[ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users
I promise, I'm not trolling! I've been moving users across from Windows to Linux for a while now, with - on the large - reasonable success. Because I use Gnome, and don't have much experience of using KDE, I've just always installed Ubuntu by default and not really given Kubuntu the time of day. Lately, I've demonstrated Ubuntu to some real computer novices who've commented why is the start button at the top, and why are there two bars at the top and bottom of the screen, who have then shaken their heads in disapproval at this deviation from the Windows norm! Kubuntu, I notice is much more similar to the interface they know and love, so it'd make sense that it'd be the best choice for migrating users from Windows. Is this true? Should I try using Kubuntu as novice users first Linux distro? Comments? Chris. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty
Yep, it's a strange one. People install all sorts of software on their Windows machines and yet I bet this wouldn't void the warranty. I'd be interested to read the *actual* warranty that came with the machine. Cracked screen hinge or not, I guess if it's in the warranty then it's in the warranty. Philip/. For anyoone in this position, a check with the trading standards reveals that while it is legal to put anything you like in a warranty, it doesn't mean it's legal to uphold. In this case, the fact is that PCW have a policy that requires Windows to be the only OS installed. The goods have a material defect not one which cannot be attributed to installed software. I've been following this quite closely and I have to say that I'm inclined to believe it's FUD. When it was posted on Slashdot one tof the replies was from a Curry's (part of the same group as PC World) area manager who asked the poster to contact him directly. I can't help but wonder if this is in fact more to do with how the case was cracked rather than the software installed. Dougie Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.lynxworks.eu/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How do kernel builds etc determine the UUID of the root partition?
From: Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] You missed a spot in menu.lst. See the # kopt= line I did! (yes, it looks like a comment; don't uncomment it, just edit the root= bit). Indeed it does, which is probably how I missed it. Thanks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users
On 9/15/07, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I promise, I'm not trolling! It's unavoidable when you mention KDE and GNOME in the same email :) Lately, I've demonstrated Ubuntu to some real computer novices who've commented why is the start button at the top, and why are there two bars at the top and bottom of the screen, who have then shaken their heads in disapproval at this deviation from the Windows norm! Happens to me too :) Kubuntu, I notice is much more similar to the interface they know and love, so it'd make sense that it'd be the best choice for migrating users from Windows. Is this true? Should I try using Kubuntu as novice users first Linux distro? I tried this with my Dad, also after thinking Kubuntu would better suit a Windows user. A week later I was installing Ubuntu, with GNOME, over the top. Some of KDE's quirks got on his nerves a bit. He has been happy with GNOME (despite being a Windows user (*developer*) for most of his life, and reluctant to learn anything else). Comments? Also on the family PC I installed Xubuntu, which, when the menu is moved to the lower left, and renamed Start, most barely noticed any change (already used to FF and OpenOffice). GNOME does not allow you to set any text for the single-icon main menu. Xfce is simple, clean, and quite fast. The only problem is (well, when I last used it, Edgy) it lacks all the supporting apps that Ubuntu/GNOME has. For example until Edgy, it was required to install GNOME's printer manager to add a printer using a GUI. Still, it is definitely worth a look so you can see for yourself. Matthew. PS. I have been laughed at for being both a developer and a GNOME user. To each his own! :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users
definitely worth a look so you can see for yourself. Matthew. I thought that might be worth a bash Matthew, I've just installed Kubuntu Gutsy Tribe 5 to see what all of the fuss is about. In the past I've only tried installing kubuntu-desktop over the top of gnome. First impressions are that menus seem more cluttered, but I've got to say I'm not minding it so far. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15/09/2007, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: definitely worth a look so you can see for yourself. Matthew. I thought that might be worth a bash Matthew, I've just installed Kubuntu Gutsy Tribe 5 to see what all of the fuss is about. In the past I've only tried installing kubuntu-desktop over the top of gnome. First impressions are that menus seem more cluttered, but I've got to say I'm not minding it so far. I think this is definitely one for personal preference. I think that Kubuntu and kde have a lot to offer. However I personally prefer gnome. This isn't because I'm some numpty like some people would insist but because it works the way I expect it to. This is definitely a suck and see situation. Personally I recommend the Ubuntu family and tell people to check out the screen shots and see which they prefer. - -- Seek That Thy Might Know -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFG7CrkX4FYB1hgGOIRAtP4AJ9ryl22gsIZAUzBQYTSie28+3937gCfSxQm avLjzZznvDMtO19tewqM0OE= =mJaI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty
Doesn't PCW supply ready installed Linux too? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Philip Newborough Sent: 14 September 2007 22:08 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty Yep, it's a strange one. People install all sorts of software on their Windows machines and yet I bet this wouldn't void the warranty. I'd be interested to read the *actual* warranty that came with the machine. Cracked screen hinge or not, I guess if it's in the warranty then it's in the warranty. Philip/. On 9/14/07, Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Just saw a story on Google News. According to the story PC world refused to repair someone's laptop because he had put Linux on it thus voiding his warranty. http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/09/13/pc-world-refuses-hardware-f ault-repair-because-of-linux/ The odd thing, the fault was a cracked hinge on the screen of the laptop. This is what we are up against people! Large Companies actively trying to prevent people installing software such as Gnu/Linux. I would strongly recommend anyone think twice about buying from PC World. Any company who thinks that software could have caused that kind of hardware failure are probably not the best people to buy computer equipment off. Andy -- Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty
On Saturday 15 September 2007 20:37:34 Ian Pascoe wrote: Doesn't PCW supply ready installed Linux too? Not that I've noticed, it's either Windows Vista or Mac in my local store. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users
I think this is definitely one for personal preference. I think that Kubuntu and kde have a lot to offer. However I personally prefer gnome. This isn't because I'm some numpty like some people would insist but because it works the way I expect it to. This is definitely a suck and see situation. Personally I recommend the Ubuntu family and tell people to check out the screen shots and see which they prefer. So far I'm finding KDE seems to be a bit more responsive and erm... sharper than gnome, but it doesn't seem to be as solid. I've found myself experiencing more application crashes in kde although as I'm using the tribe 5 release of 7.10 it could be because of that. There seem to be more options for configuration in KDE, but I'm not so sure that new users would use them, and that they may get a bit tied up in them. Gnome layout seems a bit more sane, and I imagine it makes more sense to a new user. The voyage of discovery continues! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty
On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 12:11 +0100, Dougie Richardson wrote: Yep, it's a strange one. People install all sorts of software on their Windows machines and yet I bet this wouldn't void the warranty. I'd be interested to read the *actual* warranty that came with the machine. Cracked screen hinge or not, I guess if it's in the warranty then it's in the warranty. Philip/. For anyoone in this position, a check with the trading standards reveals that while it is legal to put anything you like in a warranty, it doesn't mean it's legal to uphold. The register says PCWorld have confirmed it was an over-critical employee and it is the policy of PCWorld to support what they have sold you. PCWorld have also confirmed that they will fix the unit in question. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/13/pc_world_linux/ -- Tristan Wibberley Any opinion expressed is mine (or else I'm playing devils advocate for the sake of a good argument). My employer had nothing to do with this communication. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
