Re: [ubuntu-uk] Big Updates
Mark Fraser wrote: On Sunday 21 October 2007 07:59:17 Stephen Garton wrote: Same here too, think it's got something to do with still having deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-proposed restricted main multiverse universe in /etc/apt/sources.list Ah, that could be it, cheers. -- Steve Garton www.sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Niggling wireless issue
On 10/20/07, David Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting. On my X31 (great laptop) the Fn-F5 combo does nothing, I have read that it should operate the bluetooth adapter - I have to switch it manually if it should get turned off by accident. I don't have the standard wireless card though, this could account for the differences. Tom Ah, you must have a slight different model of the X31, as mines doesn't have bluetooth. My Thinkpad R50 has both wireless and bluetooth and the Fn+F5 key is supposed to cycle though all the on/off possibilities for both, but with Ubuntu it only seems to turn the bluetooth on and off not the wireless (though I haven't tested this in Gutsy yet.) Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ My laptop's an old Dell Inspiron 6000, Fn+F2 in Windows switches wireless on and off, just tried it in Ubuntu and it sent the wireless signal strength meter (cmon, you know what I mean) down to 0% until I pressed it again, but apparently wireless is still enabled and I don't lose the connection - odd! How do I send commands to /proc to turn wireless on? Cheers, -- Josh Blacker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Tesco Selling Ubuntu 6.06 Machines - Good value.
Maybe someone should actually mention esys are making the pcs and laptops: http://www.esysglobal.com/contents/products/epc-with-linux.html#laptop http://www.esysglobal.com/contents/products/epc-with-linux.html These are selling in Tesco, Asda and PC World, or at least the brand is, don't know whether or not they would sell linux in store has anyone seen that? Regards, Daniel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Douglas Sent: 21 October 2007 12:04 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Tesco Selling Ubuntu 6.06 Machines - Good value. http://direct.tesco.com/search/default.aspx?search=esys http://direct.tesco.com/search/default.aspx?search=esysconfirm.x=0confirm .y=0 confirm.x=0confirm.y=0 It seems that Tesco has started selling Ubuntu machines, at a respectable price. Maybe something like this should be mentioned somewhere, it's as good as dell doing the same thing.. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy,evolution problems
Yeah using pop3 so no real reasons for it being slow, what specs are your machine? Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Holloway Sent: 21 October 2007 12:24 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy,evolution problems On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 11:38 +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote: Ok, then its almost freezing going into the address book which is weird. Anyone with any ideas? Daniel Are you using evolution-exchange? I know there are problems with that... waiting ten minutes for something to happen. Unfortunately, i dont know of a solution. If you are using IMAP/POP3 then i would also say that its running quickly and smoothly for me! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy,evolution problems
AMD 3800x2 2GB... more than enough to run an email client :) For what its worth though, i am running in KDE... not that that should make a difference. On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 12:30 +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote: Yeah using pop3 so no real reasons for it being slow, what specs are your machine? Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Holloway Sent: 21 October 2007 12:24 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy,evolution problems On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 11:38 +0100, Daniel Lamb wrote: Ok, then its almost freezing going into the address book which is weird. Anyone with any ideas? Daniel Are you using evolution-exchange? I know there are problems with that... waiting ten minutes for something to happen. Unfortunately, i dont know of a solution. If you are using IMAP/POP3 then i would also say that its running quickly and smoothly for me! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Alternative Article for Local Press
Following on from Chris's post last week, I decided to have a bash at writing one myself. Nothing wrong with Chris's, but I wanted to put a slightly different spin on it. Copy follows: An Alternative to Windows? By Ian Pascoe, Ubuntu UK Loco Team Member Anyone reading this article will more than likely have heard of Microsoft and their Windows desktop. If you are involved with being more creative with your computer, you may well have heard of the Apple Mac, but have you ever heard of either Ubuntu or Linux? No? Im not surprised as these are the new kids on the block and having made in roads into the professional server market, are now beginning to move into the consumer market. Well known computer suppliers Dell now offer desktops and laptops with Ubuntu installed as an alternative to Windows, together with other less well known vendors. Why should I bother with Ubuntu or Linux as my computer works perfectly well with its current Microsoft installation? The short answer is, as long as it works, theres no real need to change unless of course you are looking to move to the latest incarnation of Microsofts Windows, and you are having to try and justify the cost for the new Vista desktop, or maybe., you have so many viruses and spyware on your computer that you gave up trying to use it for anything other than the most simple tasks ages ago. There are lots of other reasons too. Interested? Well, here are some of those other reasons. Firstly, because of Linuxs ancestory it is considerably more secure than Microsofts Windows. Secondly, Linux, Ubuntu, and the other thousands of other various projects operate as a world wide community of individuals, and generally are not corporately controlled. Thirdly, you have the choice to choose what you want. Fourthly, 95% or better of what you can do on Microsoft or Apple you can do on Linux, and in some areas, it can only be done on Linux. Lastly, almost everything within the Linux community does not place any hardship on your wallet or purse or put another way, its free! Taking, for example, Microsofts latest Windows package Vista. If you currently have Windows already on your existing computer and you want to upgrade to Vista, it is highly likely that you will need to upgrade the computers hardware to enjoy the delights of its new Aero interface, as well as the cost of the Windows software upgrade. Now using Ubuntu, you can get the same effects as Vistas Aero interface without either the cost of upgrading your computer, or the additional fees for the Vista upgrade itself. You will have noticed that I have changed from Linux to Ubuntu the reason is that Linux can be thought of as the equivilant to Microsoft, and Ubuntu as the equivilant to Windows. What could you expect to get with Ubuntu? There are a number of different flavours of Ubuntu, for use in different situations, but all of those that are not targeted at specialist uses will have the basics of what most people need an Office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and database software, e-mail, web browsing, instant messaging, the ability to play DVDs and CDs watch and download music and videos, and even, when you get more experienced, the ability to run Windows applications as well! And lots, lots more. If you decide to take the plunge and have a look at Ubuntu, what do you do next? Well, the easiest thing to do is to either download , or send off for a Live CD. This CD contains everything described above and will run on most modern, and a few not so modern, computers, without interfering at all with whatevers on your computer at the moment. And if you decide you like it, you can then get it to install directly onto the computer without affecting anything else thats on there, as long as theres enough space for it on the Hard Disk. What do you do if you get stuck? Because, as I mentioned above, this is driven by the Linux and Ubuntu communitys, there are a number of different ways you can get help. Firstly, through your local Linux Users Group, or for Ubuntu specific problems and questions, there is a UK based Ubuntu team that can be contacted either through an e-mail list, web based forum, or IRC channel. For those who want it, there is also a subscription support service as well. If you want to do some more research, the nbest place to start is at www.ubuntu.com, and this site will also enable you to obtain the Live CD. I'm still not 100% about the contents, but the Sunday roast is a-coming and I won't get chance to look at this again until later this evening. So any comments, will be appreciated! Ah, the smell of roast tatties here I come! E -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Alternative Article for Local Press
Ian Pascoe wrote: Following on from Chris's post last week, I decided to have a bash at writing one myself. Nothing wrong with Chris's, but I wanted to put a slightly different spin on it. Copy follows: An Alternative to Windows? By Ian Pascoe, Ubuntu UK Loco Team Member Anyone reading this article will more than likely have heard of Microsoft and their Windows desktop. If you are involved with being more creative with your computer, you may well have heard of the Apple Mac, but have you ever heard of either Ubuntu or Linux? No? I’m not surprised as these are the new kids on the block and having made in roads into the professional server market, are now beginning to move into the consumer market. Well known computer suppliers Dell now offer desktops and laptops with Ubuntu installed as an alternative to Windows, together with other less well known vendors. Why should I bother with Ubuntu or Linux as my computer works perfectly well with it’s current Microsoft installation? The short answer is, as long as it works, there’s no real need to change – unless of course you are looking to move to the latest incarnation of Microsoft’s Windows, and you are having to try and justify the cost for the new Vista desktop, or maybe., you have so many viruses and spyware on your computer that you gave up trying to use it for anything other than the most simple tasks ages ago. There are lots of other reasons too. Interested? Well, here are some of those other reasons. Firstly, because of Linux’s ancestory it is considerably more secure than Microsoft’s Windows. Secondly, Linux, Ubuntu, and the other thousands of other various projects operate as a world wide community of individuals, and generally are not corporately controlled. Thirdly, you have the choice to choose what you want. Fourthly, 95% or better of what you can do on Microsoft or Apple you can do on Linux, and in some areas, it can only be done on Linux. Lastly, almost everything within the Linux community does not place any hardship on your wallet or purse – or put another way, it’s free! Taking, for example, Microsoft’s latest Windows package Vista. If you currently have Windows already on your existing computer and you want to upgrade to Vista, it is highly likely that you will need to upgrade the computer’s hardware to enjoy the delights of it’s new Aero interface, as well as the cost of the Windows software upgrade. Now using Ubuntu, you can get the same effects as Vista’s Aero interface without either the cost of upgrading your computer, or the additional fees for the Vista upgrade itself. You will have noticed that I have changed from Linux to Ubuntu – the reason is that Linux can be thought of as the equivilant to Microsoft, and Ubuntu as the equivilant to Windows. What could you expect to get with Ubuntu? There are a number of different flavours of Ubuntu, for use in different situations, but all of those that are not targeted at specialist uses will have the basics of what most people need – an Office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and database software, e-mail, web browsing, instant messaging, the ability to play DVDs and CDs watch and download music and videos, and even, when you get more experienced, the ability to run Windows applications as well! And lots, lots more. If you decide to take the plunge and have a look at Ubuntu, what do you do next? Well, the easiest thing to do is to either download , or send off for a Live CD. This CD contains everything described above and will run on most modern, and a few not so modern, computers, without interfering at all with whatever’s on your computer at the moment. And if you decide you like it, you can then get it to install directly onto the computer without affecting anything else that’s on there, as long as there’s enough space for it on the Hard Disk. What do you do if you get stuck? Because, as I mentioned above, this is driven by the Linux and Ubuntu communitys, there are a number of different ways you can get help. Firstly, through your local Linux Users Group, or for Ubuntu specific problems and questions, there is a UK based Ubuntu team that can be contacted either through an e-mail list, web based forum, or IRC channel. For those who want it, there is also a subscription support service as well. If you want to do some more research, the nbest place to start is at www.ubuntu.com, and this site will also enable you to obtain the Live CD. I'm still not 100% about the contents, but the Sunday roast is a-coming and I won't get chance to look at this again until later this evening. So any comments, will be appreciated! Ah, the smell of roast tatties here I come! E You could think about maybe pointing people in the direction of the list of LUGs on the
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Alternative Article for Local Press
Hi Keith, On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 13:44 +0100, Keith Cleaver wrote: You could think about maybe pointing people in the direction of the list of LUGs on the UKLUG site (http://www.lug.org.uk/lugs/all.php) when you mention them, as that will allow people to find their local LUG easily. (I know the list isn't up-to-date, so is there a more recent one you could use?) Let the admins of lug.org.uk know and we can fix any errors or omissions. People almost never tell us when the details of a LUG changes, so it's unsurprising that the data becomes out of date. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] SIS 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display adapter
i have a laptop using the sis 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display adapter when it boots i get all these white lines and then the screen goes dark i've tried vga=normal and set vga=xxx various ones also tried video=sisfb:mode:800x600x24,mem:65536,rate:70 in grub and video=sisfb:mode=800x600x24,mem:65536,rate:70 all with no avail. any ideas ?? azmodie -- Umbrella Corporation :- They are the fear within all of that there is a company. The Corporation controlling everything that is Umbrella. A combination of Microsoft and the US Military. At some level there is a board of directors who meet once a month and decide all of our fates. -- Jeremy Bolt - Producer - Resident Evil : Apocalypse -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Alternative Article for Local Press
Yo Ian, nice article, my notes are in the quote: An Alternative to Windows? By Ian Pascoe, Ubuntu UK Loco Team Member Does anyone outside of us lot know what Loco means? Hows about something like Ubuntu UK representative or something Anyone reading this article will more than likely have heard of Microsoft and their Windows desktop. If you are involved with being more creative with your computer, you may well have heard of the Apple Mac, but have you ever heard of either Ubuntu or Linux? No? I'm not surprised as these are the new kids on the block Linux itself isn't new, but the desktop aspect is. Might also be worth mentioning what linux is used for and how exciting it is that this technology is coming to the desktop. and having made in roads into the professional server market, are now beginning to move into the consumer market. Well known computer suppliers Dell now offer desktops and laptops with Ubuntu installed as an alternative to Windows, together with other less well known vendors. Why should I bother with Ubuntu or Linux as my computer works perfectly well with it's current Microsoft installation? The short answer is, as long as it works, there's no real need to change hmm I dont think this sounds right. Is this article out to inform or convert? – unless of course you are looking to move to the latest incarnation of Microsoft's Windows, and you are having to try and justify the cost for the new Vista desktop, or maybe., you have so many viruses and spyware on your computer that you gave up trying to use it for anything other than the most simple tasks ages ago. There are lots of other reasons too. Interested? Well, here are some of those other reasons. Confusing: Does it predict I am interested or not? Firstly, because of Linux's ancestory it is considerably more secure than Microsoft's Windows. How / Why? Secondly, Linux, Ubuntu, and the other thousands of other various projects operate as a world wide community of individuals, and generally are not corporately controlled. Generally? Thirdly, you have the choice to choose what you want. Fourthly, 95% or better of what you can do on Microsoft or Apple you can do on Linux, and in some areas, it can only be done on Linux. Lastly, almost everything within the Linux community does not place any hardship on your wallet or purse – or put another way, it's free! I think it sounds better switched around: Lastly almost everything in the OSS community is free! Unlike Microsofts hardship on your wallet ... or something to that effect, it just sounds like your taking a long time to get to the point. Taking, for example, Microsoft's latest Windows package Vista. If you currently have Windows already on your existing computer and you want to upgrade to Vista, it is highly likely that you will need to upgrade the computer's hardware to enjoy the delights of it's new Aero interface, as well as the cost of the Windows software upgrade. Now using Ubuntu, you can get the same effects as Vista's Aero interface without either the cost of upgrading your computer, or the additional fees for the Vista upgrade itself. You will have noticed that I have changed from Linux to Ubuntu – the reason is that Linux can be thought of as the equivilant to Microsoft, and Ubuntu as the equivilant to Windows. It's starting to sound a little hand-holdy, maybe it might be better to put this section at the start of the article? What could you expect to get with Ubuntu? There are a number of different flavours of Ubuntu, for use in different situations, but all of those that are not targeted at specialist uses will have the basics of what most people need – an Office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and database software, e-mail, web browsing, instant messaging, the ability to play DVDs and CDs watch and download music and videos, and even, when you get more experienced, the ability to run Windows applications as well! And lots, lots more. If you decide to take the plunge and have a look at Ubuntu, what do you do next? Well, the easiest thing to do is to either download , or send off for a Live CD. This CD contains everything described above and will run on most modern, and a few not so modern, computers, without interfering at all with whatever's on your computer at the moment. And if you decide you like it, you can then get it to install directly onto the computer without affecting anything else that's on there, as long as there's enough space for it on the Hard Disk. What do you do if you get stuck? Because, as I mentioned above, this is driven by the Linux and Ubuntu communitys, there are a number of different ways you can get help. Firstly, through your local Linux Users Group, or for Ubuntu specific problems and questions, there is a UK based Ubuntu team that can be contacted either through an e-mail list, web based forum, or IRC channel. For
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Alternative Article for Local Press
On 21/10/2007, Ian Pascoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following on from Chris's post last week, I decided to have a bash at writing one myself. Nothing wrong with Chris's, but I wanted to put a slightly different spin on it. No problem at all mate. It's my intention to encourage people to write into their local magazines/papers, in any way they can :-D whether that means writing your own piece or using someone elses, it's all good. The article sounds pretty good Ian, It'll read a bit more fluently if you leave it a day or two, then read it back to yourself and jiggle the punctuation and grammar about a bit. That always helps me. If you'd like to, do you fancy putting your article on the wiki so that others can use it too mate? If you do, just create another row on the table here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKMarketing/ArticleForLocalMagazine and create a new page for your article. Cheers Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] An Alternative to Windows?
Interested? Well, here are some of those other reasons. Firstly, because of Linux?s ancestory it is considerably more secure than Microsoft?s Window I thought the article was excellent. I did notice one small spelling mistake, I wouldn't mention it but for the reason for writing the article. Ancestory should read ancestry. Sorry to be picky. Clare -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
IMPORTANT NOTE I am acting like a typical PR Flack in this. As far as I'm aware, NONE of the quotes I've made up for Alan have actually been said... Normal practice with PR stuff is for the PR flack to make them up, then ask the person being quoted if that's OK :-) ANOTHER IMPORTANT NOTE This is deliberately aimed at people who DON'T know much about computers. You may wince at some of the things I say... but now imagine that you didn't care about IT, and see whether it sounds compelling :-) NOTE 3: I'm also deliberately making it a future event, so it feels like new to be reported on, rather than same old, same old. London, 21st October 2007 The UK Ubuntu community is pleased to announce that, effective from 1st November, it will be offering free technical support to users of selected Tescos PC, at centres up and down the country. The PCs in question run Ubuntu, a free alternative to Microsoft Windows, including both office software (word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program) as well as tools for Internet surfing and home users. Alan Pope, the recently elected Point of Contact for the UK community explains the benefits: This is dramatically reducing the price that people are paying for PCs. Ubuntu is a great alternative to Microsoft Windows for web users. We understand that Tescos chose it, not just on price, but because they found it to be less prone to virus attacks. Until now, the software has only been available from web-based retailers such as Dell, or for download, but most people with Windows pre-installed on a PC haven't seen the need to change. Mark Harrison, an IT Director based in Sussex, explains. With a copy of Vista coming in at about £180 from PC World, you can see why people want to stick with what they've already paid for rather than change. However, with Tesco now selling a PC base unit at under £140, it's an ideal solution for people who've already got a monitor, but need a faster PC to cope with broadband. Support has been the problem though, since most people are familiar with the Microsoft software. This is where the Ubuntu community comes in. Pope adds: What we're doing is offering free support to everyone with Ubuntu... whether they downloaded it for themselves, or bought it with a Dell or Tesco PC. We've teamed up with the local Linux User Groups to provide face-to-face support on Ubuntu up and down the UK, ideal for people who don't like the idea of trying to get support over the Internet. Press Contact: Presumably Alan, presumably a special page on the Wiki about where people can get help (just a link to the LUGs) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] An Alternative to Windows?
I thought the article was excellent. I agree, I couldn't do it. I am not creative but I can, if required, do a reasonable editing job. I did notice one small spelling mistake, I wouldn't mention it but for the reason for writing the article. Ancestory should read ancestry. Sorry to be picky. May I add another one to the list 'equivilant' surely 'equivalent'. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
Hi Dougie, On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 20:24 +0100, Dougie Richardson wrote: I agree with this, although I'm not aware of the distribution of members of the group, if this was to prove popular then there are two problems: 1. How would the cost of travel be covered? I'm all for volunteering but not if it starts to cost my significantly in expenses. There is nothing that says we have to do site visits at all. Free support could be via the traditional methods such as forums, irc and mailing list. If you built a relationship with a customer and said you would like to make a site visit and charge them for that then that's entirely up to you. 2. How would Canonical feel about this? Essentially we would be reducing their oppertunity for any kind of commercial support option that might be considered in conjunction with Tesco. But we already _do_ provide such support. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~alanpope There for example you can see some support questions I have either commented on or answered. This is free. This is support. This is already by far the most active mailing list that I subscribe to and would not care to see a significant increase in traffic. Why not a forum as there is for Dell? We have one:- http://uk.ubuntuforums.org/ Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Niggling wireless issue
On 10/21/07, Josh Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/20/07, David Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting. On my X31 (great laptop) the Fn-F5 combo does nothing, I have read that it should operate the bluetooth adapter - I have to switch it manually if it should get turned off by accident. I don't have the standard wireless card though, this could account for the differences. Tom Ah, you must have a slight different model of the X31, as mines doesn't have bluetooth. My Thinkpad R50 has both wireless and bluetooth and the Fn+F5 key is supposed to cycle though all the on/off possibilities for both, but with Ubuntu it only seems to turn the bluetooth on and off not the wireless (though I haven't tested this in Gutsy yet.) Dave -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ My laptop's an old Dell Inspiron 6000, Fn+F2 in Windows switches wireless on and off, just tried it in Ubuntu and it sent the wireless signal strength meter (cmon, you know what I mean) down to 0% until I pressed it again, but apparently wireless is still enabled and I don't lose the connection - odd! How do I send commands to /proc to turn wireless on? Cheers, -- Josh Blacker I checked my BIOS settings and for some reason wireless was set by default to be 'off' on boot up, so I changed this. Hopefully this will cause no more problems! -- Josh Blacker -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
On 10/21/07, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMPORTANT NOTE I am acting like a typical PR Flack in this. As far as I'm aware, NONE of the quotes I've made up for Alan have actually been said... Normal practice with PR stuff is for the PR flack to make them up, then ask the person being quoted if that's OK :-) ANOTHER IMPORTANT NOTE This is deliberately aimed at people who DON'T know much about computers. You may wince at some of the things I say... but now imagine that you didn't care about IT, and see whether it sounds compelling :-) NOTE 3: I'm also deliberately making it a future event, so it feels like new to be reported on, rather than same old, same old. London, 21st October 2007 The UK Ubuntu community is pleased to announce that, effective from 1st November, it will be offering free technical support to users of selected Tescos PC, at centres up and down the country. The PCs in question run Ubuntu, a free alternative to Microsoft Windows, including both office software (word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program) as well as tools for Internet surfing and home users. Alan Pope, the recently elected Point of Contact for the UK community explains the benefits: This is dramatically reducing the price that people are paying for PCs. Ubuntu is a great alternative to Microsoft Windows for web users. We understand that Tescos chose it, not just on price, but because they found it to be less prone to virus attacks. Until now, the software has only been available from web-based retailers such as Dell, or for download, but most people with Windows pre-installed on a PC haven't seen the need to change. Mark Harrison, an IT Director based in Sussex, explains. With a copy of Vista coming in at about £180 from PC World, you can see why people want to stick with what they've already paid for rather than change. However, with Tesco now selling a PC base unit at under £140, it's an ideal solution for people who've already got a monitor, but need a faster PC to cope with broadband. Support has been the problem though, since most people are familiar with the Microsoft software. This is where the Ubuntu community comes in. Pope adds: What we're doing is offering free support to everyone with Ubuntu... whether they downloaded it for themselves, or bought it with a Dell or Tesco PC. We've teamed up with the local Linux User Groups to provide face-to-face support on Ubuntu up and down the UK, ideal for people who don't like the idea of trying to get support over the Internet. Press Contact: Presumably Alan, presumably a special page on the Wiki about where people can get help (just a link to the LUGs) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I like the marketing frame on this, great idea! I have three suggestions to make it even better: 1) Ensure ASDA is in the press release too [http://www.asda-electricals.co.uk/shop/product/esys/linux.html] 2) Suggest we also point users to the forum and IRC, if they're not interested in face-to-face. 3) Describe at the end of the article how users can go about getting support. Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
Hi Alan, On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 20:35 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: There is nothing that says we have to do site visits at all. Free support could be via the traditional methods such as forums, irc and mailing list. If you built a relationship with a customer and said you would like to make a site visit and charge them for that then that's entirely up to you. Fair enough. I must admit that thanks to my ISP's new anti spam measures I may well have missed parts of this discussion. But we already _do_ provide such support. https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~alanpope There for example you can see some support questions I have either commented on or answered. This is free. This is support. That's of course true, however if we are saying we support Tesco customers with their new PC then we need realise that may new users may expect this support in the same manner as they would from Tesco. Such users would not necessarily be of the type that has made a conscious decision to go open source. While I think it's a great initiative I think we need to actually get a hold of one of these machines and check it out. We have one:- http://uk.ubuntuforums.org/ I know, but it is as prominant on the front page of the forums as Dell's support forum? Cheers, Dougie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
On 10/21/07, Kris Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/21/07, Mark Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMPORTANT NOTE I am acting like a typical PR Flack in this. As far as I'm aware, NONE of the quotes I've made up for Alan have actually been said... Normal practice with PR stuff is for the PR flack to make them up, then ask the person being quoted if that's OK :-) ANOTHER IMPORTANT NOTE This is deliberately aimed at people who DON'T know much about computers. You may wince at some of the things I say... but now imagine that you didn't care about IT, and see whether it sounds compelling :-) NOTE 3: I'm also deliberately making it a future event, so it feels like new to be reported on, rather than same old, same old. London, 21st October 2007 The UK Ubuntu community is pleased to announce that, effective from 1st November, it will be offering free technical support to users of selected Tescos PC, at centres up and down the country. The PCs in question run Ubuntu, a free alternative to Microsoft Windows, including both office software (word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program) as well as tools for Internet surfing and home users. Alan Pope, the recently elected Point of Contact for the UK community explains the benefits: This is dramatically reducing the price that people are paying for PCs. Ubuntu is a great alternative to Microsoft Windows for web users. We understand that Tescos chose it, not just on price, but because they found it to be less prone to virus attacks. Until now, the software has only been available from web-based retailers such as Dell, or for download, but most people with Windows pre-installed on a PC haven't seen the need to change. Mark Harrison, an IT Director based in Sussex, explains. With a copy of Vista coming in at about £180 from PC World, you can see why people want to stick with what they've already paid for rather than change. However, with Tesco now selling a PC base unit at under £140, it's an ideal solution for people who've already got a monitor, but need a faster PC to cope with broadband. Support has been the problem though, since most people are familiar with the Microsoft software. This is where the Ubuntu community comes in. Pope adds: What we're doing is offering free support to everyone with Ubuntu... whether they downloaded it for themselves, or bought it with a Dell or Tesco PC. We've teamed up with the local Linux User Groups to provide face-to-face support on Ubuntu up and down the UK, ideal for people who don't like the idea of trying to get support over the Internet. Press Contact: Presumably Alan, presumably a special page on the Wiki about where people can get help (just a link to the LUGs) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I like the marketing frame on this, great idea! I have three suggestions to make it even better: 1) Ensure ASDA is in the press release too [http://www.asda-electricals.co.uk/shop/product/esys/linux.html] 2) Suggest we also point users to the forum and IRC, if they're not interested in face-to-face. 3) Describe at the end of the article how users can go about getting support. Kris Ignore point 1), just re-read the ASDA link, and although it's an eSys, it doesn't come supplied with Ubuntu (it comes with Linux 9.3 - probably SuSE?) Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
Hi Kris, On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 20:49 +0100, Kris Marsh wrote: 1) Ensure ASDA is in the press release too [http://www.asda-electricals.co.uk/shop/product/esys/linux.html] Good plan. 2) Suggest we also point users to the forum and IRC, if they're not interested in face-to-face. Well, we already have this:- http://ubuntu-uk.org/ -- click Tech support. It takes you to:- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Support Which has a list of people willing to support, and their locations. We could of course embellish this page somewhat in anticipation of new people. How could it be improved? Fancy having a go at it? 3) Describe at the end of the article how users can go about getting support. I wouldn't do that in the press release. I'd just give them enough detail to find and contact us. We can then ascertain the best support method for them. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
Alan Pope wrote: Hi Mark, On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 19:53 +0100, Mark Harrison wrote: London, 21st October 2007 The UK Ubuntu community is pleased to announce that, effective from 1st November, it will be offering free technical support to users of selected Tescos PC, at centres up and down the country. LOVE this idea. The PCs in question run Ubuntu, a free alternative to Microsoft Windows, including both office software (word processor, spreadsheet and presentation program) as well as tools for Internet surfing and home users. Alan Pope, the recently elected Point of Contact for the UK community explains the benefits: This is dramatically reducing the price that people are paying for PCs. Ubuntu is a great alternative to Microsoft Windows for web users. We understand that Tescos chose it, not just on price, but because they found it to be less prone to virus attacks. There, now I've said it. What we're doing is offering free support to everyone with Ubuntu... whether they downloaded it for themselves, or bought it with a Dell or Tesco PC. We've teamed up with the local Linux User Groups to provide face-to-face support on Ubuntu up and down the UK, ideal for people who don't like the idea of trying to get support over the Internet. There, now I've said it. Press Contact: Presumably Alan, presumably a special page on the Wiki about where people can get help (just a link to the LUGs) I don't mind being a contact (that _is_ kinda my role :) ). Passing requests onto other parties. Cheers, Al. Hi alan and all I would like to support this idea, for face to face - certainly local to bracknell. ** Can another thread name be used when specific arrangements are discussed please: managing different projects embedded in a huge long thread is a nightmare. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press Release Idea: Free support on selected Tescos PCs from Ubuntu UK
Dougie Richardson wrote: 1. How would the cost of travel be covered? I'm all for volunteering but not if it starts to cost my significantly in expenses. Well, I have to say, I'd considered that this wasn't really us doing anything new beyond what we're already doing... More us realising that the demographic of the Ubuntu-using community is at a tipping point, and trying to make sure that people realise that Ubuntu-UK exists as a community (and help to promote Ubuntu in the process.) 2. How would Canonical feel about this? Essentially we would be reducing their oppertunity for any kind of commercial support option that might be considered in conjunction with Tesco. I'll stick in some boiler-plate about This initiative is a community project staffed by volunteers keen to help bridge the digital divide, and not endorsed by Tesco or Canonical (the makers of Ubuntu). M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] OEM Setup was Ubuntu via Tescos
oh wow, that oem-install thing is a fantastic idea. On 21/10/2007, Kris Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20/10/2007, Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Pascoe wrote: Hey, I like this more and more! Just so that I've got it straight in my mind A. Install Ubuntu on computer B. Set up computer with various apps and configs as required C. Issue appropriate command before shutdown D. Next boot up, new user goes through standard installation process Yeah? I presume that any user that was set up for B gets deleted by the command issued in C? E I would have thought so, it uses an OEM user. I haven't played with it much yet. I was going to try it today on the new hard drive I bought except it turns out the drive is second hand and has an NTFS partition already on it! Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ (Oops I just created another thread, but I'll say it here too How come nothing was mentioned on the website? I think it would be a good idea... maybe on the Ubuntu UK homepage. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Tesco Selling Ubuntu 6.06 Machines - Good value.
Is there a page on the wiki / ubuntu main for links to these manufacturers? Regards, On 21/10/2007, Daniel Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone should actually mention esys are making the pcs and laptops: http://www.esysglobal.com/contents/products/epc-with-linux.html#laptop http://www.esysglobal.com/contents/products/epc-with-linux.html These are selling in Tesco, Asda and PC World, or at least the brand is, don't know whether or not they would sell linux in store has anyone seen that? Regards, Daniel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Douglas Sent: 21 October 2007 12:04 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Tesco Selling Ubuntu 6.06 Machines - Good value. http://direct.tesco.com/search/default.aspx?search=esysconfirm.x=0confirm.y=0 It seems that Tesco has started selling Ubuntu machines, at a respectable price. Maybe something like this should be mentioned somewhere, it's as good as dell doing the same thing.. -- Kris Douglas Softdel Limited Hosting Services Web: www.softdel.net Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Matthew G Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Tesco Selling Ubuntu 6.06 Machines - Good value.
On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 21:16 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote: Is there a page on the wiki / ubuntu main for links to these manufacturers? Regards, Do you mean of companies who sell pcs with ubuntu preinstalled? If so, I just started one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/UbuntuPreinstalled -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
