Re: [ubuntu-uk] [RESOLVED] PCI Wirless card recommendation
On Monday 22 October 2007 18:58:48 Tony Arnold wrote: On Mon, 2007-10-22 at 14:35 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote: Can anyone recommend a PCI based Wireless card that is known to work well with Gutsy, preferably out of the box? The recommendation in various places is for RAlink chipset devices because they have open sourced their drivers, but the drivers on Gutsy do not work very well and give very poor through put. So any non-RAlink devices known to work? Rather than replace my card, I decided top follow the advice given by 'terdon' in the comments to bug #134660 on launchpad, i.e., I downloaded the source of the legacy driver, compiled and installed it. It seems to be working! I'm downloading a file at broadband line speeds at the moment, which I could not do before. I may have to re-install the driver if I get a kernel upgrade! My card is listed as 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI Subsystem: RaLink EW-7108PCg Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 21 Memory at fb02 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32K] Do I need to compile the RT61 or RT2500 drivers? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
So im getting regular speeds of 50kbs if im torrenting somethingi have a 2mb line with virgin!!!If not what should it be? Am i getting the full capacity? how much is 2mb in kbs? Regards Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
STONE COLD wrote: So im getting regular speeds of 50kbs if im torrenting somethingi have a 2mb line with virgin!!!If not what should it be? Am i getting the full capacity? how much is 2mb in kbs? Regards Javad I think it all depends on how many people you're connected to and what you're uploading (and also on Virgin they do have some policy where they limit the speed if you go over a certain amount during peak time). When I was on Telewest (now Virgin) on 2Mbit I was getting 220K/sec or there abouts. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:53:29 + STONE COLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So im getting regular speeds of 50kbs if im torrenting somethingi have a 2mb line with virgin!!!If not what should it be? Am i getting the full capacity? how much is 2mb in kbs? 2 Mb/s is 2 Mega bits per second = 2 * 1000 kilo bits per second [1] Normally when software reports transfer speeds it uses kilo (or if your doing well, mega) *bytes* per second. A byte being 8 bits you multiply this number by 8 to get the corresponding bits per second: 50 kB/s = 50*8 kb/s = 400 kb/s [2] That is possibly a measure of the useful data that the app is getting, so ignores the overhead of the packet headers etc. These should be fairly small compared to the useful data though. Apps will often use a 1024 kilo (which should really be Ki rather than k, but I've yet to actually see that used...) as well so once turning it to the 1000 kilo used for the line speed the number gets a bit bigger. Robert [1] or sometimes 1024 depending on who you ask, I think 1000 is the normal one for comms lines, and it's an easier number to work with for explanations so I'm sticking to it :) [2] Usually a B means byte and a b means bit but that convention is broken often enough that you can't really rely on it. Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com Cynicism is an unpleasant way of speaking the truth. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
This is a wonderful speed checker... http://www.speedtest.net/ Has multiple places you can check speed to as, of course, the delay could be at the other end ;-) As for kbps and kb/s me old IT teacher taught me there were 8 bits in a byte... therefore maximum on 2mbps would be 2048kbps/8 which I reckons to be 256kb/s. However, if it's a home broadband connect remember that you probably have a contention ratio of 50:1 so if all your neighbours decided to go p2p together this could reduce to 256/50 which'd be a little over 5kb/s... back to dial-up speeds ;-) But it's rare that you'd get that much contention...what some ISPs do, however, under their fair use policy, is group all the folks who use the most bandwidth together when it comes to contention... so all the happy folks who just browse share the 2mbps with 49 others who are just browsing and all the p2p and heavy downloaders end up contending with each other which really can cripple a connection... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
i will do a test and put up the results! Yes my broadband is thru cable! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:11:09 + Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry! You can not judge your connection on torrents for a start as it also depends on how many people are sharing and speed they are sharing at. Also I believe it is 2mb per minute rather than kbs, if you are worried about your speed try the broadband speed test that think broadband provide. Also is that cable or through the phoneline? Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Beard Sent: 01 November 2007 10:07 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry! STONE COLD wrote:So im getting regular speeds of 50kbs if im torrenting somethingi have a 2mb line with virgin!!!If not what should it be? Am i getting the full capacity? how much is 2mb in kbs?RegardsJavad I think it all depends on how many people you're connected to and what you're uploading (and also on Virgin they do have some policy where they limit the speed if you go over a certain amount during peak time). When I was on Telewest (now Virgin) on 2Mbit I was getting 220K/sec or there abouts. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
You can not judge your connection on torrents for a start as it also depends on how many people are sharing and speed they are sharing at. Also I believe it is 2mb per minute rather than kbs, if you are worried about your speed try the broadband speed test that think broadband provide. Also is that cable or through the phoneline? Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Beard Sent: 01 November 2007 10:07 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry! STONE COLD wrote: So im getting regular speeds of 50kbs if im torrenting somethingi have a 2mb line with virgin!!!If not what should it be? Am i getting the full capacity? how much is 2mb in kbs? Regards Javad I think it all depends on how many people you're connected to and what you're uploading (and also on Virgin they do have some policy where they limit the speed if you go over a certain amount during peak time). When I was on Telewest (now Virgin) on 2Mbit I was getting 220K/sec or there abouts. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry!
It also depends who you have broadband with Tesco etc offer llu broadband which means they can add as many users as they want. The other thing is that people talk about the best broadband provider, from my experience (I am an entanet and zen reseller) if you are happy paying more you get a better service, however my friends use Tesco, bt etc and have never had any problems, its just a matter of personal experience with a company, some may say aol is great, a lot of us know aol are rubbish. Regards, Daniel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Miller Sent: 01 November 2007 10:47 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another broadband related q? Sorry! This is a wonderful speed checker... http://www.speedtest.net/ Has multiple places you can check speed to as, of course, the delay could be at the other end ;-) As for kbps and kb/s me old IT teacher taught me there were 8 bits in a byte... therefore maximum on 2mbps would be 2048kbps/8 which I reckons to be 256kb/s. However, if it's a home broadband connect remember that you probably have a contention ratio of 50:1 so if all your neighbours decided to go p2p together this could reduce to 256/50 which'd be a little over 5kb/s... back to dial-up speeds ;-) But it's rare that you'd get that much contention...what some ISPs do, however, under their fair use policy, is group all the folks who use the most bandwidth together when it comes to contention... so all the happy folks who just browse share the 2mbps with 49 others who are just browsing and all the p2p and heavy downloaders end up contending with each other which really can cripple a connection... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? Cheers Alec Wright -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:47 +, Alec Wright wrote: Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? Hardy has only just started development, and will not be considered stable until it is released. You're free to use it now, but all the usual caveats apply that you usually hear with development versions. Personally I don't plan to be using Hardy until the first (herd|tribe| flock|beta) releases come out sometime next year. However if you do start using it, let us know how you get on! -- Dave Murphy - http://www.schwuk.com Twitter me: http://twitter.com/schwuk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
On 11/1/07, Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? Cheers Alec Wright -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ I wouldn't suggest upgrading just yet, unless you really know how to fix everything if/when it all breaks. It's supposed to be an LTS version, so it should be as stable as any other version, plus the added benefit of having long support. If you intend to upgrade early, it's probably worth waiting for one of the pre-releases (siege?) Kris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? Cheers Alec Wright Not yet! Let them get the uploads done first... Do not use hardy on a production machine, as they will probably break it a couple of times during the build process. If you are going to use it on a production machine, at least wait for a Tribe build... -- Blog: www.kirrus.co.uk RPGs: Captain Senaris Vlenn, CO, USS Sarek Lt Aieron Peters, XO DS5 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
Hi Alec, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:47 +, Alec Wright wrote: Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? The Hardy repository isn't open yet.The Ubuntu Developer Summit is currently running where the specifications for the next release are being discussed. Then there is the Canonical All Hands event and some time during/after than the Hardy repository will open. During the early stages of the life of an Ubuntu release there will be massive updates as packages are brought in from upstream (Debian and upstream non-Debian). At this stage things can be very very hairy. I personally wouldn't run Hardy until the first cuts of the isos are released. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Load Unload Cycles
Hi Tom, Samsung quote the load unload cycle threshold as 60, so in your case with such a high number of counts I'd be inclined to apply the workaround. There is a correlation on some drives but it depends on the manufacturer. Hitachi and IBM use ramp or rollers to lift the heads from the disk rather than impact on a landing zone. As I understand it from Samsung's documentation, they use landing zones or component start/stop zones. The idea is that when the drive powers down the heads are landed on an area usually in the centre of the platter that isn't writable, hence avoiding corruption. It also isn't as simple as failure at the quoted threshold. The actual figure is attained by testing and shows the minimum number of hits landed before the chance of damage reaches 50% - in other words beyond this threshold damage may occur but below it shouldn't. The problem is that in a drive to improve power efficiency has caused drives to be powered down more often, increasing the amount of counts. On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 01:34 +, Tom Bamford wrote: I've been looking at this bug as well and peeked at my drive stats. The mentioned Load_Cycle_Count stands at 355,884 on my laptop after I observed it increase by over 150 counts in just a few minutes on battery power. Can anyone confirm if there is a correlation between this count and the lifespan of a hard drive? I'm a little bit concerned my drive may be approaching retirement earlier than I'd hoped, especially as my current one is a replacement for an identical Samsung model that lasted only a few months from new, also running Ubuntu. Tom On Wed, 2007-10-31 at 14:48 +, Dougie Richardson wrote: Hi all, While investigating the interesting arguments concerning bug #59695, I noted that a lot of the argument centres around the assumption that Windows bypasses BIOS settings and configures drive access with so called sane values. Well I thought I'd check this out and although I'm still in doubt as to the validity of whether increased time spent in the hard disk landing zone is significant in reducing lifespan - I can confirm one myth as debunked: Windows Vista does not alter the load unload cycle parameters. I've put up a quick piece on my blog (http://blog.lynxworks.eu/) but suffice to say that after disabling in Ubuntu, after 15 minutes there is no increase in load unload cycles. Reboot into Windows and after 15 minutes reboot to Ubuntu and surprisingly the cycles have increased by ten. Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband speeds and prices!
BT Voyager routers are commercial products, sold in PC World etc. so they wouldn't be locked into anything... I think it's the ones that BT supply with their broadband as part of the package that are the issue. Personally I prefer the Voyager routers anyway... they're more intuitive to configure to start with... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
Ah, so we're going with an H then. I wondered whether H and W would be skipped on the basis that the letters had already been used before Ubuntu switched into this alphabetical progressed (Warty/Hoary)... clearly not... Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband speeds and prices!
On 01/11/2007, Sean Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BT Voyager routers are commercial products, sold in PC World etc. so they wouldn't be locked into anything... I think it's the ones that BT supply with their broadband as part of the package that are the issue. Indeed. It always amuses me when I see people bitching that their freely supplied router with their broadband package is locked into that supplier. What exactly did they expect for free? If a company supplies you with a free router it's going to be either a. the cheapest of the cheap and nasty b. locked into that supplier c. both. -- Steve When 1 person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Or so Evesham tech support say... Here's what happened: Whenever I switched my computer on, it would switch off within five seconds or so. If I switch it on again, it will switch off again even more quickly. It doesn't even get to detecting disk drives, let alone booting an operating system. It even does it with all of the disk drives unplugged. I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Does that surprise you? Anyways what machine are you running? What are the problems? Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alec Wright Sent: 01 November 2007 14:56 To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer! Or so Evesham tech support say... Here's what happened: Whenever I switched my computer on, it would switch off within five seconds or so. If I switch it on again, it will switch off again even more quickly. It doesn't even get to detecting disk drives, let alone booting an operating system. It even does it with all of the disk drives unplugged. I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
Alan Pope wrote: Hi Alec, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:47 +, Alec Wright wrote: Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? The Hardy repository isn't open yet.The Ubuntu Developer Summit is currently running where the specifications for the next release are being discussed. Then there is the Canonical All Hands event and some time during/after than the Hardy repository will open. So what does the hardy-changes mailing list relate to? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/hardy-changes I thought these were uploads to the Hardy repository, quite minor at the moment. John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Hi, I'm calling back. Your tech support guy told me to re-install Windows, but the PC is switching off before it starts the install... M. Alec Wright wrote: Or so Evesham tech support say... Here's what happened: Whenever I switched my computer on, it would switch off within five seconds or so. If I switch it on again, it will switch off again even more quickly. It doesn't even get to detecting disk drives, let alone booting an operating system. It even does it with all of the disk drives unplugged. I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 14:55 +, Alec Wright wrote: Or so Evesham tech support say... Here's what happened: Whenever I switched my computer on, it would switch off within five seconds or so. If I switch it on again, it will switch off again even more quickly. It doesn't even get to detecting disk drives, let alone booting an operating system. It even does it with all of the disk drives unplugged. I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check that your CPU fan is spinning, then try using the CMOS reset jumper, or take the battery out, then try removing/swapping ram, then try taking out the video board, then try phone back and act like you have never heard i of linux, but it doesn't even get to the starting windows screen -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Hi Alec On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 14:55 +, Alec Wright wrote: I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested I had a similar issue some time ago. I have a Dell XPS laptop which started to exhibit some screen corruption during the boot screen (the Dell logo you see before the OS starts). I called Dell and the guy told me to re-install the video driver. I told him that the problem occurred prior to the OS loading. Despite me explaining that this problem happened before the drivers were loaded they still had to follow their script. I hung up and called back a while later and told them that I had tried a different driver (which I had - I tried the nv driver rather than the nvidia driver in xorg). I also took photos and made them available on my website to show that the issue isn't a software one. They eventually invoked maintenance and I got an engineer out to fix the machine (which involved replacing the video card on the laptop). I have also reported a problem with my Mesh desktop PC which were hardware problems. They also asked me to do windowsy type things which I either refused or lied about. The fact is that these people are not setup to support Linux. As such you sometimes need to be creative and very very careful what you say. http://popey.com/My_Sick_Dell_Inspiron_XPS_Gen_2_Laptop Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
Hi, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 15:02 +, John Levin wrote: Alan Pope wrote: Hi Alec, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:47 +, Alec Wright wrote: Is anyone using Hardy yet? Am I right in thinking that it will be fairly stable, because Hardy's gonna be an LTS release? I used gutsy since the feisty release, so am i likely to be able to use hardy? The Hardy repository isn't open yet.The Ubuntu Developer Summit is currently running where the specifications for the next release are being discussed. Then there is the Canonical All Hands event and some time during/after than the Hardy repository will open. So what does the hardy-changes mailing list relate to? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/hardy-changes I thought these were uploads to the Hardy repository, quite minor at the moment. Ok, so some changes have been accepted in, but what I've said still applies. The repo isn't currently open. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Totally agree... it's like being asked to check your dial-up networking settings when complaining that your router can't connect to the internet... It's like duh! it's a router... -- this may have improved now, seeing as many ISPs are now promoting routers rather than the old Alcatel Speedtouch default, but it is quite galling when one has been working in IT for 20 years to be given complete and utter twaddle, normally at fairly expensive call rates, from completely untechnical first line support... I know what the problem is, I've done the diagnostics... I'm sorry, Sir, but before I can put you through to second line support we just have to check your windows sett.. I'm connecting through a router and it's gone down. I haven't changed anything. I appreciate that, Sir, but we have to rule out.. I'm using Windows and Linux and neither will.. Sir, let's check your windows settings... But the windows is connecting via. RJ45 and I can see the router so I know... Click 'Control Panel' ARRRGHH! Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Yes usually do not volunteer information, and agree when they say something, I they say to try something then take some time and then say you tried it, usually if you keep saying it doesn't work whatever they say then they will send out an engineer. The only time you have problems is if they ask for error codes, most of which can be obtained via the bios or system partition (if you didn't delete it). You should always play dumb, don't act like you know more than them (all though more often than not you will) usually they will get it repaired quite easily. Regards, Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Pope Sent: 01 November 2007 15:21 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer! Hi Alec On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 14:55 +, Alec Wright wrote: I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested I had a similar issue some time ago. I have a Dell XPS laptop which started to exhibit some screen corruption during the boot screen (the Dell logo you see before the OS starts). I called Dell and the guy told me to re-install the video driver. I told him that the problem occurred prior to the OS loading. Despite me explaining that this problem happened before the drivers were loaded they still had to follow their script. I hung up and called back a while later and told them that I had tried a different driver (which I had - I tried the nv driver rather than the nvidia driver in xorg). I also took photos and made them available on my website to show that the issue isn't a software one. They eventually invoked maintenance and I got an engineer out to fix the machine (which involved replacing the video card on the laptop). I have also reported a problem with my Mesh desktop PC which were hardware problems. They also asked me to do windowsy type things which I either refused or lied about. The fact is that these people are not setup to support Linux. As such you sometimes need to be creative and very very careful what you say. http://popey.com/My_Sick_Dell_Inspiron_XPS_Gen_2_Laptop Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 15:03 +, Mark Harrison wrote: Hi, I'm calling back. Your tech support guy told me to re-install Windows, but the PC is switching off before it starts the install... Suggested that to my dad (whos making the calls now) too Thanks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 15:34 +, Dougie Richardson wrote: It may be worth reading this http://www.dti.gov.uk/consumers/fact-sheets/page38311.html carefully so you know all your rights before going any further. From the warranty terms and conditions: 1. Cover provided by this contract: ... (e)Unless otherwise agreed specifically in writing by the company in relation to a particular item, the company has no responsibility under this contract in relation to any of the following items, namely: (i)Software, storage media, data retrieval ... --So that seems to say that what OS/software is on my computer is none of their business :) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Load Unload Cycles
Hi Dougie, Thank you for explaining it a bit more. I have read documentation from Hitachi on the subject, but couldn't find anything useful on the Samsung website. I've also noticed today that the count is going up just as quickly when running on external power as it does on battery power, so whatever it causing it either doesn't realise when I plug in the machine or is doing it for a different reason. It has risen today to 360,563 - an increase of nearly 5000 since last night! I've applied the patch and it seems to have stopped instantly; I had to set the drive APM parameter to 254 before it had any effect. I realise that the cycle count may not even have an effect on the drive's lifespan, but I use my machine for about 10 hours a day and leave it powered on the rest of the time. , however I think I'm going to have to accept that my drive just won't make the 5-8 years it was designed for. Thanks again, Tom On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 14:05 +, Dougie Richardson wrote: Hi Tom, Samsung quote the load unload cycle threshold as 60, so in your case with such a high number of counts I'd be inclined to apply the workaround. There is a correlation on some drives but it depends on the manufacturer. Hitachi and IBM use ramp or rollers to lift the heads from the disk rather than impact on a landing zone. As I understand it from Samsung's documentation, they use landing zones or component start/stop zones. The idea is that when the drive powers down the heads are landed on an area usually in the centre of the platter that isn't writable, hence avoiding corruption. It also isn't as simple as failure at the quoted threshold. The actual figure is attained by testing and shows the minimum number of hits landed before the chance of damage reaches 50% - in other words beyond this threshold damage may occur but below it shouldn't. The problem is that in a drive to improve power efficiency has caused drives to be powered down more often, increasing the amount of counts. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband speeds and prices!
And to add to that, quite possibly have certain important features made inaccessible - because people can't be trusted to configure their own routers now can they... I wouldn't touch a BT router with someone else's 10 foot pole Pete -- 'In letters of gold, on a snow-white kite, I will write I Love You! And send it soaring high above you, for all to read!' RIP Billy M 1957-1997 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 16:01 +, Pete Stean wrote: That Slashdot article is certainly worth a read btw, although it doesn't help the OP. Yep I read it quite a while ago. That's where i got the inspiration for the title of this shred - one of the new articles about the hinge was titled Linux broke my laptop's hinge! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Quoting Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Or so Evesham tech support say... Here's what happened: Whenever I switched my computer on, it would switch off within five seconds or so. If I switch it on again, it will switch off again even more quickly. It doesn't even get to detecting disk drives, let alone booting an operating system. It even does it with all of the disk drives unplugged. I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last time I found something like that it was a faulty motherboard which the temperature sensor was reporting the CPU (a Duron 700) was running at 199 degrees! I'd say they're fobbing you off somewhat. Funny, I remember the days when Evesham stood for quality. Does it not stand for that now? Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Quoting Alan Pope [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Alec On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 14:55 +, Alec Wright wrote: I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested I had a similar issue some time ago. I have a Dell XPS laptop which started to exhibit some screen corruption during the boot screen (the Dell logo you see before the OS starts). I called Dell and the guy told me to re-install the video driver. I told him that the problem occurred prior to the OS loading. Despite me explaining that this problem happened before the drivers were loaded they still had to follow their script. I hung up and called back a while later and told them that I had tried a different driver (which I had - I tried the nv driver rather than the nvidia driver in xorg). I also took photos and made them available on my website to show that the issue isn't a software one. They eventually invoked maintenance and I got an engineer out to fix the machine (which involved replacing the video card on the laptop). I have also reported a problem with my Mesh desktop PC which were hardware problems. They also asked me to do windowsy type things which I either refused or lied about. The fact is that these people are not setup to support Linux. As such you sometimes need to be creative and very very careful what you say. http://popey.com/My_Sick_Dell_Inspiron_XPS_Gen_2_Laptop Cheers, Al. It's so frustrating that they go through these lists. I've often called Dell with problems and they've asked me to do all sorts of tests, as you say Al, just lie about it. Considering the amount of Dell machines I've seen exactly identical problems on I'm wise to what they ask me to do. You'd think these companies would get some more clued up tech support staff though and not treat us like complete dummies. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
Rob Beard wrote: Last time I found something like that it was a faulty motherboard which the temperature sensor was reporting the CPU (a Duron 700) was running at 199 degrees! I'd say they're fobbing you off somewhat. Funny, I remember the days when Evesham stood for quality. Does it not stand for that now? Rob The corporate sales side of their business started going downhill in about 1995 when they fired Hans Retz. The best store used to be MK, particularly when Stuart Moore and Chris Fella were working there on Saturdays :-( I bought about 500 PCs from Evesham over the space of three years in the early 90s (as part of my job, obviously - I don't have THAT many PCs at home :-) ) I've not used them since about 2000, since I'd seen them progressively get worse. M. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
Guys, Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've been informed is quite out-of-date). Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself. Jai -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 11:27 -0400, Alan Pope wrote: SNIP Ok, so some changes have been accepted in, but what I've said still applies. The repo isn't currently open. SNIP Hi Alan, The Gutsy repo has 23268 packages compared with Hardy's repo of a current 23373 packages. Although the vast majority of packages are identical, it's also showing up http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ This means it will work with apt in sources.list. Although I wouldn't recommend this to any production machine. Where did you hear the repo isn't open? Kind Regards, Dave Walker signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer!
What about the startup beeps, presuming of course that the BIOS supports them? Can you get into the BIOS before shut down? Mind you first thought was a faulty PSU especially if it cuts out quicker the more times you sequentially try to re-start it. E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Holloway Sent: 01 November 2007 15:20 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux mysteriously broke my computer! On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 14:55 +, Alec Wright wrote: Or so Evesham tech support say... Here's what happened: Whenever I switched my computer on, it would switch off within five seconds or so. If I switch it on again, it will switch off again even more quickly. It doesn't even get to detecting disk drives, let alone booting an operating system. It even does it with all of the disk drives unplugged. I phoned Evesham tech support, and they immediately said it was a windows driver problem. When I told him it didn't have windows on it, but had Linux on it, he put me on hold for a few minutes. When he got back, he told me that he couldn't fix the HARDWARE problem because it runs Linux. He told me to reinstall windows and phone back... Well that's gonna be fun when it cant stay on for more than five seconds... Just thought you guys might be interested -- Alec Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check that your CPU fan is spinning, then try using the CMOS reset jumper, or take the battery out, then try removing/swapping ram, then try taking out the video board, then try phone back and act like you have never heard i of linux, but it doesn't even get to the starting windows screen -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
Hi Jai, Would be interested as to why you are interested in C/C++, what are your objectives? Dougie On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 18:11 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Guys, Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've been informed is quite out-of-date). Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself. Jai -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UbuCon UK Ideas
From: Rob Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/01 Thu PM 06:38:20 GMT To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] UbuCon UK Ideas Tony Arnold wrote: On the location, my feeling is that if you run it in London people in the far north of the country may miss out because of the travelling time, so somewhere in the middle, I think would be better. Regards, Tony. I'd agree with that, I'm in Torquay, Devon and I'd rather drive to Birmingham than London. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ God yes I live in Surrey and I would rather go to Birmingham than London! Martin Lovell Martin Lovell - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Brian the Snail
Guys My Gutsy installation is definately very unwell! I appear to be gradually losing various functionality through nothing I'm doing, cos I'm finding it hard to do anything! So far I've lost the bongos at the log on screen - the wav file is no longer on the system. My System Preferences menu options have decreased to just Keyboard and Screen Layouts Everything I launch is, well almost go and make a cup of tea, in duration. Now I know I've got a slowish CPU for a desktop at 1.8 GHz but have 1 Gb of RAM. The XP installation is fine. So, am I right in thinking that it's going to be a re-install to make sure things get back to normal, or is there a clever utility that can look at the entire system, compare it to the repos, or whatever, and repair it? I have nothing installed that isn't on the Live CD. E -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] /home partition
ok, thanks. I'll check it out and report back! On Fri, 2007-10-26 at 20:23 +0100, Neil Greenwood wrote: On 26/10/2007, Farran Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cool, thanks. Looks like the best option. is there some kind of website where I can upload and privately store the necessary files instead of burning them to disc? I don't have a burner... I'm not going to risk upgrading, had too many problems in the past. I'll just wait until I've built my new pc ... Don't know of any websites that will do it for free, but you could look at rsync.net or Amazon's S3 (google finds it, I don't know a direct URL). I haven't used either yet, but I'm considering doing so. Maybe Google offers a free solution... Hwyl, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UbuCon UK Ideas
Going back a couple of years now, we had to organise an event and the NEC worked out a lot more cost effective than places like Earls Court, Olympia, QE II Conference Centre, Barbican, Ally Pally etc etc Don't know costings thesedays though. E -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob Beard Sent: 01 November 2007 18:38 To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] UbuCon UK Ideas Tony Arnold wrote: On the location, my feeling is that if you run it in London people in the far north of the country may miss out because of the travelling time, so somewhere in the middle, I think would be better. Regards, Tony. I'd agree with that, I'm in Torquay, Devon and I'd rather drive to Birmingham than London. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Chris Rowson wrote: I just read this. Sickening isn't it! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/ MS have been playing these games in Africa for some time: in 2002, they offered Schoolnet Namibia Office Pro for free, in a deal that would have required some $9,000 for the OS. Gory details here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/31/namibia_wisely_spurns_m_gift/ John -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Yes I read it this afternoon. I'm sure there about a million spam and scam related jokes that could be made here. Dougie On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 20:24 +, Chris Rowson wrote: I just read this. Sickening isn't it! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
Hi Jai, Hey Dougie Would be interested as to why you are interested in C/C++, what are your objectives? My objects are to learn the language and then make GTK/GNOME applications to suit my requirements. A big one of these is a music player that suits my personal needs (and I shouldn't imagine it would be too hard provided I used a good back-end for music playback). Jai P.S: Seeker` from the IRC channel linked me to this: http://www.physics.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/c_tutorial.html On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 18:11 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Guys, Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've been informed is quite out-of-date). Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself. Jai -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
John Levin wrote: Chris Rowson wrote: I just read this. Sickening isn't it! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/ MS have been playing these games in Africa for some time: in 2002, they offered Schoolnet Namibia Office Pro for free, in a deal that would have required some $9,000 for the OS. Gory details here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/10/31/namibia_wisely_spurns_m_gift/ John Well at least now we know why Mr Gates was trying to get into Nigeria when he had his visa application rejected. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/212125 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Well at least now we know why Mr Gates was trying to get into Nigeria when he had his visa application rejected. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/212125 Sorry, missed a 0 from the link. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/2121250 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Chris Rowson wrote: I just read this. Sickening isn't it! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/mandriva_ceo_posts_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer/ This is exactly we keep fighting the corner for Linux, I'm trying to get Linux into as many places as possible (for instance, community centres and charities with little funds to be spending on M$ licences in my local area). Although it's not 17,000 desktops, they all start to add up. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
Hi Jai, Guys, Don't forget the gals/dolls !!. Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've been informed is quite out-of-date). I wouldn't recommend KR - it's not a book for beginners. My KR is well thumbed but was difficult to follow when I was starting out. I bought C The Complete Reference by Herbert Schildt (McGraw Hill I Think) but don't know if it is still in print (We're talking 1986 or thereabouts). If I was starting out today I'd go for Practical C++ programming by Steve Qualline (O'Reilly) (Excellent book and very readable and a good tutorial reference) and C++ The Core Reference by Gregory Satir Doug Brown - again published by O'Reilly. By all means by KR but don't make it your first book. Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself. Don't know about tutorials - though I would go with GTK+ http://www.gtk.org. I found this better documented than GTK, YMMV. Regards, David ubuntu/uk-2007-11-01.txubuntu-uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ | Dave Restall, Computer Nerd, Cyclist, Radio Amateur G4FCU, Bodger | | Mob +44 (0) 7973 831245 Skype: dave.restall Radio: G4FCU | | email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : Not Ready Yet :-( | ++ | Aim for the moon. If you miss, you may hit a star.| | -- W. Clement Stone| ++ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
Hi Jai, I'll probably get castigated for this but I use both and found Python and GTK much less hassle and easier to get up to speed with quickly. C is what C is - a good strong language, C++ - well many have strong opinions on it (including Linux Torvalds). On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 20:55 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Hi Jai, Hey Dougie Would be interested as to why you are interested in C/C++, what are your objectives? My objects are to learn the language and then make GTK/GNOME applications to suit my requirements. A big one of these is a music player that suits my personal needs (and I shouldn't imagine it would be too hard provided I used a good back-end for music playback). Jai P.S: Seeker` from the IRC channel linked me to this: http://www.physics.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/c_tutorial.html On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 18:11 +, Jai Harrison wrote: Guys, Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've been informed is quite out-of-date). Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself. Jai -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Yes I wondered if that was a coincidence. On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:09 +, Skeg Fast wrote: Well at least now we know why Mr Gates was trying to get into Nigeria when he had his visa application rejected. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/212125 Sorry, missed a 0 from the link. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/13/2121250 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Hardy?
Hi Dave, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 18:26 +, Dave Walker wrote: The Gutsy repo has 23268 packages compared with Hardy's repo of a current 23373 packages. Although the vast majority of packages are identical, it's also showing up http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ Hmm. I was wrong. This means it will work with apt in sources.list. Although I wouldn't recommend this to any production machine. Ditto. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
Hi David, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:19 +, David Restall - System Administrator wrote: I wouldn't recommend KR - it's not a book for beginners. My KR is well thumbed but was difficult to follow when I was starting out. I bought C The Complete Reference by Herbert Schildt (McGraw Hill I Think) but don't know if it is still in print (We're talking 1986 or thereabouts). If I was starting out today I'd go for Practical C++ programming by Steve Qualline (O'Reilly) (Excellent book and very readable and a good tutorial reference) and C++ The Core Reference by Gregory Satir Doug Brown - again published by O'Reilly. By all means by KR but don't make it your first book. Seconded - also look into C++ Nuts Bolts by Herbert Schildt[1], got me through first year. [1] http://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Nuts-Bolts-Experienced-Programmers/dp/0078821401/ref=sr_1_1/202-2325551-6648609?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1193952915sr=8-1 Cheers, Dougie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Chris Rowson wrote: I just read this. Sickening isn't it! Not to me it isn't. The Nigerian government aren't complaining. The Nigerian people aren't complaining. [Or if they are, someone post a link and tell me about what] In fact, the person who's complaining in this article is the guy who came in second in a procurement round, and he's throwing mud around and hoping some of it sticks. I'm well aware that Microsoft have played dirty in the past, but I believe in this pesky little thing called any evidence whatsoever before assuming that somehow children are being screwed over. I don't use Ubuntu because I somehow think that it's truth justice and righteousness I use it because it's better What I _do_ find offensive is the fact that some people are jumping in the kids are getting screwed bandwagon, and will try to exploit the images of some of the worlds most vulnerable people to make their own petty points about free software. One of the reasons I like Ubuntu is that Canonical seem to have a policy of NOT descending to this kind of game, and concentrating on making Linux BETTER. That I can respect. Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
On 11/1/07, David Restall - System Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jai, Guys, Don't forget the gals/dolls !!. Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've been informed is quite out-of-date). I wouldn't recommend KR - it's not a book for beginners. snip By all means by KR but don't make it your first book. I second this. Much better starting with a beginners book. KR is something of a reference when you are later arguing over obscure peculiarities in the language with your friends :) Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself. Don't know about tutorials - though I would go with GTK+ http://www.gtk.org. I found this better documented than GTK, YMMV. I personally find the C (and C++) APIs available for GTK rather horrible. I would use it if I had to, but I'm using wxWidgets for cross-platform development. It does remind me very much of MFC though :) As for Python, etc... personally I am glad I started out with C, progressed to C++, and then other languages. It gives you a very good ground-up knowledge of how things work. When you get to using Python (or any language) you not only get to master it very quickly, but you get a feel of *how* it works internally (Python is written in C, after all). Matthew, with his 2p. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Chris Rowson wrote: I just read this. Sickening isn't it! Not to me it isn't. The Nigerian government aren't complaining. The Nigerian people aren't complaining. [Or if they are, someone post a link and tell me about what] In fact, the person who's complaining in this article is the guy who came in second in a procurement round, and he's throwing mud around and hoping some of it sticks. Mark, Viewed against a backdrop of other MS activities - (see the other post in this thread about previous MS jollies into Africa) you'll see that this *may* run deeper than one guy sulking as he looses out in a procurement round... I'm well aware that Microsoft have played dirty in the past, but I believe in this pesky little thing called any evidence whatsoever before assuming that somehow children are being screwed over. I believe on the 'fool me once' principle. I don't use Ubuntu because I somehow think that it's truth justice and righteousness I use it because it's better OK. Fair enough, that's your choice. I'm not really that bothered why people use Ubuntu to be fair. I'm just happy that they do. What I _do_ find offensive is the fact that some people are jumping in the kids are getting screwed bandwagon, and will try to exploit the images of some of the worlds most vulnerable people to make their own petty points about free software. I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points to make. One of the reasons I like Ubuntu is that Canonical seem to have a policy of NOT descending to this kind of game, and concentrating on making Linux BETTER. That I can respect. Mark -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cisco VPN Client
Well having tried it and installing it finally, I was an idiot. I couldn't get any info from college website about the .pcf file I needed, so while waiting I decided to uninstall and try the newer versions that the support guys posted...and now nothing will install whatsoever, even with the patch applied. I think I give up on it. I'm now installing vpnc and will see if the support guys will be nice enough to help me configure it... I'm not sure if you're saying you couldn't get hold of the PCF file, or you weren't sure what information you needed from it... but if the latter, the network-manager-vpnc GUI allows you to import a PCF file, and vpnc itself comes with a script in /usr/share/vpnc/pcf2vpnc to convert a PCF file to a vpnc configuration file. Hope that helps, JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development
I don't know if this is of any help to you, but I happened to come across this on t' interweb... http://www.steveheller.com/cppad/cppad.htm -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:38 +, Chris Rowson wrote: I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points to make. Despite writing in rant mode, without remembering to include the customary rant/rant tags I didn't mean to write that. Strangely I actually hope that people DO NOT see me as an exploiter of innocent children! Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids
Hi Mark, On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 21:57 +, Mark Harrison wrote: In fact, the person who's complaining in this article is the guy who came in second in a procurement round, and he's throwing mud around and hoping some of it sticks. I see where you coming from but that's not how I read the article: So we closed the deal, we got the order, we qualified the software, e got the machine shipped. In other word, we did our job. I understand the machine are being delivered right now. And then, today, we hear from the customer a totally different story: “we shall pay for the Mandriva Software as agreed, but we shall replace it by Windows afterward.” Maybe I'm missing something here but surely if they took delivery and paid then he hasn't lost a procurement round. Just my tuppence. Cheers, Dougie Richardson -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/
