplayer just now, and no picture. Maybe my realplayer >> environment has been disturbed by the other actions in this thread? > > sorted ok. > I seemed to have realplayer installed twice in different places and > after doing some cl renaming to '-old' and restarting the machine, and > checking through the sound system, I get sound and video when using > the connectivity plugin Great, thanks. > > (When real player windows starts, I see a couple of realplay icons in > it not just one, so maybe I still have some duplication somewhere). whoops. Spoke too soon, there is unpredictability here, sometimes sound only sometimes vision only, although both can be got after some various (not yet systematic) actions. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Start afresh with RealPlayer?
What is a good method of cleaning out realplayer? I have installed realplayer at least twice in this machine (kubuntu 7.04), and have tried to remove the instance of one of the installs. However I think I have not properly cleaned up. So I am considering to clean it our completely and reinstall only once. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video (sigh)
alan c wrote: > alan c wrote: > >> Michael wrote: >> >>> alan c wrote: >>> I am happy to say that a neighbour of mine is using Kubuntu. I helped choose the new machine (dell basic desktop) and set it all up, dual boot. The neighbour trusts my judgement and the fact that I use it (and not windows) and I can help with the PC anyway. However this is a certain type of situation. They are an ordinary very non-technical PC user, with broadband for the first time, happy to use Kubuntu (7.04) because I recommend it but are surrounded by most friends and family who all use windows as you might expect. My real concern is that I am unable to configure the machine to 'just work' for the obvious internet tit-bits of video such as bbc video, ITV and Cannel 4 stuff - in fact most mainstream web page video stuff. Firefox is the important browser here - it is used in windows and Kubuntu, and their friends and family can (and should) be using firefox in windows. So I want to focus on firefox. Normal web browsing. Click on a link and video window should open and play. My own internet use does not usually include such things apart from an occasional BBC Click program, and anyway *I* am content to see 1) non functioning firefox player window, then 2) click on 'use standalone player' and then 3) see a download window then 4) to have a realplayer window open, and then 5) manually resize it... but I know this will seem complicated and even a bit scary for this neighbour, even if they can remember it all. They are likely of course to just use windows and decry kubuntu. :-( I see in the ubuntu forums that there is a lot about firefox and bbc realplayer streams, but I did not see an actual solution I could use. To summarise - I am looking for specifically firefox and (as example) specifically BBC. My task is to get firefox working elegantly for such things. I will need to get my own machine going ok for this first, then the dell. I would be most grateful for help in this. tia >>> Whilst not brilliantly elegant, one solution is to use the >>> MediaPlayerConnectivity extension >>> (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446). In the set-up >>> wizard's drop-down menu entry for RealMedia, change the setting to >>> "realplay (/usr/bin)". >>> >>> Having selected the required link, the familiar BBC embedded player >>> window appears. Click on the icon and the link will open in RealPlayer. >>> >> thanks it could be a useful option - but in my machine I get sound >> from realplayer just now, and no picture. Maybe my realplayer >> environment has been disturbed by the other actions in this thread? >> > > sorted ok. > I seemed to have realplayer installed twice in different places and > after doing some cl renaming to '-old' and restarting the machine, and > checking through the sound system, I get sound and video when using > the connectivity plugin Great, thanks. > > (When real player windows starts, I see a couple of realplay icons in > it not just one, so maybe I still have some duplication somewhere). > I remember reading somewhere that there's a repackaged version of mplayer specifically *without* realmedia support. Another alternative would be to remove the offending plugin file (mplayerplug-in-rm.so) manually from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
Mark Harrison wrote: > I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude. > > I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and > why)? Hello, Mark. I use the command-line "aptitude" to install/reinstall/remove packages because it's much better at resolving conflicts and dependencies than "apt-get" or Synaptic. In particular, I frequently use an 'empty': aptitude -f install To make sure the APT database is consistent. However, "aptitude" is difficult to use interactively - I find packages with Synaptic or: aptitude search name Where: name is all or part of a package name > Oh, and I guess that Synaptic users are welcome to contribute as well, > though I don't have a GUI on the bulk of my Ubuntu machines, so it's not > an option for me :-) No GUI? - OK, you pass the 'real' hacker test ;-) Best wishes, Tony. -- Dr. A.J.Travis, | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Rowett Research Institute, |http://www.rri.sari.ac.uk/~ajt Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, | phone:+44 (0)1224 712751 Aberdeen AB21 9SB, Scotland, UK.| fax:+44 (0)1224 716687 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
Mark Harrison wrote: > I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and > why)? I've been using aptitude for a while now. I seem to remember reading somewhere (Debian Sarge upgrade notes?) that it's recommended over apt-get now because of its improved dependency handling. The interactive version is also very useful. That said, I don't think it has an equivalent to apt-get source, so in that instance I still use apt-get. JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
I'm sure that the best feature of aptitude is the minesweeper game :) On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 11:39 +0100, Kirrus wrote: > I tend to use apt-get for small, quick programs.. and aptitude for anything > bigger. I tend to use aptitudes' text-based graphical interface for sorting > out any dependency issues caused by dist-upgrades etc... (eg. edgy to fiesty). > > (Type in "aptitude" or "sudo aptitude" into the command line, and it will > launch a text-based graphical interface. _very_ useful for remote > ssh-accessed servers and PCs!) > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "British Ubuntu Talk" > Sent: 04 July 2007 11:29:11 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London > Subject: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude > > I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude. > > I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and > why)? > > > Oh, and I guess that Synaptic users are welcome to contribute as well, > though I don't have a GUI on the bulk of my Ubuntu machines, so it's not > an option for me :-) > > M. > > -- > ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk > https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ > > -- Andrew Gee [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.webspot.co.uk | http://www.papermark.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
I tend to use apt-get for small, quick programs.. and aptitude for anything bigger. I tend to use aptitudes' text-based graphical interface for sorting out any dependency issues caused by dist-upgrades etc... (eg. edgy to fiesty). (Type in "aptitude" or "sudo aptitude" into the command line, and it will launch a text-based graphical interface. _very_ useful for remote ssh-accessed servers and PCs!) - Original Message - From: "Mark Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" Sent: 04 July 2007 11:29:11 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude. I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and why)? Oh, and I guess that Synaptic users are welcome to contribute as well, though I don't have a GUI on the bulk of my Ubuntu machines, so it's not an option for me :-) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
Mark, Mark Harrison wrote: > I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude. > > I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and > why)? I tend to use aptitude these days. It seems to be a bit better at resolving conflicts and will remove stuff no longer used. I thought I also read somewhere that Debian now recommend it over apt-get. Regards, Tony. -- Tony Arnold, IT Security Coordinator, University of Manchester, IT Services Division, Kilburn Building, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL. T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED], H: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
Mark, I tend to run apt-get if I know the package I wish to install, and it's not got many dependencies. If I'm doing a big upgrade, or installing something that has multiple dependencies and I want more packages, I tend to use aptitude. I'm not sure if this is in any way reflected in the differences between the two - but I find that taking this approach works for me - when I have the time to look deeper into the differences I'm sure I'll find out I've been doing something terribly wrong... Regards, Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: "Mark Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" Sent: 04 July 2007 11:29:11 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude. I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and why)? Oh, and I guess that Synaptic users are welcome to contribute as well, though I don't have a GUI on the bulk of my Ubuntu machines, so it's not an option for me :-) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude
I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude. I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and why)? Oh, and I guess that Synaptic users are welcome to contribute as well, though I don't have a GUI on the bulk of my Ubuntu machines, so it's not an option for me :-) M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Studio (was BBC/Firefox etc.)
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007, Sean Miller wrote: > Is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to Ubuntu Studio $ apt-cache search ubuntu studio ubuntustudio-audio - Ubuntu Studio Audio Package ubuntustudio-audio-plugins - Ubuntu Studio audio plugins Package ubuntustudio-graphics - Ubuntu Studio graphics Package ubuntustudio-icon-theme - UbuntuStudio Icon theme ubuntustudio-video - Ubuntu Studio video Package ubuntustudiolauncher - Music applications launcher You should be able to just install one-or-more of the 'ubuntustudio-*' packages from Synaptic. Happy creating, -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Helsinki, FI -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video (sigh)
alan c wrote: > Michael wrote: >> alan c wrote: >>> I am happy to say that a neighbour of mine is using Kubuntu. I helped >>> choose the new machine (dell basic desktop) and set it all up, dual >>> boot. The neighbour trusts my judgement and the fact that I use it >>> (and not windows) and I can help with the PC anyway. >>> >>> However this is a certain type of situation. They are an ordinary very >>> non-technical PC user, with broadband for the first time, happy to use >>> Kubuntu (7.04) because I recommend it but are surrounded by most >>> friends and family who all use windows as you might expect. >>> >>> My real concern is that I am unable to configure the machine to 'just >>> work' for the obvious internet tit-bits of video such as bbc video, >>> ITV and Cannel 4 stuff - in fact most mainstream web page video stuff. >>> >>> Firefox is the important browser here - it is used in windows and >>> Kubuntu, and their friends and family can (and should) be using >>> firefox in windows. So I want to focus on firefox. Normal web >>> browsing. Click on a link and video window should open and play. >>> >>> My own internet use does not usually include such things apart from an >>> occasional BBC Click program, and anyway *I* am content to see 1) non >>> functioning firefox player window, then 2) click on 'use standalone >>> player' and then 3) see a download window then 4) to have a realplayer >>> window open, and then 5) manually resize it... but I know this >>> will seem complicated and even a bit scary for this neighbour, even if >>> they can remember it all. They are likely of course to just use >>> windows and decry kubuntu. :-( >>> >>> I see in the ubuntu forums that there is a lot about firefox and bbc >>> realplayer streams, but I did not see an actual solution I could use. >>> >>> To summarise - I am looking for specifically firefox and (as example) >>> specifically BBC. >>> >>> My task is to get firefox working elegantly for such things. I will >>> need to get my own machine going ok for this first, then the dell. >>> I would be most grateful for help in this. >>> tia >>> >> Whilst not brilliantly elegant, one solution is to use the >> MediaPlayerConnectivity extension >> (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446). In the set-up >> wizard's drop-down menu entry for RealMedia, change the setting to >> "realplay (/usr/bin)". >> >> Having selected the required link, the familiar BBC embedded player >> window appears. Click on the icon and the link will open in RealPlayer. > > thanks it could be a useful option - but in my machine I get sound > from realplayer just now, and no picture. Maybe my realplayer > environment has been disturbed by the other actions in this thread? sorted ok. I seemed to have realplayer installed twice in different places and after doing some cl renaming to '-old' and restarting the machine, and checking through the sound system, I get sound and video when using the connectivity plugin Great, thanks. (When real player windows starts, I see a couple of realplay icons in it not just one, so maybe I still have some duplication somewhere). -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Studio (was BBC/Firefox etc.)
Hi Sean, On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 08:01 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: > Alan Pope wrote: > > Add the medibuntu repo as per these instructions - this is so you can > > install the necessary codecs. > > http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php > > > > > Is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to Ubuntu Studio from the > command line, btw? Or is it a case of having to re-install from scratch? Hmm. Not sure I'd call going from Ubuntu Feisty to Ubuntu Studio an "upgrade", more a cross-grade similar to going from Ubuntu to Kubuntu. As I understand it you can install various ubuntu-studio meta packages which pull in the necessary stuff. Of course this is detailed in their documentation:- http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads Under the section "Ubuntu Studio Repository". Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Studio (was BBC/Firefox etc.)
Alan Pope wrote: > Add the medibuntu repo as per these instructions - this is so you can > install the necessary codecs. > http://www.medibuntu.org/repository.php > > Is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to Ubuntu Studio from the command line, btw? Or is it a case of having to re-install from scratch? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
