Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Eddie Bernard wrote: Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: Surely for the average user a LTS version would be better, such as 8.04? Development versions and upgrades could raise severe antagonisms to you. Fair cop, glad you pointed that out. I need to curb my enthusiasm for always wanting to be on the bleeding edge... Eddie (apologies if this doesn't thread correctly, I messed up my mailing list subscription at first...) to offer a contrary view I would always go for the latest released version fully updated. The customer is likely to update it anyway, or think they are not getting the newest and shinyest operating system otherwise. LTS is arguably better for servers or corporate desktop rollouts (if you don't have landscape or any management tools) but for sellability to geeks and others go for new and shiny. If you can launch on April 23rd with Jauny pre-installed you might get a burst of interest. (was thinking of doing that myself) Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Alan Bell alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com wrote: to offer a contrary view I would always go for the latest released version fully updated. The customer is likely to update it anyway, or think they are not getting the newest and shinyest operating system otherwise. LTS is arguably better for servers or corporate desktop rollouts (if you don't have landscape or any management tools) but for sellability to geeks and others go for new and shiny. If you can launch on April 23rd with Jauny pre-installed you might get a burst of interest. (was thinking of doing that myself) I completely agree with that... as you say, the customer is likely to upgrade anyway and that has the potential to break the thing... better to install the latest release, fully test it to ensure it works and then you know that they have 6 months of relatively plain sailing at least... we had that thread a week or two ago with Rowan and his networking which was caused by a supplier having to install non-standard drivers due to something (the kernel version?) in 8.04... that's after less than 12 months... 8.04 will cease to be supported (desktop) in April 2011, 9.04 will cease to be supported in October 2010... we're getting to the point here where there isn't actually a great deal of difference. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 07:45 +, Sean Miller wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Alan Bell alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com wrote: to offer a contrary view I would always go for the latest released version fully updated. The customer is likely to update it anyway, or think they are not getting the newest and shinyest operating system otherwise. LTS is arguably better for servers or corporate desktop rollouts (if you don't have landscape or any management tools) but for sellability to geeks and others go for new and shiny. If you can launch on April 23rd with Jauny pre-installed you might get a burst of interest. (was thinking of doing that myself) I completely agree with that... as you say, the customer is likely to upgrade anyway and that has the potential to break the thing... better to install the latest release, fully test it to ensure it works and then you know that they have 6 months of relatively plain sailing at least... we had that thread a week or two ago with Rowan and his networking which was caused by a supplier having to install non-standard drivers due to something (the kernel version?) in 8.04... that's after less than 12 months... 8.04 will cease to be supported (desktop) in April 2011, 9.04 will cease to be supported in October 2010... we're getting to the point here where there isn't actually a great deal of difference. Sean Looking at the hardware, you're looking at about 110-130 plus 20 for national delivery plus a bit for you so lets say 180 a unit-ish. As for everything else Mr Pope is correct get onto Canonical for permission to use the ubuntu branding if nothing else. If I recall you have to send a sample machine in to canonical but again chase that up with them after all they know. -- Seek That Thy Might Know http://www.davmor2.co.uk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Liam Proven wrote: 2009/3/25 Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com: I'm looking to offer a base unit, 2GHz dual core Celeron (E1400) with 2GB DDR2 PC2-6400 RAM, and a 150GB SATA hdd. Graphics, sound and ethernet are onboard. My only comment - apart from to agree with those who commend that you use the LTS version - would be this: I would never buy a Celeron and I tell everyone, friends and clients, to avoid them. They are nasty, crippled devices and anything with a Celery in it is probably rubbish, in my not-at-all-humble opinion. I'd rather have a cheap low-end but full-spec AMD or Via chip than a Celeron. Yes, I know it's possible to replace a Celeron with a full-spec chip, but almost nobody ever does it's almost never an economical upgrade. Actually the dual core Celerons are pretty quick. They are based on the Core 2 Duo core with just a smaller cache. To be honest I would presume that a system for about £200 would not be aimed at a power user and with some people finding that a single core Atom at 1.6GHz does the job (heck, a Duron 1400 with 512MB Ram I built the other day is fine for web browsing) then a Celeron Dual Core would probably be fine. Saying that though, I'd rather have a Core 2 based Celeron Dual Core or Pentium Dual Core rather than the older Pentium 4 Prescott based Celeron D (my kids PC has one in and while it's fine for what they want and pretty quick at 3.33GHz it's really power hungry and runs hot). I do agree about the AMD chips though, if you can get one cheap enough and a decent AM2+ board then you could at a later date drop in an AM2 (and I believe AM3) Phenom II onto the board (although for best performance you really need a board which can support the faster HT speeds of the Phenom which some of the cheaper AM2+ boards don't support). Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
2009/3/26 Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.uk: Looking at the hardware, you're looking at about 110-130 plus 20 for national delivery plus a bit for you so lets say 180 a unit-ish. You're in the area I'm looking at... but my raw costs are higher than 130, and I thought I'd sourced everything pretty cheaply. If you can show me how you came to that calculation I'd be very interested. I'm buying a case (450W PSU included), the E1400, a socket 775 mobo w/ onboard graphics and sound, a 160GB SATA(II) 7200rpm hdd, 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800MHz RAM, and a CD/DVD writer/rewriter. As for everything else Mr Pope is correct get onto Canonical for permission to use the ubuntu branding if nothing else. If I recall you have to send a sample machine in to canonical but again chase that up with them after all they know. I contacted them yesterday and am awaiting their response. Cheers Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] sound issues - fixed
Paul Sutton wrote: Looks like i have fixed it, pcm volume was down, (what ever pcm is) PCM is Pulse Code Modulation, the main method for describing sound samples. Imagine plotting a sound wave on a chart, then every N microseconds you take a measurement of how high or low the wave is at that point. The points are called pulses and the measurements are called codes. PCM is used for all sampled sound, which these days is almost all played back sound from a PC. Depending on the implementation, MIDI GM sounds may or may not be controlled via PCM. For example, a card which implements MIDI GM sounds in software will almost certainly use PCM, whereas a card which implements MIDI GM sounds in hardware might not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_code_modulation Andrew Oakley Head of Software Development Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) 95 Promenade, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire GL50 1HZ T 01242 211460 F 01242 211122 W www.hesa.ac.uk _ Higher Education Statistics Agency Ltd (HESA) is a company limited by guarantee, registered in England at 95 Promenade Cheltenham GL50 1HZ. Registered No. 2766993. The members are Universities UK and GuildHE. Registered Charity No. 1039709. Certified to ISO 9001 and ISO 27001. HESA Services Ltd (HSL) is a wholly owned subsidiary of HESA, registered in England at the same address. Registered No. 3109219. _ This outgoing email was virus scanned for HESA by MessageLabs. _ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Liam Proven wrote: 2009/3/25 Matt Jones m...@mattjones.me.uk: In the past, that opinion was fairly valid. Now, the celerons are actually quite speedy little chips, espescially for an Ubuntu box that is going to run web/openoffice/music all day. As for recommending a Via over the current (Dual core) celerons, they are quite a long way behind in performance terms, and not really any cheaper. I am aware that the Via Nano is not as powerful, although it compares very well to the Intel Atom, but then, the Nano uses a *lot* less power than a Celeron so the overall running cost would be somewhat lower. Actually, tests done by Tom's Hardware Guide suggest that overall the Core 2 is a more efficient chip than the Atom. It's just a case of paring it with the right hardware. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html But still, seriously object to the pricing model of producing crippled chips with tiny L2 caches and selling them cheap. If they can make a profit on the crippled model, they could make one on selling the premium product with the full-sized cache for a lot less. There is a balance to be had, and that balancing point is called a fair price. Instead, we get cheap crippled chips - the Celerons, Pentium chips, AMD's old Durons and so on - and price-inflated professional or performance chips for power users. From what I understand these 'crippled' chips are basically the higher end chips which don't at full spec, for instance a Celeron Dual Core could well be a Core 2 Duo which a section of cache on doesn't work. Rather than just chuck the chip away they disable some of the cache and sell it on as a cheaper part. AMD do the same with the Phenom X3 (and newer Phenom core based Athlon X2's) where they disable a faulty core and sell them as a slightly cheaper chip. To be honest considering what sort of financial state AMD are in at the moment they need to do this to recoup some of the costs and pay off some of the debts. There is also the fact that if you're so inclined it is possible to overclock some of these chips (especially the Celeron Dual Core and Pentium Dual Core) to much faster speeds. I managed to get about 3GHz from my 1.8GHz Pentium Dual Core, sods law though the power saving driver in Linux clocked it back to it's original speed. This is a deliberate pricing model; in the industry, it's called something like segmented marketing and catching the low end. I call it screwing your customers. Which is one reason I prefer to deal with companies who don't play those games. The AMD tactic of selling last year's model cheap and calling it a Sempron or something was much more honest and fair, and indeed I am typing on an AMD Athlon box now. Technically last year's model would be the Athlon X2 which they are still selling as an Athlon X2, albeit fairly cheap although I'm yet to see any Sempron X2's in the shops (IIRC they do sell them in very small quantities overseas). Alas, since their 64-bit leap, AMD have no new tricks to pull and the CPU high end now belongs completely to Intel. It's a damned shame. Actually the Phenom II is starting to claw back some of the performance. Considering if you have an AM2+ board you can drop in a Phenom II X4 straight onto the board that is a pretty good performance upgrade especially compared to the new Core i7 which needs a new board and DDR3 memory (and if I'm correct they are replacing the socket on the Core i7 again later on this year). If you were to stick an AM3 CPU on an AM2+ board then you have extra future proofing as you can upgrade to an AM3 board and DDR3 memory when the prices come down. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
Eddie Bernard wrote: 2009/3/25 Jamie Bennett ja...@linuxuk.org: Steve Cook wrote: Here's your competition http://efficientpc.co.uk/ The Wraith, same system with 2gb of ram - £232.61. Nice looking little system there. Great - I can definitely beat that and by some way. I can't tell whether this machine at this price includes a CD/DVD rewriter, I forgot to mention earlier that my machine does contain one of those. Any more? :-) Who are your end user target population? I regularly display (infopoint -information re foss and ubuntu) at a local computer fair. The attenders at the computer fairs are mostly well informed PC users and I talk to many who want to and are trying (ubuntu) initially. However they still struggle with many basic questions. But they are installing it themselves into unknown machines. Unfortunately they are not very likely to yet be users of discussion forums such as this one. Some are very keen to escape from windows. What comes to my mind is that on occasions when I have provided a pre installed machine to close friends, it is the general support and occasional detailed support from me which is of great value, more than the machine itself. These friends are not people who would be comfortable with, say, this list. But they would probably pay for suitable personal support over time. If you are selling hardware with known linux suitability then well seasoned users like myself might be certainly interested, just to know that certain hardware is ubuntu suitable and get some information and subsequent (list based?) support hopefully. However, I would be a very different type of customer to the elderly lady I met on a cruise up the norwegian coast who was set on buying an Asus eee (901 I think) after seeing them in a newspaper report, and she would probably never want to install anything herself. As you say, if you intend to compete on hardware costs alone there is a lot of competition. Less competition and more welcomed market possibly if you consider certain levels of information/support. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user. No viruses were harmed in sending this message. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices
--- On Thu, 26/3/09, Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eddie Bernard edd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu pre-installed computer prices To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thursday, 26 March, 2009, 9:52 AM 2009/3/26 Dave Morley davm...@davmor2.co.uk: Looking at the hardware, you're looking at about 110-130 plus 20 for national delivery plus a bit for you so lets say 180 a unit-ish. You're in the area I'm looking at... but my raw costs are higher than 130, and I thought I'd sourced everything pretty cheaply. If you can show me how you came to that calculation I'd be very interested. I'm buying a case (450W PSU included), the E1400, a socket 775 mobo w/ onboard graphics and sound, a 160GB SATA(II) 7200rpm hdd, 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800MHz RAM, and a CD/DVD writer/rewriter. As for everything else Mr Pope is correct get onto Canonical for permission to use the ubuntu branding if nothing else. If I recall you have to send a sample machine in to canonical but again chase that up with them after all they know. I contacted them yesterday and am awaiting their response. Cheers Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Hi, thanks for your reply. I entered iwconfig in the terminal and got this message. It is finding the Joiku wireless from what I can gether, but its not connecting. This is what came out:- == jake...@jakewc2-laptop:~$ iwconfig lono wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. wmaster0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"Johns_Joiku" Mode:Ad-Hoc Frequency:2.412 GHz Cell: address Tx-Power=27 dBm Retry min limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr=2352 B Power Management:off Link Quality:0 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 pan0 no wireless extensions. jake...@jakewc2-laptop:~$ == Strange Does anybody have any idea what that means, and why the netbook wont accept the key? John Simon Wears wrote: The 'eth2 not such device' probably means you don't have a device called eth2. Type iwconfig in terminal to get a list of your network devices, then try again using whichever your wireless device is. 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com Jamie Bennett wrote: Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Yep, WEP open and changed the key to something I could remember on the settings page. Works a treat for me but I must admit I use it mostly with my ipod touch (*boo, *hiss). Beats getting an iphone though :) Cheers, Al. Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org I found a page on the Ubuntu wiki, that talks about WEP. It give this to try, c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 essid MyNet c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 key xx c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifconfig eth2 up c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo dhclient3 eth2 I changed the Mynet to the Joiku name, and the xxx to the encryption key, but it says it cant find the essid it says error for wireless request *Set ESSID* (8B1A) SET failed on device eth2 not such device not sure if I did it correct there, but that's what came back. Could it be the NetworkManager that is the problem here? John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com http://MunkyJunky.com | http://Twitter.com/MunkyJunky MunkyJunky on irc.freenode.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Why don't you replace eth2 with wlan0 and see if that works better? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Well, I have entered that, with the wlan0 the first line works no problem, but when I entere the second line and add the code, that the phone brings up, it keeps saying Error for wireless request *Set Encode* (8B2A) invalid argument and enters the sode I put in. For some reason it wont accept the code. I copied the code exactly as I have it on the phone. John Sean Miller wrote: Why don't you replace eth2 with wlan0 and see if that works better? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
I'm wondering if its an authentication problem. Is there something in the settings in the network manager or even Ubuntu itself that might be causing this? Simon Wears wrote: The 'eth2 not such device' probably means you don't have a device called eth2. Type iwconfig in terminal to get a list of your network devices, then try again using whichever your wireless device is. 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com Jamie Bennett wrote: Alan Pope wrote: 2009/3/25 John jake...@sky.com: Hi everybody, I have decided that using the orange dongle just isnt working, so I am trying something else. Its called Joiku. I just wondered if anybody has used it before and got it to work. I'm typing this mail whilst sat on the train connected via wifi to my phone which is running the pay-for version of Joikuspot. I have set it up according to the instructions, but it keeps asking for the encryption key. I had a similar issue when I tried to use WEP passphrase, but instead use WEP open, and it works fine. Yep, WEP open and changed the key to something I could remember on the settings page. Works a treat for me but I must admit I use it mostly with my ipod touch (*boo, *hiss). Beats getting an iphone though :) Cheers, Al. Regards, Jamie -- http://www.linuxuk.org I found a page on the Ubuntu wiki, that talks about WEP. It give this to try, c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 essid MyNet c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo iwconfig eth2 key xx c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifconfig eth2 up c...@ubuntu:~$ sudo dhclient3 eth2 I changed the Mynet to the Joiku name, and the xxx to the encryption key, but it says it cant find the essid it says error for wireless request *Set ESSID* (8B1A) SET failed on device eth2 not such device not sure if I did it correct there, but that's what came back. Could it be the NetworkManager that is the problem here? John. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Simon Wears munkyju...@gmail.com http://MunkyJunky.com | http://Twitter.com/MunkyJunky MunkyJunky on irc.freenode.net -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Squid proxy box with serious IPv6 DNS problem...
Chaps... Over the last couple of days I've been trying to build a proxy box for a load of Windows PCs, using Squid on Ubuntu server 8.04. I've had a few problems with it due to the wild/wacky filtered internet connection we have there, but now I've hit a massive brick wall... Using an upstream proxy config Apt can get out to the internet fine, download and update the OS. However, Squid can't resolve any DNS loopups... it just fails a few minutes after loading. Doing a wget of a known file like the Google index page also fails with a unresolved DNS error. However, (after much much much reading) using the -4 option of wget, to force it to use IPv4, it works fine, resolves the Google address and downloads the index page and saves it. I've blacklisted the IPv6 service, but wget (and Squid) still doesn't work without the -4 option, so I guess bits of IPv6 are still hiding there somewhere My question is - How do I fix this bloomin' thing? I've been googling for hours with only the -4 option to show for it... and I really need to get this this working for Friday afternoon... Otherwise bad Windows things may happen... Cheers, Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid proxy box with serious IPv6 DNS problem...
I think from the description the squid thing is actually a red herring. (to mix a fishy metaphore). It sounds like your proxy server is not reliably resolving DNS when using IPV6. You will probably see this problem if you run firefox on the server. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/24828 not sure how you turned off IPV6, one way is to edit / /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and edit it to have this line: /alias net-pf-10 off ipv6 a better solution would be to fix the actual problem, one way might be to point your proxy at openDNS which works fine with v6. I suspect the DHCP server is pointing your box at a bad router for DNS queries. Alan. LeeGroups wrote: Chaps... Over the last couple of days I've been trying to build a proxy box for a load of Windows PCs, using Squid on Ubuntu server 8.04. I've had a few problems with it due to the wild/wacky filtered internet connection we have there, but now I've hit a massive brick wall... Using an upstream proxy config Apt can get out to the internet fine, download and update the OS. However, Squid can't resolve any DNS loopups... it just fails a few minutes after loading. Doing a wget of a known file like the Google index page also fails with a unresolved DNS error. However, (after much much much reading) using the -4 option of wget, to force it to use IPv4, it works fine, resolves the Google address and downloads the index page and saves it. I've blacklisted the IPv6 service, but wget (and Squid) still doesn't work without the -4 option, so I guess bits of IPv6 are still hiding there somewhere My question is - How do I fix this bloomin' thing? I've been googling for hours with only the -4 option to show for it... and I really need to get this this working for Friday afternoon... Otherwise bad Windows things may happen... Cheers, Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Squid proxy box with serious IPv6 DNS problem...
Alan, I'm actually using OpenDNS's servers (after using the ISP's), what I really don't understand is how Apt is working perfectly, but Squid and Wget don't... I saw that post before, it's what I used to supposedly turn off IPv6. I can't run FF on the server, no gui installed... Lee I think from the description the squid thing is actually a red herring. (to mix a fishy metaphore). It sounds like your proxy server is not reliably resolving DNS when using IPV6. You will probably see this problem if you run firefox on the server. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/24828 not sure how you turned off IPV6, one way is to edit / /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and edit it to have this line: /alias net-pf-10 off ipv6 a better solution would be to fix the actual problem, one way might be to point your proxy at openDNS which works fine with v6. I suspect the DHCP server is pointing your box at a bad router for DNS queries. Alan. LeeGroups wrote: Chaps... Over the last couple of days I've been trying to build a proxy box for a load of Windows PCs, using Squid on Ubuntu server 8.04. I've had a few problems with it due to the wild/wacky filtered internet connection we have there, but now I've hit a massive brick wall... Using an upstream proxy config Apt can get out to the internet fine, download and update the OS. However, Squid can't resolve any DNS loopups... it just fails a few minutes after loading. Doing a wget of a known file like the Google index page also fails with a unresolved DNS error. However, (after much much much reading) using the -4 option of wget, to force it to use IPv4, it works fine, resolves the Google address and downloads the index page and saves it. I've blacklisted the IPv6 service, but wget (and Squid) still doesn't work without the -4 option, so I guess bits of IPv6 are still hiding there somewhere My question is - How do I fix this bloomin' thing? I've been googling for hours with only the -4 option to show for it... and I really need to get this this working for Friday afternoon... Otherwise bad Windows things may happen... Cheers, Lee -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
