Re: [ubuntu-uk] (UK) Virginmedia mobile internet- Troubles with yahoo and google sign in using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle

[Jonathon Fernyhough]

2009/11/27 alan c :
> Question:
> If I change the MTU value, do you know if, if /when I change it back
> to its original value later, the system will properly revert to the
> original settings? That is, does anything irreversible happen
> according to MTU settings?
>
> Might be a strange question, but the laptop is not my own so I am
> trying to avoid doing stuff that I could not put back as it was.
>
> tia

The MTU change is non-persistent; when the connection is remade the
default setting is used (in most cases 1500). You can even try it with
your wireless if you want - just replace ppp0 with wlan0 (or similar).
As soon as you reconnect to the wireless network the setting goes back
to normal; you can check this with $ ifconfig.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (UK) Virginmedia mobile internet- Troubles with yahoo and google sign in using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle

[alan c]

Jonathon Fernyhough wrote:
> 2009/11/27 alan c :
>> Jonathon Fernyhough wrote:
>>> 2009/11/26 alan c :
 (also to ubuntu forum)

 Is anyone in UK using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle and yahoo or
 google accounts?
 I would be most interested to know if you see the following problems
 too. tia.

 Workaround - please see below.

>>>
>>> Have you tried lowering the MTU? This fixes problems on certain sites
>>> for me quite often.
>>>
>>> e.g..:
>>> $ sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1400
>>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> what does mtu stand for?
>>
>> also, I am not at all clear about how ppp0 is involved with a mobile
>> internet dongle, the machine (ppp0??) is self configuring for the
>> dongle. This of course may be part of the problem.
>> tia
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> 
> MTU = Maximum Transmissible Unit.
> 
> I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's something like: if this is set
> too high the connection can't be made as the packet can't be
> transmitted (though in theory it should just get fragmented). It may
> be that certain web servers/routers can't handle a fragmented packet
> (or it's set to deny/drop them).
> 
> ppp0 should be the connection set up to Vodafone - using
> NetworkManager with my 3 dongle ppp0 appears when I connect to the
> mobile network.

Thanks again Jonathon
I am feeling my way here.

Question:
If I change the MTU value, do you know if, if /when I change it back
to its original value later, the system will properly revert to the
original settings? That is, does anything irreversible happen
according to MTU settings?

Might be a strange question, but the laptop is not my own so I am
trying to avoid doing stuff that I could not put back as it was.

tia
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu tethering

[Michael G Fletcher]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:16 PM, javadayaz  wrote:
> where should i enter this?  Give it a fixed IP - like 10.0.0.1 or
> 192.168.0.1?
>

You should be able to set this in teh ipv4 settings, take it off auto (dhcp)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[Gordon Allott]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 11:53 +, Tony Travis wrote:
> 
> This extra processor can only be used by proprietary applications.
> Add 
> to this the announcement by IBM that it has stopped developing the
> Cell 
> processor and my interest in the PS3 has quickly evaporated!
> 
> http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/end-of-the-line-for-ibms-cell.ars
>  

just to note, they haven't given up on the technology, its sort of like
how intel stopped developing the pentium 4 when it made its "core" line
of cpu's. ibm are just focusing on its next generation of cell techology
based cpu's

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[Gordon Allott]

On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 11:22 +, Rob Beard wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm mulling over getting a PS3 for Christmas for the family, mainly for 
> Bluray playback, but also for the odd game or two.  Now I realise the 
> new PS3 Slimline doesn't support the 'Other OS' option, although I have 
> the option of getting one of the original PS3 consoles (a 40GB I think).
> 
> The thing that attracts me to getting one of the original PS3 consoles 
> is the fact that I can run Ubuntu on it.  However I'm wondering what is 
> like on there?
> 
> What I'd like to do is play HD video files and possibly a few emulators, 
> but I have read that when the PS3 is in 'Other OS' mode it limits the 
> graphics hardware and memory, so I'm wondering if I'd possibly be better 
> of getting a standalone Bluray player (which are now pretty cheap) and 
> also something like an Atom/ION based PC for media playback?
> 
> Is anyone on here running Ubuntu on the PS3?
> 
> Ta,
> 
> Rob

Some notes:

The PS3 already plays HD video files, you can access them via the
blu-ray drive, the internal (replaceable) hard-drive or via a media
server network connection (what i use, stream media files over wifi from
my home server). the PSN also has some old games available for download
that are played via an emulator.

Ubuntu on a ps3 is locked out basically from the blu-ray drive (because
you have to be able to decrypt the blu-ray disks) and the cell SPU's
(which means your stuck on a relatively slow ppc)

essentially the jist of it is that putting linux on a ps3 is fun to play
with but its not worth it for anything like a media centre which the ps3
does much better (my ps3 is my main media centre).

oh and be careful with blu-ray players, they may look cheep but chances
are they won't work with some newer blu-rays if the disk key's get
changed and it doesn't update, generally the ps3 is recommended as the
best blu-ray player out there from my more film buff friends.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[Paul Roach]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM,   wrote:

> A friend of mine tried installing both ubuntu and yellow dog on PS3, his
> plan was to play HD content from linux, but it couldn't handle it, and
> performence was way too slow (guessing it's because of the limitations sony
> have on Other OS option).

If it's a resource issue (and not a hardware restriction issue), maybe
a lightweight derivative such as Crunchbang might handle it
better.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[iam]

Hello, 


On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:48 AM, javadayaz  wrote:

Installing ubuntu on a ps3 or xbox360 sounds like a great way forward. I
would buy a console with ubuntu installed.

2009/11/27 Rob Beard 


javadayaz wrote:
> This sounds good
I'm not sure what to do though.  I mean at the moment I play HD stuff on
the wife's PC running Windows 7 which is plugged into the TV.  It's not
ideal (i.e. no remote, I have to use the mouse) but it works.

Now I want to get a Bluray player, and I was planning on building a HD
media centre PC (I had one previously but the motherboard died) and I
wondered if the original PS3 might be the best option.  Otherwise I
could look at using the old media centre PC case (it's a HP Pavilion
Slimline which is a MiniITX case but with an obscure power supply that
is specific to the HP board), but then I'd need a replacement
motherboard and PSU (I'm looking at nearly £140 for this).

Rob


A friend of mine tried installing both ubuntu and yellow dog on PS3, his plan 
was to play HD content from linux, but it couldn't handle it, and performence 
was way too slow (guessing it's because of the limitations sony have on Other 
OS option).



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] web / e-mail hosting

[mac]

Philip Stubbs wrote:
> ...If anybody is going to trust their deepest darkest secrets to an
> open postcard, then they are a fool.

The kind of data-mining that Google does on *everything* that you pass 
through their servers is not about logging our extra-marital affairs (if 
any!) or our carelessly revealed passwords or fanciful plans for taking 
over the world.  It's about extracting keywords, key phrase, addresses 
and other data in order to analyse social associations, interests, 
preferences, likely behaviour, and so on, for their own use or for 
selling on to others.  That's done on all the searches, documents, data 
files and e-mail addresses that pass through their servers (including 
the e-mails of all the people who post to you, even if they themselves 
are not googlemail account holders).

Data-mining is not just about the 'privacy' of the immediate content. 
And Google is a world-class data-miner.  If you're going to use *any* of 
their Web2.0 services, you have to understand this, and decide whether 
you personally find it acceptable.  I don't.  (And, in case you're 
wondering, I use scroogle for searches.)

Right.  I'm not going to post anything else about this.

But I am grateful to folk who - in the main topic of this thread - gave 
me good information about mail hosting services.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[Tony Travis]

Rob Beard wrote:
> [...]
> Is anyone on here running Ubuntu on the PS3?

Hello, Rob.

I was quite keen to run Ubuntu on a PS3 too until I found out about the 
*severe* memory constraints of this computer: The main CPU can only 
access 256MiB of the *maximum* 512MiB RAM that can be installed, but the 
GPU can access the other 256MiB. One of the 'Synergistic' processors is 
also permanently locked out, even if you use the TerraSoft/Fixstars YDL 
kernel:

   http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/ydl/

This extra processor can only be used by proprietary applications. Add 
to this the announcement by IBM that it has stopped developing the Cell 
processor and my interest in the PS3 has quickly evaporated!

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/end-of-the-line-for-ibms-cell.ars

HTH,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[javadayaz]

Installing ubuntu on a ps3 or xbox360 sounds like a great way forward. I
would buy a console with ubuntu installed.

2009/11/27 Rob Beard 

> javadayaz wrote:
> > This sounds good
> I'm not sure what to do though.  I mean at the moment I play HD stuff on
> the wife's PC running Windows 7 which is plugged into the TV.  It's not
> ideal (i.e. no remote, I have to use the mouse) but it works.
>
> Now I want to get a Bluray player, and I was planning on building a HD
> media centre PC (I had one previously but the motherboard died) and I
> wondered if the original PS3 might be the best option.  Otherwise I
> could look at using the old media centre PC case (it's a HP Pavilion
> Slimline which is a MiniITX case but with an obscure power supply that
> is specific to the HP board), but then I'd need a replacement
> motherboard and PSU (I'm looking at nearly £140 for this).
>
> Rob
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[Rob Beard]

javadayaz wrote:
> This sounds good
I'm not sure what to do though.  I mean at the moment I play HD stuff on 
the wife's PC running Windows 7 which is plugged into the TV.  It's not 
ideal (i.e. no remote, I have to use the mouse) but it works.

Now I want to get a Bluray player, and I was planning on building a HD 
media centre PC (I had one previously but the motherboard died) and I 
wondered if the original PS3 might be the best option.  Otherwise I 
could look at using the old media centre PC case (it's a HP Pavilion 
Slimline which is a MiniITX case but with an obscure power supply that 
is specific to the HP board), but then I'd need a replacement 
motherboard and PSU (I'm looking at nearly £140 for this).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[javadayaz]

This sounds good

2009/11/27 Rob Beard 

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm mulling over getting a PS3 for Christmas for the family, mainly for
> Bluray playback, but also for the odd game or two.  Now I realise the
> new PS3 Slimline doesn't support the 'Other OS' option, although I have
> the option of getting one of the original PS3 consoles (a 40GB I think).
>
> The thing that attracts me to getting one of the original PS3 consoles
> is the fact that I can run Ubuntu on it.  However I'm wondering what is
> like on there?
>
> What I'd like to do is play HD video files and possibly a few emulators,
> but I have read that when the PS3 is in 'Other OS' mode it limits the
> graphics hardware and memory, so I'm wondering if I'd possibly be better
> of getting a standalone Bluray player (which are now pretty cheap) and
> also something like an Atom/ION based PC for media playback?
>
> Is anyone on here running Ubuntu on the PS3?
>
> Ta,
>
> Rob
>
>
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on PS3?

[Rob Beard]

Hi folks,

I'm mulling over getting a PS3 for Christmas for the family, mainly for 
Bluray playback, but also for the odd game or two.  Now I realise the 
new PS3 Slimline doesn't support the 'Other OS' option, although I have 
the option of getting one of the original PS3 consoles (a 40GB I think).

The thing that attracts me to getting one of the original PS3 consoles 
is the fact that I can run Ubuntu on it.  However I'm wondering what is 
like on there?

What I'd like to do is play HD video files and possibly a few emulators, 
but I have read that when the PS3 is in 'Other OS' mode it limits the 
graphics hardware and memory, so I'm wondering if I'd possibly be better 
of getting a standalone Bluray player (which are now pretty cheap) and 
also something like an Atom/ION based PC for media playback?

Is anyone on here running Ubuntu on the PS3?

Ta,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (UK) Virginmedia mobile internet- Troubles with yahoo and google sign in using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle

[Jonathon Fernyhough]

2009/11/27 alan c :
> Jonathon Fernyhough wrote:
>> 2009/11/26 alan c :
>>> (also to ubuntu forum)
>>>
>>> Is anyone in UK using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle and yahoo or
>>> google accounts?
>>> I would be most interested to know if you see the following problems
>>> too. tia.
>>>
>>> Workaround - please see below.
>>>
>>
>> Have you tried lowering the MTU? This fixes problems on certain sites
>> for me quite often.
>>
>> e.g..:
>> $ sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1400
>>
>
> thanks
>
> what does mtu stand for?
>
> also, I am not at all clear about how ppp0 is involved with a mobile
> internet dongle, the machine (ppp0??) is self configuring for the
> dongle. This of course may be part of the problem.
> tia
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>

MTU = Maximum Transmissible Unit.

I'm not sure of the specifics, but it's something like: if this is set
too high the connection can't be made as the packet can't be
transmitted (though in theory it should just get fragmented). It may
be that certain web servers/routers can't handle a fragmented packet
(or it's set to deny/drop them).

ppp0 should be the connection set up to Vodafone - using
NetworkManager with my 3 dongle ppp0 appears when I connect to the
mobile network.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (UK) Virginmedia mobile internet- Troubles with yahoo and google sign in using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle

[alan c]

Jonathon Fernyhough wrote:
> 2009/11/26 alan c :
>> (also to ubuntu forum)
>>
>> Is anyone in UK using Virginmedia mobile internet dongle and yahoo or
>> google accounts?
>> I would be most interested to know if you see the following problems
>> too. tia.
>>
>> Workaround - please see below.
>>
> 
> Have you tried lowering the MTU? This fixes problems on certain sites
> for me quite often.
> 
> e.g..:
> $ sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1400
> 

thanks

what does mtu stand for?

also, I am not at all clear about how ppp0 is involved with a mobile
internet dongle, the machine (ppp0??) is self configuring for the
dongle. This of course may be part of the problem.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] vodafone- free internet

[Andrew Williams]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:10:07AM +, Stephen Garton wrote:
> I don't think it's wifi access they are offering, it mobile data
> (2G/3G). As the article says, most people who use the mobile web (i.e.
> Smartphone users) will already have an unlimited package. I know I do
> with my HTC Magic on Vodafone.
> 

I think its being misreported, from the T&Cs on their site[1]:

2. The Promotion is only available for browsing WAP sites on your mobile
(Eligible Data). Eligible Data usage during the Promotional Period will not 
count towards your normal daily or monthly usage allowances. 

3. Data accessed through Mobile Broadband, Mobile Broadband Via your Phone 
and / or BlackBerry email and internet is not eligible for the Promotion and 
will be charged at your standard rate during the Promotional Period. 

...

5. All data usage is subject to fair use limit of 25MB a day. If Vodafone 
believe your use is excessive, we may ask you to moderate your usage. If you 
then fail to do so, we reserve the right to charge you for the excessive 
element of your usage at your price plan's standard rate and/or remove you 
from the Promotion.

[1] http://promotions.vodafone.co.uk/freefridays/

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] web / e-mail hosting

[Philip Stubbs]

2009/11/26 Matt Wheeler :
> On Thursday, November 26, 2009, Philip Stubbs  wrote:
>> I hope you are wearing your foil hat right now
>
> While I do use gmail, I think it's important to consider carefully how
> much you trust them to keep your data secure. Have you read the gmail
> privacy policy? It basically says "we will not put up much of a fuss
> if someone asks for your data".
> Added to the fact that you are allowing them to store your data in the
> US, where data protection laws are not as broad as the UK's.
>
> Before you lump in the google-wary with the tin foil hat wearers,
> consider that a government would have a much easier time simply asking
> google for your thoughts than attempting to steal them through radio
> waves ;)

Easier still, they could just ask me! Of course you are right. You
need to trust those people who hold your data. However, I am still of
the opinion that any email is like an open postcard. If anybody is
going to trust their deepest darkest secrets to an open postcard, then
they are a fool. The same with email, even if it is hosted privately.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] vodafone- free internet

[Stephen Garton]

2009/11/27 javadayaz :
> hi,
> just to let all mobile users know that vodafone are offering free wifi
> todayhttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/27/vodafone_free_mobile_web/
> Hope you make the most of it...
> Although it would be nice if they told us where to find a vodafone wifi
> point i suppose!!1 :)
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I don't think it's wifi access they are offering, it mobile data
(2G/3G). As the article says, most people who use the mobile web (i.e.
Smartphone users) will already have an unlimited package. I know I do
with my HTC Magic on Vodafone.


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[ubuntu-uk] vodafone- free internet

[javadayaz]

hi,

just to let all mobile users know that vodafone are offering free wifi
todayhttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/27/vodafone_free_mobile_web/

Hope you
make the most of it...

Although it would be nice if they told us where to find a vodafone wifi
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