Re: [ubuntu-uk] sony camers files

2011-11-09 Thread Jon Reynolds 

On Wed, November 9, 2011 17:47, mac wrote:
> On 9 Nov 2011, at 11:36, "Jon Reynolds" 
> wrote:
> 
>> The problem I am thinking about is how to best manage storage of RAW and
>> JPEG... should I keep them all? Should I bin the RAWs after viewing the
>> JPEGs and deciding not to do anything with them, but then risk at a
>> later
>> date wishing I hadn't binned the RAWs... can't keep everything I
>> suppose... I have many Gb of photos just in JPEG. If I start duplicating
>> every one with a RAW as well, I would need far too much storage space I
>> think.
>
> Best practice is to process and archive the RAW files (which some people
> convert to DNG instead.)  Only produce JPG files for the specific purpose
> you need them for (as the compression - and therefore quality - will vary
> according to purpose).
>
> JPG is a lossy compressed format, and once discarded, the 'lost' data
> cannot be recovered for future re-editing. So archive the 'unspoilt'
> originals. (But do be ruthless about deleting rubbish!)
>
> Of course, if you don't ever want to be bothered editing your images, rely
> on your camera's software to do it for you, and just shoot JPGs.  ( But
> you do then rely on the software engineers' knowing how you want your
> photos to look.)
>
> mac
>
>
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Hi Mac,

Thanks for the insight... I am still a bit unsure what is best for me. I
love taking photos, usually its just of family, places we've been out etc,
and sometimes some photos for the sake of good photos. I would like to
increase my skills and feel that shooting in RAW is the best way to go to
allow for editing those few special photos that are worth it.

So far to date, I just shoot in JPEG direct from the camera and end up
with about 800Mb of photos to store in JPEG format every month. Most of
these will never require going to a RAW version for editing.

But I don't want to not use RAE at all as I feel I might miss out on
learning more about digital photography and never get to that place where
you are producing GOOD photos.

So I am contemplating shooting in RAW, doing a conversion on all RAW into
JPEG (ufraw-batch or something). Most of these JPEGs will be good enough
for the family shots. But then its a question of whether to keep all the
RAWs or go through the photos and decide which ones are worth keeping and
then bin the rest.

Just seems difficult and time consuming... I store all my photos online,
on my own personal web server. To store duplicates of all photos in RAW as
well would mean I would rapidly consume large amounts of space, space
which might end up being a waste as I might never go back to 99% of those
RAWs.

Maybe, I could store all the RAWs just locally on an external drive and
keep all my JPEGs online...

Decisions, decisions...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] help needed testing upstream kernel

2011-11-09 Thread alan c 
On 07/11/11 22:07, alan c wrote:
> Can somebody please offer some off list support to guide me through
> 'testing using the upstream kernel'?
> I found a bug re a particular webcam, which is being diagnosed, and I
> have been asked if I can test using the upstream kernel. There are
> some guidance notes, but I need help to get my head round it.
> I am willing to try, but not having done anything similar I want to
> avoid wasting lots of time or getting an invalid result.
> Thanks

Many thanks for the responses, I think I then managed to follow it up ok.
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[ubuntu-uk] help contact a French group near Nice?

2011-11-09 Thread alan c 
Anyone know or can you help with me making contact with an Ubuntu
local resource in or near Nice France?
I have a relative there and may  be able to set them up with a dual
boot system when I visit in a few weeks time. However, although it is
possible for me to do some support remotely, it would be invaluable to
be in contact with someone locally who could occasionally, if
important, take local action.
My French is mostly pants, so some English would be also quite useful...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost desktop not loading at startup

2011-11-09 Thread Tony Pursell 
On 9 November 2011 11:56, scoundrel50a  wrote:

>
> On 09/11/11 10:50, Colin Law wrote:
>
>> On 9 November 2011 10:15, 
>> scoundrel50a>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody know how to get your multiple desktops back, after all the
>>> problems
>>> I got over, i still can get my dultiple desktops back, the icon doesnt
>>> work,
>>>
>> This is apparently how to change the number of desktops (I have not
>> tried it), perhaps yours has got set to just one.
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/**showthread.php?t=1723321
>>
>> Colin
>>
>>  Yeh I did that, and it says I have 6 desktops, but the Icon wont work
> and I cant use them, just one window.
>
> John
>
>
> Just a thought, but can you navigate to them with keystrokes, i.e.
Ctrl-Alt-(arrow-keys)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] sony camers files

2011-11-09 Thread mac 
On 9 Nov 2011, at 11:36, "Jon Reynolds"  wrote:

> The problem I am thinking about is how to best manage storage of RAW and
> JPEG... should I keep them all? Should I bin the RAWs after viewing the
> JPEGs and deciding not to do anything with them, but then risk at a later
> date wishing I hadn't binned the RAWs... can't keep everything I
> suppose... I have many Gb of photos just in JPEG. If I start duplicating
> every one with a RAW as well, I would need far too much storage space I
> think.

Best practice is to process and archive the RAW files (which some people 
convert to DNG instead.)  Only produce JPG files for the specific purpose you 
need them for (as the compression - and therefore quality - will vary according 
to purpose). 

JPG is a lossy compressed format, and once discarded, the 'lost' data cannot be 
recovered for future re-editing. So archive the 'unspoilt' originals. (But do 
be ruthless about deleting rubbish!)

Of course, if you don't ever want to be bothered editing your images, rely on 
your camera's software to do it for you, and just shoot JPGs.  ( But you do 
then rely on the software engineers' knowing how you want your photos to look.)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Juan J. 
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:57 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> [...]
> > My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
> > replace it with a different client?
> 
> You could try polly which is quite a nice client.
> 
> https://launchpad.net/polly

Nice! I'm trying Hotot and so far it works perfect (although there's no
multiple twitter account support; no the end of the world).

Thanks for the pointer.

Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Lord (News) 

On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:


For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some "remains" (I
don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).


I've been using Hotot for ages now and I really like it as a Twitter 
client. It doesn't do much else though and, as you say, is not as well 
integrated. But for me on 10.10 Hotot is the best client I have used.


I'm sure that trying it out won't hurt. I doubt you will have to remove 
Gwibber for that; maybe just turn it off or something?


HTH

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Juan J. 
On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 11:38 +, Alan Bell wrote:
> On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.
> >
> > It's not only that has more bugs than the version shipped in 11.04
> > (which had bugs, but it was easier to not step over them), but the UI
> > and the functionality have changed and now it's useless for me (I want
> > the tabs back!).
> what are the bug numbers? Patches are welcome, bzr branch lp:gwibber and 
> have a play with it.

I wouldn't know where to start, it's a total mess :) It doesn't feel
like an upgrade but a downgrade (seriously, we are back to pre 1.0
functionality).

To be honest, I don't think Gwibber is worth the effort. That
application gets completely rebuilt every now and then, so any time
invested on it feels like wasted time to me. I can provide you bug
numbers for the 2.x series, that never got fixed because the application
was redesigned/rebuilt.

We had a mostly functional Twitter/Identica client before upgrading to
11.10, and now we don't. I don't choose the default applications that
get installed (even on upgrades) and I can live with that, but I'd love
that they work!

> > My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
> > replace it with a different client?
> you can certainly remove the gwibber accounts you have (or just leave 
> them), and add a different client, but some other clients might not be 
> as integrated.

It looks like the best solution: remove the accounts and set the gwibber
service to not start at login. Thanks for the tip!

Integration it's nice when you integrate something that actually
works :)

> > For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
> > can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some "remains" (I
> > don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).
> I really wouldn't bother getting rid of gwibber, doing that would 
> probably remove the ubuntu-desktop package, which isn't ideal long term 
> because it won't pull in any new packages on an upgrade without that.

I see. And the same thing happens with Banshee and Thunderbid (I don't
use any of them and both got installed after the upgrade, not happy).

Again, thanks for the tip!

Regards,

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[ubuntu-uk] anyone in Bristol / Avonmouth

2011-11-09 Thread paul sutton 
Hi

Just wondered if anyone (in that area) is going to the Rugby game in
Avonmouth on saturday,  I am up there with the Paignton First XV so we
may be able to have a brief chat during the game or something.

Paul

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Pope 

On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:

Hello,

I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.
The good news is that it's getting some love for 12.04. 12.04 is all 
about quality and stability. So gwibber should improve in this release.



My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
replace it with a different client?


You could try polly which is quite a nice client.

https://launchpad.net/polly

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost desktop not loading at startup

2011-11-09 Thread scoundrel50a 

On 09/11/11 10:50, Colin Law wrote:

On 9 November 2011 10:15, scoundrel50a  wrote:

Anybody know how to get your multiple desktops back, after all the problems
I got over, i still can get my dultiple desktops back, the icon doesnt work,

This is apparently how to change the number of desktops (I have not
tried it), perhaps yours has got set to just one.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1723321

Colin

Yeh I did that, and it says I have 6 desktops, but the Icon wont work 
and I cant use them, just one window.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Avi Greenbury 
"Juan J." Martínez wrote:

> My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
> replace it with a different client?

It depends on how you intend to replace it.

Generally, it's fine to just not configure (or deconfigure) it and use
something else. Many people have done this for years with Evolution, to
use some other mail client, and Empathy for a bit less to use Pidgin
instead.

You would lose the neater integration into the system that you'd get
with Gwibber, but you'd never normally get that with whichever
alternative you go for anyway - the alternative wont be hindered by
Gwibber's presence.


As for replacing Gwibber in the sense of removing the program and
putting something else in its place on-disk and in the notifiers and
the like, that's generally much less likely to work.


Have you filed/subscribed to relevant bugs for Gwibber?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Alan Bell 

On 09/11/11 11:23, Juan J. Martínez wrote:

Hello,

I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.

It's not only that has more bugs than the version shipped in 11.04
(which had bugs, but it was easier to not step over them), but the UI
and the functionality have changed and now it's useless for me (I want
the tabs back!).
what are the bug numbers? Patches are welcome, bzr branch lp:gwibber and 
have a play with it.


My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
replace it with a different client?
you can certainly remove the gwibber accounts you have (or just leave 
them), and add a different client, but some other clients might not be 
as integrated.


For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some "remains" (I
don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).
I really wouldn't bother getting rid of gwibber, doing that would 
probably remove the ubuntu-desktop package, which isn't ideal long term 
because it won't pull in any new packages on an upgrade without that.


Any comments will be welcome!

Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] sony camers files

2011-11-09 Thread Jon Reynolds 

On Thu, October 27, 2011 12:26, gerry wrote:

>> > On 26 October 2011 10:58, Sarah Chard 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> > my friend who uses Ubuntu and is a keen photographer has
>> > bought a new camera and is haveing problems with it - she says
>> >
>> > The camera i am using is the Sony a55 and i can't find any
>> > photo editor, gimp included that can process the  a55 files.
>> >
>> > can anyone help?
>> >
>> > Sarah
>> >
>> >
>> > What format are the images being saved as? If the camera is set to
>> > save images in RAW format then they will need to be processed into
>> > something else such as JPG or TIF She should be able to set  the
>> > camera to save images as JPG etc.
>> > Seoras
>> I suggested this but she needs to save them as RAW files so she gets
>> high quality images and good contrast - apparently saving them as jpegs
>> mean that she may get too much bleaching in certain images.
>> Sarah

>> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:27:34 +0100
>> From: mac 
>> To: UK Ubuntu Talk 
>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] sony camers files
>> Message-ID: <4ea7e096.2000...@gmx.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> On 26/10/2011 11:06, Alan Pope wrote:
>> > On 26 October 2011 10:58, Sarah Chard
>> wrote:
>> >>  The camera i am using is the Sony a55 and i can't find any photo
>> editor,
>> >>  gimp included that can process the  a55 files.
>> >
>> > They're probably RAW files. Gimp has a plugin for that called
>> > "gimp-ufraw" which can be installed via software centre.
>> >
>> > Also there's a package called "rawstudio" which can manipulate RAW
>> files.
>>
>> Not sure the Sony A55 is supported by UFRaw:
>>
>> http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/Cameras.html
>>
>> Looks like you may be able to use it if you install the latest version
>> of dcraw, which UFRaw uses.  See last comment here:
>>
>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1037&message=37616086&changemode=1
>>
>> mac
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I just started out using raw and I am just using ufraw-batch on the
command line to batch process all raw images into JPEGs, which are of
sufficient quality to be used for general use, e.g. just as a family photo
album, no professional stuff.

This way, if I like the look of some of them and think I could do
something better with this one or that one, I know I have a RAW version of
it available.

The problem I am thinking about is how to best manage storage of RAW and
JPEG... should I keep them all? Should I bin the RAWs after viewing the
JPEGs and deciding not to do anything with them, but then risk at a later
date wishing I hadn't binned the RAWs... can't keep everything I
suppose... I have many Gb of photos just in JPEG. If I start duplicating
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[ubuntu-uk] Gwibber 3.2.1 and Ubuntu 11.10

2011-11-09 Thread Juan J. 
Hello,

I'm very frustrated with the Gwibber version included in Ubuntu 11.10.

It's not only that has more bugs than the version shipped in 11.04
(which had bugs, but it was easier to not step over them), but the UI
and the functionality have changed and now it's useless for me (I want
the tabs back!).

My question is, being as integrated in Unity as it is, is it viable to
replace it with a different client?

For example, http://www.hotot.org/ looks great; but I don't know if I
can get rid of Gwibber cleanly or if there will be some "remains" (I
don't use Thunderbird, but I couldn't get rid of it in the indicator).

Any comments will be welcome!

Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost desktop not loading at startup

2011-11-09 Thread Colin Law 
On 9 November 2011 10:15, scoundrel50a  wrote:
> Anybody know how to get your multiple desktops back, after all the problems
> I got over, i still can get my dultiple desktops back, the icon doesnt work,

This is apparently how to change the number of desktops (I have not
tried it), perhaps yours has got set to just one.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1723321

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost desktop not loading at startup

2011-11-09 Thread scoundrel50a 
Anybody know how to get your multiple desktops back, after all the 
problems I got over, i still can get my dultiple desktops back, the icon 
doesnt work,


John

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