[ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers
Hi, You recall we talked about the hassle of having to re-install wireless drivers after every kernel update. I've noticed that neither of the Lenovo machines which I got from Linux Emporium suffers from this problem: they've both received multiple kernel updates. So I rang Linux Emporium to see if I could find out how they lock the wireless drivers in so effectively. What they said was that they use the Debian packages when converting the Lenovo machines to Ubuntu, and that these Debian packages contain the wherewithal to lock the wireless drivers in permanently. Does this make sense, and if so, could the relevant material be incorporated directly into Ubuntu? Rowan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers
Hello, I do believe this depends on the card in use, some drivers have slightly different conditions compared to others. I know for example some modules recompile themselves when the kernel is updated. I'm confident Linux Emporium choose devices that work exceptionally well with Linux (or specifically Debian-derived distributions). Kris On 23 April 2013 09:59, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You recall we talked about the hassle of having to re-install wireless drivers after every kernel update. I've noticed that neither of the Lenovo machines which I got from Linux Emporium suffers from this problem: they've both received multiple kernel updates. So I rang Linux Emporium to see if I could find out how they lock the wireless drivers in so effectively. What they said was that they use the Debian packages when converting the Lenovo machines to Ubuntu, and that these Debian packages contain the wherewithal to lock the wireless drivers in permanently. Does this make sense, and if so, could the relevant material be incorporated directly into Ubuntu? Rowan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Kris Douglas MBCS www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite critical bug? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
Hi, well that provoked a 'wtf' from the head of quality / testing. He is filing a bug. As you correctly state, this is an issue. I will post up the bug number once Nicholas has raised it. Please log onto to the system and click on the affects me portion to receive updates on its progress. Regards, Phill. On 23 April 2013 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite critical bug? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
I thought this was fixed, but see these couple bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/739184 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1085169 If you can confirm the new version linked (in a ppa, from bug reports) is working for you, you can help the developer push an SRU update. I hope this helps! Nicholas On 04/23/2013 01:26 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hi, well that provoked a 'wtf' from the head of quality / testing. He is filing a bug. As you correctly state, this is an issue. I will post up the bug number once Nicholas has raised it. Please log onto to the system and click on the affects me portion to receive updates on its progress. Regards, Phill. On 23 April 2013 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com mailto:lpro...@gmail.com wrote: So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite critical bug? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk mailto:lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com mailto:lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 tel:%2B44%2020-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 tel:%2B44%207939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
On 23 April 2013 18:26, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, well that provoked a 'wtf' from the head of quality / testing. He is filing a bug. As you correctly state, this is an issue. I will post up the bug number once Nicholas has raised it. Please log onto to the system and click on the affects me portion to receive updates on its progress. Is it not this bug, [1] which it appears is currently being worked on? Colin [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/739184 Regards, Phill. On 23 April 2013 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite critical bug? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers
Debian (and thus Ubuntu) has the feature of DKMS which allows a package to flag to apt that it needs reconfiguring after a kernel update. AFAIK, dpkg will run the configure step of installation again for those so-flagged packages to give them a chance to recompile any kernel interfaces. The nvidia and fglrx (amd/ati) drivers, for example, utilise DKMS to recompile their shim between the binary proprietary driver and the gpl kernel to allow them to get away with not licensing their driver under the GPL (rant away over this pseudo-gpl-violation, please! :-p). DKMS requires the package maintainer to jump through some hoops, but once that's done the end-user experience is vastly improved. On 23 April 2013 10:24, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I do believe this depends on the card in use, some drivers have slightly different conditions compared to others. I know for example some modules recompile themselves when the kernel is updated. I'm confident Linux Emporium choose devices that work exceptionally well with Linux (or specifically Debian-derived distributions). Kris On 23 April 2013 09:59, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You recall we talked about the hassle of having to re-install wireless drivers after every kernel update. I've noticed that neither of the Lenovo machines which I got from Linux Emporium suffers from this problem: they've both received multiple kernel updates. So I rang Linux Emporium to see if I could find out how they lock the wireless drivers in so effectively. What they said was that they use the Debian packages when converting the Lenovo machines to Ubuntu, and that these Debian packages contain the wherewithal to lock the wireless drivers in permanently. Does this make sense, and if so, could the relevant material be incorporated directly into Ubuntu? Rowan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Kris Douglas MBCS www.krisd.eu -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Daniel Llewellyn -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers
On 23/04/13 20:36, Daniel Llewellyn wrote: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) has the feature of DKMS which allows a package to flag to apt that it needs reconfiguring after a kernel update. AFAIK, dpkg will run the configure step of installation again for those so-flagged packages to give them a chance to recompile any kernel interfaces. The nvidia and fglrx (amd/ati) drivers, for example, utilise DKMS to recompile their shim between the binary proprietary driver and the gpl kernel to allow them to get away with not licensing their driver under the GPL (rant away over this pseudo-gpl-violation, please! :-p). DKMS requires the package maintainer to jump through some hoops, but once that's done the end-user experience is vastly improved. On 23 April 2013 10:24, Kris Douglas krisdoug...@gmail.com mailto:krisdoug...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I do believe this depends on the card in use, some drivers have slightly different conditions compared to others. I know for example some modules recompile themselves when the kernel is updated. I'm confident Linux Emporium choose devices that work exceptionally well with Linux (or specifically Debian-derived distributions). Kris On 23 April 2013 09:59, Rowan Berkeley rowan.berke...@gmail.com mailto:rowan.berke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You recall we talked about the hassle of having to re-install wireless drivers after every kernel update. I've noticed that neither of the Lenovo machines which I got from Linux Emporium suffers from this problem: they've both received multiple kernel updates. So I rang Linux Emporium to see if I could find out how they lock the wireless drivers in so effectively. What they said was that they use the Debian packages when converting the Lenovo machines to Ubuntu, and that these Debian packages contain the wherewithal to lock the wireless drivers in permanently. Does this make sense, and if so, could the relevant material be incorporated directly into Ubuntu? Rowan -- Daniel Llewellyn Ah, yes, DKMS again, that explains it. Now if only we could just have DKMS packaged up for automatic installation in the Synaptic package manager. As it is, you need quite a bit of savvy to install DKMS, more than I've got, for sure. :') Rowan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
I do not use libreoffice but for your advice... (18:10:22) balloons: tea time.. irish tea, but not milk.. don't hurt me! (18:11:22) phillw: slip a shot of whisky into it :) (18:11:25) phillw: So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus (18:11:25) phillw: still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. (18:11:25) phillw: This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. (18:11:25) phillw: Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite (18:11:25) phillw: critical bug? (18:11:52) ***balloons goes to check (18:11:54) phillw: do we have a test case for libre? it's not shipped by default in lubuntu (18:11:57) balloons: they were working for me (18:12:14) balloons: well wtf (18:12:36) balloons: this is like the precise libreoffice menu bug I found at the last minute (18:12:39) phillw: borked? (18:12:46) balloons: yea, borked (18:12:50) balloons: let me ping someone (18:13:10) balloons: do you have a bug for this/ (18:13:19) balloons: if not, please file and link me (18:13:24) phillw: one of the guys on ubuntu-uk mailing list just flagged it up (18:13:35) phillw: I don't have it installed (18:13:47) balloons: is there a bug listed? (18:14:08) phillw: He does not mention one. (18:14:43) phillw: So, maybe better you file it and I reply to him with the bug and tell him 'affects me' (18:15:14) phillw: I've no idea how 'bug savvy' he is, (18:15:28) balloons: kk (18:15:52) phillw: but a reply to all onto the ubuntu-uk mailing list should be able to get someone to confirm it :) (18:16:26) phillw: ***JUST** what we want 2 days before release day :( (18:53:40) balloons: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57104 (18:54:01) balloons: looks like this might be something bigger.. but it is apparently? known.. going to track bugs (18:54:28) balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/739184 (18:55:10) balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1085169 (18:59:35) balloons: I had seen this earlier, but apparently it came back (19:06:55) phillw: okies (19:24:36) phillw: is there a 'master' bug number I can send the OP (19:29:01) balloons: those are the master bugs (19:29:09) balloons: the 2 lp bugs (19:29:37) phillw: thanks, I'll let the guy know. (19:30:09) phillw: btw, what ails you? (what are you ill with)? (19:31:05) balloons: flu (19:31:07) balloons: :-( (19:31:43) phillw: yukkie :/ .. and thanks for replying to the OP :) I can only report an email bug to the quality team, in this case I asked the head. From here on, it is driven by teams not a part of QA/Testing. Regards, Phill, P.S. balloons is Nicholas On 23 April 2013 20:34, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 23 April 2013 18:26, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, well that provoked a 'wtf' from the head of quality / testing. He is filing a bug. As you correctly state, this is an issue. I will post up the bug number once Nicholas has raised it. Please log onto to the system and click on the affects me portion to receive updates on its progress. Is it not this bug, [1] which it appears is currently being worked on? Colin [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/739184 Regards, Phill. On 23 April 2013 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite critical bug? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers
On 2013-04-23 20:47, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Ah, yes, DKMS again, that explains it. Now if only we could just have DKMS packaged up for automatic installation in the Synaptic package manager. As it is, you need quite a bit of savvy to install DKMS, more than I've got, for sure. You mean, like this? sudo apt-get install dkms ;) Regards, Tyler -- Referring to obesity as a 'form of malnutrition' comes with no moral judgments attached, no belief system, no veiled insinuations of gluttony and sloth. It merely says that something is wrong with the food supply and it might behoove us to find out what. -- Gary Taubes, Why We Get Fat -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
On 23 April 2013 18:56, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote: I thought this was fixed, but see these couple bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/739184 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1085169 There is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1045353 basically the HUD does not work at all in LO Colin If you can confirm the new version linked (in a ppa, from bug reports) is working for you, you can help the developer push an SRU update. I hope this helps! Nicholas On 04/23/2013 01:26 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hi, well that provoked a 'wtf' from the head of quality / testing. He is filing a bug. As you correctly state, this is an issue. I will post up the bug number once Nicholas has raised it. Please log onto to the system and click on the affects me portion to receive updates on its progress. Regards, Phill. On 23 April 2013 18:05, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote: So I am now running beta 2 of Raring, I guess, and LibreOffice's menus still are completely inaccessible via the keyboard. This is a really serious problem. It renders the entire suite unusable for me. Is there any official way to draw more attention to this really quite critical bug? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Locking in the wireless drivers
On Apr 23, 2013 9:22 PM, Tyler J. Wagner ty...@tolaris.com wrote: On 2013-04-23 20:47, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Ah, yes, DKMS again, that explains it. Now if only we could just have DKMS packaged up for automatic installation in the Synaptic package manager. As it is, you need quite a bit of savvy to install DKMS, more than I've got, for sure. You mean, like this? sudo apt-get install dkms ;) No, that's not the solution. The package that contains the wireless driver needs to be changed by its maintainer to use DKMS to core with kernel changes. Sorry if I missed some sarcasm, but I don't think your answer helped the OP. Regards, Neil -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] London Release Event - Thursday
Hi all, the release of the Raring Ringtail is in a couple of days and we will be having the traditional London pub meetup with the Canonical team. This time it will be at the Old Thameside Inn, next to the Golden Hind from about 6:30 on Thursday evening. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/ There might be a Tshirt or two handed out as well if we are lucky http://shop.canonical.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=13.04+and+t-shirt Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] London Release Event - Thursday
On 23/04/13 22:17, Alan Bell wrote: the release of the Raring Ringtail is in a couple of days and we will be having the traditional London pub meetup with the Canonical team. This time it will be at the Old Thameside Inn, next to the Golden Hind from about 6:30 on Thursday evening. Hey guys I'd love to be there Just wondered if anyone has a floor to sleep on for the night? (not too far away). I don't want to have to get back on the train to Nottingham at some silly hour. Any offers? Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
On 23 April 2013 18:26, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, well that provoked a 'wtf' from the head of quality / testing. He is filing a bug. As you correctly state, this is an issue. I will post up the bug number once Nicholas has raised it. Please log onto to the system and click on the affects me portion to receive updates on its progress. I'm sorry, I should have named the outstanding Launchpad bugs. I was already subscribed to Bug #739184 and Bug #1085169. I have now subscribed to Bug #1064962 as well, but the description does not seem correct for me. It does not matter if I open a fresh copy of LO or double-click on a file let the program open. *Any* way I launch the program, the menus are inaccessible with the keyboard. Currently I am running Microsoft Word 97 under WINE so that I can use my machine! (Most of my work is writing.) I have not noticed any problem with keyboard menu access in any other apps, only LibreOffice. As per several comments with those bugs, this has been a problem in the past with the lo-menubar package and later with libreoffice-gtk - but if these were removed, one could use the menus, at the price of apps that didn't match the system theme. (On my netbook running Precise, remove libreoffice-gtk also makes dialog boxes much smaller so that they fit onto the 1024×768 screen, a beneficial side-effect.) But in Raring there is no GTK package to remove. I do not know of any other workaround. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LibreOffice menu problem remains
On 23 April 2013 21:40, Colin Law clan...@googlemail.com wrote: On 23 April 2013 18:56, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote: I thought this was fixed, but see these couple bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/739184 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1085169 There is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1045353 basically the HUD does not work at all in LO As someone who doesn't use the HUD, I'd forgotten this, but yes, this is also true. When in LibreOffice, the HUD command-entry bar appears, but the commands appear to be interpreted in the context of Nautilus, not LO. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
