Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 22:01 +, James Dalley wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 18:43 +0100, Chris Smith wrote: andylockran wrote: Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? I've had 4 in the space of a 2 weeks :) Turns out the PSU was toasted and was blowing each of the newly RMA'd boards up. Lesson learnt pay some money for a decent PSU because I've never lost a board after investing in a decent one. Chris slightly off the motherboard branch: just checked my system info, and it now says I have 1.9GB memory instead of 2! Definitely sending it back now... From what you have put on pastebin the problem seems to be with the first half of the second core(CPU3), which its throwing a fit about, also this cron job: Apr 17 13:09:01 farran-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[15286]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) it does'nt seem to like. Jai __ A prize an hour, 24 hours a day. Try Big Snap now! okay... that's interesting. Why would that be? Can it be fixed or do I need to RMA it or something? Cheers === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :-P attachment: smiley-10.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 18:43 +0100, Chris Smith wrote: andylockran wrote: Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? I've had 4 in the space of a 2 weeks :) Turns out the PSU was toasted and was blowing each of the newly RMA'd boards up. Lesson learnt pay some money for a decent PSU because I've never lost a board after investing in a decent one. Chris slightly off the motherboard branch: just checked my system info, and it now says I have 1.9GB memory instead of 2! Definitely sending it back now... From what you have put on pastebin the problem seems to be with the first half of the second core(CPU3), which its throwing a fit about, also this cron job: Apr 17 13:09:01 farran-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[15286]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) it does'nt seem to like. Jai A prize an hour, 24 hours a day. Try Big Snap now! okay... that's interesting. Why would that be? Can it be fixed or do I need to RMA it or something? Cheers With the way the an MB connects to the processor, I'd point to the MB before anything else. JAi _ Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspxattachment: smiley-10.png-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIB3WaauMjEM4rxIQRAljkAKCoy5SxdqrvUtYex0DNgJszSeUDYACfT4jQ aZV3+JO6o7sn4k4meaZnNSo= =phhm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:06 +0100, andylockran wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIB3WaauMjEM4rxIQRAljkAKCoy5SxdqrvUtYex0DNgJszSeUDYACfT4jQ aZV3+JO6o7sn4k4meaZnNSo= =phhm -END PGP SIGNATURE- not as far as I know - I'm only just getting to grips with the hardware side of computing. Is it obvious? Does the mb just not boot at all? === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
- Farran Lee wrote: not as far as I know - I'm only just getting to grips with the hardware side of computing. Is it obvious? Does the mb just not boot at all? I've seen it once, when the capacators fail on a motherboard, its pretty much useless. You can tell, by if they bulge at the top, and sometimes leak some brown/orange residue (DON'T TOUCH!) Apparently, there was some industrial sabotage a few years back (2000 ish I think) which affected a whole bunch of capacators used on motherboards... though this is quite rare... Johnathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:21 +0100, Johnathon Tinsley wrote: - Farran Lee wrote: not as far as I know - I'm only just getting to grips with the hardware side of computing. Is it obvious? Does the mb just not boot at all? I've seen it once, when the capacators fail on a motherboard, its pretty much useless. You can tell, by if they bulge at the top, and sometimes leak some brown/orange residue (DON'T TOUCH!) Apparently, there was some industrial sabotage a few years back (2000 ish I think) which affected a whole bunch of capacators used on motherboards... though this is quite rare... Johnathon I guess I'm fine then :/ === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
Farran Lee wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:06 +0100, andylockran wrote: So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? not as far as I know - I'm only just getting to grips with the hardware side of computing. Is it obvious? Does the mb just not boot at all? The main problem with motherboard failure is that, unless they really just don't boot at all, they're very difficult to spot. Typically I only diagnose motherboard failure if I've swapped out everything else for known-good spares, and still have a problem. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, if I rule out everything else, then whatever's left must be the problem. Really, though, I wonder if this is purely down to co-incidence (did swapping over the motherboard cause me to firmly plug-in something that wasn't firmly plugged in before?). Motherboards can fail in some surprisingly subtle ways, from the anecdotes I've heard. If it Just Doesn't Boot then you're relatively lucky, at least it's an easy case to RMA. With modern motherboards having graphics, LAN and the kitchen sink onboard, whilst being ever more cheap, I suppose the chance of failure is higher these days. My own good luck with motherboards may be down to the fact that I live in a rural area with a less than reliable electricity supply (especially during windy summer showers, when the leaves on the trees next to the electricity cable have grown both bushy and damp). Ergo I always, always use a UPS, so I never get spikes or dropouts, which are often the cause of fried motherboards. I have a fifteen-year-old APC PowerUPS 650. I've replaced the battery twice, and the onboard timer and battery charge meter died years ago, but for your average power cut, It Just Works. I just set apcupsd to shutdown gracefully after seven minutes on battery, and my hardware rarely fails. Plus, I get enough juice to override the auto-shutdown and continue working for half an hour if I need to. I also recommend software RAID1 hard drive arrays for riding out that one moment (and there is only ever one) when your nine-month-old daughter presses the UPS-instant-off button (now obscured with a 5p and some masking tape). -- Andrew Oakley -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:31 +0100, Andrew Oakley wrote: Farran Lee wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:06 +0100, andylockran wrote: So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? not as far as I know - I'm only just getting to grips with the hardware side of computing. Is it obvious? Does the mb just not boot at all? The main problem with motherboard failure is that, unless they really just don't boot at all, they're very difficult to spot. Typically I only diagnose motherboard failure if I've swapped out everything else for known-good spares, and still have a problem. To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, if I rule out everything else, then whatever's left must be the problem. Really, though, I wonder if this is purely down to co-incidence (did swapping over the motherboard cause me to firmly plug-in something that wasn't firmly plugged in before?). Motherboards can fail in some surprisingly subtle ways, from the anecdotes I've heard. If it Just Doesn't Boot then you're relatively lucky, at least it's an easy case to RMA. With modern motherboards having graphics, LAN and the kitchen sink onboard, whilst being ever more cheap, I suppose the chance of failure is higher these days. My own good luck with motherboards may be down to the fact that I live in a rural area with a less than reliable electricity supply (especially during windy summer showers, when the leaves on the trees next to the electricity cable have grown both bushy and damp). Ergo I always, always use a UPS, so I never get spikes or dropouts, which are often the cause of fried motherboards. I have a fifteen-year-old APC PowerUPS 650. I've replaced the battery twice, and the onboard timer and battery charge meter died years ago, but for your average power cut, It Just Works. I just set apcupsd to shutdown gracefully after seven minutes on battery, and my hardware rarely fails. Plus, I get enough juice to override the auto-shutdown and continue working for half an hour if I need to. I also recommend software RAID1 hard drive arrays for riding out that one moment (and there is only ever one) when your nine-month-old daughter presses the UPS-instant-off button (now obscured with a 5p and some masking tape). -- Andrew Oakley hehe I swear my sister (9 YEARS) would do that if she didn't know I was doing coursework... I mentioned earlier that lots of people had problems with my model mb, and it still didn't work after RMA, so I might have to pick a different one. If I did, would I have to completely reinstall the system? Or would it just need certain fixes? === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
Quoting Johnathon Tinsley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Farran Lee wrote: not as far as I know - I'm only just getting to grips with the hardware side of computing. Is it obvious? Does the mb just not boot at all? I've seen it once, when the capacators fail on a motherboard, its pretty much useless. You can tell, by if they bulge at the top, and sometimes leak some brown/orange residue (DON'T TOUCH!) Apparently, there was some industrial sabotage a few years back (2000 ish I think) which affected a whole bunch of capacators used on motherboards... though this is quite rare... Johnathon The Dell GX series suffer from the capacitor problem, and I think the motherboard is a dell proprietary one, so you basically have to buy a new machine. Most new boards don't use the older style liquid capacitors, so don't suffer from this problem. A dodgy PSU can kill a board, the voltage only needs to be a bit variable and it can break the whole lot. I have had a couple of boards go, but then I do have a lot of older stuff! Some motherboards are DOA, but this is rarer than it used to be. I have also killed a few from general clumsiness. A sure fire way of killing a motherboard is to think you have turned the laptop off, but forgetting that pressing the power button now brought up a dialouge asking what you wanted to do Then putting said laptop into its lovely warm padded case for the rest of the day, with its extended batteries in (It was a old dell with the two battery bays) with a reasonable amount of charge in both. Needless to say it was completely toasted, no power on at all. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
Farran Lee wrote: I mentioned earlier that lots of people had problems with my model mb, and it still didn't work after RMA, so I might have to pick a different one. If I did, would I have to completely reinstall the system? Or would it just need certain fixes? === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P When I swapped my motherboard, almost everything miraculously just worked. I did have to reconfigure my graphics card but that was all. Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:50 +0100, Thomas Ibbotson wrote: Farran Lee wrote: I mentioned earlier that lots of people had problems with my model mb, and it still didn't work after RMA, so I might have to pick a different one. If I did, would I have to completely reinstall the system? Or would it just need certain fixes? === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P When I swapped my motherboard, almost everything miraculously just worked. I did have to reconfigure my graphics card but that was all. Tom okay, so I definitely won't have to change anything? Somebody mentioned it somewhere... not here though. === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
Farran Lee wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 17:50 +0100, Thomas Ibbotson wrote: Farran Lee wrote: I mentioned earlier that lots of people had problems with my model mb, and it still didn't work after RMA, so I might have to pick a different one. If I did, would I have to completely reinstall the system? Or would it just need certain fixes? === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P When I swapped my motherboard, almost everything miraculously just worked. I did have to reconfigure my graphics card but that was all. Tom okay, so I definitely won't have to change anything? Somebody mentioned it somewhere... not here though. === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P I'm afraid I can't comment any further than it worked ok for me as I'm not really very experienced in these kind of things. I just went ahead and did it because I had no other choice as my computer wasn't booting with the other motherboard. Of course changing your motherboard is a fairly big operation and so there's obviously lots of potential for unseen changes to occur that might require you to reconfigure things. I doubt you'll have to reinstall from scratch though. Tom -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
Farran Lee wrote: okay, so I definitely won't have to change anything? Somebody mentioned it somewhere... not here though. I've changed totally CPU, Motherboard and chipset and still had Ubuntu booting first time. Windows however... Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
andylockran wrote: Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? I've had 4 in the space of a 2 weeks :) Turns out the PSU was toasted and was blowing each of the newly RMA'd boards up. Lesson learnt pay some money for a decent PSU because I've never lost a board after investing in a decent one. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 18:43 +0100, Chris Smith wrote: andylockran wrote: Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? I've had 4 in the space of a 2 weeks :) Turns out the PSU was toasted and was blowing each of the newly RMA'd boards up. Lesson learnt pay some money for a decent PSU because I've never lost a board after investing in a decent one. Chris slightly off the motherboard branch: just checked my system info, and it now says I have 1.9GB memory instead of 2! Definitely sending it back now... === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 21:29 +0100, Farran Lee wrote: slightly off the motherboard branch: just checked my system info, and it now says I have 1.9GB memory instead of 2! Definitely sending it back now... sysinfo doesn't report the correct size anyway, on my 768MB system it reports 757MB Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
Is it not just that its stealing a bit for the Graphics? I have had a mobo die on me, but it was my fault, I'd been using a 300W PSU on a dual-core system (too lazy to go buy a new one)... didnt stop me claiming a new one off the warrenty though ;]... though I did get round to getting a 600w PSU =D Oh, and theres something up with a board I happen to have by me, somethings overheating, (checked out RAM, PSU and CPU, and its not them) but since its a 800mhz system, I couldnt care less lol On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Farran Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 18:43 +0100, Chris Smith wrote: andylockran wrote: Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? I've had 4 in the space of a 2 weeks :) Turns out the PSU was toastedand was blowing each of the newly RMA'd boards up. Lesson learnt paysome money for a decent PSU because I've never lost a board afterinvesting in a decent one. Chris slightly off the motherboard branch: just checked my system info, and it now says I have 1.9GB memory instead of 2! Definitely sending it back now... === Farran Lee I'm only 15 :P -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/ -- Mr JE Grabham -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 18:43 +0100, Chris Smith wrote: andylockran wrote: Andrew Oakley wrote that he'd only had two motherboards die in the last 20 years. I've not been so lucky, putting down around 5 of my PCs failings to the motherboard dying (albeit through some kind of PSU surge in a couple of cases). So how common is it? Have you had a motherboard die on you? I've had 4 in the space of a 2 weeks :) Turns out the PSU was toasted and was blowing each of the newly RMA'd boards up. Lesson learnt pay some money for a decent PSU because I've never lost a board after investing in a decent one. Chris slightly off the motherboard branch: just checked my system info, and it now says I have 1.9GB memory instead of 2! Definitely sending it back now... From what you have put on pastebin the problem seems to be with the first half of the second core(CPU3), which its throwing a fit about, also this cron job: Apr 17 13:09:01 farran-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[15286]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) it does'nt seem to like. Jai _ Get Hotmail on your mobile. Text MSN to 63463 now! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Motherboards dying ( was:Re: possible to install ubuntu like gentoo?)
You still have your 2GB of RAM.Just gfx is stealing some of it, and probably putting it to better use.;) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.org/UKTeam/
